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"Tim Taylor"

20/04/2006 12:38 AM

pocket hole screws


I know there is some pocket hole screw guys out there. I don't have the Kreg
tool, yet, but I've got a Taiwanese rip off. I got it from Rockler about 6
years ago. What I'm wondering is, on the good Kreg, does it leave the screw
heads just a bit proud of the surface? By a bit, I'm talking 1/16th or so.
I'm not really concerned about all but one piece I just did. I have to do a
dado after it's assembled. No big deal as I'll just grind the screw heads
flush. Just wanted to know if it's "normal" or not. TIA.


This topic has 16 replies

Bw

"Bob"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

19/04/2006 6:20 PM

No, the screw heads are completely below the surface. But this should
be a function of where you set the stop on the drill, not the jig
itself. The Kreg jig just sets the angle of drilling. They have some
guidelines and measurements that are recommended but you can adjust
them as you see fit. Really you are just using a stepped drill to make
a slanted hole, whose position and depth are controlled by the drill
stop and various spacer blocks. I used my jig for some 5/8" thick
particle board and made my own spacer block out of 1/4" MDF to get it
just right.

Bob

Bw

"Bob"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

19/04/2006 9:39 PM

Kreg does not recommend the large head screw for 1/2" stock.

Rr

"RicodJour"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

21/04/2006 6:38 AM

Upscale wrote:
>
> The included DVD with John Sillaots building a table with drawers using the
> Kreg Jig goes a long way to instilling ideas of what one could build if
> desired.

I bought the K3 at a recent woodworking show and it came with a DVD on
trim carpentry by a guy named Gary Striegler. It's definitely
worthwhile, but I want to see the cabinet DVD as well. Would you be
interested in trading?

R

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

20/04/2006 6:43 PM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:design-
> The KREG people are nice enough to publish the K-3 manual on their
> website which spells things out quite clearly on how to set things up

As well with the K3 system, the screw settings and which one to use for
thickness of wood is in raised lettering as part plastic case as well as
printed in the included manual. I recently bought a K3 system from Lee
Valley tools and I'm pretty impressed with it. Haven't built anything
specific yet, but I have tried it out on the joining of a few boards and
it's more solid a construction that I would have guessed from just looking
at it.

The included DVD with John Sillaots building a table with drawers using the
Kreg Jig goes a long way to instilling ideas of what one could build if
desired.

j

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

23/04/2006 1:20 PM

Nope, entire screwhead should NEVER be above the surface of the
workpiece. Adjust the drill bit to drill those holes a bit deeper
should fix this

John

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:38:59 GMT, "Tim Taylor" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>I know there is some pocket hole screw guys out there. I don't have the Kreg
>tool, yet, but I've got a Taiwanese rip off. I got it from Rockler about 6
>years ago. What I'm wondering is, on the good Kreg, does it leave the screw
>heads just a bit proud of the surface? By a bit, I'm talking 1/16th or so.
>I'm not really concerned about all but one piece I just did. I have to do a
>dado after it's assembled. No big deal as I'll just grind the screw heads
>flush. Just wanted to know if it's "normal" or not. TIA.
>

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

21/04/2006 9:19 AM

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:design-
>
> > The included DVD with John Sillaots building a table with drawers using
the
> > Kreg Jig goes a long way to instilling ideas of what one could build if
> > desired.
>
> Now waitasec..... *I* didn't get a DVD.... and I bought the K3 complete
> system...

It states right on the web page about the included DVD.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=46270&cat=1,180,42311,46275

> Maybe Robin Lee managed to get an exclusive?

Maybe you haven't been spending enough at LV lately and you're being
punished. Better schedule a visit right away. <g> (Psssst. Robin, can I
get those free tools now?)

Drop over with some beer and I'll see what I can do for you. <g>

TT

"Tim Taylor"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

20/04/2006 12:34 PM

Ok, I was thinking maybe it was the stop. I was just wanting to use the
Taiwanese thing as an excuse to get a new one. So obviously the front of the
jig is not set flush with the end of the workpiece then. If I move the stop
up the bit enough to conceal the screw heads, then there isn't but about
1/8th" of material left for the screw to bottom out on. It's a jig setting
and stop collar setting thing then. Thanks for the help guys.

"Gooey TARBALLS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:dBD1g.872$gt.91@trnddc04...
> Trust the answer "But this should be a function of where you set the stop
> on the drill, not the jig itself. "
>
>
>
>
> "Tim Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:DKA1g.905407$x96.892725@attbi_s72...
>>
>> I know there is some pocket hole screw guys out there. I don't have the
>> Kreg tool, yet, but I've got a Taiwanese rip off. I got it from Rockler
>> about 6 years ago. What I'm wondering is, on the good Kreg, does it leave
>> the screw heads just a bit proud of the surface? By a bit, I'm talking
>> 1/16th or so. I'm not really concerned about all but one piece I just
>> did. I have to do a dado after it's assembled. No big deal as I'll just
>> grind the screw heads flush. Just wanted to know if it's "normal" or not.
>> TIA.
>>
>>
>
>

TT

"Tim Taylor"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

20/04/2006 5:01 PM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No, the screw heads are completely below the surface. But this should
>> be a function of where you set the stop on the drill, not the jig
>> itself. The Kreg jig just sets the angle of drilling. They have some
>> guidelines and measurements that are recommended but you can adjust
>> them as you see fit.
>
> What Bob said.
>
> If a screw head protrudes, it's either not going in deep enough, or it
> is the wrong screw.
> The KREG people are nice enough to publish the K-3 manual on their
> website which spells things out quite clearly on how to set things
> up.... and that info is easily transferable to a knock-off jig. (It must
> be said that knock-off jigs have a very short life-span and in no way do
> the clean job of a Kreg. They're a piss-poor substitute.)

Yea, I know. That's why I was kind of wondering about the Kreg. Looks like
I'm off to Woodcraft this afternoon. Thanks for all the info

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

22/04/2006 12:44 PM

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> BTW.. did you ever shop at All-In-One in Mr. & Mrs. Sauga?
> http://www.allinonewood.com/

I haven't been in Mississauga for a number of years. Travel difficulties
(for me anyway) make it usually not worth the bother. Although, I do hope to
make the trip someday out to Hamilton and Ashman Technical for some big
iron. http://www.woodworktools.com/home.html

> M12V Hitachi routers for $ 249.00 CDN. That's a whole-lotta-moter for a
> quarter.

I've got a Makita 3612BR. Supposedly rated at 3.25 hp, but those numbers are
always subject to conjecture.

Email me when you're up to visit.

Uu

"Upscale"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

21/04/2006 8:17 PM

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> > Drop over with some beer and I'll see what I can do for you. <g>
>
> I'm due for a barley blow-out TO-style. 'Tis been eons.
> Be careful what you wish for..*EG*
>
> Will Grolsch do?

Never tried it although the Grolsch Canada website with some cute babes on
it makes it look inviting. My preference is for Sleeman's Creme Ale, but
it's each to his own. You're welcome over anytime. A few beer, some hot
barbeque chicken wings and shooting the breeze about woodworking. Only a few
things are better than that.

GT

"Gooey TARBALLS"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

20/04/2006 3:53 AM

Trust the answer "But this should be a function of where you set the stop
on the drill, not the jig itself. "




"Tim Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:DKA1g.905407$x96.892725@attbi_s72...
>
> I know there is some pocket hole screw guys out there. I don't have the
> Kreg tool, yet, but I've got a Taiwanese rip off. I got it from Rockler
> about 6 years ago. What I'm wondering is, on the good Kreg, does it leave
> the screw heads just a bit proud of the surface? By a bit, I'm talking
> 1/16th or so. I'm not really concerned about all but one piece I just did.
> I have to do a dado after it's assembled. No big deal as I'll just grind
> the screw heads flush. Just wanted to know if it's "normal" or not. TIA.
>
>

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

21/04/2006 8:54 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:

> The included DVD with John Sillaots building a table with drawers using the
> Kreg Jig goes a long way to instilling ideas of what one could build if
> desired.


Now waitasec..... *I* didn't get a DVD.... and I bought the K3 complete
system...

Maybe Robin Lee managed to get an exclusive?

*picking up phone*

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

20/04/2006 11:19 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

> No, the screw heads are completely below the surface. But this should
> be a function of where you set the stop on the drill, not the jig
> itself. The Kreg jig just sets the angle of drilling. They have some
> guidelines and measurements that are recommended but you can adjust
> them as you see fit.

What Bob said.

If a screw head protrudes, it's either not going in deep enough, or it
is the wrong screw.
The KREG people are nice enough to publish the K-3 manual on their
website which spells things out quite clearly on how to set things
up.... and that info is easily transferable to a knock-off jig. (It must
be said that knock-off jigs have a very short life-span and in no way do
the clean job of a Kreg. They're a piss-poor substitute.)

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

21/04/2006 7:40 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Drop over with some beer and I'll see what I can do for you. <g>

I'm due for a barley blow-out TO-style. 'Tis been eons.
Be careful what you wish for..*EG*

Will Grolsch do?

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

22/04/2006 12:11 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
> My preference is for Sleeman's Creme Ale, but
> it's each to his own. You're welcome over anytime. A few beer, some hot
> barbeque chicken wings and shooting the breeze about woodworking. Only a few
> things are better than that.
I went from Sleeman Cream Ale to their Honey-Brown... put on a
bezillion pounds around the midriff as a result. (74# gone now..I can,
once again, beat my way out of a wet paper bag.) I think you'll like
Grolsch then...especially the third one at 8-degrees Celsius.

BTW.. did you ever shop at All-In-One in Mr. & Mrs. Sauga?
http://www.allinonewood.com/
Been dying to check the place out. Hot wings after.

M12V Hitachi routers for $ 249.00 CDN. That's a whole-lotta-moter for a
quarter. (Our American friends are snickering in their near-beer at that
BIG number..don't pay attention to them.. they're just a little
envious......they're okay though..*G*)


r

TT

"Toller"

in reply to "Tim Taylor" on 20/04/2006 12:38 AM

20/04/2006 3:16 AM


"Tim Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:DKA1g.905407$x96.892725@attbi_s72...
>
> I know there is some pocket hole screw guys out there. I don't have the
> Kreg tool, yet, but I've got a Taiwanese rip off. I got it from Rockler
> about 6 years ago. What I'm wondering is, on the good Kreg, does it leave
> the screw heads just a bit proud of the surface? By a bit, I'm talking
> 1/16th or so. I'm not really concerned about all but one piece I just did.
> I have to do a dado after it's assembled. No big deal as I'll just grind
> the screw heads flush. Just wanted to know if it's "normal" or not. TIA.
>
The large head screw (coarse threaded?) will stick out a little when drilled
for 1/2" stock.


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