On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:52:34 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
>really love them for quick fixes in the shop. And what about the
>accelerator - is it really just acetone? Anyone have any info?
>
>Thanks.
>
>JP
No sources, etc.. just what I've heard/experienced:
According to most ads, all CA is the same formula, the difference is in
filtering of contaminants, or whatever..
Acetone (finger nail polish remover) is what I use to get CA off my fingers, so
I'd tend to think it's what CA solvent is, not accelerator...
mac
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Jay Pique <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Thanks for the replies. I have found that the newer the glue the
>better it adheres and hardens. I use quite a bit of it to repair
>small cracks and shingling in the reclaimed wood we use. Excellent
>stuff. Mostly used the FastCap brand, but I'm going to try some
>others.
>
>JP
I'm a turner and use 3 or 4 viscosities and both "normal", flexible and colored
CA..
I find that by storing the ones that I don't use often in the refrigerator, they
last MUCH longer..
mac
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Jay Pique <[email protected]> writes:
> I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
Fresh superglue works better than old SG. Keep it in the fridge for
up to six mos.
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CA is used in the RC Airplane hobby - a lot, and they recommend
storing CA glue in the freezer to keep it fresh. I am lucky to have
a "guy's fridge" in the shop, and the freezer section is perfect for
6-7 bottles of glue, including the opened ones. I get them from
Tower Hobby, on line. I thought I was the only one who used CA to
"fix" woodworking projects.
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> <cb350eda-f55c-4422-8a4b-1a52bec34d3f@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, Jay
> Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
>>really love them for quick fixes in the shop. And what about the
>>accelerator - is it really just acetone? Anyone have any info?
>
> Rockler's accelerator, at least, is not acetone. I checked on that a year
> or
> two back. All I can remember any more is that it's a fluorinated
> hydrocarbon
> of some sort, and that I found out what it is by Googling for the MSDS.
I seriously doubt that acetone is an accelerator, I use acetone to remove
Super Glue before it cures and after.
In article <cb350eda-f55c-4422-8a4b-1a52bec34d3f@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
>really love them for quick fixes in the shop. And what about the
>accelerator - is it really just acetone? Anyone have any info?
Rockler's accelerator, at least, is not acetone. I checked on that a year or
two back. All I can remember any more is that it's a fluorinated hydrocarbon
of some sort, and that I found out what it is by Googling for the MSDS.
In article <[email protected]>, "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I think the accelerator is trichloreythelene.
Not that either, I don't think, but it's chemically similar. Check the MSDS.
>
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>>> <cb350eda-f55c-4422-8a4b-1a52bec34d3f@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, Jay
>>> Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
>>>>really love them for quick fixes in the shop. And what about the
>>>>accelerator - is it really just acetone? Anyone have any info?
>>>
>>> Rockler's accelerator, at least, is not acetone. I checked on that a year
>>> or
>>> two back. All I can remember any more is that it's a fluorinated
>>> hydrocarbon
>>> of some sort, and that I found out what it is by Googling for the MSDS.
>>
>>
>> I seriously doubt that acetone is an accelerator, I use acetone to remove
>> Super Glue before it cures and after.
>>
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On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:13:52 -0700, mac davis wrote:
> I find that by storing the ones that I don't use often in the
> refrigerator, they last MUCH longer..
>
I can reinforce that opinion. I've had some work for almost 2 years now
because I keep it in the refrigerator on the top shelf next to the
freezer. Stored at room temperature my experience has been I'm lucky if
it lasts 6 months.
And the FastCap stuff seems to hold better and last longer than some
other brands I've tried.
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On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:12:06 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>rich wrote:
>> CA is used in the RC Airplane hobby - a lot, and they recommend
>> storing CA glue in the freezer to keep it fresh. I am lucky to have
>> a "guy's fridge" in the shop, and the freezer section is perfect for
>> 6-7 bottles of glue, including the opened ones. I get them from
>> Tower Hobby, on line. I thought I was the only one who used CA to
>> "fix" woodworking projects.
>
>I think you'll find that a lot of pen turners use it as a finish.
And a lot of pen turners get paper towels glued to their fingers, too.. DAMHIKT
mac
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On Jun 18, 7:52=A0pm, Jay Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? =A0I
> really love them for quick fixes in the shop. =A0And what about the
> accelerator - is it really just acetone? =A0Anyone have any info?
>
> Thanks.
>
> JP
From Wikipedia article:
=93=85 Generally, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin which rapidly
polymerises in the presence of water (specifically hydroxide ions),
forming long, strong chains, joining the bonded surfaces together.
Because the presence of moisture causes the glue to set, exposure to
moisture in the air can cause a tube or bottle of glue to become
unusable over time. To prevent an opened container of glue from
setting before use, it must be stored in an airtight jar or bottle
with a package of silica gel. =85=94
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate
I think the accelerator is trichloreythelene.
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>> <cb350eda-f55c-4422-8a4b-1a52bec34d3f@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, Jay
>> Pique <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
>>>really love them for quick fixes in the shop. And what about the
>>>accelerator - is it really just acetone? Anyone have any info?
>>
>> Rockler's accelerator, at least, is not acetone. I checked on that a year
>> or
>> two back. All I can remember any more is that it's a fluorinated
>> hydrocarbon
>> of some sort, and that I found out what it is by Googling for the MSDS.
>
>
> I seriously doubt that acetone is an accelerator, I use acetone to remove
> Super Glue before it cures and after.
>
>
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rich wrote:
> CA is used in the RC Airplane hobby - a lot, and they recommend
> storing CA glue in the freezer to keep it fresh. I am lucky to have
> a "guy's fridge" in the shop, and the freezer section is perfect for
> 6-7 bottles of glue, including the opened ones. I get them from
> Tower Hobby, on line. I thought I was the only one who used CA to
> "fix" woodworking projects.
I think you'll find that a lot of pen turners use it as a finish.
On 2009-06-20, J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> rich wrote:
>> CA is used in the RC Airplane hobby - a lot, and they recommend
>> storing CA glue in the freezer to keep it fresh. I am lucky to have
>> a "guy's fridge" in the shop, and the freezer section is perfect for
>> 6-7 bottles of glue, including the opened ones. I get them from
>> Tower Hobby, on line. I thought I was the only one who used CA to
>> "fix" woodworking projects.
>
> I think you'll find that a lot of pen turners use it as a finish.
And knifemakers too. It is really good finish for kitchen knives.
If you are careful you can fix small cracks too and turn unusable
wood into pretty nice handles.
There are several chemical compositions, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanoacrylate
I would liko to get hold to the medical cyanoacrylate, very handy
treating blisters in feets.
seismo malm
I apologize in advance for not speculating or going off on
a tangent. I'll try to do better next time.
The active ingredient in the accelllerator appears to be
N, N-Dimethyl-P-Toluidine.
Acetone appears to be the filler/carrier and heptane the
propellant for aerosol versions.
Sources:
http://www.accumetricinc.com/dynatex/PDF/DYN40002.pdf
http://www.saftlok.com/stl/msds/accelerator.htm
http://www.loctite-loctite.com/template/ying/pdf/docs/FT-HHA-EN.PDF
Art
"Jay Pique" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cb350eda-f55c-4422-8a4b-1a52bec34d3f@q37g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> I'm curious about superglues - are they pretty much all the same? I
> really love them for quick fixes in the shop. And what about the
> accelerator - is it really just acetone? Anyone have any info?
>
> Thanks.
>
> JP
On Jun 18, 10:15=A0pm, "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I apologize in advance for not speculating or going off on
> a tangent. =A0I'll try to do better next time.
Shame on you! Quite trying to start trouble around here, OK?
You can make up for this error by starting a political commentary
thread, one like the troll post that I believe is closing in on 450
replies.
How do you get that kind of attention in a woodworking group when as
the OP, you have posted exactly two messages under the listed nom de
plum?
EASY! Just mention liberals, conservatives, Demos, Republicans, Bush
or Obama. Lotsa hungry guppies here.
Back on topic, my personal experience leads me to believe that there
are differences in quality of CA glues. I use CA to fill little holes
or tiny divots under clear or semi gloss finishes when finishing
wood. I used bottle after bottle when I was on a pen turning jag, and
then more when adhering cracks when turning green wood.
It seems the less expensive stuff doesn't hold all that well, but most
importantly doesn't have a good shelf life when opened. The best
stuff I found that personally meets my needs is either from Smith
Industries, or the "Hot Stuff" brand of CA they sell at Woodcraft or
on the 'net.
Both adhere well, and have great shelf life. WC even sell replacement
spouts for the HS brand of glue bottles if you get a clog or dried
spot blocking the flow so you can usually use most or all of the
bottle.
Robert
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It seems the less expensive stuff doesn't hold all that well, but most
importantly doesn't have a good shelf life when opened. The best
stuff I found that personally meets my needs is either from Smith
Industries, or the "Hot Stuff" brand of CA they sell at Woodcraft or
on the 'net.
Both adhere well, and have great shelf life. WC even sell replacement
spouts for the HS brand of glue bottles if you get a clog or dried
spot blocking the flow so you can usually use most or all of the
bottle.
Robert
FWIW and you probably already know this. About 12 years ago I had a project
that required a SuperGlue, I bought Maxi-Cure brand. When I started turning
pens about 1 year ago I bought a couple of bottles of Hot Stuff, thin and
thick. The Hot Stuff hardened in the bottle after about 1 year, I kept it
out in my garage/shop tool chest. The MaxiCure was still good last year, I
keep it in the refrigerator when not in use for 11 years. My wife used the
old bottle of glue to reglue her nails. Long ago I read that keeping the
super glues in the refrigerator extends their shelf life. I now have a
bottle of TiteBond super glue in the refrigerator.
"Angela Sekeris" wrote:
============================
A chemical engineer from Eastman Chemicals in Rochester NY told me,
back in 1985, that Eastman was the sole manufacturer of all things
cyanoacrylate. Period. Three different viscosities, 901, 903 and 90?.
The rest was a packaging game played better by some, not so well by
others.
There may be more places that make the actual compound these days.
======================================
Probably 910 which is the one I was introduced to in the mid 60's.
Back then, Eastman was it, $10/OZ was the price.
Lew
On Jun 19, 12:30=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Jun 18, 10:15=A0pm, "Artemus" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I apologize in advance for not speculating or going off on
> > a tangent. =A0I'll try to do better next time.
>
> Shame on you! =A0Quite trying to start trouble around here, OK?
>
> You can make up for this error by starting a political commentary
> thread, one like the troll post that I believe is closing in on 450
> replies.
>
> How do you get that kind of attention in a woodworking group when as
> the OP, you have posted exactly two messages under the listed nom de
> plum?
>
> EASY! =A0Just mention liberals, conservatives, Demos, Republicans, Bush
> or Obama. =A0Lotsa hungry guppies here.
>
> Back on topic, my personal experience leads me to believe that there
> are differences in quality of CA glues. =A0I use CA to fill little holes
> or tiny divots under clear or semi gloss finishes when finishing
> wood. =A0I used bottle after bottle when I was on a pen turning jag, and
> then more when adhering cracks when turning green wood.
>
> It seems the less expensive stuff doesn't hold all that well, but most
> importantly doesn't =A0have a good shelf life when opened. =A0The best
> stuff I found that personally meets my needs is either from Smith
> Industries, or the "Hot Stuff" brand of CA they sell at Woodcraft or
> on the 'net.
>
> Both adhere well, and have great shelf life. =A0WC even sell replacement
> spouts for the HS brand of glue bottles if you get a clog or dried
> spot blocking the flow so you can usually use most or all of the
> bottle.
>
> Robert
A chemical engineer from Eastman Chemicals in Rochester NY told me,
back in 1985, that Eastman was the sole manufacturer of all things
cyanoacrylate. Period. Three different viscosities, 901, 903 and 90?.
The rest was a packaging game played better by some, not so well by
others.
There may be more places that make the actual compound these days.