In article <[email protected]>, P van
Rijckevorsel <[email protected]> wrote:
> In the page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/Hardwood.html
> the title overlaps the text (Netscape 7)
> PvR
> * * *'
And in <http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html> the inline
pics overlap the text above them.
djb
--
The moral difference between a soldier and a civilian is that the soldier
accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic of which he
is a member. The civilian does not. Robert A. Heinlein
In article <[email protected]>,
Charles Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> stable, stationary layouts do not exist as they do in the print world.
The web has always been about structure, not layout. You can't control
how people's browsers are configured, so trying to design a web page as
if it were a printed page is a mug's game. Don't bother.
djb
--
The moral difference between a soldier and a civilian is that the soldier
accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic of which he
is a member. The civilian does not. Robert A. Heinlein
In article <[email protected]>,
Charles Self <[email protected]> wrote:
> I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging
> pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or even
> smack in the frigging middle.
Regardless of how nice the font is, why would you assume that anyone
visiting your site has it installed on their computer?
That's just silly.
djb
--
"Modern technology has enabled us to communicate and organize with speed and
efficiency never before possible. People have gotten less competent to
compensate for this." - CW
In article <[email protected]>, Leon
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe because 95% of all computers come with many of the same common fonts.
BD Westside is installled on 95% of computers? Wow. I Did Not Know That.
I also think it's Not So.
djb
--
The moral difference between a soldier and a civilian is that the soldier
accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic of which he
is a member. The civilian does not. Robert A. Heinlein
In article <[email protected]>, Greg G.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Not to be argumentative, but that is why I said "if you will use Style
> Sheets, changes to your fonts are trivial and site wide".
An excellent example of using style sheets is at
http://www.csszengarden.com/
djb
--
The moral difference between a soldier and a civilian is that the soldier
accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic of which he
is a member. The civilian does not. Robert A. Heinlein
Charles Self wrote:
> "Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
> news:031220051210511451%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>, P van
>> Rijckevorsel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> In the page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/Hardwood.html
>>> the title overlaps the text (Netscape 7)
>>> PvR
>>> * * *'
>>
>> And in <http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html> the inline
>> pics overlap the text above them.
>>
> Which is probably going to stay that way. I brought it up on my laptop, one
> of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the headline
> overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other machines not
> offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines. Thus, when my BD
> Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased
> tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in this
> old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
>
> I dunno what to do about the rest: my laptop only has 128 megs, so working
> up the site, dealing with AOL's asininities, and putting up photos is
> something it won't do. I can't check. The rest of my machines work fine with
> it.
>
> I'll keep piddling, but I doubt it will ever be exactly right for everyone
> unless I set the whole thing in 14 pt. Arial, which ain't gonna happen. I
> use that type face a lot, but it is a curse when it is on a web site as a
> replacement text because point for point it is probably 20% larger than
> almost any other typeface.
>
> It is a good lesson in why so many web sites have to go with flash and other
> crap: stable, stationary layouts do not exist as they do in the print world.
>
>
It looks fine on mine, and I like that piece of chinaberry you were
resawing.
--
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Charles Self said:
>
>"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Charles Self said:
>>
>>>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>>
>> Most of it looks pretty good. However, while the "The Basics of Wood"
>> page looks fine, the "Selecting & Buying Wood" page is all messed up.
>>
>> Since not many people have the font you used for the page layout, why
>> not consider using a more common font? Or allow the page to download
>> the font, if it isn't restricted by copyright issues.
>>
>> Content looks great, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet..
>>
>
>BD WestSide isn't all that uncommon, but as noted, it apparently is an
>undersized font. I downsized it considerably and moved the head a bit to see
>how that works.
>
>No idea what copyright issues would be involved.
>
>Someone else commented on the font being on many machines: I think it is
>common with either WordPerfect or Word, both of which I have loaded, so
>should be in many machines. If what I've done now doesn't straighten it out,
>I'll have to change, say Times Roman or Arial (but Arial is larger than TR,
>too).
>
>I don't want to use 57 fonts per page, but I've used the WestSide throughout
>in headers and had no problems until these two pages. Got another page, on
>handplanes, almost ready to go up. For consistency, I'll need to go back and
>change the others, if I can't work this out. Pfui. I do NOT like the way
>Arial looks as a large header.
I understand. There is an Arial Black that is thicker when at large
point sizes... Courier looks like crap, but most systems come with
the Lucida font as well.
WestSide must be a WordPerfect font, because I have two versions of
Office Professional Developer on my system, along with hundreds of
other programs and a few games, and still do not have that font...
There is a font viewer utility on your system that will allow you to
view all installed fonts. Unfortunately, it does not tell you which
program littered your hard drive with the hundreds of unused fonts you
probably don't use or want... <g>
You could create a GIF of the header with the desired font and
download as a picture, but that is slower for those dial-up types.
HTML is much faster...
And lastly, if you will use Style Sheets, changes to your fonts are
trivial and site wide - Look for help on "CSS". You give styles names
like Header1 and Header2, etc, and there is a .css file that contains
the definitions. Edit the definition, the whole site changes with it.
It was designed for just such problems...
FWIW,
Greg G.
In the page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/Hardwood.html
the title overlaps the text (Netscape 7)
PvR
* * *
"Bob S" <[email protected]> schreef
> Charlie,
> Just noticed on this page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html
> that the picture covers the word Wood on my browser - IE6. Nice looking
> site.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
> >site: www.charlieselfonline.com
> > --
> > Charlie Self
> > Writer/Photographer
> > www.charlieselfonline.com
Leon said:
>
>"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Windoze comes with only about 6 standard scaleable fonts, and sets
>> equivalencies for other common styles. The computer font world and
>> the printing business are _worlds_ apart...
>
>
>And those 6 fonts would be the ones that I am talking about.
And your point is what? My point was to _use_ one of these std fonts.
His page is using an off-the-wall font known as BD WestSide.
But he doesn't like the look of the STD fonts, and has chosen to use
the aforementioned font instead. It doesn't match up to anything and
there are no built in equivalencies for it. I have hundreds of TT and
OT fonts and I don't have it either. So the pages are wonkered in
several browsers, including MSIE and Konqueror on Linux.
FWIW,
Greg G.
"Greg G." <[email protected]> schreef
> You could create a GIF of the header with the desired font and
> download as a picture, but that is slower for those dial-up types.
> HTML is much faster...
>
> And lastly, if you will use Style Sheets, changes to your fonts are
> trivial and site wide - Look for help on "CSS". You give styles names
> like Header1 and Header2, etc, and there is a .css file that contains
> the definitions. Edit the definition, the whole site changes with it.
> It was designed for just such problems...
***
CSS may make it easier to manage such things but by themselves won't solve
problems.
However, it is quite possible to select more than one font for any
particular heading and make a list of first-preferred font, second-preferred
font, third-preferred font, etc which the browser will all try to apply
before going to the default font.
PvR
"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon said:
>
>>
>>"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
>>news:031220051736414420%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Charles Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging
>>>> pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or
>>>> even
>>>> smack in the frigging middle.
>>>
>>> Regardless of how nice the font is, why would you assume that anyone
>>> visiting your site has it installed on their computer?
>>
>>
>>Maybe because 95% of all computers come with many of the same common
>>fonts.
>
> Windoze comes with only about 6 standard scaleable fonts, and sets
> equivalencies for other common styles. The computer font world and
> the printing business are _worlds_ apart...
Yeah, but I'm not in the printing business. The fonts installed on my
machine are common fonts...hell, I'd love to ditch some of them, but, as
usual, that's a PITA, and the little accessory programs that supposedly help
out mostly work nicely until you discover the fonts are still present. I'm
pretty sure that the font I used came from either Word or WordPerfect,
though it might have been from PhotoShop Elements or PaintShop Pro,not
exactly uncommon programs these days.
P van Rijckevorsel said:
>"Greg G." <[email protected]> schreef
>> You could create a GIF of the header with the desired font and
>> download as a picture, but that is slower for those dial-up types.
>> HTML is much faster...
>>
>> And lastly, if you will use Style Sheets, changes to your fonts are
>> trivial and site wide - Look for help on "CSS". You give styles names
>> like Header1 and Header2, etc, and there is a .css file that contains
>> the definitions. Edit the definition, the whole site changes with it.
>> It was designed for just such problems...
>
>***
>CSS may make it easier to manage such things but by themselves won't solve
>problems.
Not to be argumentative, but that is why I said "if you will use Style
Sheets, changes to your fonts are trivial and site wide".
I didn't claim it would solve his layout problem, which stems from the
use of absolute positioning with layers.
It simply makes site wide changes to fonts easier than editing 30
pages manually. I do this for a living... ASP, HTML, JAVA, etc.
:-)
FWIW,
Greg G.
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 08:06:44 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]>
scribbled:
>"Charles Self" wrote in message
>
>>That is, you'll note that if you go back to the site.
>
>Mighty fine. Most of us are definitely ego-centric when it comes to our
>sites ... it's refreshing to see a more balanced approach.
I'm not. I know mine is crappy, but I did it all myself, hard coded
using a text editor. Just like all those projects on ABPW. :-)
Luigi
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html
www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/antifaq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Woodworking
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:031220051736414420%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Charles Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging
>> pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or even
>> smack in the frigging middle.
>
> Regardless of how nice the font is, why would you assume that anyone
> visiting your site has it installed on their computer?
Maybe because 95% of all computers come with many of the same common fonts.
Charlie,
Just noticed on this page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html
that the picture covers the word Wood on my browser - IE6. Nice looking
site.
Bob S.
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>
> --
> Charlie Self
> Writer/Photographer
> www.charlieselfonline.com
>
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Charles Self" wrote in message
>
>> My wife calls it my Indian hair. You'd have to see a picture of my father
> to
>> really understand, I guess, but he was about 1/2 Injun somewhere along
>> the
>> line in the Oklahoma branch of the family. The way he looked, it might
> have
>> been closer to 99%.
>
> Met an 82 year old lady a couple of weeks back whose hair was thick and
> dark
> brown. I originally thought it was dyed, but later in the conversation her
> husband mentioned her hair. She was part Cherokee, and apparently her
> whole
> family has never turned grey.
>
> FWIW, I use both Firefox and MSIE 6, with the former being default.
>
> With Firefox the "P" in "Photo and Words" is obscured by the Pentax camera
> jpg, all the other pages/images/text combinations looks fine.
>
> With MSIE the Pentax camera jpg is not a problem on that page, but the
> UsefulInfo.html page, which has a large number of issues with the bold
> text
> headers superimposed over other text, is basically unreadable.
>
> The content of that page is so superb that it's a shame it is obscured to
> a
> great degree for MSIE users, which, like it or not, is the most used web
> browser on the net.
>
> Just my .02 ...
>
> ... as an old "virtual notepad" html coder in the early days of the web
> (basically moved on to other things just after "cascading style sheets"
> were
> introduced) who hasn't run a "view source" in a few years, it is amazing
> the
> number of useless tags generated by the supposedly WYSIWYG html "editors"
> these days ... and I thought FrontPage was bad.
If I were sure what tags were useless...and so on, but the only way I can
see to tell is to spend a lot more time fiddling with the HTML than I have
to spare.
I have taken someone's suggestion, though, and changed the major headers to
JPEGs. I unthinkingly started another page, though, on hand planes, and that
is almost ready to go, minus about a dozen photos I need to shoot late in
the week. So I'm in a quandary. It's either put up an unillustrated,
incomplete page, or sit on all the changes until next weekend, in the hope I
have time to spend my bit of weekly shop time with a camera in one hand.
"Charles Self" wrote in message
> My wife calls it my Indian hair. You'd have to see a picture of my father
to
> really understand, I guess, but he was about 1/2 Injun somewhere along the
> line in the Oklahoma branch of the family. The way he looked, it might
have
> been closer to 99%.
Met an 82 year old lady a couple of weeks back whose hair was thick and dark
brown. I originally thought it was dyed, but later in the conversation her
husband mentioned her hair. She was part Cherokee, and apparently her whole
family has never turned grey.
FWIW, I use both Firefox and MSIE 6, with the former being default.
With Firefox the "P" in "Photo and Words" is obscured by the Pentax camera
jpg, all the other pages/images/text combinations looks fine.
With MSIE the Pentax camera jpg is not a problem on that page, but the
UsefulInfo.html page, which has a large number of issues with the bold text
headers superimposed over other text, is basically unreadable.
The content of that page is so superb that it's a shame it is obscured to a
great degree for MSIE users, which, like it or not, is the most used web
browser on the net.
Just my .02 ...
... as an old "virtual notepad" html coder in the early days of the web
(basically moved on to other things just after "cascading style sheets" were
introduced) who hasn't run a "view source" in a few years, it is amazing the
number of useless tags generated by the supposedly WYSIWYG html "editors"
these days ... and I thought FrontPage was bad.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 11/06/05
The site looks fine to me, I don't see the problems others
have mentioned and I'm using IE6 also.
Chinaberry?? My experience with this has been terrible
as it splits if you just look at it. Way too brittle, pith like
cotton, and a bland figure. What am I missing? Or is it
just that the wood I tried grew in Phoenix and that climate
made it crap?
Art
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
> site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>
> --
> Charlie Self
> Writer/Photographer
> www.charlieselfonline.com
>
>
"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greg G. said:
>
>>Charles Self said:
>>
>>>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>
>
> Oh, yeah - another minor observation...
>
> As I bookmarked the page I noticed it had the name "Home".
> Giving the pages a descriptive name helps when bookmarking.
>
> Like "Charles Self's Home Page".
>
> FWIW,
>
Thanks. I'll see what SiteBuilder lets me do. I learn a bit more about SB
daily, so will probably find a way, some time later this morning.
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
Nice site Charlie. One of the pictures looked like a target hit by a wad
cutter in a couple of places. Closer inspection revealed sand paper. ;~)
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Which is probably going to stay that way. I brought it up on my laptop,
> one of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the
> headline overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other
> machines not offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines.
Can you use a more common text/font that is more likely to be on most
computers? A Courier font for instance? Or am I way off here?
"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Windoze comes with only about 6 standard scaleable fonts, and sets
> equivalencies for other common styles. The computer font world and
> the printing business are _worlds_ apart...
And those 6 fonts would be the ones that I am talking about.
"Greg G." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charles Self said:
>
>>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>
> Most of it looks pretty good. However, while the "The Basics of Wood"
> page looks fine, the "Selecting & Buying Wood" page is all messed up.
>
> Since not many people have the font you used for the page layout, why
> not consider using a more common font? Or allow the page to download
> the font, if it isn't restricted by copyright issues.
>
> Content looks great, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet..
>
BD WestSide isn't all that uncommon, but as noted, it apparently is an
undersized font. I downsized it considerably and moved the head a bit to see
how that works.
No idea what copyright issues would be involved.
Someone else commented on the font being on many machines: I think it is
common with either WordPerfect or Word, both of which I have loaded, so
should be in many machines. If what I've done now doesn't straighten it out,
I'll have to change, say Times Roman or Arial (but Arial is larger than TR,
too).
I don't want to use 57 fonts per page, but I've used the WestSide throughout
in headers and had no problems until these two pages. Got another page, on
handplanes, almost ready to go up. For consistency, I'll need to go back and
change the others, if I can't work this out. Pfui. I do NOT like the way
Arial looks as a large header.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Charles Self" wrote in message
>
>>That is, you'll note that if you go back to the site.
>
> Mighty fine. Most of us are definitely ego-centric when it comes to our
> sites ... it's refreshing to see a more balanced approach.
I want to eventually balance the site between selling my books and my
services. I'm starting with the services because so darned many of my books
are now out of print. By late mid-year next, that will change a little bit.
I hope. The kind of raising I got doesn't make me comfortable with tooting
my own horn, but these days, there's no other way.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
>> It looks real good to me, Charlie.
>>
>> 'cept for that old bearded guy leaning on the Bosch.
>>
>> You just gotta start hiring bwetter lookin' models ;-]...
>
> Yabbut, how come Marines always manage to hang on to their hair?
>
My wife calls it my Indian hair. You'd have to see a picture of my father to
really understand, I guess, but he was about 1/2 Injun somewhere along the
line in the Oklahoma branch of the family. The way he looked, it might have
been closer to 99%.
Anyway, it used to be really thick, as the shot of me on the OSSA shows. Of
course, that was nearly 35 years ago.
"Bob S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Charlie,
>
> Just noticed on this page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html
> that the picture covers the word Wood on my browser - IE6. Nice looking
> site.
>
> Bob S.
>
>
> "Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
All I can say is, whoops. I've got three machines here, and it is fine on
all of them. Dunno what to do to change it.
"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:031220051210511451%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, P van
> Rijckevorsel <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In the page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/Hardwood.html
>> the title overlaps the text (Netscape 7)
>> PvR
>> * * *'
>
> And in <http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html> the inline
> pics overlap the text above them.
>
Which is probably going to stay that way. I brought it up on my laptop, one
of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the headline
overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other machines not
offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines. Thus, when my BD
Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased
tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in this
old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
I dunno what to do about the rest: my laptop only has 128 megs, so working
up the site, dealing with AOL's asininities, and putting up photos is
something it won't do. I can't check. The rest of my machines work fine with
it.
I'll keep piddling, but I doubt it will ever be exactly right for everyone
unless I set the whole thing in 14 pt. Arial, which ain't gonna happen. I
use that type face a lot, but it is a curse when it is on a web site as a
replacement text because point for point it is probably 20% larger than
almost any other typeface.
It is a good lesson in why so many web sites have to go with flash and other
crap: stable, stationary layouts do not exist as they do in the print world.
"Charles Self" wrote in message
> the week. So I'm in a quandary. It's either put up an unillustrated,
> incomplete page, or sit on all the changes until next weekend, in the hope
I
> have time to spend my bit of weekly shop time with a camera in one hand.
Just my opinion, but a note at the top that the page is under construction
and is incomplete, so check back later, will insure that most interested in
the first place will re-visit.
All in all, a damn good design concept - lots of INFORMATION, with no
whiz/bling/bang/flash to detract for those not suffering from ADD.
In short, it's doing what you want it to do ... and that is ALL that counts.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 11/06/05
Greg G. said:
>Charles Self said:
>
>>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>
>OK - I notice that while all us experts were over in the corner
>arguing over fonts and CSS and such, you were working on your site...
>
>It now displays correctly on MSIE, Konqueror and Firefox. Don't own
>one of those wussy overpriced Macs, so I can't comment there... <g>
>Although you have retained the use of explicitly positioned layers, I
>believe you can call it a success...
>
>Now maybe I can actually READ the darned thing...
>
>Good Job.
I read over more of the material tonight, and other than a few
observations such as "chinchy" vs. "chintzy" and other such regional
semantics, it looks great. I assume you are still working on the
"Handplanes" page, as it still has problems with the location of the
pictures overlapping the text.
I might suggest that the links that open up off-site links be changed
to include the command: target = "_blank". This will open a new
browser window or tab instead of navigating away from your site when
someone clicks a link. You might consider doing this with the
enlarged pop-up photos as well.
An example would be the publisher link on the home page:
<a href="http://www.FoxChapelPublishing.com" target="_blank">
FWIW, JMHO, etc.
Greg G.
In article <[email protected]>,
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
> site: www.charlieselfonline.com
Looks good on Safari (Mac) in most cases.
http://www.charlieselfonline.com/aboutus.html the thumbnails are low
res, but expand nicely. Same problem on other pages. You may have to
create 72 DPI thumbnails and link your images to them. Just scaling them
looks bad.
Your hardwood page has no left margin. I noticed another page or two
with no/limited margins on the left side.
Resumé header has the accent in the wrong direction. It is aigu, not
grave.
Also, changing the window sizes triggers the bottom scroll bar. Another
way to do that is as I do on http://www.topworks.ca/faqframe.html
The text simply re-justifies itself (up to a point).
All in all, the site does the job, it informs nicely.
Dave Balderstone said:
>In article <[email protected]>, Greg G.
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not to be argumentative, but that is why I said "if you will use Style
>> Sheets, changes to your fonts are trivial and site wide".
>
>An excellent example of using style sheets is at
>http://www.csszengarden.com/
Wow.
That is probably the most effective demonstration of cascading style
sheets I have ever seen! Really puts thing into perspective!
Greg G.
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 14:00:30 GMT, "Charles Self"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
It looks real good to me, Charlie.
'cept for that old bearded guy leaning on the Bosch.
You just gotta start hiring bwetter lookin' models ;-]...
Seriously though - the site looks great.
Tom Watson - WoodDorker
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/ (website)
Greg G. said:
>Charles Self said:
>
>>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
Oh, yeah - another minor observation...
As I bookmarked the page I noticed it had the name "Home".
Giving the pages a descriptive name helps when bookmarking.
Like "Charles Self's Home Page".
FWIW,
Greg G.
Charles Self said:
>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
Most of it looks pretty good. However, while the "The Basics of Wood"
page looks fine, the "Selecting & Buying Wood" page is all messed up.
Since not many people have the font you used for the page layout, why
not consider using a more common font? Or allow the page to download
the font, if it isn't restricted by copyright issues.
Content looks great, but I haven't had a chance to read it yet..
JMHO,
Greg G.
Leon said:
>
>"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
>news:031220051736414420%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Charles Self <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging
>>> pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or even
>>> smack in the frigging middle.
>>
>> Regardless of how nice the font is, why would you assume that anyone
>> visiting your site has it installed on their computer?
>
>
>Maybe because 95% of all computers come with many of the same common fonts.
Windoze comes with only about 6 standard scaleable fonts, and sets
equivalencies for other common styles. The computer font world and
the printing business are _worlds_ apart...
Greg G.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:MJlkf.26757$q%[email protected]...
>
> "Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Which is probably going to stay that way. I brought it up on my laptop,
>> one of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the
>> headline overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other
>> machines not offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines.
>
> Can you use a more common text/font that is more likely to be on most
> computers? A Courier font for instance? Or am I way off here?
>
The ONLY font used that is not common, though it really is, is the BD
Westside. The rest is Arial.
Arial was the default on-line for most machines...I don't even know if
Courier will come up on-line. I've sure never seen it and never hope to.
Times Roman won't do, because then machines that default to Arial, as many
seem to, will pop up with stuff all over the place, because Arial is, as I
said, about 20% larger.
I guess I change the headers to Arial, but a bit later. What a frigging
pity. It's a decent font, but it is sure not the be-all, end-all or even
smack in the frigging middle.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>> site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>
> Looks good on Safari (Mac) in most cases.
>
> http://www.charlieselfonline.com/aboutus.html the thumbnails are low
> res, but expand nicely. Same problem on other pages. You may have to
> create 72 DPI thumbnails and link your images to them. Just scaling them
> looks bad.
I don't know if it's possible with this program. I can check.
>
> Your hardwood page has no left margin. I noticed another page or two
> with no/limited margins on the left side.
Hey, they go out of here with margins. I guess this indicates that placement
isn't going to stay sensible, no matter what.
>
> Resumé header has the accent in the wrong direction. It is aigu, not
> grave.
Sheeit. That's off Word's list. I left it off totally at first, and Larry
Jaques caught it. Shit. I don't put the accent on my hard copy resumes, so
I'll just dump it again. Frenchified nonsense anyway. In truth, it had been
so long since I'd used it, I forgot it existed--the accent, that is.
> Also, changing the window sizes triggers the bottom scroll bar. Another
> way to do that is as I do on http://www.topworks.ca/faqframe.html
> The text simply re-justifies itself (up to a point).
>
> All in all, the site does the job, it informs nicely.
Thanks. I'll keep pecking at it. In a year or two, it might be right!
In article <[email protected]>,
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thus, when my BD
> Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased
> tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in this
> old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
You could set up the titles as pictures - use your font on a white
background in an image editing program like PhotoShop. Then call up that
jpeg or gif as an image in the page layout. This way it wouldn't matter
how the viewer's machine sees fonts, it'll size perfectly since it's no
longer a font.
--
Owen Lowe
The Fly-by-Night Copper Company
__________
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
Corporate States of America and to the
Republicans for which it stands, one nation,
under debt, easily divisible, with liberty
and justice for oil."
- Wiley Miller, Non Sequitur, 1/24/05
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:26:00 +0000, Charles Self wrote:
> Thus,
> when my BD Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size
> increased tremendously.
Ouch! I'll have to see if the Linux fonts do the same thing. Come to
think of it, they did when I read your site under Linux.
As one who
started his working life as a printer, it's really irritating to hear that
kind of thing. 72pt should be 72pt regardless of font.
I'm guessing, but I suspect the Westside font is undersized, since Arial
is such a common font.
On Sun, 04 Dec 2005 11:25:36 -0600, Swingman wrote:
> ... as an old "virtual notepad" html coder in the early days of the web
> (basically moved on to other things just after "cascading style sheets"
> were introduced) who hasn't run a "view source" in a few years, it is
> amazing the number of useless tags generated by the supposedly WYSIWYG
> html "editors" these days ... and I thought FrontPage was bad.
I was a programmer for many decades, but after retiring I didn't wnat to
learn yet another langusge. Nor did I want to use vendor-specific
extensions on my web pages. I tried a few different HTML programs and
settled on Netscape Composer (AKA Mozilla Composer). I never really
looked to see how good the HTML generation was, but I know it was the
simplest (non-vendor-specific) program I found with the capabilities I
needed.
No, I don't own stock in the product, I just pass along my experience
hoping it may help others.
On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 18:26:00 GMT, "Charles Self" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Charlie..
I do a few sites for folks and have many of the same problems that you
encounter..
One easy though non-artistic short cut is to stick to arial and times roman as
much as you can, assuming that most folks have those fonts on their
computers....
Other issues are different screen resolutions and different browsers.... One of
my clients love Netscape, so I have to optimize it for that POS and view it on
NS to see the same thing that he's seeing... different line spacing, etc. than
other browsers..
>
>"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
>news:031220051210511451%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
>> In article <[email protected]>, P van
>> Rijckevorsel <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> In the page http://www.charlieselfonline.com/Hardwood.html
>>> the title overlaps the text (Netscape 7)
>>> PvR
>>> * * *'
>>
>> And in <http://www.charlieselfonline.com/UsefulInfo.html> the inline
>> pics overlap the text above them.
>>
>Which is probably going to stay that way. I brought it up on my laptop, one
>of the more irritating machines in my life, and discovered the headline
>overlaps. Those are caused, as is the rest of it, by other machines not
>offering exactly the same text I used in the headlines. Thus, when my BD
>Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased
>tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in this
>old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
>
>I dunno what to do about the rest: my laptop only has 128 megs, so working
>up the site, dealing with AOL's asininities, and putting up photos is
>something it won't do. I can't check. The rest of my machines work fine with
>it.
>
>I'll keep piddling, but I doubt it will ever be exactly right for everyone
>unless I set the whole thing in 14 pt. Arial, which ain't gonna happen. I
>use that type face a lot, but it is a curse when it is on a web site as a
>replacement text because point for point it is probably 20% larger than
>almost any other typeface.
>
>It is a good lesson in why so many web sites have to go with flash and other
>crap: stable, stationary layouts do not exist as they do in the print world.
>
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
Charles Self said:
>I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>site: www.charlieselfonline.com
OK - I notice that while all us experts were over in the corner
arguing over fonts and CSS and such, you were working on your site...
It now displays correctly on MSIE, Konqueror and Firefox. Don't own
one of those wussy overpriced Macs, so I can't comment there... <g>
Although you have retained the use of explicitly positioned layers, I
believe you can call it a success...
Now maybe I can actually READ the darned thing...
Good Job.
FWIW,
Greg G.
"Fly-by-Night CC" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Thus, when my BD
>> Westside 72 pt. heads came up as 72 pt. Arial, the size increased
>> tremendously. I shrunk those down to 48 pts, which looks like shit in
>> this
>> old print guy's estimation, but is the only way to get it in.
>
> You could set up the titles as pictures - use your font on a white
> background in an image editing program like PhotoShop. Then call up that
> jpeg or gif as an image in the page layout. This way it wouldn't matter
> how the viewer's machine sees fonts, it'll size perfectly since it's no
> longer a font.
> --
I like it. When time permits, I hope later today as I'm assembling things
for the next page, I'll give that a try...for the next page, which probably
won't go up for a week or so. I've got to do some real work today and the
rest of the week or I'll have a publisher or two ready to choke me.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Charles Self" wrote in message
>
>> the week. So I'm in a quandary. It's either put up an unillustrated,
>> incomplete page, or sit on all the changes until next weekend, in the
>> hope
> I
>> have time to spend my bit of weekly shop time with a camera in one hand.
>
> Just my opinion, but a note at the top that the page is under construction
> and is incomplete, so check back later, will insure that most interested
> in
> the first place will re-visit.
>
> All in all, a damn good design concept - lots of INFORMATION, with no
> whiz/bling/bang/flash to detract for those not suffering from ADD.
>
> In short, it's doing what you want it to do ... and that is ALL that
> counts.
>
Thank you. You'll note that I followed your advice...before I read your
post. That is, you'll note that if you go back to the site.
"Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "Charles Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I invite anyone interested to check out this morning's changes to my web
>>> site: www.charlieselfonline.com
>>
>> Looks good on Safari (Mac) in most cases.
>>
>> http://www.charlieselfonline.com/aboutus.html the thumbnails are low
>> res, but expand nicely. Same problem on other pages. You may have to
>> create 72 DPI thumbnails and link your images to them. Just scaling them
>> looks bad.
>
> I don't know if it's possible with this program. I can check.
>>
>> Your hardwood page has no left margin. I noticed another page or two
>> with no/limited margins on the left side.
>
> Hey, they go out of here with margins. I guess this indicates that
> placement isn't going to stay sensible, no matter what.
>>
>> Resumé header has the accent in the wrong direction. It is aigu, not
>> grave.
>
> Sheeit. That's off Word's list. I left it off totally at first, and Larry
> Jaques caught it. Shit. I don't put the accent on my hard copy resumes, so
> I'll just dump it again. Frenchified nonsense anyway. In truth, it had
> been so long since I'd used it, I forgot it existed--the accent, that is.
>
>> Also, changing the window sizes triggers the bottom scroll bar. Another
>> way to do that is as I do on http://www.topworks.ca/faqframe.html
>> The text simply re-justifies itself (up to a point).
>>
>> All in all, the site does the job, it informs nicely.
>
> Thanks. I'll keep pecking at it. In a year or two, it might be right!
I think I see the problem with the left margin. That's my fault, as I was
working with limited space and didn't want to make cuts.
I'll see what I can do later.