A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos when
writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
owners, etc.,
I take my own videos and use a couple of different programs, now
mostly Nero to convert different formats to .vob and the
embedded .bups and all the other files and embeds that allow
different format files to play on a DVD player. Works like a champ.
I edit, trim, adjust view angles, compress, transcode, convert, etc,
and put the video on DVD with a menu.
Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level. He
has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need to
be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
computer, and since this will probably be going to court the courtroom
will have a DVD player ready to go.
So motormouth (also known as me) tells his contractor buddy that "for
a fee" I will convert his video, set up a logo background on his DVD,
and include live menu buttons to access different job site areas. He
is thrilled as the attorney he is doing this for wants to be able to
distribute the DVD as a pre-emptive strike to all concerned parties
to see if they can all settle out of court. So of course, he wants
the most professional looking video possible.
The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site video
in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
I have tried numerous other programs, since I had problems with Nero
in the conversion. Nero did the best video conversion, but the actual
sound won't sync 100% and ruins the narration - AND, to boot, one of
the vid files was only 27 minutes ling and Nero took an hour and 40
minutes to transcode, build the DVD structure, file sturcture, the
menu buttons and burn. Others are certainly faster, but the video on
some, especially the fastest ones, really stinks.
I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are no
hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
programs closed.
I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
embarrass me and my friend.
I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does anyone
here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get me
out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly rated
converters and am just about out of patience.
Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
Robert
On Jul 18, 12:21 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> It seems that translating formats is kind of like language
> translation. A perfect result is elusive to the point of nonexistence
> and you wind up just doing the best you can.
In some cases, I think you are right. In this case though, you may be
spot on. It is disappointing though that in this day and age someone
can't come up with a program that manages the little Xs and 0s that
make up digital code into something easy to use with a good output.
> Here's a link to the trial version. It says it is a rescticted
> version but does not go into detai about said restrictions.
>http://cdn.pinnaclesys.com/Supportfiles/Studio10Trial.exe
> Regards, Tom.
Thanks for the input and response, Tom.
Robert
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:38:03 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 18, 12:21 pm, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It seems that translating formats is kind of like language
>> translation. A perfect result is elusive to the point of nonexistence
>> and you wind up just doing the best you can.
>
>In some cases, I think you are right. In this case though, you may be
>spot on. It is disappointing though that in this day and age someone
>can't come up with a program that manages the little Xs and 0s that
>make up digital code into something easy to use with a good output.
>
>
>> Here's a link to the trial version. It says it is a rescticted
>> version but does not go into detai about said restrictions.
>>http://cdn.pinnaclesys.com/Supportfiles/Studio10Trial.exe
>> Regards, Tom.
>
>Thanks for the input and response, Tom.
>
>Robert
My pleasure.
I'll be interested to see how it turns out.
Some of my most frustrating moments have involved dealing with video.
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote in news:0cd9ca82-
[email protected]:
*snip: Video conversion and WMV problems*
>
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
> Robert
>
One of your last resort approaches might be to play the video and re-record
it back to the computer using a TV tuner card. This will give you the
ability to save the video in a different format, at least.
Wish I could be more helpful, but the programs I use handle either MPEG or
WMV, but not both. (Avidemux and Windows Movie Maker.) There's a WMV
plugin for VirtualDub, but I haven't used it to know if it works.
Good luck!
Puckdropper
--
If you're quiet, your teeth never touch your ankles.
To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:30:05 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site
>> video
>> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
>> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
>> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
>>
>>Does
>> anyone
>> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get
>> me
>> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly
>> rated
>> converters and am just about out of patience.
>
>If you're running Vista Home Premium or Vista Ultimate, try Windows
>Movie Maker/Windows DVD Maker, that's included and is intended
>specifically to work with WMV.
>
>Also, see if you can find out what brand and model of camera he's
>using and if so, see if the manufacturer has a conversion package.
>
>It may just be a pathological file that can't be fixed without major
>effort.
>
>
>--
The Pinnacle Studio 11 software that I use handles this conversion.
You could also try running the .wmv file through a capture card/cable
like the Pinnacle 710 USB, that will make the conversion from the
source.
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
On Jul 18, 6:30 am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you're running Vista Home Premium or Vista Ultimate, try Windows
> Movie Maker/Windows DVD Maker, that's included and is intended
> specifically to work with WMV.
There's a thought...
I haven't changed to Vista, but I have a computer with Windows Media
Center on it, which has WMM. That's one I haven't tried. Already
have it, too....
> Also, see if you can find out what brand and model of camera he's
> using and if so, see if the manufacturer has a conversion package.
All he got with his cam was transfer software from some company as a
promo, with no transcoding capabilities.
> It may just be a pathological file that can't be fixed without major
> effort.
Sadly, after using the dedicated programs that I have on this movie, I
am beginning to think I am asking too much. Further readings have
revealed that not only am I asking the software to transcode to a
different format and file structure, but it is decompressing and
compressing a LOT more than I thought it was.
I am not ready to chalk this one up to a learning experience, but I
may never get what I want for the final product due to the limits of
the original format. I am remembering the old saying "you can't make
a silk purse out of a sow's ear".
It looks great on the computer, but there really isn't much of a point
in shooting in high res WMV if you can only watch it on a computer or
on a computer based display system.
Robert
On Jul 18, 2:52=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
<snip>
> Any suggestions? =A0Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
> Robert
Hi Robert,
I use Super (c) video encoder. It's basically a menu based front end
for utilities like ffmpeg that Andrew mentioned. Much easier to use.
You can pretty much convert any format to any other format. It won't
burn the DVD for you but it will create DVD compatible VOB files.
You'll still need software to build your menu and burn the disc. I
use Super (c) all the time. Best part: it's absolutely FREE. Go here
to get it:
http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
The web site navagation is goofy and a real pain. But, it's well
worth the effort.
Ed Bennett
www.tablesawalignment.com
If the video is on a web site, I think you can download it in a compressed
or alternate format using the most recent RealPlayer... But I'm not sure
and furthermore, not sure that would help any.
Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
V8013-R
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos when
> writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
> owners, etc.,
>
> I take my own videos and use a couple of different programs, now
> mostly Nero to convert different formats to .vob and the
> embedded .bups and all the other files and embeds that allow
> different format files to play on a DVD player. Works like a champ.
> I edit, trim, adjust view angles, compress, transcode, convert, etc,
> and put the video on DVD with a menu.
>
> Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
> contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
> than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level. He
> has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need to
> be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
> However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
> computer, and since this will probably be going to court the courtroom
> will have a DVD player ready to go.
>
> So motormouth (also known as me) tells his contractor buddy that "for
> a fee" I will convert his video, set up a logo background on his DVD,
> and include live menu buttons to access different job site areas. He
> is thrilled as the attorney he is doing this for wants to be able to
> distribute the DVD as a pre-emptive strike to all concerned parties
> to see if they can all settle out of court. So of course, he wants
> the most professional looking video possible.
>
> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site video
> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
>
> I have tried numerous other programs, since I had problems with Nero
> in the conversion. Nero did the best video conversion, but the actual
> sound won't sync 100% and ruins the narration - AND, to boot, one of
> the vid files was only 27 minutes ling and Nero took an hour and 40
> minutes to transcode, build the DVD structure, file sturcture, the
> menu buttons and burn. Others are certainly faster, but the video on
> some, especially the fastest ones, really stinks.
>
> I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
> programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
> right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
> hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are no
> hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
> slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
> to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
> programs closed.
>
> I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
> embarrass me and my friend.
>
> I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
> never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does anyone
> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get me
> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly rated
> converters and am just about out of patience.
>
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
> Robert
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
On Jul 18, 7:00 am, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
> The Pinnacle Studio 11 software that I use handles this conversion.
How is the quality? Does it actually come out in DVD (720 X 4XX)
quality? That would be great if it did.
> You could also try running the .wmv file through a capture card/cable
> like the Pinnacle 710 USB, that will make the conversion from the
> source.
I tried that before, and the quality of the video was greatly
reduced. I think the converting of formats on the fly was more than
the card could handle. It worked great for archiving VHS as the
output looked the same as input. Not so good in the all digital side.
I would be interested in what you think of the Pinnacle conversion
software feature though. Does it maintain a clear high res picture
after format conversion?
Robert
"Joe AutoDrill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If the video is on a web site, I think you can download it in a compressed
> or alternate format using the most recent RealPlayer... But I'm not sure
> and furthermore, not sure that would help any.
>
> Regards,
> Joe Agro, Jr.
> (800) 871-5022
> 01.908.542.0244
> Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
> Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
>
> V8013-R
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos when
>> writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
>> owners, etc.,
>>
>> I take my own videos and use a couple of different programs, now
>> mostly Nero to convert different formats to .vob and the
>> embedded .bups and all the other files and embeds that allow
>> different format files to play on a DVD player. Works like a champ.
>> I edit, trim, adjust view angles, compress, transcode, convert, etc,
>> and put the video on DVD with a menu.
>>
>> Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
>> contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
>> than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level. He
>> has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need to
>> be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
>> However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
>> computer, and since this will probably be going to court the courtroom
>> will have a DVD player ready to go.
>>
>> So motormouth (also known as me) tells his contractor buddy that "for
>> a fee" I will convert his video, set up a logo background on his DVD,
>> and include live menu buttons to access different job site areas. He
>> is thrilled as the attorney he is doing this for wants to be able to
>> distribute the DVD as a pre-emptive strike to all concerned parties
>> to see if they can all settle out of court. So of course, he wants
>> the most professional looking video possible.
>>
>> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site video
>> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
>> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
>> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
>>
>> I have tried numerous other programs, since I had problems with Nero
>> in the conversion. Nero did the best video conversion, but the actual
>> sound won't sync 100% and ruins the narration - AND, to boot, one of
>> the vid files was only 27 minutes ling and Nero took an hour and 40
>> minutes to transcode, build the DVD structure, file sturcture, the
>> menu buttons and burn. Others are certainly faster, but the video on
>> some, especially the fastest ones, really stinks.
>>
>> I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
>> programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
>> right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
>> hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are no
>> hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
>> slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
>> to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
>> programs closed.
>>
>> I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
>> embarrass me and my friend.
>>
>> I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
>> never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does anyone
>> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get me
>> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly rated
>> converters and am just about out of patience.
>>
>> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>>
>> Robert
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
I use Snagit and convert to a AVI file.
I use Pinnacle Studio 9+ or something like that. I generally convert
"problem" files to the highest res .avi I can make and then go from there.
Is it possible that the problem is in the limitations of your
graphics card, not the software? This is not a personal challenge, just
a thought. The last time I upgraded my Video software, I found that,
even though is was supposed to run on W2000, it would barely work at
all. So I had to get XP. Then I found that the computer would barely run
XP, so guess what was next?
Pete Stanaitis
--------------------------
[email protected] wrote:
> A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos when
> writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
> owners, etc.,
>
> I take my own videos and use a couple of different programs, now
> mostly Nero to convert different formats to .vob and the
> embedded .bups and all the other files and embeds that allow
> different format files to play on a DVD player. Works like a champ.
> I edit, trim, adjust view angles, compress, transcode, convert, etc,
> and put the video on DVD with a menu.
>
> Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
> contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
> than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level. He
> has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need to
> be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
> However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
> computer, and since this will probably be going to court the courtroom
> will have a DVD player ready to go.
>
> So motormouth (also known as me) tells his contractor buddy that "for
> a fee" I will convert his video, set up a logo background on his DVD,
> and include live menu buttons to access different job site areas. He
> is thrilled as the attorney he is doing this for wants to be able to
> distribute the DVD as a pre-emptive strike to all concerned parties
> to see if they can all settle out of court. So of course, he wants
> the most professional looking video possible.
>
> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site video
> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
>
> I have tried numerous other programs, since I had problems with Nero
> in the conversion. Nero did the best video conversion, but the actual
> sound won't sync 100% and ruins the narration - AND, to boot, one of
> the vid files was only 27 minutes ling and Nero took an hour and 40
> minutes to transcode, build the DVD structure, file sturcture, the
> menu buttons and burn. Others are certainly faster, but the video on
> some, especially the fastest ones, really stinks.
>
> I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
> programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
> right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
> hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are no
> hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
> slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
> to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
> programs closed.
>
> I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
> embarrass me and my friend.
>
> I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
> never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does anyone
> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get me
> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly rated
> converters and am just about out of patience.
>
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
> Robert
[email protected] wrote:
> A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos when
> writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
> owners, etc.,
>
... snip
>
> Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
> contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
> than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level. He
> has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need to
> be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
> However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
> computer, and since this will probably be going to court the courtroom
> will have a DVD player ready to go.
>
... snip
>
> I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
> embarrass me and my friend.
>
> I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
> never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does anyone
> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get me
> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly rated
> converters and am just about out of patience.
>
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
Not sure if this will help, but if you know someone with a mac, you might
try mac the ripper, then iMovie and iDVD. It may be that would give you
the control you need.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 07:30:05 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>If you're running Vista Home Premium or Vista Ultimate, try Windows
>Movie Maker/Windows DVD Maker, that's included and is intended
>specifically to work with WMV.
I've used WMM for this task frequently with generally good results.
The only red flag that I see is that when a file has un-synced audio
it usually remains that way. I convert from WMV to the highest
resolution AVI than use something else to get from AVI to DVD
(MPEG2?).
WMM is slow, however.
--
"We need to make a sacrifice to the gods, find me a young virgin... oh, and bring something to kill"
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos when
> writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
> owners, etc.,
>
> I take my own videos and use a couple of different programs, now
> mostly Nero to convert different formats to .vob and the
> embedded .bups and all the other files and embeds that allow
> different format files to play on a DVD player. Works like a champ.
> I edit, trim, adjust view angles, compress, transcode, convert, etc,
> and put the video on DVD with a menu.
>
> Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
> contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
> than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level. He
> has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need to
> be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
> However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
> computer, and since this will probably be going to court the courtroom
> will have a DVD player ready to go.
>
> So motormouth (also known as me) tells his contractor buddy that "for
> a fee" I will convert his video, set up a logo background on his DVD,
> and include live menu buttons to access different job site areas. He
> is thrilled as the attorney he is doing this for wants to be able to
> distribute the DVD as a pre-emptive strike to all concerned parties
> to see if they can all settle out of court. So of course, he wants
> the most professional looking video possible.
>
> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site video
> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
>
> I have tried numerous other programs, since I had problems with Nero
> in the conversion. Nero did the best video conversion, but the actual
> sound won't sync 100% and ruins the narration - AND, to boot, one of
> the vid files was only 27 minutes ling and Nero took an hour and 40
> minutes to transcode, build the DVD structure, file sturcture, the
> menu buttons and burn. Others are certainly faster, but the video on
> some, especially the fastest ones, really stinks.
>
> I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
> programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
> right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
> hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are no
> hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
> slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
> to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
> programs closed.
>
> I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
> embarrass me and my friend.
>
> I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
> never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does anyone
> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get me
> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly rated
> converters and am just about out of patience.
>
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
> Robert
Pinnacle Studio v. 11 or v.12 will handle wmv's exactly like an mpg with no
problem BUT(!)
(IMHO Studio is the best of consumer-grade software. And it's a $100 or so.
Pro-grade software rambles upwards towards a $1000 a copy, real quick)
1. There is a learning curve...
2. If the original input is screwed, the output will be screwed...For
instance, those FLV files on YouTube are compressed as hell when they are
created, and a simple conversion to another format is not going to increase
quality.
3. If the audio is out of sync, it can be re-synced BUT it's a time
consuming process..
(If the out of sync audio gets "progressively" worse through out the video,
you have to go back and "slice" the file into very small pieces and then
reset each audio track to each visual track. If the the entire video is out
of sync, say a half second slow, you can reset the entire audio track at one
time.)
4. If there is a color shift, it can be partially adjusted by Pinnacle, but
NOTHING is automatic... One of the Studio plugins will allow the
application of each color filter, BUT, it's very touchy and the results are
rarely fully satisfactory..
5. Did I mention there is a learning curve?
6. If you're intent on adding menu's chapters, then adjusting the color,
and the sound, remember that every single frame has to be completely rebuilt
and it's going to take lots of clock-cycles. Lots and lots of cycles.
7. For some of this stuff, you'd better have a pretty good video card
installed, otherwise, "hiccups" will be a constant plague.*
8. Studio handles WMV exactly like MPEG's. No conversion necessary. And
it'll create either a raw MPEG or a DVD-ready VOB disk on output. (Some DVD
players will play MPEG's direct. Some won't)
9. Some DVD players just don't like home-created DVD-R disks. Some DVD
players don't care. (My high-end Samsung resolutely refuses the -R disks,
but the super-cheap APEX will happily play them with nary a hiccup. Both
will play a +R disk recorded on the same machine, using the same software
and burner....go figure)
10. There is a VAST difference in the quality of the DVD disks, even among
the name-brands. Price is not a reliable indicator. I've ran up to a 25%
failure to burn rate with Memorex. Verbatim (In my experience) have about a
2% failure to burn rate.
11. The better the software, the longer the learning curve...
12. There is a difference between DVD-Menu's (which are used to select
various videos to play on a single disk) and Scene (Chapter) selection menus
for jumping around inside a single video.
Sometimes it is preferable to take a single video and then break it up into
several small videos.
*High end video cards are not a suggestion, they are a requirement.....
I know this is not quite what you wanted to hear, but video editing is like
woodworking...sometimes there is just no easy answer...
James...
BTW, Mac's are an entirely different universe..............
On Jul 18, 11:49 am, "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I use Snagit and convert to a AVI file.
AVIs don't work in a DVD formatted for a player. They will work on a
computer, as will the original format of .WMV.
I need high quality .vob, with .bup indexing.
Robert
[email protected] wrote:
> A small part of my business requires that I take narrated videos
> when
> writing property condition reports, proposed repairs for out of town
> owners, etc.,
>
> I take my own videos and use a couple of different programs, now
> mostly Nero to convert different formats to .vob and the
> embedded .bups and all the other files and embeds that allow
> different format files to play on a DVD player. Works like a champ.
> I edit, trim, adjust view angles, compress, transcode, convert, etc,
> and put the video on DVD with a menu.
>
> Here's my problem. I have a video that has come my way from another
> contractor that does inspections, but anything on the computer other
> than emailing his grandkids is out of his skill or interest level.
> He
> has a video that he took of some questionable work that will need
> to
> be addressed, and the video is an important part of his case.
> However... it is impractical to think that everyone will have a
> computer, and since this will probably be going to court the
> courtroom
> will have a DVD player ready to go.
>
> So motormouth (also known as me) tells his contractor buddy that
> "for
> a fee" I will convert his video, set up a logo background on his
> DVD,
> and include live menu buttons to access different job site areas.
> He
> is thrilled as the attorney he is doing this for wants to be able to
> distribute the DVD as a pre-emptive strike to all concerned parties
> to see if they can all settle out of court. So of course, he wants
> the most professional looking video possible.
>
> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site
> video
> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
>
> I have tried numerous other programs, since I had problems with Nero
> in the conversion. Nero did the best video conversion, but the
> actual
> sound won't sync 100% and ruins the narration - AND, to boot, one of
> the vid files was only 27 minutes ling and Nero took an hour and 40
> minutes to transcode, build the DVD structure, file sturcture, the
> menu buttons and burn. Others are certainly faster, but the video
> on
> some, especially the fastest ones, really stinks.
>
> I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
> programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
> right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
> hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are
> no
> hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
> slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
> to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
> programs closed.
>
> I am stumped. And I refuse to turn in a piece of crap that will
> embarrass me and my friend.
>
> I have been doing this type of stuff as a hobby for years now and
> never had this much problems or such low quality output. Does
> anyone
> here have a favorite piece of software or pieces of software to get
> me
> out of this .WMV hell? I have tried about 6-7 different highly
> rated
> converters and am just about out of patience.
>
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
If you're running Vista Home Premium or Vista Ultimate, try Windows
Movie Maker/Windows DVD Maker, that's included and is intended
specifically to work with WMV.
Also, see if you can find out what brand and model of camera he's
using and if so, see if the manufacturer has a conversion package.
It may just be a pathological file that can't be fixed without major
effort.
--
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--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
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<[email protected]>,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
<snippity snip>
> The rub: Someway he has the only remaining copy of the on site video
> in .WMV format. He has a "hi res" (not hi def) cameral that takes
> roughly DVD quality, so a 30 minute video is about 60+ minutes to
> convert to DVD. That part isn't so bad; but the output is.
<more snippage>
> I have tried pay programs, free programs, demos of high dollar
> programs, and none of them look very good to me. If the clarity is
> right, the colors are off. If the colors are good, the video will
> hiccup every once in a while. If the colors are good and there are no
> hiccups, the rendering will be fuzzy. I have even gone so far as to
> slow down the drive speed, change DVD blanks, and leave the computer
> to work on this as a single task after a hard boot with all other
> programs closed.
<And more...you know>
DVD drive speed etc. isn't going to affect video quality/clarity.
There's no harm in fiddling, but nothing to gain unless you're burning
coasters when you really wanted DVDs.
> Any suggestions? Sure would like to hear from anyone with ideas....
>
> Robert
Converting between video formats and codecs is a big pain, no doubt
about it. My "computer video swiss army knife" program of choice is the
free command line ffmpeg program. Getting a copy compiled can be an
ordeal, although I suspect you'd be able to find prebuilt versions for
Windows without too much trouble.
ffmpeg is pretty quick and generally can manage to do a fairly decent
job. In this case, I'd probably try using it to convert to some
minimally compressed intermediate format (say, dv) and then let Nero or
whatever create the DVD stuff at its leisure.
And for what it's worth, 1/3 realtime speed to do a decent MPEG2 DVD
compression doesn't sound all that outrageous to me.
Hope that helps.
--
Andrew Erickson
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot
lose." -- Jim Elliot
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 18, 7:00 am, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The Pinnacle Studio 11 software that I use handles this conversion.
>
>How is the quality? Does it actually come out in DVD (720 X 4XX)
>quality? That would be great if it did.
>
>> You could also try running the .wmv file through a capture card/cable
>> like the Pinnacle 710 USB, that will make the conversion from the
>> source.
>
>I tried that before, and the quality of the video was greatly
>reduced. I think the converting of formats on the fly was more than
>the card could handle. It worked great for archiving VHS as the
>output looked the same as input. Not so good in the all digital side.
>
>I would be interested in what you think of the Pinnacle conversion
>software feature though. Does it maintain a clear high res picture
>after format conversion?
>
>Robert
In Pinnacle you can slow down the conversion process in the hope of
reducing errors.
I'm not saying that it's a panacea but it does help.
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:00:24 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 18, 7:00 am, Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> The Pinnacle Studio 11 software that I use handles this conversion.
>
>How is the quality? Does it actually come out in DVD (720 X 4XX)
>quality? That would be great if it did.
>
>> You could also try running the .wmv file through a capture card/cable
>> like the Pinnacle 710 USB, that will make the conversion from the
>> source.
>
>I tried that before, and the quality of the video was greatly
>reduced. I think the converting of formats on the fly was more than
>the card could handle. It worked great for archiving VHS as the
>output looked the same as input. Not so good in the all digital side.
>
>I would be interested in what you think of the Pinnacle conversion
>software feature though. Does it maintain a clear high res picture
>after format conversion?
>
>Robert
All I can offer you is an analogy. One of the reasons I bought the
software/hardware combo was to convert all of my old VHS stuff to
digital (DVD output) before the last VHS machine in the world stopped
blinking 12:00 12:00 12:00. I had to spend a fair amount of time
tweaking settings to get what I considered to be adequate output.
I also converted some old files made with WMM and again had to test
and retest before 'nailing' it.
It seems that translating formats is kind of like language
translation. A perfect result is elusive to the point of nonexistence
and you wind up just doing the best you can.
Here's a link to the trial version. It says it is a rescticted
version but does not go into detai about said restrictions.
http://cdn.pinnaclesys.com/Supportfiles/Studio10Trial.exe
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet