I opened a Yahoo Flicker Account to post my kitchen project pictures
to for the future.
I posted two Drawings of the blind cabinets, one with door fully open,
the other with the door fully closed. So you can see the freedom with
which one can access anything in it. I will be prototyping it this
week, small versions, and I already have several different options for
the sliding doors. I am going for the simplest with reliability rather
than the bullet proof one first. This way anyone can make it.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/shares/Hnp4i2
Please let me know what you think. I have also added an email account
to this, it's in the headers, just needs to be "cleaned" up to use.
On Thu, 12 May 2016 13:02:43 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/11/2016 6:10 PM, OFWW wrote:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/albums/72157665836697494
>>
>> I redid the Photo Flicker into a group, hope everything is easily
>> seen. I figure I can always go with the build and revert if need be,
>> at least in a dry assembly situation.
>>
>> Any ones comments welcome. Personally I am not 100% committed to this,
>> but pretty darn close.
>
>Very cool ... looking forward to keeping up with your progress.
Thank you, I think I going to get some slides today and start making
the guts of it, see how it works.
On 5/13/2016 11:36 AM, OFWW wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2016 13:02:43 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 5/11/2016 6:10 PM, OFWW wrote:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/albums/72157665836697494
>>>
>>> I redid the Photo Flicker into a group, hope everything is easily
>>> seen. I figure I can always go with the build and revert if need be,
>>> at least in a dry assembly situation.
>>>
>>> Any ones comments welcome. Personally I am not 100% committed to this,
>>> but pretty darn close.
>>
>> Very cool ... looking forward to keeping up with your progress.
>
> Thank you, I think I going to get some slides today and start making
> the guts of it, see how it works.
>
I have not been chiming in at all but will offer this.
If you have not already thought of doing this, mount the slides and
drawers in the cabinet before installation. Slides can be a Bitc_ to
install after the fact.
Keep us posted.
On 5/11/2016 12:33 AM, OFWW wrote:
> Slides are not scaled so look on the short side. I found the slides
> tonight and put them in. The guys name who designed them are in my
> drawings here.
The idea is not new, there are number of iterations of that concept.
From experience, you are likely going to find that it is has the same
inelegant drawbacks as other solutions for this age old problem of blind
corner cabinet access ... which all have two basic, important components:
... problematic installation issues: and clumsiness in actual use,
particularly when loaded with the type of pots/pans that naturally
migrate to that particular space.
Don't let me rain on your parade though, you should be encouraged to
make it work for your particular situation and what you want to do.
My "BTDT" experience, countless times with this particular problem, is,
as always, predicated primarily on cost/benefit and practicality, not
necessarily your situation. ;)
Not to say I won't be glad to offer input on some of the issues as you
progress in implementing.
Looking forward to hearing about your progress.
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On 5/9/2016 10:15 PM, OFWW wrote:
> I posted two Drawings of the blind cabinets, one with door fully open,
> the other with the door fully closed. So you can see the freedom with
> which one can access anything in it. I will be prototyping it this
> week, small versions, and I already have several different options for
> the sliding doors. I am going for the simplest with reliability rather
> than the bullet proof one first. This way anyone can make it.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/shares/Hnp4i2
>
> Please let me know what you think.
FF cabinets? .. what would be the RO if you went with traditional doors,
with a center stile wide enough to allow a conventional door to clear
the adjacent hardware to the right?
If the drawing is indeed the actual space, would be tempted to go with
something like this, instead of a sliding door for access to that corner
space:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopRozelleKitchenRefresh?noredirect=1#6089792205120220706
With door closed:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopRozelleKitchenRefresh?noredirect=1#6089787843490283154
The RO required for that lazy susan was exactly 14 5/8".
I would be very reluctant, having a great deal of experience in kitchen
cabinet design, fabrication and installation, to go the sliding door
situation providing I could design in the above 14 5/8" RO.
Blind corner base cabinets are a bitch, no one likes them because of the
obvious access issues. While there is no one magic bullet, and I've
installed most of the alternatives, women seem to always prefer the Lazy
Susan approach, particularly when buying a house, over the misery of no
attempt at making the hidden space both useable and accessible in some
manner besides a door of any type.
Just my tuppence ... as always, my opinion is worth what you paid for it. ;)
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On 5/11/2016 6:10 PM, OFWW wrote:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/albums/72157665836697494
>
> I redid the Photo Flicker into a group, hope everything is easily
> seen. I figure I can always go with the build and revert if need be,
> at least in a dry assembly situation.
>
> Any ones comments welcome. Personally I am not 100% committed to this,
> but pretty darn close.
Very cool ... looking forward to keeping up with your progress.
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On Fri, 13 May 2016 12:57:41 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/13/2016 11:36 AM, OFWW wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 13:02:43 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/11/2016 6:10 PM, OFWW wrote:
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/albums/72157665836697494
>>>>
>>>> I redid the Photo Flicker into a group, hope everything is easily
>>>> seen. I figure I can always go with the build and revert if need be,
>>>> at least in a dry assembly situation.
>>>>
>>>> Any ones comments welcome. Personally I am not 100% committed to this,
>>>> but pretty darn close.
>>>
>>> Very cool ... looking forward to keeping up with your progress.
>>
>> Thank you, I think I going to get some slides today and start making
>> the guts of it, see how it works.
>>
>
>I have not been chiming in at all but will offer this.
>
>If you have not already thought of doing this, mount the slides and
>drawers in the cabinet before installation. Slides can be a Bitc_ to
>install after the fact.
>
>Keep us posted.
Thanks for the heads up.
I just asked my wife again, giving her the options we have all been
discussing. She likes the drawings I last made, so that being the case
I might as well build the FF and the carcase, but before I do, I'll
make the framework for the slides, and make sure the slides all
operate as intended, just faking the drawers with cardboard. I cannot
see it failing, but I would like to be sure.
I charged up my camera's batteries. ;) DSLR.
On 5/10/2016 7:14 PM, John wrote:
> We had a blind base cabinet that was part of a peninsula dividing the
> kitchen from the dining room. So we had usable doors installed on both
> the kitchen and dining room sides (custom build). The blind cabinet just
> opens into the dining room housing the 'good' plates.
A cabinet which has access from two sides, as the one you discuss above,
is not a "blind" corner cabinet, and does exhibit the same access
limitations as the cabinet under discussion.
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On Wed, 11 May 2016 13:24:19 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/11/2016 12:43 PM, OFWW wrote:
>
>> I really have to thank you and Leon for pushing me on SketchUp.
>> I'll also be working on alternatives in my minds eye while drawing the
>> shelves. End result having a happy and satisfied wife.
>
>As I was taught in the Army many years ago: "The difference between
>mediocrity and supremacy is attention to detail".
>
>And in woodworking in particular, there is nothing like SketchUp to
>focus your attention on the details.
>
>Wife pleasing is good detail also ... ;)
Thanks,
Here are the drawings with the framework for the sliding shelves both
inside and outside of the cabinet.
The drawers have a low side for easy loading and unloading, A low side
flush with the shelves which exit the door opening, and also a low
side for when the normal shelves are slid out and the blind shelves
are slide across.
This would also serve for easy loading with the shelves behind the
doors removed. Hoping this all makes sense to you and everyone Who
looks at it.
I deleted two of the drawings without the framework for the shelves.
My Wife also liked your comment about inelegant, :), after her seeing
these drawings, (I had to explain to her what she was looking at.) She
still appears to want this style, with arched doors, Knowing that the
back doors are for things used less often, like for holidays and such.
I put in wood colors for clarity, and the "spacer" for the door you
can see is actually attached to the door, so it can do its function
when the door is closed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/albums/72157665836697494
I redid the Photo Flicker into a group, hope everything is easily
seen. I figure I can always go with the build and revert if need be,
at least in a dry assembly situation.
Any ones comments welcome. Personally I am not 100% committed to this,
but pretty darn close.
On 5/9/2016 11:15 PM, OFWW wrote:
> I opened a Yahoo Flicker Account to post my kitchen project pictures
> to for the future.
>
> I posted two Drawings of the blind cabinets, one with door fully open,
> the other with the door fully closed. So you can see the freedom with
> which one can access anything in it. I will be prototyping it this
> week, small versions, and I already have several different options for
> the sliding doors. I am going for the simplest with reliability rather
> than the bullet proof one first. This way anyone can make it.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/shares/Hnp4i2
>
> Please let me know what you think. I have also added an email account
> to this, it's in the headers, just needs to be "cleaned" up to use.
We had a blind base cabinet that was part of a peninsula dividing the
kitchen from the dining room. So we had usable doors installed on both
the kitchen and dining room sides (custom build). The blind cabinet just
opens into the dining room housing the 'good' plates.
Actually all the cabinets (lower and upper) have doors opening to both
rooms except the one blind one just accessible on the dining room side.
The drawers open into the kitchen. There are false drawer face plates on
the dining room side except the blind cabinet's drawer opens to the
dining room side and holds the 'good' silverware used for holidays.
The arrangement works well and looks great. Simple nickle knobs and
pulls along with hidden hinges compliment the setup.
John
On Tue, 10 May 2016 18:09:06 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/9/2016 10:15 PM, OFWW wrote:
>
>> I posted two Drawings of the blind cabinets, one with door fully open,
>> the other with the door fully closed. So you can see the freedom with
>> which one can access anything in it. I will be prototyping it this
>> week, small versions, and I already have several different options for
>> the sliding doors. I am going for the simplest with reliability rather
>> than the bullet proof one first. This way anyone can make it.
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/shares/Hnp4i2
>>
>> Please let me know what you think.
>
>FF cabinets? .. what would be the RO if you went with traditional doors,
>with a center stile wide enough to allow a conventional door to clear
>the adjacent hardware to the right?
>
>If the drawing is indeed the actual space, would be tempted to go with
>something like this, instead of a sliding door for access to that corner
>space:
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopRozelleKitchenRefresh?noredirect=1#6089792205120220706
>
>With door closed:
>
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopRozelleKitchenRefresh?noredirect=1#6089787843490283154
>
>The RO required for that lazy susan was exactly 14 5/8".
>
>I would be very reluctant, having a great deal of experience in kitchen
>cabinet design, fabrication and installation, to go the sliding door
>situation providing I could design in the above 14 5/8" RO.
>
>Blind corner base cabinets are a bitch, no one likes them because of the
>obvious access issues. While there is no one magic bullet, and I've
>installed most of the alternatives, women seem to always prefer the Lazy
>Susan approach, particularly when buying a house, over the misery of no
>attempt at making the hidden space both useable and accessible in some
>manner besides a door of any type.
>
>Just my tuppence ... as always, my opinion is worth what you paid for it. ;)
It is worth a lot more to me than what I paid. ;)
Here are some pictures I edited tonight all with the door open, but
showing under mount sliders for drawers. One with the slides
withdrawn, the other two extended.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/142513521@N05/26912317126/in/dateposted-public/
Slides are not scaled so look on the short side. I found the slides
tonight and put them in. The guys name who designed them are in my
drawings here.
Yes, these are ff's
The door openings are and actual 21+ inches, uninhibited.
I did some research on corner cabinets and Blind Cabinets with many
of the various options. Surprisingly most benefit very little as most
all of them only gained a slight amount of extra space. 2/3 rds of
total maximum space is usable. Some corner cabinets were only the
original 50% just configured differently.
When looking at them from that perspective it flat out appeared to be
money well wasted. LOL, and only if done like John described here as
also accessible from the opposite side of the cabinet was the space
not wasted. My Left cabinet in my original post is like he described,
and accessible on both sides, and so part of it is accessible on each
side.
Two cabinets are situated like this one, each a mirror image of the
other.
My wife was actually enthusiastic about this idea, but a portion of me
is leaning to abandoning the whole idea, and making the cabinet about
slightly larger, sealing the rest off on both sides of the kitchen.
The sliding doors, however, really appear to make a lot of sense,
especially given the ease of making them, as full inset in the ff. (I
would still make a prototype before the actual cabinet. to be sure.)
But if you wouldn't mind taking another look I would appreciate it.
The sliders I know how I could mount them in my minds eye, but I will
make a prototype for those also, since I have use for them in the
pantry cabinet drawers as well.
On Wed, 11 May 2016 10:27:07 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 5/11/2016 12:33 AM, OFWW wrote:
>
>> Slides are not scaled so look on the short side. I found the slides
>> tonight and put them in. The guys name who designed them are in my
>> drawings here.
>
>The idea is not new, there are number of iterations of that concept.
>
> From experience, you are likely going to find that it is has the same
>inelegant drawbacks as other solutions for this age old problem of blind
>corner cabinet access ... which all have two basic, important components:
>
> ... problematic installation issues: and clumsiness in actual use,
>particularly when loaded with the type of pots/pans that naturally
>migrate to that particular space.
>
>Don't let me rain on your parade though, you should be encouraged to
>make it work for your particular situation and what you want to do.
>
>My "BTDT" experience, countless times with this particular problem, is,
>as always, predicated primarily on cost/benefit and practicality, not
>necessarily your situation. ;)
>
>Not to say I won't be glad to offer input on some of the issues as you
>progress in implementing.
>
>Looking forward to hearing about your progress.
You hit the nail on the head with your choice of words, "inelegant". I
couldn't agree more when looking at it from the standpoint of the
bottom line.
But since "talk is cheap" meaning drawing it up and my time involved,
I am going to go ahead and finish the design with the shelves/drawers
for both halves.
The hidden half will just be for things very infrequently used, but
they will be out of sight, with the serviceable portion for every day
things and also easy access. Also keeping the items out of the Garage.
I'll post the link when done drawing.
I really have to thank you and Leon for pushing me on SketchUp.
I'll also be working on alternatives in my minds eye while drawing the
shelves. End result having a happy and satisfied wife.
On 5/11/2016 12:43 PM, OFWW wrote:
> I really have to thank you and Leon for pushing me on SketchUp.
> I'll also be working on alternatives in my minds eye while drawing the
> shelves. End result having a happy and satisfied wife.
As I was taught in the Army many years ago: "The difference between
mediocrity and supremacy is attention to detail".
And in woodworking in particular, there is nothing like SketchUp to
focus your attention on the details.
Wife pleasing is good detail also ... ;)
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