On Sep 19, 2:05=A0pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
er smooth ceiling, not flat.
On Sep 19, 4:21=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 9/19/10 4:08 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
>
> > On Sep 19, 3:40 pm, "Ed Pawlowski"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> "GarageWoodworks"<[email protected]> =A0wrote in message
>
> >>news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com.=
..
>
> >>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> >> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. =A0Crown molding is an eleg=
ant
> >> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those =
little
> >> bubbles on it.
>
> >> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. =A0Worth the effort.
>
> > Sounds very appealing. =A0And messy. =A0 I need to give this serious
> > thought.
>
> Rip down any put up new drywall, start fresh.
>
I completely agree. BTDT a dozen or more times. One house I bought had
stalactites 3-5" long hanging from the dining room ceiling. Just
awful. Brought out my Gransfors, one guy carrying slabs out, then two
of us new drywall on the ceiling. Done in a day, not including mud.
Another had popcorn and I sprayed it with an airless, looked good and
fresh....a month later, I tore it down too.
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Sounds very appealing. And messy. I need to give this serious
> thought.
Plan on about 8 to 10 man hours per 100 square feet. That is if you are
fast.
Jim in NC
On Sep 19, 2:14=A0pm, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> =A0 =A0 Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the wal=
l.
> Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
> Believe me, I've been there.
>
> Dave in Houston
I can see myself scraping too much in areas and having gaps. ?
On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:25:25 -0700, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>GarageWoodworks wrote:
>
>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
>
>I do this all the time. Mix some water and dish soap or vinegar in a garden
>sprayer and wet the ceiling well, let it penetrate the popcorn then scrape
>with a wide drywall blade. Repair any damaged areas and the taped joints.
>The drywallers don't spend much time making ceiling right when they know
>popcorn will be applied. I then clean ceiling with a wet sponge and spray a
>light texture on it, prime and paint.....
>
>Try this method using vinegar. It only works on ceiling that haven't been
>painted...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74rr71tZN8U
Awesome! Love it.
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"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those
> little bubbles on it.
>
> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
Between 'wipe wet' and 'prime' I would add 'skim float and sand (or
sponge).'
Dave in Houston
On Sep 19, 4:08=A0pm, GarageWoodworks <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sep 19, 2:14=A0pm, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com..=
.
>
> > > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> > =A0 =A0 Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the w=
all.
> > Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
> > Believe me, I've been there.
>
> > Dave in Houston
>
> I can see myself scraping too much in areas and having gaps. =A0?
Scraping off _too_ much popcorn finish...? Umm, that's not possible.
When it's all gone, that's just enough. The stuff is an abomination.
Popcorn is the builder's eraser - it hides a multitude of sins. The
very fact that the subject comes up in a woodworking group makes me
shudder.
R
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>
> She sprayed it with water and a few drops of detergent, scraped,
> then with a wet sponge wiped any residue left.
------------------------------------
Recently one of the DIY shows went thru this process.
Covered the floor with plastic and went to work.
IMHO, it's the kind of job you sub out.
Lew
On Sep 19, 3:40=A0pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. =A0Crown molding is an elegant
> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those lit=
tle
> bubbles on it.
>
> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. =A0Worth the effort.
Sounds very appealing. And messy. I need to give this serious
thought.
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the wall.
Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
Believe me, I've been there.
Dave in Houston
On Sep 19, 7:05=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > On 9/19/10 3:08 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
> >> On Sep 19, 3:40 pm, "Ed Pawlowski"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>> "GarageWoodworks"<[email protected]> =A0wrote in message
>
> >>>news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com=
...
>
> >>>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> >>> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. =A0Crown molding is an ele=
gant
> >>> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those
> >>> little
> >>> bubbles on it.
>
> >>> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. =A0Worth the effort.
>
> >> Sounds very appealing. =A0And messy. =A0 I need to give this serious
> >> thought.
>
> > Don't count it out until you give it a try. Not all that stuff is the
> > same. There's a good chance that it will fall right off with a putty
> > knife. If it's the loose stuff, you can have the knife in one hand and
> > the shop vac in the other to minimize clean up.
>
> Was looking for a house to buy in Rockville, MD 30 years ago and the real=
tor
> meets us for a showing of a place with the owners at home (not the best
> circumstances). She, the realtor, meets us at the curb and tells us that =
the
> ceiling in the LR and DR are kind of unique but we should keep in mind th=
at
> we could make a sale provisional on something else being done. About this
> time the owner comes out the front door so she has no time to tell us mor=
e.
>
> Guy had done the LR and DR ceilings in Stalactites! Yes, like in a cave.
> Some of these things were hanging low enough that a six footer would have
> been getting a gashed head. Wife and I couldn't look at each other as we
> Knew we'd bust out laughing. Some discussion was held in the LR and I kep=
t
> finding my gaze wandering up to the ceiling ... It wasn't the 'deal
> breaker', but it sure was entertaining. Realtor told us they'd tried in v=
ain
> to get the owner to put the ceilings back to something normal.
Lol. Too funny!
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sep 19, 3:40 pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>
>> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
>> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those
>> little
>> bubbles on it.
>>
>> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
>
> Sounds very appealing. And messy. I need to give this serious
> thought.
Yes, my wife told me it was. She did 99% of it. Painting the popcorn is a
PITA also. It may be better with light diffusion or sound, or something,
but IMO, it look chap and tacky compared to a plain white, smooth ceiling.
She sprayed it with water and a few drops of detergent, scraped, then with a
wet sponge wiped any residue left.
"Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote
> Between 'wipe wet' and 'prime' I would add 'skim float and sand (or
> sponge).'
Without a doubt, because a ceiling is normally not finished as well when it
will be getting popcorn spray. You have to fix the damage from scraping and
then build it back to smooth finish quality, then sand.
I know how to do it. I have done it. I hire it done, for me. <g>
Jim in NC
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sep 19, 2:14 pm, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>
>> Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the wall.
>> Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
>> Believe me, I've been there.
>>
>> Dave in Houston
>
> I can see myself scraping too much in areas and having gaps. ?
I suppose I was lucky; I had a flexible blade that happened to be the
correct width leaving a uniform 1/8 inch between texture and crown (or cove
in my case).
Dave in Houston
On Sep 21, 11:25=A0am, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
> GarageWoodworks wrote:
> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> I do this all the time. Mix some water and dish soap or vinegar in a gard=
en
> sprayer and wet the ceiling well, let it penetrate the popcorn then scrap=
e
> with a wide drywall blade. Repair any damaged areas and the taped joints.
> The drywallers don't spend much time making ceiling right when they know
> popcorn will be applied. I then clean ceiling with a wet sponge and spray=
a
> light texture on it, prime and paint.....
>
> Try this method using vinegar. It only works on ceiling that haven't been
> painted...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D74rr71tZN8U
>
> --
> "You can lead them to LINUX
> but you can't make them THINK"
>
> Man. 2010.1 Spring
> KDE4.4
> 2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb
That was awesome!
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:08:58 -0700 (PDT), GarageWoodworks
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sep 19, 2:14 pm, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>
>> Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the wall.
>> Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
>> Believe me, I've been there.
>
>I can see myself scraping too much in areas and having gaps. ?
When you do it, it's usually removed entirely, from all areas. Mud
and sand any flaws before priming (very important) and painting.
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"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those little
bubbles on it.
Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:41:11 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>Morgans wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> Between 'wipe wet' and 'prime' I would add 'skim float and sand (or
>>> sponge).'
>>
>> Without a doubt, because a ceiling is normally not finished as well when
>> it will be getting popcorn spray. You have to fix the damage from
>> scraping and then build it back to smooth finish quality, then sand.
>>
>> I know how to do it. I have done it. I hire it done, for me. <g>
>>
>> Jim in NC
>
>I'm glad I'm not the only one playing with drywall mud. It almost gives
>one a Raison d'être--never any doubt about whether there is work that
>needs to be done! ; )
I'm with Jim. If it's more than 2 s/f, I prefer to hire it done. It's
heavy, dusty, messy work. Ceilings are sheer hell, even with a lift.
It is, however, one of those jobs that's immensely satisfying. The
before-and-afters are distinct!
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Others have no imagination whatsoever.
On 9/19/10 1:14 PM, Dave In Texas wrote:
>
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the wall.
> Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
> Believe me, I've been there.
>
> Dave in Houston
>
This is the correct way. Much easier and more correct looking than caulk.
When I do crown, I put strips of blue tape up at the correct spacing
from the wall. Scraping off the popcorn will produce a nice line at the
correct spacing.
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--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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On 9/19/10 4:08 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
> On Sep 19, 3:40 pm, "Ed Pawlowski"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>
>> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
>> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those little
>> bubbles on it.
>>
>> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
>
> Sounds very appealing. And messy. I need to give this serious
> thought.
Rip down any put up new drywall, start fresh.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Morgans wrote:
>
>
> "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Between 'wipe wet' and 'prime' I would add 'skim float and sand (or
>> sponge).'
>
> Without a doubt, because a ceiling is normally not finished as well when
> it will be getting popcorn spray. You have to fix the damage from
> scraping and then build it back to smooth finish quality, then sand.
>
> I know how to do it. I have done it. I hire it done, for me. <g>
>
> Jim in NC
I'm glad I'm not the only one playing with drywall mud. It almost gives
one a Raison d'être--never any doubt about whether there is work that
needs to be done! ; )
Bill
On 9/19/10 3:08 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
> On Sep 19, 3:40 pm, "Ed Pawlowski"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "GarageWoodworks"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>
>> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
>> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those little
>> bubbles on it.
>>
>> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
>
> Sounds very appealing. And messy. I need to give this serious
> thought.
Don't count it out until you give it a try. Not all that stuff is the
same. There's a good chance that it will fall right off with a putty
knife. If it's the loose stuff, you can have the knife in one hand and
the shop vac in the other to minimize clean up.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 9/19/10 3:08 PM, GarageWoodworks wrote:
>> On Sep 19, 3:40 pm, "Ed Pawlowski"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "GarageWoodworks"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>>
>>> I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
>>> touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those
>>> little
>>> bubbles on it.
>>>
>>> Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
>>
>> Sounds very appealing. And messy. I need to give this serious
>> thought.
>
> Don't count it out until you give it a try. Not all that stuff is the
> same. There's a good chance that it will fall right off with a putty
> knife. If it's the loose stuff, you can have the knife in one hand and
> the shop vac in the other to minimize clean up.
>
Was looking for a house to buy in Rockville, MD 30 years ago and the realtor
meets us for a showing of a place with the owners at home (not the best
circumstances). She, the realtor, meets us at the curb and tells us that the
ceiling in the LR and DR are kind of unique but we should keep in mind that
we could make a sale provisional on something else being done. About this
time the owner comes out the front door so she has no time to tell us more.
Guy had done the LR and DR ceilings in Stalactites! Yes, like in a cave.
Some of these things were hanging low enough that a six footer would have
been getting a gashed head. Wife and I couldn't look at each other as we
Knew we'd bust out laughing. Some discussion was held in the LR and I kept
finding my gaze wandering up to the ceiling ... It wasn't the 'deal
breaker', but it sure was entertaining. Realtor told us they'd tried in vain
to get the owner to put the ceilings back to something normal.
GarageWoodworks wrote:
> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
I do this all the time. Mix some water and dish soap or vinegar in a garden
sprayer and wet the ceiling well, let it penetrate the popcorn then scrape
with a wide drywall blade. Repair any damaged areas and the taped joints.
The drywallers don't spend much time making ceiling right when they know
popcorn will be applied. I then clean ceiling with a wet sponge and spray a
light texture on it, prime and paint.....
Try this method using vinegar. It only works on ceiling that haven't been
painted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74rr71tZN8U
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb
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On Sep 19, 2:14 pm, "Dave In Texas" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
> Mark the position of the crown on the ceiling relative to the wall.
> Measure that distance and scrape the popcorn.
> Believe me, I've been there.
>
> Dave in Houston
>I can see myself scraping too much in areas and having gaps. ?
Drag your scraper, don't push it. The popcorn should come off very easily.
"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
Not really. You just will need to run a bead of caulk around the edge, and
that will be more difficult than a smooth ceiling.
Jim in NC
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:40:44 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>
>I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
>touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those little
>bubbles on it.
>
>Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
Be cautious (of telling anyone) about removing it. You see, popcorn
could contain some of that
ALERT ALERT ALERT --= dastardly foul asbestos =-- ALERT ALERT ALERT
and it'd cost you a mint to get rid of it.
--
Some people hear voices. Some see invisible people.
Others have no imagination whatsoever.
On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 13:22:06 -0700, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:40:44 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GarageWoodworks" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:fcd56dae-e43c-4209-941c-37e73dd6e458@a19g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
>>> Any more difficult than a flat ceiling?
>>
>>I got rid of the popcorn crap in my house. Crown molding is an elegant
>>touch that is screwed up by a seriously marred ceiling with all those little
>>bubbles on it.
>>
>>Wet, scrape, wipe wet, prime, paint, admire. Worth the effort.
>
>Be cautious (of telling anyone) about removing it. You see, popcorn
>could contain some of that
>
>ALERT ALERT ALERT --= dastardly foul asbestos =-- ALERT ALERT ALERT
It doesn't necessarily contain asbestos and if it does it's not dangerous once
it's been wetted. The glop is not going to jump into your lungs.
>and it'd cost you a mint to get rid of it.
Nonsense. Throw it in the landfill. It is *not* dangerous.