There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
a floor drill press.
Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
press whose top can swivel away from the base?
On Dec 12, 11:16=A0am, BrianSiano <[email protected]> wrote:
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
I'd consider making a doweling jig (just an L shape with some
hardened drill guides pressed into the short leg) for this kind of
thing,
clamped to the board end. Just hand-drill the holes.
It can take some careful setup on a good drill press to make
the jig, though, and you will need to find a source of
suitable bushings for the drill guides.
On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:43:26 -0700, Bob La Londe <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>On 9/19/2019 3:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Monday, December 13, 2010 at 12:46:08 AM UTC+5:30, BrianSiano wrote:
> >> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> >> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> >> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
> >>
> >> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> >> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> >> a floor drill press.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> >> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
> >
> >
> > Please check
>https://drillpressreview.com/vevor-md40-magnetic-drill-press-1-1-2-boring-and-2700-lbs-magnet-magnetic-drilling-system/
>as well.
> >
>
>
>If the boards have a flat square side you can clamp them to a right
>angle plate. It will start as straight relative to the drill spindle as
>the surface the angle plate rests on. On my floor model drill press I
>periodically tram the table to make sure its square to the spindle (quill).
>
>The bigger the angle plate the easier it is, but the heavier it is too.
>I think my biggest one is 12 x 12 x 12 inches.
>
>https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Clamping-Workholding-Positioning/Fixturing-Angle-Irons?searchterm=right+angle+plate&navid=4287922830
>
>If you are trying to do this with a work piece that's already been
>turned... good luck.
The right tool for this is a horizontal boring machine, but that's a
lot to spend for a one-trick pony for a home shop. Personally I'd
probably rig a fixture to go on either the lathe or the radial arm
saw.
On Monday, December 13, 2010 at 12:46:08 AM UTC+5:30, BrianSiano wrote:
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
Please check https://drillpressreview.com/vevor-md40-magnetic-drill-press-1-1-2-boring-and-2700-lbs-magnet-magnetic-drilling-system/ as well.
On Dec 12, 3:52=A0pm, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "BrianSiano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> > regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> > to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> > The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> > are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> > a floor drill press.
>
> > Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> > press whose top can swivel away from the base?
>
> I'd either buy a floor model with enough clearance or I'd turn the head o=
n a
> bench top model. =A0If you take the second method, it will not be factory=
set
> to do that, but the base is a separate part from the support column. I'd
> screw down the base securely on a bench, then rotate the column. =A0Since=
it
> is a repetitive job, I'm sure you will be making a fixture to line up the
> board.
Thanks to all. I wasn't sure how much a drill press head could swivel,
so I could use the method described above.
The doweling jig's a good alternative. There's one point where the
pilot holes have to be about 1/16" off-center, but shims could correct
for that.
On Dec 12, 2:16=A0pm, BrianSiano <[email protected]> wrote:
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
Rip the boards in half. Plow 1/16" deep grooves down the edges
of each half, then glue back together. Drill the actual pilot
holes with an auger, letting the grooves guide the bit. You
can use a regular hand drill, no need to buy another machine
just yet.
On Dec 12, 11:16=A0am, BrianSiano <[email protected]> wrote:
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
I have a floor-model drill press (Delta 14"). I can swivel the table
so that it is vertical. Clamp a piece of wood to the table to serve
as a fence & clamp you boards to the fence.
May years ago, I made a horizontal boring machine as I had to make a
lot of dowel holes in the end of balusters for a railing. I don't
remember all the details, but I used plumbing metal strapping to
attach a hand-held drill to a piece of plywood. On another piece of
ply, I screwed in 4 lengths of threaded road to adjust the height and
somehow attached it to the other ply with the drill. A piece of wood
was used as a fence to guide the exact position of the dowel.
HTH
Luigi
In article <885def19-1608-412c-9bf4-26ed0eedae08
@v17g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2:16 pm, BrianSiano <[email protected]> wrote:
> > There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> > regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> > to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
> >
> > The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> > are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> > a floor drill press.
> >
> > Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> > press whose top can swivel away from the base?
>
> Rip the boards in half. Plow 1/16" deep grooves down the edges
> of each half, then glue back together. Drill the actual pilot
> holes with an auger, letting the grooves guide the bit. You
> can use a regular hand drill, no need to buy another machine
> just yet.
Lot of work to go through.
Simpler solution, use the drill press to drill three equidistant holes
in a stick of wood. Put dowels in the two on the ends. Straddle the
board with the dowels and the third hole will be centered and
perpendicular (assuming you did a good of making the thing).
Or cut off a piece the lumber you're working with, drill guide holes in
it using the drill press, then glue/screw/clamp/otherwise_attach blocks
all around and slip the resulting assembly over the end of the piece
that is to have the pilot holes and drill them through the guide holes.
Or just go down to Harbor Fright and drop 13 bucks on a dowel jig. Make
sure to adjust the centering on it--as they come out of the box they're
usually misaligned--so are the ones from Woodcraft that seem to be the
same item for several times the price.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
> <...snipped...>
> >Simpler solution, use the drill press to drill three equidistant holes
> >in a stick of wood. Put dowels in the two on the ends. Straddle the
> >board with the dowels and the third hole will be centered and
> >perpendicular (assuming you did a good of making the thing).
> <...snipped...>
> >
> Doesn't that describe 3 holes drilled at the corners of an equilateral
> triangle? :)
Not if you're trying to center a hole in a board it doesn't.
In article
<[email protected]>,
BrianSiano <[email protected]> wrote:
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
Or one that can be laid over flat. One of the things a ShopSmith Mark V
is actually GOOD at is being a decent drill press that can be a
horizontal boring machine when that's more convenient (in under 30
seconds if you don't pile stuff on it). At the more reasonable of used
prices it can actually be a good deal for that. At new and unreasonable
used prices, not a good value. Either way, bigger than a benchtop drill
press, so probably not what you want - but one way to do the job.
--
Cats, coffee, chocolate...vices to live by
Bob La Londe <[email protected]> writes:
>
>On 9/19/2019 3:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Monday, December 13, 2010 at 12:46:08 AM UTC+5:30, BrianSiano wrote:
> >> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> >> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> >> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
> >>
> >> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> >> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> >> a floor drill press.
> >>
> >> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> >> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
> >
> >
> > Please check <snipped URL
I don't think Brian has patiently waited 9 years for your reply.
"BrianSiano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
I'd either buy a floor model with enough clearance or I'd turn the head on a
bench top model. If you take the second method, it will not be factory set
to do that, but the base is a separate part from the support column. I'd
screw down the base securely on a bench, then rotate the column. Since it
is a repetitive job, I'm sure you will be making a fixture to line up the
board.
Bob La Londe <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/19/2019 3:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Monday, December 13, 2010 at 12:46:08 AM UTC+5:30, BrianSiano wrote:
>
> If you are trying to do this with a work piece that's already been
> turned... good luck.
ICYDK, you are replying to a click-bait posting Desi spammer.
HTH
"BrianSiano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
Bench top Radial Drill Press. I ued one for about 28 years as my only DP.
Relatively inexpensive.
On Dec 12, 1:27=A0pm, Ecnerwal
<[email protected]> wrote:
>snip<
> Or one that can be laid over flat. One of the things a ShopSmith Mark V
> is actually GOOD at is being a decent drill press that can be a
> horizontal boring machine when that's more convenient (in under 30
> seconds if you don't pile stuff on it). At the more reasonable of used
> prices it can actually be a good deal for that. At new and unreasonable
> used prices, not a good value. Either way, bigger than a benchtop drill
> press, so probably not what you want - but one way to do the job.
Any Shopsmith, regardless of age will do what you want with finesse. I
have an ancient 10ER that still does shop tricks for me. Look for them
on Craigslist, eBay or wherever. Prices are low, hundreds of eBay
listings for accessories no longer manufactured. If you find one,
bring a truck, it's a lot of cast iron. Hard to find a nearly 16"
drill press for what you would pay for a 10ER. If you get lucky you
will find one with a speed changer, real handy. And besides...haven't
you always wanted a decent lathe?
Joe
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
For drilling holes in the ends of boards, you'd be better off with a
doweling jig.
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2000782/2204/Premium-Doweling-Jig.aspx
"BrianSiano" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
Most, all that I'm familiar with anyway, drill presses will allow the
head to swivel on the post once you loosen the set screws. When
they were new they were shipped in pieces so swiveling the head is
no big deal. The tables will also swivel sideways and rotate from
the horizontal. This will let you clamp your board to it while drilling.
Art
On 12/12/2010 2:16 PM, BrianSiano wrote:
> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
>
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
I have two comments on your problem.
The first is a general comment. I have a small bench top drill press
that is about 10" from the base to the chuck. While the price was right
and it is great for most of the things I do, if I were to replace it I
would go larger. With 10" throat, you are extremely limited in the
widths of the piece that can be drilled. (A drill is 4 to 8 inches and a
the wide side of a 2X4 nearly fills the throat.)
This is something I did for a project many years ago. To drill the legs,
I would make a jig for my hand drill. The jig is a bed about the
length of the leg. Using two fences, attach them such that the distance
between them would be the width of the leg. Make a fitting to hold the
drill precisely in the position so the drill hits the leg where you want
it and aligned the drill with the channel
In operation turn the drill on, and slide the leg up the channel to the
depth you need for the hole. Channel keep the drill and leg in the same
relative position
I hope this is clear
Side view
___DRILL
___________________________________________|________|
Top View
_____________________________________________________
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__DRILL
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In article <[email protected]>,
J. Clarke <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>Simpler solution, use the drill press to drill three equidistant holes
>in a stick of wood. Put dowels in the two on the ends. Straddle the
>board with the dowels and the third hole will be centered and
>perpendicular (assuming you did a good of making the thing).
<...snipped...>
>
Doesn't that describe 3 holes drilled at the corners of an equilateral
triangle? :)
--
Better to be stuck up in a tree than tied to one.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar.org
On 9/19/2019 3:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2010 at 12:46:08 AM UTC+5:30, BrianSiano wrote:
>> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
>> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
>> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>>
>> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
>> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
>> a floor drill press.
>>
>> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
>> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
>
>
> Please check
https://drillpressreview.com/vevor-md40-magnetic-drill-press-1-1-2-boring-and-2700-lbs-magnet-magnetic-drilling-system/
as well.
>
If the boards have a flat square side you can clamp them to a right
angle plate. It will start as straight relative to the drill spindle as
the surface the angle plate rests on. On my floor model drill press I
periodically tram the table to make sure its square to the spindle (quill).
The bigger the angle plate the easier it is, but the heavier it is too.
I think my biggest one is 12 x 12 x 12 inches.
https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tn/Clamping-Workholding-Positioning/Fixturing-Angle-Irons?searchterm=right+angle+plate&navid=4287922830
If you are trying to do this with a work piece that's already been
turned... good luck.
On 9/20/2019 9:07 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bob La Londe <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> On 9/19/2019 3:00 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Monday, December 13, 2010 at 12:46:08 AM UTC+5:30, BrianSiano wrote:
>>>> There's a project I have in mind that requires some precise and
>>>> regular drilling, so it may be time to buy a drill press. I'd prefer
>>>> to get a small benchtop model, but I have a problem.
>>>>
>>>> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
>>>> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
>>>> a floor drill press.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
>>>> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
>>>
>>>
>>> Please check <snipped URL
>
> I don't think Brian has patiently waited 9 years for your reply.
>
Well maybe not "patiently" anyway. LOL.
"BrianSiano" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The project requires drilling pilot holes into the ends of boards that
> are roughly 30" long. You can see that this can be a problem even with
> a floor drill press.
> Is there a way to get around this problem? Perhaps a benchtop drill
> press whose top can swivel away from the base?
I'd be thinking in terms of clamping the boards vertically to the side of a
workbench and either using one of those drill guides with a hand drill ¹ or
making a jig to keep the drill vertical. A few scraps glued together with a
vertical hole the size of the drill bit would probably work unless you need
damn near microscopic precision.
¹ http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=2405
http://www.amazon.com/General-Tool-36-37-Precis/dp/B0000E6TM6
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2003121/11022/Precision-Drill-Guide.aspx