Ll

Leon

25/04/2013 12:01 PM

SawStop is here!

The latest.


Bringing'r in
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream

Unpacking
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/

Unwrapped
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/

For you patent buffs
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/

Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/

The other stuff
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/

A lot of cast iron inside there
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/

The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
worm gear
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/

Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/

A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/


I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.

The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.

Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.


This topic has 58 replies

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 10:47 AM

On 4/26/2013 8:25 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:00:56 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>> Consider dividing and packaging the selected portions before freezing it.
>> Much easier and more convenient, than wrestling with a frozen quarter
>> /half beef, hog or whatever. Don't forget to mark the individual packages,
>> to identify what's within.
>
> Everybody offering solutions is missing the point. If you've got a
> freezer in your refrigerator, then occasionally, there's going to be
> some food that it would be nice to cut from.

You might be missing the obvious, do you want to contaminate your BS
for the occasional situation that you might want to cut off a smaller
portion of meat?? I would never consider doing this with anything other
than a dedicated BS that is going to be cleaned and sanitized on a
scheduled basis. You are going to end up with thousands of small chunks
of animal product spread through your band saw and at the least I would
think the draw of insects and the eventual smell of rot would detour you
from considering this any further.


Push come to shove, take that frozen chunk of what ever you have and ask
your butcher or local meat market to cut it up for you.

n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 2:00 AM

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:56:28 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Leon would no doubt wait for his meat to thaw, and cut it normally.
> To warrant butchering with one's woodworking tool, one would
> need to be butchering volumes, not something just for dinner.

I can think of several situations where someone would have frozen food
and just want part of it. Many foods come already frozen, such as
pizza for example. Cut and cook just half of it for a meal. Or,
perhaps buying an amount of meat when it was on sale and freezing it.
Then cutting off a steak sized slice to thaw for consumption?



MM

Mike M

in reply to [email protected] on 26/04/2013 2:00 AM

29/04/2013 5:05 AM

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:23:22 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:29:40 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> You don't cook it, just reheat it. Done properly, it does not affect
>>> the taste. Done improperly, it ruins it. I reheat my lunch
>>> (consisting of leftovers) most every day with no problems.
>>
>> I guess it's just me then. Reheated meat of any type, however it's
>> reheated just tastes Blah! It's just too bland compared to the taste
>> of when it's oven cooked the first time.
>
>It's not just you - reheated meat never tastes the same for me.

I'll give you the not as good, but it can still be good.

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 11:51 PM

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:42:43 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On 26 Apr 2013 07:34:34 GMT, Puckdropper
>>My solution is simply to cook the whole thing and then refrigerate the
>>excess. There's always a need to eat tomorrow.
>
>What???? You're kidding right? You like that kind of food? You've
>never frozen meat for future use? Never bought meat in any size bigger
>than a few pounds? And, meat that is cooked and then refrigerated
>doesn't come close to having the same taste as something just freshly
>cooked.
>
>What kind of palate do you have?

You never eat leftovers? Perhaps you don't know how to treat them for
a second meal. I take them for lunch all the time.

The past couple of weeks I've cooked on the weekend and froze a good
portion for future use for easy quick meals. My wife is in the
hospital and won't be cooking for a while when she gets home so I'm
stocking up a little now.

Properly reheated, it is as good as the day it was cooked, exception
being crispy chicken skin.

n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 4:58 PM

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:35:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>

>> Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?
>Yeah! I gotta stock up on weeners.

Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been
tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw? Is
there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?

Ll

Leon

in reply to [email protected] on 25/04/2013 4:58 PM

29/04/2013 7:10 AM

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:29:40 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> You don't cook it, just reheat it. Done properly, it does not affect
>>> the taste. Done improperly, it ruins it. I reheat my lunch
>>> (consisting of leftovers) most every day with no problems.
>>
>> I guess it's just me then. Reheated meat of any type, however it's
>> reheated just tastes Blah! It's just too bland compared to the taste
>> of when it's oven cooked the first time.
>
> It's not just you - reheated meat never tastes the same for me.


It really has to do with how you reheat and the meat what kind you are
reheating.. The key for us is to reheat in the juices that cooked out
during the cooking. For example we smoke a pretty good brisket. We cook it
in an aluminum pan which captures all the liquids. After an hour of
smoking we cover the pan with aluminum foil and finish cooking. After
cooking we let the meat rest so that it will soak up some of those juices.


We keep the whole thing and can eat on that for several days, we typically
oak 10~15 lbs.

When reheating we use the, now solid, juices to keep the meat moist when
reheating.

The key is to reheat with the same juices that gave all the flavor and
taste when first cooked.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to [email protected] on 25/04/2013 4:58 PM

29/04/2013 7:23 AM

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:29:40 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>> You don't cook it, just reheat it. Done properly, it does not affect
>> the taste. Done improperly, it ruins it. I reheat my lunch
>> (consisting of leftovers) most every day with no problems.
>
> I guess it's just me then. Reheated meat of any type, however it's
> reheated just tastes Blah! It's just too bland compared to the taste
> of when it's oven cooked the first time.

It's not just you - reheated meat never tastes the same for me.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

n

in reply to [email protected] on 25/04/2013 4:58 PM

29/04/2013 1:06 AM

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:29:40 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>You don't cook it, just reheat it. Done properly, it does not affect
>the taste. Done improperly, it ruins it. I reheat my lunch
>(consisting of leftovers) most every day with no problems.

I guess it's just me then. Reheated meat of any type, however it's
reheated just tastes Blah! It's just too bland compared to the taste
of when it's oven cooked the first time.

Sc

Sonny

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 12:24 PM

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:01:50 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680317955/in/photostream/

Pppffftt! You wasted your money. You ain't got enough lumber, back there, to do any decent sawing with.

*With the previous delays/miscues, incurred, did it come with a blade? :)

It all looks pretty darn sharp. Congrats, big time.

Sonny

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Sonny on 25/04/2013 12:24 PM

27/04/2013 7:58 AM

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 03:30:18 -0400, [email protected] wrote:



>
>>Properly reheated, it is as good as the day it was cooked, exception
>>being crispy chicken skin.
>
>Maybe my reheating techniques need some improvement.

You have to heat it gently. If you just stick it in the microwave on
high, it will ruin the taste.

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 2:39 PM

On 04/25/2013 02:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:21:47 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
>>> Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been
>>> tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw? Is
>>> there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?
>>
>> Considering the lasting damage caused by my Jet 18" BS when I had a
>> momentary laps and reached into a standard 3/4" blade, I don't think
>> you need anything special to cut meat and bone efficiently.
>
> I have read about special blades for meat cutting. However, I don't
> know what kind of difference one would make compared to a woodworking
> blade.
>
> I was also wondering if it was inadvisable to chance blood and gore
> (initally frozen" spread around the insides of a woodworking bandsaw?
>
yes, a real mess - DAMHIKT


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 10:00 PM



"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote >
> The out feed roller extension was a task although all went smoothly.
> It's the hoping you are drilling into cabinet in the right spot 6 times
> that kinda gets to you. I have installed the same set up before on a
> Jet cabinet saw some 13 years ago so I knew what to be where and aligned
> with what. It was actually easier this time.

You remember how to do this from 13 years ago??

Obviously a youngster.

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 10:03 PM

I trust this will cure the table saw deficiency syndrome.

Looks like a quality tool. packed well, etc.

How much trouble is it to align the top of the rollers to the table saw top?
Any adjustability with the rollers?


Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 7:34 AM

[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:

> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:56:28 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>Leon would no doubt wait for his meat to thaw, and cut it normally.
>> To warrant butchering with one's woodworking tool, one would
>> need to be butchering volumes, not something just for dinner.
>
> I can think of several situations where someone would have frozen food
> and just want part of it. Many foods come already frozen, such as
> pizza for example. Cut and cook just half of it for a meal. Or,
> perhaps buying an amount of meat when it was on sale and freezing it.
> Then cutting off a steak sized slice to thaw for consumption?
>

My solution is simply to cook the whole thing and then refrigerate the
excess. There's always a need to eat tomorrow.

Seeing how dust gets all over the bandsaw, I'd be very reluctant to use
it for any kind of food cutting. Food goes bad, spoils, then your shop
stinks. (That won't stop me from making jokes about it... or suggesting
we buy a drill press rather than a stand mixer. Actually that one might
work ok.)

Puckdropper

--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 12:11 PM



"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote

>
> You might be missing the obvious, do you want to contaminate your BS
> for the occasional situation that you might want to cut off a smaller
> portion of meat?? I would never consider doing this with anything other
> than a dedicated BS that is going to be cleaned and sanitized on a
> scheduled basis. You are going to end up with thousands of small chunks
> of animal product spread through your band saw and at the least I would
> think the draw of insects and the eventual smell of rot would detour you
> from considering this any further.
>
>
> Push come to shove, take that frozen chunk of what ever you have and ask
> your butcher or local meat market to cut it up for you.

All you youngster, city slickers talking 'bout sawing meat. With a with a
BIG ASS BANDSAW! Back in the day, when we had to cut meat, we used a meat
saw. It looked like a giant hacksaw. It had a meat (bone) blade on it.
You operated in with your arm and hand. Ya know, MANUAL LABOR! And it did
cut frozen meat. It would be a bit of a workout, but it got the job done.

This is a picture of a modern 25" manual meat saw. They come in different
sizes.

<http://www.meatprocessingproducts.com/lem638.html>




LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

27/04/2013 1:27 AM


<[email protected]> wrote:


> Maybe my reheating techniques need some improvement.
------------------------------------------------------
That's why microwaves exist.

Lew



JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:56 PM

"Sonny" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:58:33 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:

>> Is there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?

>My brother had a grocery store with a fairly large butcher service. That
>bandsaw casing/framework was made of aluminum, daily washed/cleaned with a
>disinfectant or clorox, >etc. I don't know what the other working parts
>were made of, something more substantial than aluminum, no doubt.

>I never looked closely at the blade, but once asked the butcher about it.
>It was specific for bone cutting, more so than for cutting the meat,
>itself. I would assume the blade was >specific only for the meat specific
>saw.

I recall a discussion I had with a professional butcher about 30 years ago
while he was cutting up a deer for me. Regarding saws in butchering, they
are intended for cutting bone only. I watched as he carefully cut the meat
down to the bone with a knife and then cut the bone only on the bandsaw. He
had a less than flattering term for guys butchering deer for money who cut
up the meat and bone with a bandsaw... After having a venison dinner at a
friend's home one time, where the meat was clearly sawn with bits of bone
"dust" through out, I understood his position on the matter. It was
nasty...!

I butcher my deer own now and bone it as the meat is removed from the
hanging carcass. This saves freezer space and there is no need for sawing
anything. I do, however, chop the skeleton off at the end of the rib cage
with a hatchet once the meat is removed... this so it fits in the trash can.

A SawStop, by design, would be useless for this application.

John

n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 5:34 PM

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:21:47 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
>> Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been
>> tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw? Is
>> there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?
>
>Considering the lasting damage caused by my Jet 18" BS when I had a
>momentary laps and reached into a standard 3/4" blade, I don't think
> you need anything special to cut meat and bone efficiently.

I have read about special blades for meat cutting. However, I don't
know what kind of difference one would make compared to a woodworking
blade.

I was also wondering if it was inadvisable to chance blood and gore
(initally frozen" spread around the insides of a woodworking bandsaw?

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 2:21 PM

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:58:33 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:35:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>
>
>
> >> Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?
>
> >Yeah! I gotta stock up on weeners.
>
>
>
> Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been
>
> tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw? Is
>
> there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?

Considering the lasting damage caused by my Jet 18" BS when I had a momentary laps and reached into a standard 3/4" blade, I don't think you need anything special to cut meat and bone efficiently.

Sc

Sonny

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 6:00 AM

On Friday, April 26, 2013 1:00:38 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> I can think of several situations where someone would have frozen food and just want part of it. Many foods come already frozen, such as pizza for example. Cut and cook just half of it for a meal.

You don't use a bandsaw to cut frozen pizza. You use your broad ax.

> Or, perhaps buying an amount of meat when it was on sale and freezing it. Then cutting off a steak sized slice to thaw for consumption?

Consider dividing and packaging the selected portions before freezing it. Much easier and more convenient, than wrestling with a frozen quarter/half beef, hog or whatever. Don't forget to mark the individual packages, to identify what's within.

Sonny

n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 8:09 AM

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:50:54 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>Ouch! It's still is a little sore, but it's fine. But here is the part
>I wanted to mention...wait for it...
>
>...the whole accident could have been avoided if there had been a
>Door-Stop! : )

You should sue all the door manufacturers. They were all negligent in
not taking the user's safety into account.

wn

woodchucker

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 3:06 PM

On 4/25/2013 9:30 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 8:01 PM, G. Ross wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> The latest.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bringing'r in
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>>>
>>> Unpacking
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> Unwrapped
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> For you patent buffs
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> The other stuff
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> A lot of cast iron inside there
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
>>> worm gear
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>>>
>>> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
>>> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>>>
>>>
>>> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
>>> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>>>
>>> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
>>> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
>>> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
>>> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
>>> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
>>> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
>>> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>>>
>>> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
>>> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>>>
>>> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>>>
>> Setting a new machine up is half the fun. Hope you get many hours and
>> years of enjoyment in using it.
>>
> Well it is fun but crawling around on the floor is starting to get old.
> ;~)
> Thank you.
>
>
Very sweet looking Leon
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8684362184/in/photostream/
Can I come over and play????


--
Jeff

Cn

"ChairMan"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 4:29 PM


"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The latest.
>
>
Congrats but there is some down side to your purchase.
1.Some assembly required.
2.Now you have to go back to work

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 2:28 PM

On 4/26/2013 2:06 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 9:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/25/2013 8:01 PM, G. Ross wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> The latest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bringing'r in
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>>>>
>>>> Unpacking
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> Unwrapped
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> For you patent buffs
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> The other stuff
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> A lot of cast iron inside there
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
>>>> worm gear
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
>>>> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with
>>>> the 52
>>>> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>>>>
>>>> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
>>>> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
>>>> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
>>>> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier
>>>> than my
>>>> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
>>>> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
>>>> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>>>>
>>>> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
>>>> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>>>>
>>>> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>>>>
>>> Setting a new machine up is half the fun. Hope you get many hours and
>>> years of enjoyment in using it.
>>>
>> Well it is fun but crawling around on the floor is starting to get old.
>> ;~)
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
> Very sweet looking Leon
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8684362184/in/photostream/
> Can I come over and play????
>
>
Sure! Ill keep a light on for you!

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 8:27 AM

On 4/26/2013 6:50 AM, Bill wrote:
> On 4/26/2013 12:26 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/25/2013 11:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/25/2013 9:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>>> I trust this will cure the table saw deficiency syndrome.
>>>
>>> Already feeling more manly! LOL
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looks like a quality tool. packed well, etc.
>>>
>>> I think I would compare the build quality to my Laguna BS, perhaps
>>> better.
>
> Leon, Sounds like you are doing great so far!
>
> I wanted to share this short story, which proves you don't have to use
> power tools to bruise yourself.
>
> Yesterday, I was existing a computer lab--actually sort of in a hurry to
> get to my next destination, with some paper in my left hand, pulling
> the door behind me with my right. When, I closed my finger in the door.
> Ouch! It's still is a little sore, but it's fine. But here is the part
> I wanted to mention...wait for it...
>
> ...the whole accident could have been avoided if there had been a
> Door-Stop! : )
>
>
> Good luck to you as you fine tune your new saw!
>
>
> Bill
>

Hey Bill thanks. I too put my finger where it did not belong yesterday,
twice. LOL I can never resist putting my finger in something that is
just big enough for my finger and not very carefully pulling it out.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:29 PM

On 4/25/2013 7:17 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:01:50 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> The latest.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bringing'r in
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>>
>>
>>
>> Unpacking
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> Unwrapped
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> For you patent buffs
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> The other stuff
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot of cast iron inside there
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
>>
>> worm gear
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
>>
>> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
>>
>> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>>
>>
>>
>> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
>>
>> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
>>
>> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
>>
>> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
>>
>> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
>>
>> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
>>
>> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>>
>>
>>
>> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
>>
>> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>
> I can only offer you the standard level of contempt regarding the purchase of a new toy: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you,I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you,I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you,I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you,

I hate you too. LOL


> Enjoy it!!! Any tool hitting my garage turns me into a 10 year old on Christmas morning.

This one is especially nice, I have been a proponent for this saw since
1999, before it was produced. My wife actually suggested trading up.
Nuf'said.
I had that possum eating poop grin most of the afternoon!

Thank you Ron!


Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:30 PM

On 4/25/2013 8:01 PM, G. Ross wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> The latest.
>>
>>
>> Bringing'r in
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>>
>> Unpacking
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>>
>> Unwrapped
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>> For you patent buffs
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>> The other stuff
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>>
>> A lot of cast iron inside there
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>>
>> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
>> worm gear
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>>
>> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>>
>> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
>> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
>> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>>
>> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
>> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
>> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
>> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
>> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
>> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
>> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>>
>> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
>> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>>
>> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>>
> Setting a new machine up is half the fun. Hope you get many hours and
> years of enjoyment in using it.
>
Well it is fun but crawling around on the floor is starting to get old. ;~)
Thank you.

GR

"G. Ross"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 9:01 PM

Leon wrote:
> The latest.
>
>
> Bringing'r in
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>
> Unpacking
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>
> Unwrapped
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> For you patent buffs
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> The other stuff
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>
> A lot of cast iron inside there
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>
> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
> worm gear
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>
> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>
> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>
>
> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>
> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>
> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>
> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>
Setting a new machine up is half the fun. Hope you get many hours and
years of enjoyment in using it.

--
 GW Ross 

 Junk mail arrives the day it was 
 sent. Sometimes the day before. 





Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:21 PM

On 4/25/2013 7:56 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

>
> A SawStop, by design, would be useless for this application.
>
> John


No kidding, I understand that SawStop is working on producing a band saw
that will stop.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:19 PM

On 4/25/2013 3:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:35:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>
>>> Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?
>> Yeah! I gotta stock up on weeners.
>
> Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been
> tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw? Is
> there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?
>


no, and I don't know. I am sure any blade would do.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:22 PM

On 4/25/2013 4:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:01:50 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> Bringing'r in
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>
> What did the shipping guys say about the excited home owner snapping
> pictures of them?
>


They were the manager and asst manager, we have know each other since
the store opened. Not a problem.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 2:35 PM

On 4/25/2013 2:27 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 3:24 PM, Sonny wrote:
>
>> You ain't got enough lumber, back there, to do any decent sawing with.
>
> Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?
>


Yeah! I gotta stock up on weeners.

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 2:35 PM

28/04/2013 10:29 PM

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:48:23 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 07:58:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Maybe my reheating techniques need some improvement.
>>
>>You have to heat it gently. If you just stick it in the microwave on
>>high, it will ruin the taste.
>
>What's with a microwave? Meat cooks terribly in a microwave, no matter
>what level you put it at. At best, I use a microwave to thaw a few
>foods, heat some veggies, or maybe cook a frozen microwave dinner if
>I'm in a rush.

You don't cook it, just reheat it. Done properly, it does not affect
the taste. Done improperly, it ruins it. I reheat my lunch
(consisting of leftovers) most every day with no problems.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 2:34 PM

On 4/25/2013 2:24 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:01:50 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680317955/in/photostream/
>
> Pppffftt! You wasted your money. You ain't got enough lumber, back there, to do any decent sawing with.
>
> *With the previous delays/miscues, incurred, did it come with a blade? :)
>
> It all looks pretty darn sharp. Congrats, big time.
>
> Sonny
>


LOL that was left over from the desk and airplane projects. The wall
above that is totally filled with lumber. ;~)

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 2:33 PM

On 4/25/2013 1:16 PM, Gramp's shop wrote:
> There's nothing like welcoming a new baby into the house. Congratulations!
>
> Larry


No kidding, Thank you




n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 5:08 PM

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:01:50 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>Bringing'r in
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream

What did the shipping guys say about the excited home owner snapping
pictures of them?

Gs

"Gramp's shop"

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 11:16 AM

There's nothing like welcoming a new baby into the house. Congratulations!

Larry

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:01:50 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> The latest.
>
>
>
>
>
> Bringing'r in
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>
>
>
> Unpacking
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> Unwrapped
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> For you patent buffs
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> The other stuff
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> A lot of cast iron inside there
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
>
> worm gear
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>
>
>
> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
>
> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>
>
>
>
>
> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
>
> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>
>
>
> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
>
> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
>
> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
>
> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
>
> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
>
> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
>
> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>
>
>
> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
>
> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>
>
>
> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.

Sc

Sonny

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 4:56 PM

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:58:33 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been=20
tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw?

Leon would no doubt wait for his meat to thaw, and cut it normally. To war=
rant butchering with one's woodworking tool, one would need to be butcherin=
g volumes, not something just for dinner.

> Is there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?

My brother had a grocery store with a fairly large butcher service. That b=
andsaw casing/framework was made of aluminum, daily washed/cleaned with a d=
isinfectant or clorox, etc. I don't know what the other working parts were=
made of, something more substantial than aluminum, no doubt. =20

I never looked closely at the blade, but once asked the butcher about it. =
It was specific for bone cutting, more so than for cutting the meat, itself=
. I would assume the blade was specific only for the meat specific saw. =
=20

Additionally:
Bone is a calcium crystaline form, the same as coral (i.e., coral reef). A=
s a matter of fact, some bone implants are made from coral. Soft tissue an=
d newly forming bone tissue grows around, grows into and attaches to coral =
the same way as it does around existing bone, in the repairing body. A pie=
ce of implanted coral does not grow. The body lays down new bone/new calci=
um around it, as it lays down new bone/new calcium around a fractured bone.

I don't recall which ones, but some specific lumbers (from specific areas?)=
have crystaline forms that collect in the wood, as it grows. Seems I read=
, milling and/or sawing these lumbers, with wood cutting tools, requires mo=
re frequent sharpening of blades, compared to normal lumber.

I think it's yucca trees/plants, or some specie of the aloes, that produce =
crystaline forms in them, as they grow. Native folk, of those areas, use t=
he stalks for stropping their tools. It's reasonable to think cutting bone=
with a wood cutting blade would dull the blade faster than normal.

Sonny

MM

Mike M

in reply to Sonny on 25/04/2013 4:56 PM

29/04/2013 3:35 AM

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:06:07 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 22:29:40 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>You don't cook it, just reheat it. Done properly, it does not affect
>>the taste. Done improperly, it ruins it. I reheat my lunch
>>(consisting of leftovers) most every day with no problems.
>
>I guess it's just me then. Reheated meat of any type, however it's
>reheated just tastes Blah! It's just too bland compared to the taste
>of when it's oven cooked the first time.

Could depend on how you like your meat cooked. The rarer you like
your meat the less you loose flavor on the reheat. If you like it
fairly well cooked on the first go around then I can see your point.
You need some juice to reheat.

Mike M

Rr

RonB

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 5:17 PM

On Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:01:50 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> The latest.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Bringing'r in
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Unpacking
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Unwrapped
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> For you patent buffs
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The other stuff
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> A lot of cast iron inside there
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the=20
>=20
> worm gear
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is=20
>=20
> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>=20
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52=
=20
>=20
> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the=
=20
>=20
> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.=20
>=20
> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing=
=20
>=20
> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my=
=20
>=20
> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile=20
>=20
> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll=20
>=20
> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really=20
>=20
> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.

I can only offer you the standard level of contempt regarding the purchase =
of a new toy: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you,I hate you, I=
hate you, I hate you, I hate you,I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hat=
e you,I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you,

Enjoy it!!! Any tool hitting my garage turns me into a 10 year old on Chri=
stmas morning.

RonB

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 5:53 AM

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 23:01:57 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 4/25/2013 9:00 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote >
>>> The out feed roller extension was a task although all went smoothly.
>>> It's the hoping you are drilling into cabinet in the right spot 6
>>> times that kinda gets to you. I have installed the same set up before
>>> on a Jet cabinet saw some 13 years ago so I knew what to be where and
>>> aligned with what. It was actually easier this time.
>>
>> You remember how to do this from 13 years ago??
>
>I can!
>
>
>>
>> Obviously a youngster.
>>
>>
>
>
>LOL

I can remember things from 50 years ago. Just don't ask me what I had
for lunch yesterday.

n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 9:25 AM

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 06:00:56 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
>Consider dividing and packaging the selected portions before freezing it.
>Much easier and more convenient, than wrestling with a frozen quarter
>/half beef, hog or whatever. Don't forget to mark the individual packages,
> to identify what's within.

Everybody offering solutions is missing the point. If you've got a
freezer in your refrigerator, then occasionally, there's going to be
some food that it would be nice to cut from.

I'm not going to cut up a prime rib roast into steaks before I freeze
it because I might want a roast easily available for a family dinner.
I don't plan too many meals a week or more in advance, so how am to
know if something should be cut up before it's frozen or not? And no,
my freezer isn't big enough to keep very many different cuts of frozen
meat on hand.

The question bordered on the hypothetical anyway, so I guess it's moot
at this point. Very few people are going to run meat, frozen or not
through their bandsaw.

GG

Greg Guarino

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 3:27 PM

On 4/25/2013 3:24 PM, Sonny wrote:

> You ain't got enough lumber, back there, to do any decent sawing with.

Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?

n

in reply to Greg Guarino on 25/04/2013 3:27 PM

28/04/2013 11:48 AM

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 07:58:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Maybe my reheating techniques need some improvement.
>
>You have to heat it gently. If you just stick it in the microwave on
>high, it will ruin the taste.

What's with a microwave? Meat cooks terribly in a microwave, no matter
what level you put it at. At best, I use a microwave to thaw a few
foods, heat some veggies, or maybe cook a frozen microwave dinner if
I'm in a rush.

n

in reply to Greg Guarino on 25/04/2013 3:27 PM

27/04/2013 3:03 AM

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 12:11:28 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
>This is a picture of a modern 25" manual meat saw. They come in different
>sizes.
>
><http://www.meatprocessingproducts.com/lem638.html>

Thanks for that. I might order one.

GG

Greg Guarino

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 5:10 PM

On 4/25/2013 3:35 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 2:27 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
>> On 4/25/2013 3:24 PM, Sonny wrote:
>>
>>> You ain't got enough lumber, back there, to do any decent sawing with.
>>
>> Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?
>>
>
>
> Yeah! I gotta stock up on weeners.

and a cartridge for each, right?

BB

Bill

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 7:50 AM

On 4/26/2013 12:26 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 11:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/25/2013 9:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>> I trust this will cure the table saw deficiency syndrome.
>>
>> Already feeling more manly! LOL
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Looks like a quality tool. packed well, etc.
>>
>> I think I would compare the build quality to my Laguna BS, perhaps
>> better.

Leon, Sounds like you are doing great so far!

I wanted to share this short story, which proves you don't have to use
power tools to bruise yourself.

Yesterday, I was existing a computer lab--actually sort of in a hurry to
get to my next destination, with some paper in my left hand, pulling
the door behind me with my right. When, I closed my finger in the door.
Ouch! It's still is a little sore, but it's fine. But here is the part
I wanted to mention...wait for it...

...the whole accident could have been avoided if there had been a
Door-Stop! : )


Good luck to you as you fine tune your new saw!


Bill

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 12:07 PM

On 4/25/2013 1:01 PM, Leon wrote:
> The latest.
>
>
> Bringing'r in
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>
> Unpacking
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>
> Unwrapped
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> For you patent buffs
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> The other stuff
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>
> A lot of cast iron inside there
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>
> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
> worm gear
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
>
> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>
> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>
>
> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>
> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>
> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>
> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>
So let us know the results when Karl comes buy with a test wiener. :-)

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

BB

Bill

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 9:26 PM

[email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 07:50:54 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>> Ouch! It's still is a little sore, but it's fine. But here is the part
>> I wanted to mention...wait for it...
>>
>> ...the whole accident could have been avoided if there had been a
>> Door-Stop! : )
> You should sue all the door manufacturers. They were all negligent in
> not taking the user's safety into account.

Yeah, there should have been a mechanism in place to blow
the door off it's hinges. Naw, the kids wouldn't leave it alone. :)

BTW, just for reference, that little pinch inthe door hurt just as good
as a firm
tap with a 16 oz hammer! :) I have prided myself for not doingthe
latter in years.
Though I did it at least 2 times that I keenly remember, in my youth.
You folks are the first to know (I didn't dare tell anybody, lest I
might lose "my privileges").

Bill

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 11:01 PM

On 4/25/2013 9:00 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote >
>> The out feed roller extension was a task although all went smoothly.
>> It's the hoping you are drilling into cabinet in the right spot 6
>> times that kinda gets to you. I have installed the same set up before
>> on a Jet cabinet saw some 13 years ago so I knew what to be where and
>> aligned with what. It was actually easier this time.
>
> You remember how to do this from 13 years ago??

I can!


>
> Obviously a youngster.
>
>


LOL

wn

woodchucker

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 7:40 PM

On 4/25/2013 1:01 PM, Leon wrote:
> The latest.
>
>
> Bringing'r in
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>
> Unpacking
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>
> Unwrapped
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> For you patent buffs
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>
> The other stuff
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>
> A lot of cast iron inside there
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>
> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
> worm gear
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
That's normal actually.
>
> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>
> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>
>
> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>
> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>
> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>
> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>

She looks beautiful. Enjoy..
--
Jeff

wn

woodchucker

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 7:44 PM

On 4/25/2013 5:21 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:58:33 PM UTC-7, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:35:04 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Those saws are for hot dogs, aren't they?
>>
>>> Yeah! I gotta stock up on weeners.
>>
>>
>>
>> Speaking of various types of butchery, have you ever cut (or been
>>
>> tempted) to cut frozen meat of some type on your Laguna bandsaw? Is
>>
>> there such a thing as a butchers blade for a home bandsaw?
>
> Considering the lasting damage caused by my Jet 18" BS when I had a momentary laps and reached into a standard 3/4" blade, I don't think you need anything special to cut meat and bone efficiently.
>
Oh damnnnnnn.

--
Jeff

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 11:26 PM

On 4/25/2013 11:21 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 9:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>> I trust this will cure the table saw deficiency syndrome.
>
> Already feeling more manly! LOL
>
>
>>
>> Looks like a quality tool. packed well, etc.
>
> I think I would compare the build quality to my Laguna BS, perhaps better.
>
>
>>
>> How much trouble is it to align the top of the rollers to the table saw
>> top? Any adjustability with the rollers?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Not a whole lot of trouble, sorta. The rollers don't spin perfectly so
> there are high and low spots when they spin. We are only talking about
> 1/32" so it really is no big deal. The object is that the rollers
> simply be close to being the same height as the table, better a bit low
> than higher. After all, this thing is only there to keep the work from
> tipping off the back end of the table top. This one and my old one
> have a cam adjustment that lowers the front rollers 3/8" of an inch so
> that when you cross cut the miter gauge bar will not hit the rollers. I
> often used the out feed with the rollers in that lower position when
> ripping, I forgot to raise them back up, and had no problems.
>
> Now having said that the top bracket has 4 bolt holes that are elongated
> so that while setting up you move the roller up and down. You lay a
> strait edge on the table top on both sides to over hand the first
> column of rollers. When the roller is close to the bottom of the
> straight edges on both sides you tighten the 4 bolts. Then you drill
> and bolt the bottom bracket.
>
> Then the folding center support arm can be adjusted to bring the back
> rollers up or down, basically to have the out feed plane to be parallel
> to the TS top plane.
>
> With my old set up on my other saw I do not recall ever making another
> adjustment after the initial adjustment. I am sure that there was some
> settling over the past 13 years but I never felt the need to readjust.

One other thing, the instructions really really suck. They have changed
the design so that the bottom bracket can be adjusted up and down to
miss hitting a dust port. They simply modified the original set of
directions and left parts out. You really want to read the instructions
a couple of times to be familiar with what you are trying to do. You
build stuff, you can figure it out. There are simply a few steps that
leave you wondering and a few parts that have different names than the
list of parts.





n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

26/04/2013 7:42 AM

On 26 Apr 2013 07:34:34 GMT, Puckdropper
>My solution is simply to cook the whole thing and then refrigerate the
>excess. There's always a need to eat tomorrow.

What???? You're kidding right? You like that kind of food? You've
never frozen meat for future use? Never bought meat in any size bigger
than a few pounds? And, meat that is cooked and then refrigerated
doesn't come close to having the same taste as something just freshly
cooked.

What kind of palate do you have?

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:25 PM

On 4/25/2013 6:40 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/25/2013 1:01 PM, Leon wrote:
>> The latest.
>>
>>
>> Bringing'r in
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681424448/in/photostream
>>
>> Unpacking
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681425134/in/photostream/
>>
>> Unwrapped
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>> For you patent buffs
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>> Setting in the hydraulic mobile base
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680316593/in/photostream/
>>
>> The other stuff
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680318619/in/photostream/
>>
>> A lot of cast iron inside there
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680319295/in/photostream/
>>
>> The gears, notice the curved surface of the tilt rack to fit with the
>> worm gear
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8681429216/in/photostream/
> That's normal actually.
>>
>> Inside the left side of the saw door opening, lots more iron.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680320825/in/photostream/
>>
>> A reference for just how big those gears are. The worm gear is
>> approximately 1-1/2" in diameter.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/8680321455/in/photostream/
>>
>>
>> I got the industrial model and it weighs in at about 685 lbs with the 52
>> inch fence. Add 25lbs or so for the mobile base.
>>
>> The mobile base is sweeeeeet. 3 pumps on the right front pedal and the
>> saw is lifted up and all weight is transferred to the 4 corner wheels.
>> tap the "lower" lever and the saw floats to rest on the floor releasing
>> all weight from the wheels. This saw being about 200lbs heavier than my
>> old Jet cabinet saw is much easier to move than the Jet 3 wheel mobile
>> base and I thought that base was great. The new saw will almost roll
>> out of the garage on its own when lifted up on the wheels.
>>
>> At the risk of sounding like a broken record, Wow this thing is really
>> well built with great attention to details. No sharp edges found yet.
>>
>> Ill keep you posted as the saw and out feed comes together.
>>
>
> She looks beautiful. Enjoy..

Thank you

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 8:25 PM

On 4/25/2013 4:29 PM, ChairMan wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The latest.
>>
>>
> Congrats but there is some down side to your purchase.
> 1.Some assembly required.
> 2.Now you have to go back to work
>
>


The out feed roller extension was a task although all went smoothly.
It's the hoping you are drilling into cabinet in the right spot 6 times
that kinda gets to you. I have installed the same set up before on a
Jet cabinet saw some 13 years ago so I knew what to be where and aligned
with what. It was actually easier this time.

n

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

27/04/2013 3:30 AM

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 23:51:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>You never eat leftovers? Perhaps you don't know how to treat them for
>a second meal. I take them for lunch all the time.

Sure, but not as much as I used to. In this case, we're talking about
meat and I rarely eat it. I've pretty much lost my taste for leftover
meat. The only time I cook a roast beef is when I have friends over
and they usually take what's left home with them for sandwiches during
the week. I wouldn't eat it, so they might as well take it with them.

>Properly reheated, it is as good as the day it was cooked, exception
>being crispy chicken skin.

Maybe my reheating techniques need some improvement.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 25/04/2013 12:01 PM

25/04/2013 11:21 PM

On 4/25/2013 9:03 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I trust this will cure the table saw deficiency syndrome.

Already feeling more manly! LOL


>
> Looks like a quality tool. packed well, etc.

I think I would compare the build quality to my Laguna BS, perhaps better.


>
> How much trouble is it to align the top of the rollers to the table saw
> top? Any adjustability with the rollers?
>
>
>

Not a whole lot of trouble, sorta. The rollers don't spin perfectly so
there are high and low spots when they spin. We are only talking about
1/32" so it really is no big deal. The object is that the rollers
simply be close to being the same height as the table, better a bit low
than higher. After all, this thing is only there to keep the work from
tipping off the back end of the table top. This one and my old one
have a cam adjustment that lowers the front rollers 3/8" of an inch so
that when you cross cut the miter gauge bar will not hit the rollers. I
often used the out feed with the rollers in that lower position when
ripping, I forgot to raise them back up, and had no problems.

Now having said that the top bracket has 4 bolt holes that are elongated
so that while setting up you move the roller up and down. You lay a
strait edge on the table top on both sides to over hand the first
column of rollers. When the roller is close to the bottom of the
straight edges on both sides you tighten the 4 bolts. Then you drill
and bolt the bottom bracket.

Then the folding center support arm can be adjusted to bring the back
rollers up or down, basically to have the out feed plane to be parallel
to the TS top plane.

With my old set up on my other saw I do not recall ever making another
adjustment after the initial adjustment. I am sure that there was some
settling over the past 13 years but I never felt the need to readjust.


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