By any bizarre chance did anyone else tape the New Yankee Workshop
espisode on July 17(?) about the Table Saw station? I swore up and
down I was going to save that episode, and, of course, my 4 year old
learned the VERY NEXT WEEK how to get into the menu system of our
satelite tv and taped right over it... argh... Anyway, if by some
incredible luck on one of you taped or tivo'd it and are willing to
work out a way for me to get a copy from you, I'd sure appreciate it.
I'm sure I could biuld it without a tape or plans, it's only there
where a number of little things on the tape I was really interested
in keeping.
Thanks in advance,
Dell
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 01:16:49 GMT, "NoOne N Particular"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal. Copyright
>infringement and all that rot.
Is it even a crime anymore?
JP
>"Dell Moore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> By any bizarre chance did anyone else tape the New Yankee Workshop
>> espisode on July 17(?) about the Table Saw station? I swore up and
>> down I was going to save that episode, and, of course, my 4 year old
>> learned the VERY NEXT WEEK how to get into the menu system of our
>> satelite tv and taped right over it... argh... Anyway, if by some
>> incredible luck on one of you taped or tivo'd it and are willing to
>> work out a way for me to get a copy from you, I'd sure appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm sure I could biuld it without a tape or plans, it's only there
>> where a number of little things on the tape I was really interested
>> in keeping.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Dell
>
NoOne N Particular wrote:
> Copies are for "personal use only". That doesn't mean that you can give
> your personal copy to someone else. But you are right. This would be a
> very trivial infraction in today's world and would almost certainly not be
> prosecuted. I was just making a point.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> "Jonathan Ward" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>> > You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal. Copyright
>> > infringement and all that rot.
>>
>> Well he DID record it for his personal use, which is legal. Its just
>> that his copy was destroyed. I think this is a case where the law is a
>> little sketchy. It probably is technically illegal, but I don't think
>> WGBH would sue anyone who let their friends borrow their tapes.
>>
>> -Jonathan Ward
I think it's ok as long as there is no money exchanged
You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal. Copyright
infringement and all that rot.
Wayne
"Dell Moore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> By any bizarre chance did anyone else tape the New Yankee Workshop
> espisode on July 17(?) about the Table Saw station? I swore up and
> down I was going to save that episode, and, of course, my 4 year old
> learned the VERY NEXT WEEK how to get into the menu system of our
> satelite tv and taped right over it... argh... Anyway, if by some
> incredible luck on one of you taped or tivo'd it and are willing to
> work out a way for me to get a copy from you, I'd sure appreciate it.
>
> I'm sure I could biuld it without a tape or plans, it's only there
> where a number of little things on the tape I was really interested
> in keeping.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Dell
I am by no means a lawyer. But I watch a lot of it on TV. :-)
So here's my takes on it:
For software, you can buy software and use it, give it away, sell it,
whatever, as long as you giver/seller uninstall it from your computer and no
longer retain any copies of said materials. You can, however, keep any data
files that were created.
For entertainment products (TV, music, DVDs, etc), it's a little different.
You can record anything off of TV, make backup copies of music CDs, VHS,
DVDs for personal use only. If you no longer want the item, you can give
(not sell) it to anyone for their personal use as long as you are not
keeping a copy for yourself.
One odd thing, though.
I have a side business of transferring home movies/videos to DVD. I spoke to
a copyright attorney. I was told that a customer can legally hire me to
transfer most any copyrighted material from video tape to DVD for their
personal use. For instance, to make a DVD backup copy of a VHS movie that
they bought. I am good legally because I wa only hired in the capacity of a
transfer service and the original VHS was legally bought by the customer and
the DVD copy was for that customer's personal use.
It's a crazy world. Somebody oughta sell tickets. Heck, I'd buy one.
codepath
NoOne N Particular wrote:
> "Richard Clements" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>>
>>> Copies are for "personal use only". That doesn't mean that you can
>>> give your personal copy to someone else. But you are right. This
>>> would be a very trivial infraction in today's world and would
>>> almost certainly not be prosecuted. I was just making a point.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jonathan Ward" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>>>>> You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal.
>>>>> Copyright infringement and all that rot.
>>>>
>>>> Well he DID record it for his personal use, which is legal. Its
>>>> just that his copy was destroyed. I think this is a case where the
>>>> law is a little sketchy. It probably is technically illegal, but I
>>>> don't think WGBH would sue anyone who let their friends borrow
>>>> their tapes.
>>>>
>>>> -Jonathan Ward
>>
>> I think it's ok as long as there is no money exchanged
>
> Technically, I think that would still be a violation of copyright.
> Giving a copy away is no longer personal use. If you buy a copy of a
> computer program and give a copy to your friend, that is definitely a
> violation. Same thing.
>
> Wayne
Copies are for "personal use only". That doesn't mean that you can give
your personal copy to someone else. But you are right. This would be a
very trivial infraction in today's world and would almost certainly not be
prosecuted. I was just making a point.
Wayne
"Jonathan Ward" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NoOne N Particular wrote:
> > You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal. Copyright
> > infringement and all that rot.
>
> Well he DID record it for his personal use, which is legal. Its just
> that his copy was destroyed. I think this is a case where the law is a
> little sketchy. It probably is technically illegal, but I don't think
> WGBH would sue anyone who let their friends borrow their tapes.
>
> -Jonathan Ward
"codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:FCiSc.285941$XM6.39371@attbi_s53:
> I am by no means a lawyer. But I watch a lot of it on TV. :-)
>
> So here's my takes on it:
>
> For software, you can buy software and use it, give it away, sell it,
> whatever, as long as you giver/seller uninstall it from your computer
> and no longer retain any copies of said materials. You can, however,
> keep any data files that were created.
>
> For entertainment products (TV, music, DVDs, etc), it's a little
> different. You can record anything off of TV, make backup copies of
> music CDs, VHS, DVDs for personal use only. If you no longer want the
> item, you can give (not sell) it to anyone for their personal use as
> long as you are not keeping a copy for yourself.
>
> One odd thing, though.
>
> I have a side business of transferring home movies/videos to DVD. I
> spoke to a copyright attorney. I was told that a customer can legally
> hire me to transfer most any copyrighted material from video tape to
> DVD for their personal use. For instance, to make a DVD backup copy of
> a VHS movie that they bought. I am good legally because I wa only
> hired in the capacity of a transfer service and the original VHS was
> legally bought by the customer and the DVD copy was for that
> customer's personal use.
>
> It's a crazy world. Somebody oughta sell tickets. Heck, I'd buy one.
>
>
> codepath
>
>
>
> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>> "Richard Clements" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>>>
>>>> Copies are for "personal use only". That doesn't mean that you can
>>>> give your personal copy to someone else. But you are right. This
>>>> would be a very trivial infraction in today's world and would
>>>> almost certainly not be prosecuted. I was just making a point.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jonathan Ward" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>>>>>> You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal.
>>>>>> Copyright infringement and all that rot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well he DID record it for his personal use, which is legal. Its
>>>>> just that his copy was destroyed. I think this is a case where the
>>>>> law is a little sketchy. It probably is technically illegal, but I
>>>>> don't think WGBH would sue anyone who let their friends borrow
>>>>> their tapes.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jonathan Ward
>>>
>>> I think it's ok as long as there is no money exchanged
>>
>> Technically, I think that would still be a violation of copyright.
>> Giving a copy away is no longer personal use. If you buy a copy of a
>> computer program and give a copy to your friend, that is definitely a
>> violation. Same thing.
>>
>> Wayne
>
>
>
Not exactly accurate. Most media, computer software being the exception,
is subject to the first sale doctrine. Basically it says that you can
resell that which you have purchased, provided you do not keep a copy.
Used book, record, video game etc stores could not exist otherwise.
More complete info can be found here
http://www.lib.ncsu.edu/scc/tutorial/basics2a.html
NoOne N Particular wrote:
> You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal. Copyright
> infringement and all that rot.
Well he DID record it for his personal use, which is legal. Its just
that his copy was destroyed. I think this is a case where the law is a
little sketchy. It probably is technically illegal, but I don't think
WGBH would sue anyone who let their friends borrow their tapes.
-Jonathan Ward
"Dell Moore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> By any bizarre chance did anyone else tape the New Yankee Workshop
> espisode on July 17(?) about the Table Saw station? I swore up and
> down I was going to save that episode, and, of course, my 4 year old
You're not asking about the version with the outfeed table with releasable
castors are you? If that's what you're looking for, then I have it on my
PVR. hard drive.
"Richard Clements" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> NoOne N Particular wrote:
>
> > Copies are for "personal use only". That doesn't mean that you can give
> > your personal copy to someone else. But you are right. This would be a
> > very trivial infraction in today's world and would almost certainly not
be
> > prosecuted. I was just making a point.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jonathan Ward" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> NoOne N Particular wrote:
> >> > You do realize that what you are asking is probably illegal.
Copyright
> >> > infringement and all that rot.
> >>
> >> Well he DID record it for his personal use, which is legal. Its just
> >> that his copy was destroyed. I think this is a case where the law is a
> >> little sketchy. It probably is technically illegal, but I don't think
> >> WGBH would sue anyone who let their friends borrow their tapes.
> >>
> >> -Jonathan Ward
>
> I think it's ok as long as there is no money exchanged
Technically, I think that would still be a violation of copyright. Giving a
copy away is no longer personal use. If you buy a copy of a computer
program and give a copy to your friend, that is definitely a violation.
Same thing.
Wayne
"Dell Moore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> By any bizarre chance did anyone else tape the New Yankee Workshop
> espisode on July 17(?) about the Table Saw station? I swore up and
> down I was going to save that episode, and, of course, my 4 year old
> learned the VERY NEXT WEEK how to get into the menu system of our
> satelite tv and taped right over it... argh... Anyway, if by some
> incredible luck on one of you taped or tivo'd it and are willing to
> work out a way for me to get a copy from you, I'd sure appreciate it.
>
> I'm sure I could biuld it without a tape or plans, it's only there
> where a number of little things on the tape I was really interested
> in keeping.
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