Hello,
I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
hand and power tools for my workshop. I
am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
However, I didn't realize that even making
a basic cut is challenging.
Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
table saw push shoe jig shown here:
http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
simple cut? I could only come up with two methods: one involves
cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
cut the the rest. The second method would use a stacked dadoe blade
and doing multiple cuts perpendicular to the face of the board.
Or maybe I can use a router but then how do I handle the corner?
I am sure many of you have made this kind of cut before hundreds of
times. What method do you use to guarantee that the end result is a
square and flat cut?
I would appreciate any tips and advice on how to handle this basic cut.
On Aug 23, 3:22=A0pm, David Nebenzahl <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 8/23/2009 5:43 AM J. Clarke spake thus:
>
>
>
> > David Nebenzahl wrote:
> >> On 8/22/2009 9:33 PM MikeWhy spake thus:
>
> >>> "JMPTechGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com=
...
>
> >>>> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom
> >>>> of a table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> >>>> =A0 =A0http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> >>> There's square, and then there's *square*. For the push stick, you
> >>> just need mostly square. Almost anything that will cut an inside
> >>> corner will be good enough. Some glue and a few brads or screws will
> >>> also work.
>
> >> Brads or screws on a *push stick*?
>
> >> I don't think so.
>
> > Use brass or copper or aluminum.
>
> Well, even those are going to give you a nasty surprise the first time
> you push them into your blade, though they'll likely not damage it.
>
> --
> Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
Thanks for everyone's input. I should have made it clear that I agree
that this is only a push stick and the
cut does not need to be dead square, but I was also thinking about
similar cuts found in other furniture
pieces, which is why I wanted to ask about the best technique for
obtaining good accuracy. Your advice
would help me with those future cuts.
Anyhow, I appreciate everyone's input on this matter. I'll stick to
the basic hand tools for now.
Cheers.
On 8/22/2009 10:03 AM JMP Tech Guy spake thus:
> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
> simple cut? I could only come up with two methods: one involves
> cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
> from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
> cut the the rest.
Bingo. If you don't have a bandsaw (I don't, wish I had one, hate
everyone who does), just use a handsaw to finish the cut. Since this is
just a jig, the cut doesn't have to be precise and surgically clean, but
with care, it is possible to get such a cut, say if the piece were part
of a piece of furniture.
Think simple, not about obtaining more exotic tools and jigs.
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On 8/22/2009 9:33 PM MikeWhy spake thus:
> "JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
>> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
>> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> There's square, and then there's *square*. For the push stick, you just need
> mostly square. Almost anything that will cut an inside corner will be good
> enough. Some glue and a few brads or screws will also work.
Brads or screws on a *push stick*?
I don't think so.
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On 8/23/2009 5:43 AM J. Clarke spake thus:
> David Nebenzahl wrote:
>> On 8/22/2009 9:33 PM MikeWhy spake thus:
>>
>>> "JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom
>>>> of a table saw push shoe jig shown here:
>>>> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>>>
>>> There's square, and then there's *square*. For the push stick, you
>>> just need mostly square. Almost anything that will cut an inside
>>> corner will be good enough. Some glue and a few brads or screws will
>>> also work.
>>
>> Brads or screws on a *push stick*?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>
> Use brass or copper or aluminum.
Well, even those are going to give you a nasty surprise the first time
you push them into your blade, though they'll likely not damage it.
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"JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> Hello,
>
> I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
> hand and power tools for my workshop. I
> am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
> However, I didn't realize that even making
> a basic cut is challenging.
>
> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
> simple cut? I could only come up with two methods: one involves
> cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
> from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
> cut the the rest. The second method would use a stacked dadoe blade
> and doing multiple cuts perpendicular to the face of the board.
>
> Or maybe I can use a router but then how do I handle the corner?
>
> I am sure many of you have made this kind of cut before hundreds of
> times. What method do you use to guarantee that the end result is a
> square and flat cut?
>
> I would appreciate any tips and advice on how to handle this basic cut.
Come on guys,
You can make the cut with a Japanese saw or a Carcass saw in less time than
it takes to respond to the post. :-)
On Aug 22, 1:03=A0pm, JMP Tech Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
> hand and power tools for my workshop. =A0I
> am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
> However, I didn't realize that even making
> a basic cut is challenging.
>
> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> =A0 =A0http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
> simple cut? =A0I could only come up with two methods: one involves
> cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
> from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
> cut the the rest. =A0The second method would use a stacked dadoe blade
> and doing multiple cuts perpendicular to the face of the board.
>
> Or maybe I can use a router but then how do I handle the corner?
>
> I am sure many of you have made this kind of cut before hundreds of
> times. =A0What method do you use to guarantee that the end result is a
> square and flat cut?
>
> I would appreciate any tips and advice on how to handle this basic cut.
chuck
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "JMP Tech Guy" wrote:
>
>> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
>> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
>> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>>
>> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
>> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
>> simple cut?
>
> Band saw or saber saw.
>
> Lew
I would make the short cut first by setting the blade height to the
dimension of the cut and make the cut using the miter gage set at 90 degrees
and holding the board vertical.
I would make the long cut stopping short leaving the piece intact. I would
finish the cut with a hand saw.
Actually, I would make the cut using my bandsaw.
JMP Tech Guy wrote:
> I would appreciate any tips and advice on how to handle this basic cut.
A good hand saw is all your need for starters, or forever for that matter.
That said, if you don't have a band saw, then run, don't walk, and buy
the best "jigsaw" you can afford.
Bosch is one of the better models out there:
http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-1587AVSP-Progressor-Top-Handle-Jig/dp/B0000223GF
With an EXCELLENT jig saw and a straight edge (a small speed square is
excellent for a straight edge for these type cuts with a jigsaw) you can
make cuts like this all day long.
Do NOT buy a B&D jigsaw, do NOT buy a Ryobi jigsaw, do NOT buy any el
cheapo jig saw, buy a top-of-the-line jigsaw and it will save you time
and money in the long run.
BTW, and IMO, you will find that push block a PITA to hold onto properly
... using that same "shoe" shape, make cutouts like the following and
you will find it much easier, and safer, to use:
http://www.e-woodshop.net/Jigs.htm
scroll down to "Favorite table saw push stick design"
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JMP Tech Guy wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
> hand and power tools for my workshop. I
> am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
> However, I didn't realize that even making
> a basic cut is challenging.
>
> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
> simple cut? I could only come up with two methods: one involves
> cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
> from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
> cut the the rest. The second method would use a stacked dadoe blade
> and doing multiple cuts perpendicular to the face of the board.
>
> Or maybe I can use a router but then how do I handle the corner?
>
> I am sure many of you have made this kind of cut before hundreds of
> times. What method do you use to guarantee that the end result is a
> square and flat cut?
>
> I would appreciate any tips and advice on how to handle this basic
> cut.
You could use this instead:
http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=push+stick
In article <efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, JMP Tech Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
>hand and power tools for my workshop.
Can you be more specific?
>I am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
>However, I didn't realize that even making
>a basic cut is challenging.
Only if you over-complicate it, as you seem to doing. :-)
>
>Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
>table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
>Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
>What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
>simple cut?
Band saw. You're making a push stick, not a piano. The corner does not need to
be perfectly square; in fact, the cuts don't need to be perfectly straight or
perfectly smooth, either.
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, JMP Tech Guy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
>> hand and power tools for my workshop.
>
> Can you be more specific?
>
>> I am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
>> However, I didn't realize that even making
>> a basic cut is challenging.
>
> Only if you over-complicate it, as you seem to doing. :-)
I agree, I think the OP is too, but I can sympathize. My first jigs were
measured to the nearest 1/64th, dead nuts square, planed to simulate a
baby's ass and either covered with BLO or gloss white paint.
For some jigs, I still worry about the accuracy, but I've worked myself
out of making them look like they were designed, built and finished by
Sam Maloof.
To the OP: Keep at it, but before you start something, step back and
evaluate how important the accuracy or squarness is before you cut. I'm
not advocating being sloppy. I'm just saying spend the time and effort
where you really need it.
Tanus
Gordon Shumway wrote:
> I didn't even cut mine so I didn't have the angst you have. All I did
> was glue the needed portion to the bottom.
>
> http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/dobripw/?action=view¤t=PushStick.jpg
>
> As you can see I had a little too much time on my hands that day.
I love it! It could stand a nice coat of garnet shellacky though. :-)
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HeyBub wrote:
> You could use this instead:
> http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=push+stick
<shudder>
I *hate* that style of push stick; it makes me feel so out of control.
I much prefer something shaped like this:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30067&cat=1,42207
though mine is a home-brewed jobby made from 1/2" baltic birch plywood.
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"JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
There's square, and then there's *square*. For the push stick, you just need
mostly square. Almost anything that will cut an inside corner will be good
enough. Some glue and a few brads or screws will also work.
David Nebenzahl wrote:
> On 8/22/2009 9:33 PM MikeWhy spake thus:
>
>> "JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >
>>> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom
>>> of a table saw push shoe jig shown here:
>>> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>>
>> There's square, and then there's *square*. For the push stick, you
>> just need mostly square. Almost anything that will cut an inside
>> corner will be good enough. Some glue and a few brads or screws will
>> also work.
>
> Brads or screws on a *push stick*?
>
> I don't think so.
Use brass or copper or aluminum.
"David Nebenzahl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 8/22/2009 9:33 PM MikeWhy spake thus:
>
>> "JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:efc8a920-ffa4-453b-be8d-3db310a5d802@w41g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >
>>> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
>>> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
>>> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>>
>> There's square, and then there's *square*. For the push stick, you just
>> need mostly square. Almost anything that will cut an inside corner will
>> be good enough. Some glue and a few brads or screws will also work.
>
> Brads or screws on a *push stick*?
>
> I don't think so.
A definite brain fart. Skip the hardware; glue alone will suffice. The point
being, rotary cutters aren't well suited for inside corners. Absent a need
to adhere to arbitrary aesthetics, the same function can be met by building
up the piece rather than cutting the notch.
>> Brads or screws on a *push stick*?
>>
>> I don't think so.
>
> A definite brain fart. Skip the hardware; glue alone will suffice. The
> point being, rotary cutters aren't well suited for inside corners.
> Absent a need to adhere to arbitrary aesthetics, the same function can
> be met by building up the piece rather than cutting the notch.
>
CA glue and accelerant works great for attaching sacrificial heals to a
push shoe.
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"JMP Tech Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Thanks for everyone's input. I should have made it clear that I agree
that this is only a push stick and the
cut does not need to be dead square, but I was also thinking about
similar cuts found in other furniture
pieces, which is why I wanted to ask about the best technique for
obtaining good accuracy. Your advice
would help me with those future cuts.
=============
It's similar to a very long tenon, but too long to cut with a tenoning jig.
The other options are to nibble it with the tablesaw, maybe with a stacked
dado, or on the router. All said, the bandsaw is the best tool.
>>>>>>>>>>>
Anyhow, I appreciate everyone's input on this matter. I'll stick to
the basic hand tools for now.
========
Yup. I'd reach for the ryoba and a paring chisel.
Gordon Shumway wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:48:58 -0500, Steve Turner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Gordon Shumway wrote:
>>> I didn't even cut mine so I didn't have the angst you have. All I did
>>> was glue the needed portion to the bottom.
>>>
>>> http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/dobripw/?action=view¤t=PushStick.jpg
>>>
>>> As you can see I had a little too much time on my hands that day.
>> I love it! It could stand a nice coat of garnet shellacky though. :-)
>
> Thanks for the complement. I know a Steve Turner, actually two of
> them. Do you live in Illinois and did you recently retire? If yes to
> both questions I'm pretty sure you're one of the two I know.
>
>
> Gordon Shumway
I'm in Austin Texas (Pflugerville, actually) and I'm still workin' for
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"JMP Tech Guy" wrote:
> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of
> a
> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
> simple cut?
Band saw or saber saw.
Lew
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:03:43 -0700 (PDT), JMP Tech Guy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
>hand and power tools for my workshop. I
>am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
>However, I didn't realize that even making
>a basic cut is challenging.
>
>Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
>table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
>Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
>What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
>simple cut? I could only come up with two methods: one involves
>cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
>from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
>cut the the rest. The second method would use a stacked dadoe blade
>and doing multiple cuts perpendicular to the face of the board.
>
>Or maybe I can use a router but then how do I handle the corner?
>
>I am sure many of you have made this kind of cut before hundreds of
>times. What method do you use to guarantee that the end result is a
>square and flat cut?
>
>I would appreciate any tips and advice on how to handle this basic cut.
I didn't even cut mine so I didn't have the angst you have. All I did
was glue the needed portion to the bottom.
http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/dobripw/?action=view¤t=PushStick.jpg
As you can see I had a little too much time on my hands that day.
Gordon Shumway
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:48:58 -0500, Steve Turner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gordon Shumway wrote:
>> I didn't even cut mine so I didn't have the angst you have. All I did
>> was glue the needed portion to the bottom.
>>
>> http://s692.photobucket.com/albums/vv290/dobripw/?action=view¤t=PushStick.jpg
>>
>> As you can see I had a little too much time on my hands that day.
>
>I love it! It could stand a nice coat of garnet shellacky though. :-)
Thanks for the complement. I know a Steve Turner, actually two of
them. Do you live in Illinois and did you recently retire? If yes to
both questions I'm pretty sure you're one of the two I know.
Gordon Shumway
JMP Tech Guy wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am just starting out in woodworking and have acquired all the major
> hand and power tools for my workshop. I
> am starting out with the basics and need to make some safety jigs.
> However, I didn't realize that even making
> a basic cut is challenging.
>
> Let's say I want to ensure a square L-shaped cut, like the bottom of a
> table saw push shoe jig shown here:
> http://www.provenwoodworking.com/images/push-shoe.jpg
>
> Assume that I have access to all the hand and power tools available.
> What is the best method and set of tool(s) to use to make such a
> simple cut? I could only come up with two methods: one involves
> cutting the long portion using a table saw, up to about 1 inch away
> from the corner of the next cut, then using a bandsaw or hand saw to
> cut the the rest. The second method would use a stacked dadoe blade
> and doing multiple cuts perpendicular to the face of the board.
With table saw, make the short cut with miter gauge, raise blade to max,
make long cut as far past short cut as necessary to release piece. That
assumes the stock is thick enough that a bit of over cutting doesn't matter.
Alternatively, make long cut to the short cut, finish long cut on bandsaw.
_______________
> Or maybe I can use a router but then how do I handle the corner?
1. Chisel
2. Hand saw
____________
> I am sure many of you have made this kind of cut before hundreds of
> times. What method do you use to guarantee that the end result is a
> square and flat cut?
For what you are making, I wouldn't want it square, would prefer a slightly
acute angle. I'd make that angle by gluing a bit of thin (1/8"?) stock
about an inch long at the front end of the long cut. That way you can apply
pressure on a board being pushed either at the toe or heal end of the push
stick.
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