I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
couple of ways to do this.
1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
trammel.
2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
with this group to see what you would recommend.
TIA.
Dick Snyder
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:04:28 +0000, MIKE- wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):
>> Price out a 5-1/2" hole saw and then a fly cutter.
>>
>> Might make a different suggestion.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> Or a Woodpecker.
> We were living in the house we were finishing, and we hadn't sided the
> gable ends, one of which was the extension of our bedroom wall. I was
> awakened to the sound of a mini jackhammer on the outside of the house.
> By the time I threw on some clothes and wandered outside, the little guy
> was finishing up his own access hole into the attic.
>
> I climbed over the scaffolding and saw a perfect circle cut into the
> sheathing.
> And I mean perfect, I got a tape and measured it... remarkably accurate.
>
> So, I tacked up some sheet metal over the hole to keep him out.
> Next morning, about 6am.... BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!
>
I'm wondering if there's a market for a little trammel/harness with
micrometer adjustment so this can be exploited properly.
An on/off switch incorporating a rectal electrode would be essential, and
maybe with frequency modulation we could persuade the little fellah to work
on variable speeds. Different beak profiles.. hmmm....
After use he could plugged into a charger unit full of chocolate-coated ants
or pizza or whatever, ready for the next day.
I don't see any problems with any of that. None at all...
"Swingman" wrote
>
> If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
>
>
Uhhhhhh.........., Swingman, could you post a picture of that thing
installed on a bandsaw?
And maybe a video on its safe operation?? ;)
(It might work better on a drill press)
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
> TIA.
> Dick Snyder
Dick
You have received many good ideas. All I can offer is to cut the
wheels out on my lathe. All of them at once - for a perfect match. How
may wheels do you need/want?
Bob AZ
On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
> trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
OK, I tried it out.
Make a crosscut sled for your table saw, if you don't already have
one. Cut your stock to size, and drill axle holes in the center. Make
sure you have some bolts the same exact diameter as the holes.
Take a piece of 3/8 plywood, and countersink a bolt through it, so
that you can bold the wheel to the plywood, and wtill have it turn
freely. (I did this to avoid drilling holes in the sled.)
Cut the plywood so that the countersunk bolt is exactly 5.5 inches
from the blade. use a clamp to hold the position of the plywood, for
the next wheel.
First, used the sled to take off the corners of the wheel. As it
rounds out, start spinning the wheel. Hold the wheel securely, and
don't try to take off too mych at once (move the sled so that a little
of the wheel is done at one time.
I did it for a round clock, it worked like a charm. Of course, ruined
the piece trying to use a roundover bit on the front. I may try to use
the table saw for that as well!
good luck
shelly
On Dec 1, 5:49=A0pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making fo=
r
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a boo=
k
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory =A0baseplate and use the baseplate a=
s the
> trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router tab=
le
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a whee=
l.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with so=
me
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not trie=
d
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
How about making a template and using a bearing guide?
I've done it a lot..works great
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Charlie Groh" wrote:
>
>> ...I'm with you, man...buy the hole saw, get perfect circles, save
>> mucho time.
>
> Price out a 5-1/2" hole saw and then a fly cutter.
>
> Might make a different suggestion.
>
> Lew
>
>
>
>
I was in Lowes recently and took a look at hole saws even though I went with
the approach mentioned at this website. Those hole saws are VERY expensive.
> http://metalcast.boorman.us/circles.html
You have a year or two on me, but my standard disclaimer is now, its
not my fault if you didn't understand what I thought I meant to say.
Mike M
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:30:13 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Lee Michaels" wrote >
>> "Swingman" wrote
>>>
>>> If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
>>>
>>>
>> Uhhhhhh.........., Swingman, could you post a picture of that thing
>> installed on a bandsaw?
>>
>> And maybe a video on its safe operation?? ;)
>>
>> (It might work better on a drill press)
>
>Jeeezzzus ... you guys sound like SWMBO!!
>
>Hey, it's taken 60+ years, but there is finally some fallibility creeping
>in. :(
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:12:27 -0800 (PST), Hoosierpopi
<[email protected]> wrote:
>REAL MEN Do it on a router table.
>
Real men probably don't feel the need to brag about where they do it.
<g>
On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
> trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
you can also make a crosscut sled for a table saw (a useful item
anyway). Then, drill a hole through the center of your stock, and
screw it into the sled 5.5 inshed from the blade. Take the corners off
first, and then crefully rotate the stock. I've seen it done in a
video, but I forget where.
You can either make the rest of the wheels that way, or you can use
the wheel as a template for a flush trim router bit (use double-stick
tape)
You can also make a blank out of masonite
shelly
"Bob AZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0537dc54-ac55-431a-8c48-fb277def1bfa@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not
>> tried
>> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>> TIA.
>> Dick Snyder
>
> Dick
>
> You have received many good ideas. All I can offer is to cut the
> wheels out on my lathe. All of them at once - for a perfect match. How
> may wheels do you need/want?
>
> Bob AZ
>
Thanks for the offer Bob but I am done with the 4 wheels. I *did* receive a
bunch of good ideas. I went with the tablesaw jig which worked out fine but
required a lot of passes per wheel. If I have to do this again I will choose
another of the ideas suggested here.
Ti
On Dec 4, 10:19 am, Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 3, 10:19 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>
> > On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> " I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak"
>
> "Cut the plywood so that the countersunk bolt is exactly 5.5 inches
> from the blade." > shelly
>
> Shelly, Shell, Shelly,
>
> 2.75" from the blade! And, watch your fingers!
point take (I'm an idiot sometimes)
I stood on the side of the saw, kept one hand on the bolt, and turned
from the other side. I've learned respect for a TS the hard way.
shelly
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:12:27 -0800 (PST), Hoosierpopi <[email protected]>
wrote:
>REAL MEN Do it on a router table.
>
REAL men use their teeth and intimidate the wood into being round..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Dick Snyder" wrote
>> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making
>> for my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a
>> book called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that
>> suggests a couple of ways to do this.
>>
>> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
>> the trammel.
>>
>> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router
>> table with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on
>> three scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come
>> a wheel. Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router
>> bit with some kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>>
>> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not
>> tried either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would
>> check with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
No bandsaw yet unfortunately...... :-(
rough out te wheel on the bandsaw. push a small nail through thin
plywood or whatever, with the nail pointing UP, poke the center of the
wheel with it and lay this down on the disc sander with the wheel on
top. clamp the plywood to the sander table and spin the wheel, tapping
the fixture ever slightly closer to the sander disc until desired dia is
reached. use OD calipers to check progress.
On Dec 3, 10:19=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
" I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak"
>
"Cut the plywood so that the countersunk bolt is exactly 5.5 inches
from the blade." > shelly
Shelly, Shell, Shelly,
2.75" from the blade! And, watch your fingers!
On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:31:21 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:12:27 -0800 (PST), Hoosierpopi
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>REAL MEN Do it on a router table.
>>
>
>Real men probably don't feel the need to brag about where they do it.
><g>
...I'm with you, man...buy the hole saw, get perfect circles, save
mucho time.
cg
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:49:48 GMT, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Dick..
A] Nothing is perfect, even when I do it.. ;-]
B] I had to cut several 6" circles a few years back.. about 3/4" larger than
my fly-cutter would go..
I ended up fastening a piece of pegboard, about 6" x 12" to my router, using the
existing holes in the base plate and using one of the holes in the peg board for
the pivot point.. worked great for me but might not fit your application..
I've seen folks use the Dremel routing jig for that too, but I don't think you
want to try that with 3/4" stock.. lol
Another old trick is to cut them oversize on the band saw and make a simple jig
on a disk sander to both round and size them.. Sort of a V-block with stops..
>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>couple of ways to do this.
>
>1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
>trammel.
>
>2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
>with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
>scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
>Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
>kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
>I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
>either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
>TIA.
>
>Dick Snyder
>
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
"Dick Snyder" wrote
>> If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
>>
>> --
>> www.e-woodshop.net
>> Last update: 10/22/08
>> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>>
> I just followed your link. The device you referred to is a hole cutter
> that goes into a drill press. I do have a drill press but I have not had
> great luck with a hole cutter in thick hard wood like the 3/4" oak I am
> using for this toy.
Yeah, that would be kind of hard to use on a bandsaw! Sorry about that ... I
certainly meant drill press. Been doing that too much lately.
I've not any trouble using my General fly cutter in oak. The trick is a
combination of DP speed and sharpness of the tool. Since my shop is no
longer on the premises, I can't run out and look, but if it becomes
something you are forced to consider, I do have the settings marked down, so
just holler back.
Good luck ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
i82much wrote:
> On Dec 1, 5:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>> couple of ways to do this.
>>
>> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
>> trammel.
>>
>> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
>> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
>> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
>> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
>> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>>
>> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
>> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Dick Snyder
>
> How about making a template and using a bearing guide?
> I've done it a lot..works great
I have used a router on a table to cut circles. However be very careful
on how you feed it into the bit. I was not thinking once and never did
find the top piece of the bit. At least it did not hit anything valuable.
The word perfect is not to be used in wood or metal. Nothing can be perfect.
Close. Nice. Cut oversize and then mount on a metal rod. Spin rod and sand
all at the same time while keeping the centerline parallel to the surface of
the sander.
Martin
Dick Snyder wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
> trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>
>
"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dick Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>>couple of ways to do this.
>>
> <...snipped...>
>>.... Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>>with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
>
> Believe it or not there is a simply made jig for the tablesaw that will
> create perfect circles. You can find several examples by googling
> for "table saw circle cutting jig" or something similar. Here's one
> with some nice pictures I just found:
>
> http://metalcast.boorman.us/circles.html
>
> --
> There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
> plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
>
> Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
Thanks all for your help. This group is the greatest! I went with the
tablesaw jig. You have to make a LOT of passes to get a very round circle
but it does work. If I were to do this again, I would probably go with one
of the router ideas but for 4 wheels, it isn't that big a deal. I have saved
all of your ideas for the future in case I go heavy into the circle making
business!!
"Bob Meyer" wrote:
> I'd use a disk sander jig. Many designs available in magazines.
> Rough out the circle and sand to size. Too easy for it to get away
> from you with a router.
You could always fly cut 5-9\16", the stack and clamp 4 blanks on a
1/4" bolt which then gets chucked in a drill press.
Clean up a set of 4 to insure uniformity using a right angle jig and
sand paper.
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:37de44e6-cc1a-48a1-a22b-260dfd8e943e@f13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making
>> for
>> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a
>> book
>> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>> couple of ways to do this.
>>
>> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
>> the
>> trammel.
>>
>> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router
>> table
>> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
>> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a
>> wheel.
>> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with
>> some
>> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>>
>> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not
>> tried
>> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Dick Snyder
>
>
> you can also make a crosscut sled for a table saw (a useful item
> anyway). Then, drill a hole through the center of your stock, and
> screw it into the sled 5.5 inshed from the blade. Take the corners off
> first, and then crefully rotate the stock. I've seen it done in a
> video, but I forget where.
> You can either make the rest of the wheels that way, or you can use
> the wheel as a template for a flush trim router bit (use double-stick
> tape)
> You can also make a blank out of masonite
> shelly
I have a cross cut sled already but didn't want to make holes in it so I
essentially made a second one based on this idea as reported earlier by
Larry W
> http://metalcast.boorman.us/circles.html
This cross cut sled has a number of holes in it so you can make different
diameter circles. That is what I ended up using to do the wheels. Lots of
passes but they came out fine.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Dick Snyder" wrote
>> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making
>> for my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a
>> book called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that
>> suggests a couple of ways to do this.
>>
>> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
>> the trammel.
>>
>> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router
>> table with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on
>> three scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come
>> a wheel. Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router
>> bit with some kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>>
>> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not
>> tried either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would
>> check with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 10/22/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
I just followed your link. The device you referred to is a hole cutter that
goes into a drill press. I do have a drill press but I have not had great
luck with a hole cutter in thick hard wood like the 3/4" oak I am using for
this toy.
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:15:08 -0800 (PST), Hoosierpopi
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Or a Woodpecker.
>
>
>
>
>Now, if you can only get him in your tool drawer . . .
I wouldn't want a woodpecker in my drawers. I'm just sayin'...
REAL MEN Do it on a router table.
Cut four square blanks 5-5/8 on TS
Drill pivot holes in centers of each
Scribe Circle 5-5/8 circumference on each face
Cut / remove waste Jigsaw / Sander
Mount Pivot Pin in Miter Bar
Mount Mitre Bar w/pin in Router table (You must be able to "lock" the
bar in place)
Mount best router bit
Mount first blank and, with mitre bar loose, rotate piece to find a
good starting place for cut
Repeat with each blank until you find place the works for largest
dimension on any blank.
Fix pivot point/mitre bar at that location
Cut all four blanks
Adjust pivot point
Cut all four blanks
Adjust pivot point
Cut all four blanks
Replace router bit with small sanding drum
Adjust pivot point
Sand all four blanks
If you want bottoms of wheels rounded, switch from straight bit to
cove bit after initial sizing and mount each finished "wheel" in drill
press and finish sand them there.
Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> all of your ideas for the future in case I go heavy into the circle making
> business!!
Thinking of going into the Merry-Go-Round business?
"Lee Michaels" wrote >
> "Swingman" wrote
>>
>> If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
>>
>>
> Uhhhhhh.........., Swingman, could you post a picture of that thing
> installed on a bandsaw?
>
> And maybe a video on its safe operation?? ;)
>
> (It might work better on a drill press)
Jeeezzzus ... you guys sound like SWMBO!!
Hey, it's taken 60+ years, but there is finally some fallibility creeping
in. :(
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
> trammel.
Remove the baseplate and make your own out of 1/4" plywood. Use the
baseplate as a template for the hole locations.
-Kevin
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
> the trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router
> table with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on
> three scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a
> wheel. Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit
> with some kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>Near perfect (close enough for a toy wheel) results can be achieved by
>taking a compass and drawing out your wheel or wheels. Using what ever saw
>is handy try to cut the wheel out as close to the lines as possible, the
>wheel does not have to be round at this point just no square edges, 12 or
>more edges are preferable. Drill a 1/4 inch in the center of the wheel and
>place a #2 Phillips head screw driver through it, I like to do 4 or more
>wheels at one time. Now place the wheels on a belt sander so that the
>wheels are upright and the screwdriver is perpendicular to the direction of
>the moving belt, warning they will move quickly at this point, now turn the
>screwdriver at an angle to the direction of the belt until the wheels are
>spinning at a speed that is comfortable to you. Sand wheels until the are
>round then turn the whole set 180 degrees and do it again. You will have a
>near round wheel with sanded edges and a slight crown, I did them this way
>before the fly cutter and the band saw came into my life and still do them
>this way to clean up the edges. The spinning wheels do get hot so do not
>let them come into contact with the plastic screwdriver head, they will not
>get to hot for you to hold with your thumb or fingers just warm so be
>careful. You can use a drum sander to do this but I find the belt sander a
>lot easier.
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:50:53 GMT, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Charlie Groh" wrote:
>>
>>> ...I'm with you, man...buy the hole saw, get perfect circles, save
>>> mucho time.
>>
>> Price out a 5-1/2" hole saw and then a fly cutter.
>>
>> Might make a different suggestion.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>I was in Lowes recently and took a look at hole saws even though I went with
>the approach mentioned at this website. Those hole saws are VERY expensive.
>
>> http://metalcast.boorman.us/circles.html
>
...yeah, they can get a little pricey. I'm constantly buying tools
and such for my biz, which is *me*, so hardly ever think about that
aspect, I just write it off and have another tool...been in the biz
long enough to have worn through a third generation of some things.
That said, I've *always* valued my personal time highly...if it can be
done with a machine, or in a more timely manner via a combination of
machine(s) and good technique...well, I'm on it! This is not intended
to cheapen the "zen" involved with our passion...don't get me wrong,
if I could afford to sit on a hilltop crosslegged, sharpening chisels
with a waterstone, I'd consider the religious aspect of such a
meditation...but, for now anyway, it's a stationary belt sander, glass
and sandpaper...and if I'm anywhere near a client who owns a machine
shop I get *him* to do it! FWIW, now that we've gone this far on this
thread, I don't know that I *would* use my holesaw...might be a little
sloppy... ;O)
cg
"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> You just need the "correct jig"
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=143735&FamilyID=3582
>
> Dick Snyder wrote:
>> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making
>> for my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel.
Huh. It figures that you could buy a jig for this!
On Dec 3, 4:04=A0pm, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Price out a 5-1/2" hole saw and then a fly cutter.
>
> > Might make a different suggestion.
>
> > Lew
>
> Or a Woodpecker.
> We were living in the house we were finishing, and we hadn't sided the
> gable ends, one of which was the extension of our bedroom wall. I was
> awakened to the sound of a mini jackhammer on the outside of the house.
> By the time I threw on some clothes and wandered outside, the little guy
> was finishing up his own access hole into the attic.
>
> I climbed over the scaffolding and saw a perfect circle cut into the
> sheathing.
> And I mean perfect, I got a tape and measured it... remarkably accurate.
+/- how many 0.001"?
> So, I tacked up some sheet metal over the hole to keep him out.
> Next morning, about 6am.... BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!
Go into the attic and hang a mirror across the "doorway."
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> On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making
>> for
>> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a
>> book
>> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>> couple of ways to do this.
>>
>> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
>> the
>> trammel.
>
> Remove the baseplate and make your own out of 1/4" plywood. Use the
> baseplate as a template for the hole locations.
>
>
> -Kevin
Thanks Kevin. That can work. I have some 1/8" and 1/4" tempered hardboard
(Masonite) that is nice and slippery. I will try that.
Dick
> I just followed your link. The device you referred to is a hole cutter that
> goes into a drill press. I do have a drill press but I have not had great
> luck with a hole cutter in thick hard wood like the 3/4" oak I am using for
> this toy.
>
I think it was a brainfart. I giggled for a a couple minutes when I
opened that link.
I thought, "I'd like like to see that thing installed on a bandsaw." :-)
Anyway.....
Is 5-1/2" negotiable?
You'd be surprised what you might have laying around the shop that is
close to that diameter that you could use as a template for a bearing
guide bit in the router table.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Dick Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>couple of ways to do this.
>
<...snipped...>
>.... Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>with this group to see what you would recommend.
Believe it or not there is a simply made jig for the tablesaw that will
create perfect circles. You can find several examples by googling
for "table saw circle cutting jig" or something similar. Here's one
with some nice pictures I just found:
http://metalcast.boorman.us/circles.html
--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
> Price out a 5-1/2" hole saw and then a fly cutter.
>
> Might make a different suggestion.
>
> Lew
>
Or a Woodpecker.
We were living in the house we were finishing, and we hadn't sided the
gable ends, one of which was the extension of our bedroom wall. I was
awakened to the sound of a mini jackhammer on the outside of the house.
By the time I threw on some clothes and wandered outside, the little guy
was finishing up his own access hole into the attic.
I climbed over the scaffolding and saw a perfect circle cut into the
sheathing.
And I mean perfect, I got a tape and measured it... remarkably accurate.
So, I tacked up some sheet metal over the hole to keep him out.
Next morning, about 6am.... BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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[email protected] wrote:
>>> Or a Woodpecker.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, if you can only get him in your tool drawer . . .
>
>
> I wouldn't want a woodpecker in my drawers. I'm just sayin'...
Too........many........jokes.........can't.........compute...........
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-MIKE-
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Father Haskell wrote:
>> And I mean perfect, I got a tape and measured it... remarkably accurate.
>
> +/- how many 0.001"?
>
Didn't find those markings on my Stanley 25 footer.
>> So, I tacked up some sheet metal over the hole to keep him out.
>> Next morning, about 6am.... BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!-BAM!
>
> Go into the attic and hang a mirror across the "doorway."
>
It got sided, that day. :-)
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-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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long thread here.. maybe this one was already mentioned..
I made my own 6" dust collection blast gates, so I needed to cut many 6"
holes (wheels as scrap.. would have been pretty close to 5-3/4")
I made a simple router jig. They sell ones with the pin holes positioned
for various sizes. I made one for my exact needs. It's basically a
baseplate with a hole in it such that the math works out to cut a 6" hole.
So the pin radius, plus gap, plus the bit size (used the smallest plunge
straight bit I had) equals the radius of the circle. I think I used a nail
for my pin. I cut the pin to be the right length as it was under the
router.
example jig.. you can make your own if you only have a few sizes you want
to cut.
http://www.routertabledepot.com/cijimo300.html
http://www.routertabledepot.com/cijimo200.html
(you shoud now get the idea.. basically a baseplate with a pin hole to pivot
the router around. The pin hole could well in fact be under router for
smaller circles.
To hold this all together -- use double stick tape. I'd suggest good
quality tape. You really don't want the piece coming loose. If I recall
correctly the biggest annoyance is I wanted to cut the hole in the
assembly -- which was two pieces of 3/4" material and one piece of 1/4"
material for a thickness of 1-3/4". I could not plunge that deep, so I had
to cut down on one side, and then flip.
I'd use a disk sander jig. Many designs available in magazines. Rough out
the circle and sand to size. Too easy for it to get away from you with a
router.
Bob
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> On Dec 4, 10:19 am, Hoosierpopi <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 3, 10:19 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> > On Dec 1, 8:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> " I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak"
>>
>> "Cut the plywood so that the countersunk bolt is exactly 5.5 inches
>> from the blade." > shelly
>>
>> Shelly, Shell, Shelly,
>>
>> 2.75" from the blade! And, watch your fingers!
>
> point take (I'm an idiot sometimes)
>
> I stood on the side of the saw, kept one hand on the bolt, and turned
> from the other side. I've learned respect for a TS the hard way.
>
> shelly
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>couple of ways to do this.
I made the adjustable trammel described in Hynton's _Router Magic_ and
the latest edition of the book you have. It is a tear-drop shaped
replacement for your router base, which has a t-groove to accept a
stick containing the trammel point. It would have no problem with your
task. You would need to tack or double-stick tape your workpiece to a
waste backer board, but it should work well.
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On Dec 1, 5:49 pm, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
> the
> trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router
> table
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a
> wheel.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with
> some
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
How about making a template and using a bearing guide?
I've done it a lot..works great
The template idea had occurred to me but I would still be left with the
problem of how to make a perfect template.
On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:23:58 -0500, alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>>couple of ways to do this.
>
>I made the adjustable trammel described in Hynton's _Router Magic_ and
>the latest edition of the book you have. It is a tear-drop shaped
>replacement for your router base, which has a t-groove to accept a
>stick containing the trammel point. It would have no problem with your
>task. You would need to tack or double-stick tape your workpiece to a
>waste backer board, but it should work well.
You can always buy a 5 1/2 inch hole saw...
"Dick Snyder" wrote
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as
> the trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router
> table with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on
> three scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a
> wheel. Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit
> with some kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
If you have a bandsaw, a fly cutter will do the trick:
http://www.amazon.com/General-Hardware-1-3-Hole-Cutter/dp/B00004T7P1
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Dick Snyder wrote:
> I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
> my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
> called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
> couple of ways to do this.
>
> 1. Drive a pivot hole in the factory baseplate and use the baseplate as the
> trammel.
>
> 2. Do it on a router table. Affix a piece of scrap wood to the router table
> with a hole in it for the bit to come through. Install a pivot on three
> scrap wood and drill a hole in the piece of wood that will be come a wheel.
> Place the blank over the pivot and turn it against the router bit with some
> kind of pusher to keep your fingers clear.
>
> I kind of hate to drill a hole in my router baseplate but I have not tried
> either method. Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
> with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>
>
Or you can buy a 5 1/2" hole saw. I have used sweet sawdust's sanding
method with success. I also have mounted a cut out wheel on a carriage
bolt of appropriate size. Thread a nut down and tighten on the wheel.
Mount it in a drill press, spin slowly, and hold a rasp or sandpaper to
it.
sweet jo4hn
On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:50:53 GMT, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I was in Lowes recently and took a look at hole saws even though I went with
>the approach mentioned at this website. Those hole saws are VERY expensive.
>
Exactly, until all the kids in the neighborhood want a truck..lol
Tools, jigs, costs, time, etc. all have to be factored in when you're only doing
4 wheels..
I'll admit it... I did a couple of small wood "train sets" a few years ago, and
after reviewing my options, I bought the wheels from Lee Valley..
mac
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"Larry W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> Dick Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I need to cut four 5 1/2" wheels out of 3/4" oak for a toy I am making for
>>my grandson. The size is too small for a router and trammel. I have a book
>>called Woodworking with the Router by Hylton and Matlock that suggests a
>>couple of ways to do this.
>>
> <...snipped...>
>>.... Before I launch off into something I thought I would check
>>with this group to see what you would recommend.
>
>
> Believe it or not there is a simply made jig for the tablesaw that will
> create perfect circles. You can find several examples by googling
> for "table saw circle cutting jig" or something similar. Here's one
> with some nice pictures I just found:
>
> http://metalcast.boorman.us/circles.html
>
> --
> There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
> plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
>
> Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
I'll be darned. That gets the prize for the most unique solution to my
problem. Well, I have been given lots of options by the group as usual. I
will report back after I do the wheels today to let everyone know what
worked best.