I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
piece. Thanks for any help!
ac
"Larry Bud" wrote in message
> Instead of spending your money on this, why not convert all your discs
> into MP3, then get a media server to serve them up through your stereo?
> You'd save space because you could put your original CDs in boxes and
> away, and you could have nearly endless music as your fingertips!
Agreed. I relegated my CD collection to boxes on a shelf in the office
closet right after iTunes came out.
iTunes on the two computers hooked up to stereo systems in the house, and an
iPod, which also plugs into the dash of my truck, are about the only way I
listen to music anymore. In the shop I've got a pair of Klipsch mp3 speakers
that my iPod plugs into ... at a third the cost of that pricey BOSE system,
and with a lot more bottom end.
And with "playlists", you don't need no stinkin' DJ running at the mouth.
Even listen to Spanish lessons over the iPod when I walk each morning ... 30
minutes a day put to good, dual purpose ... it's great to be alive, kicking,
and _wired_ in the 21st century (so far). ;)
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[email protected] wrote:
> I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
> cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
> wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
> deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
> prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
> piece. Thanks for any help!
Instead of spending your money on this, why not convert all your discs
into MP3, then get a media server to serve them up through your stereo?
You'd save space because you could put your original CDs in boxes and
away, and you could have nearly endless music as your fingertips!
> >Instead of spending your money on this, why not convert all your discs
> >into MP3, then get a media server to serve them up through your stereo?
> > You'd save space because you could put your original CDs in boxes and
> >away, and you could have nearly endless music as your fingertips!
> >
>
> The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
> lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
> enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
> for the main stereo system, IMO.
JPGs are lossy too, but there are beautiful images out there in JPG
format. I would bet that 99% of the people out there can't tell the
difference between a CD and a 192kbps MP3 even on a decent audio
system. The quality vs size is even better when encoding with a VBR
(variable bit rate).
> Even better, get a couple of sony 400 disk changers, link them
> together and with random play you'll get random access to the
> songs on over 800 cds.
The beauty of the MP3 server is that you have access to all of your
music wherever you want. Each audio destination can play any song
independant of every other location.
"Scott Lurndal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
> lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
> enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
> for the main stereo system, IMO.
I could be way off base but I think they are talking MP3 not MPEG
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
>cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
>wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
>deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
>prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
>piece. Thanks for any help!
Too long. Even at 3/4" thick, the boards will sag under their own weight.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:19:57 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Don't ask me how, but my 01 Dodge RAM seems like it came iPod ready. :)
Hm. Well, that settles it then. Obviously, to hear my iPod on the
road, I need a new truck.
Off to tell SWMBO. Thanks!
- Matt
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thanks for all the good ideas folks...gonna try to figure out which way
> to go. The back will be 1/2" plywood. There is enough room between the
> shelves to add a thin cleat there to support the shelves and/or also
> screw them directly to the back.
>
If you add a divider down the center of the unit it will not only be
stronger but will look much better, you'll need a back as well, 1/2" is a
little over-kill for a back
Matt Stachoni wrote:
> Swing,
>
> What are you using to connect your ipod in your truck?
Try these guys for a solution:
<http://www.logjamelectronics.com/>
They had a device that allowed me to connect MP3 and XM devices to my
2005 Toyota factory stereo for about $80. MUCH, MUCH better quality
sound than FM modulators.
To use the device, I simply select disc 1, track 1, on the changer, with
no disc in the slot.
Installation required no splicing and only about 30 minutes. The device
plugged into the "data bus" on the back of the head unit.
Barry
"Matt Stachoni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:54:26 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
>>> lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
>>> enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
>>> for the main stereo system, IMO.
>
>>I could be way off base but I think they are talking MP3 not MPEG
>
> MPEG (Motion Picture Experts Group) is a family of standards used for
> coding video and audio in a digital compressed format.
>
> .MP3 is one such MPEG audio standard. .MP2 is the other.
.Thank you
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>
> If you add a divider down the center of the unit it will not only be
> stronger but will look much better, you'll need a back as well, 1/2" is a
> little over-kill for a back
>
Good suggestion.
> The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
> lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
> enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
> for the main stereo system, IMO.
>
> Better (but requires much more disk space) is to keep the 16-bit
> PCM audio tracks directly.
>
> Even better, get a couple of sony 400 disk changers, link them
> together and with random play you'll get random access to the
> songs on over 800 cds. Since one player can select a disk and
> track while the other is playing, and they switch players with
> no delay, continuous random tunes.
At the risk of being mass-plonked for firmly pulling this thing way off
topic, I have to comment a bit on the above. First of all digital is, by
definition, lossy. A CD is NOT a perfect representation of a recording. On
the flip side of that coin, any digital format that does not meet or exceed
CD specs is NOT automatically one with poor fidelity.
I've bought quite a bit of stuff from various on-line music vendors and have
yet to hear any compression artifacts like I would with lower bit-rate
files. Now, I don't have a $10,000 system, but I do have some pretty nice
headphones as well as a decent home and car system. But then again I'm no
audiophile... I listen to the MUSIC, and not the equipment.
I think a digital library has a lot of benefits that may outweigh the
(perceived) loss of fidelity. In addition to the space savings - no small
thing when considering listening in a car, you can have easy
smartlists/playlists, crossfades, prioritized songs, near-instant purchase
ability, portability, etc. Metadata goes a long way to improving the
listening experience. The software that handles this type of thing is
getting better all the time (check out http://pandora.com sometime), and
there are even a few decent consumer-level 10 foot interfaces now.
Just my two cents.
-John in NH
"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>[email protected] wrote:
>> I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
>> cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
>> wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
>> deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
>> prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
>> piece. Thanks for any help!
>
>Instead of spending your money on this, why not convert all your discs
>into MP3, then get a media server to serve them up through your stereo?
> You'd save space because you could put your original CDs in boxes and
>away, and you could have nearly endless music as your fingertips!
>
The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
for the main stereo system, IMO.
Better (but requires much more disk space) is to keep the 16-bit
PCM audio tracks directly.
Even better, get a couple of sony 400 disk changers, link them
together and with random play you'll get random access to the
songs on over 800 cds. Since one player can select a disk and
track while the other is playing, and they switch players with
no delay, continuous random tunes.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
> cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
> wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
> deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
> prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
> piece. Thanks for any help!
A clear span of 56" will sag. Is there going to be a back? If there is a
back and the shelves are tacked to it, there will be no sagging. There are
other ways of adding strength too. If you add a lip using cross grain
across the front or back is will greatly stiffen the shelf also.
[email protected] wrote:
> Thanks for all the good ideas folks...gonna try to figure out which way
> to go. The back will be 1/2" plywood. There is enough room between the
> shelves to add a thin cleat there to support the shelves and/or also
> screw them directly to the back.
>
A great tool/resource is the 'Sagulator'. DAGS, or try here:
http://www.woodworkersweb.com/sagulator.htm
-John in NH
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:54:26 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
>> lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
>> enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
>> for the main stereo system, IMO.
>I could be way off base but I think they are talking MP3 not MPEG
MPEG (Motion Picture Experts Group) is a family of standards used for
coding video and audio in a digital compressed format.
.MP3 is one such MPEG audio standard. .MP2 is the other.
- Matt
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:07:31 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>"Larry Bud" <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
>>> cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
>>> wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
>>> deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
>>> prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
>>> piece. Thanks for any help!
>>
>>Instead of spending your money on this, why not convert all your discs
>>into MP3, then get a media server to serve them up through your stereo?
>> You'd save space because you could put your original CDs in boxes and
>>away, and you could have nearly endless music as your fingertips!
>>
>
>The Motion Picture Experts Group Layer 3 audio encoding is
>lossy - it doesn't maintain the fidelity of the original. Good
>enough for a portable player, and perhaps the car; but not
>for the main stereo system, IMO.
with a decent bitrate of rip the fidelity is well above the threshhold
at which I can detect errors. my hearing, like probably many of the
regulars here, has been compromised by power tool noise...
>
>Better (but requires much more disk space) is to keep the 16-bit
>PCM audio tracks directly.
>
>Even better, get a couple of sony 400 disk changers, link them
>together and with random play you'll get random access to the
>songs on over 800 cds. Since one player can select a disk and
>track while the other is playing, and they switch players with
>no delay, continuous random tunes.
I have a 260GB hard drive for music. it holds something like 50,000
.mp3 files. and yes I have to run it through a computer to play, but a
computer really should be a part of any home entertainment system
these days.
Swing,
What are you using to connect your ipod in your truck?
I need a hardwired solution for mine, as the RF solutions in my area
suck. Probably due to all the country-western and religious stations
taking up every second MHz on the dial.
- Matt
On Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:21:26 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Larry Bud" wrote in message
>
>> Instead of spending your money on this, why not convert all your discs
>> into MP3, then get a media server to serve them up through your stereo?
>> You'd save space because you could put your original CDs in boxes and
>> away, and you could have nearly endless music as your fingertips!
>
>Agreed. I relegated my CD collection to boxes on a shelf in the office
>closet right after iTunes came out.
>
>iTunes on the two computers hooked up to stereo systems in the house, and an
>iPod, which also plugs into the dash of my truck, are about the only way I
>listen to music anymore. In the shop I've got a pair of Klipsch mp3 speakers
>that my iPod plugs into ... at a third the cost of that pricey BOSE system,
>and with a lot more bottom end.
>
>And with "playlists", you don't need no stinkin' DJ running at the mouth.
>
>Even listen to Spanish lessons over the iPod when I walk each morning ... 30
>minutes a day put to good, dual purpose ... it's great to be alive, kicking,
>and _wired_ in the 21st century (so far). ;)
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
> cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
> wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
> deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
> prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
> piece. Thanks for any help!
IF there will be a back such as 1/4" plywood to help strengthen the rack you
can use screws through the plywood into the back edge of the 1/2" shelf, 3
or 4 screws along the length of the shelf, and you should be OK.
[email protected] Wrote:
> I'm getting read to make a hanging cd rack to hold between 450-500
> cd's. Anyway, I'm looking at 5 shelves, each 56" long. I was
> wondering if 1/2 thick oak would be good enough (the cd shelves are 6"
> deep and each will hold about 100) or do I need to go 3/4" thick to
> prevent any sagging. Each shelf will be dado'd into a 3/4" think side
> piece. Thanks for any help!
>
> ac
The weight of CDs/DVDs adds up quick. My CD shelves are supported only
on the ends, 5/8-in thick, 8-in deep, with a 1/2-in thick (by 7-in deep)
vertical support every 24-inches. No sagging.
--
joe2
"John Girouard" wrote in message
> But then again I'm no
> audiophile... I listen to the MUSIC, and not the equipment.
Lots of nitpickers pick lots of nits on this topic. Suffice to say, and
despite owning a commercial recording studio and engineering literally
hundreds of albums in the past 30 years, many with names you would
recognize, I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. If I so choose, I can
hear it "exactly as it sounded when mixed in the studio", but properly
rendered MP3's are simply a marvel of technology in my book, and damn hard
to beat for "portability".
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"Matt Stachoni" wrote in message
>
> What are you using to connect your ipod in your truck?
>
> I need a hardwired solution for mine, as the RF solutions in my area
> suck. Probably due to all the country-western and religious stations
> taking up every second MHz on the dial.
Don't ask me how, but my 01 Dodge RAM seems like it came iPod ready. :)
The Aiwa AM/FM/Cassette/(mp3)CD player has a _front_ mounted stereo input
jack, and that whole unit sits right next to a recess in the dash that the
iPod fits in as if it were made for it.
A 6" patch cord completes the connection.
Those iPod FM transmitters sounds terrible to my ears, hardly any bass
whatsoever.
The only other solution for the iPod I've found that is sonically
acceptable, and I am relatively picky, is one of those cassette adaptors
that allows you to play a portable CD player through the auto cassette deck
... not as good being able to plug directly into the unit, a la Aiwa, but
_much_ better than the FM transmitter route, IMO ... and a whole lot
cheaper.
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"Matt Stachoni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Swing,
>
> What are you using to connect your ipod in your truck?
>
> I need a hardwired solution for mine, as the RF solutions in my area
> suck. Probably due to all the country-western and religious stations
> taking up every second MHz on the dial.
Many of the newer radios have a minature telephone jack on the face to
connect an MP3 player.