Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No. 700
bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and for 5
bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the soft
pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone know what
type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If necessary
I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
In article <[email protected]>, Swingman
<[email protected]> wrote:
> While not exactly a lost art, or rocket science, most folks today, when
> faced with choosing fence posts from a stack, would be hard pressed to pick
> the ideal ones for the job by just looking at the ends
Moot point. They'll all look the same... from the center of the log.
Upscale wrote:#Can't tell you what the material is, but should you not
be able to replace it, you might try a pair of these:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=31125&cat=1,41659
~~~~~
Thanks bud, if I can't find something similar I'll try those. Below is
a picture of the ones I described... Ray,
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo315/para9mm/projects/StanleyMo700Vice.jpg
In article <[email protected]>,
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> "R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Thanks bud, if I can't find something similar I'll try those. Below is
> > a picture of the ones I described... Ray,
> >
> http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo315/para9mm/projects/StanleyMo700Vice.jpg
> From what I can make out, it looks like a type of chipboard. I don't
> think you have to worry as much about what it is, rather find something
> that is likely softer than the wood you'd be working with. Even some
> slabs of hard rubber should be able to fill you needs.
Interesting. Traditionally, at least in the UK, a hardwood such as beech
would be used for this purpose. It would extend about 1/2" beyond the
metal, all round, and the metal recessed into it so that there is no risk
of edge tools coming in contact with the metal. It should be 1/2" thick,
not including the recess, and the grain should be vertical.
In article <[email protected]>,
MikeWhy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why vertical grain? I can see reason to prefer end grain, butcher block
> style, for the compressive load between the vise faces. I installed
> thick horizontal grain faces to extend the vise width. Racking so far
> isn't a problem. Why vertical grain?
It is the recommendation I read recently in some photocopies I made years
ago of some pages from a book which, I think, must have been published by
Record tools. (Now part of Irwin). The book has a lot of information about
planes, vices, and building work benches etc.
However, if your vice cheeks extend above the metal work (as I described
in my post) and you have to hold something like a piece of 2x1 flat, to
work on it's broad face, it is held largely by the wood with little metal
support behind it. If your grain is horizontal and you put a lot of
pressure on, the vice cheeks themselves can split along the grain.
It happened to me a while back and it was only recently when I was looking
at these pages, when they turned up in a draw I was going through, I
realised why the grain should be vertical.
I can see your reasoning too if you are trying to increase the effective
width of the vice and might possibly have something to hold that is held
just by the wood.
On the new bench I am working on, the vice cheeks are of substantial
plywood, for strength in both directions, faced with hardwood so the
hardwood is fully supported.
"R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4fecfcef-a61e-4604-9950-7ef67ba495ff@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Upscale wrote:#Can't tell you what the material is, but should you not
> be able to replace it, you might try a pair of these:
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=31125&cat=1,41659
>
> ~~~~~
> Thanks bud, if I can't find something similar I'll try those. Below is
> a picture of the ones I described... Ray,
> http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo315/para9mm/projects/StanleyMo700Vice.jpg
>
>
It looks like it's just glued on hardboard (the stuff pegboard is made of).
You should be able to get a piece at your local "home center" that you can
cut replacements out of. I can't tell by the pics how thick yours is. The
stuff available locally is 1/8 and 1/4 inch. I think you'd have to move
into fiberboard to get any thicker (or do 2 layers of 1/4 inch).
Ed
"R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Thanks bud, if I can't find something similar I'll try those. Below is
> a picture of the ones I described... Ray,
>
http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo315/para9mm/projects/StanleyMo700Vice.jpg
From what I can make out, it looks like a type of chipboard. I don't think
you have to worry as much about what it is, rather find something that is
likely softer than the wood you'd be working with. Even some slabs of hard
rubber should be able to fill you needs.
Will you be able to use one of those white cutting boards made of hard
plastic? It is widely available, cheap, and you should be able to cut
and shape it easily.
On Feb 15, 8:22=A0am, "R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No. 700
> bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and for 5
> bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the soft
> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
> similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone know what
> type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If necessary
> I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
R.M.R wrote:
> Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No. 700
> bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and for 5
> bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the soft
> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
> similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone know what
> type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If necessary
> I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
Five bills??? No vice is worth $500 :)
Use hardboard (Masonite).
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> R.M.R wrote:
>> Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No. 700
>> bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and for 5
>> bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the soft
>> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
>> similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone know what
>> type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If necessary
>> I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
>
> Five bills??? No vice is worth $500 :)
Sheesh, youse guys. Vise. VISE. A $500 VISE is over the top. A $5 VICE is
inconvenient, but hardly debilitating.
I've spent $500 or more on many of my vices. Booze, sports, even
gambling.
It is an expensive amount to spend on a vise, but a good Wilton
will run up in that neighborhood.
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"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> R.M.R wrote:
>> Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No.
>> 700
>> bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and
>> for 5
>> bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the
>> soft
>> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4"
>> thick
>> similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone
>> know what
>> type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If
>> necessary
>> I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
>
> Five bills??? No vice is worth $500 :)
>
> Use hardboard (Masonite).
>
> --
>
> dadiOH
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>
>
>
How about using one of those white cutting boards made of hard
plastic?
They are widely available, cheaper than wood, and easy to work with.
Andy Tenka
On Feb 15, 8:22=A0am, "R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No. 700
> bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and for 5
> bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the soft
> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
> similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone know what
> type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If necessary
> I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
"R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
> similar to peg board material seems to be worn.
Can't tell you what the material is, but should you not be able to replace
it, you might try a pair of these:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=31125&cat=1,41659
On Feb 15, 8:22=A0am, "R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Good day all. I have a question concerning an old Stanley No. 700
> bench vice that has soft pads. I bought it at a yard sale and for 5
> bills it was worth it after a little elbow grease , however the soft
> pads, that resemble a type of brownish material about 1/4" thick
> similar to peg board material seems to be worn. Would anyone know what
> type material it is or what would be a good substitute. If necessary
> I'll supply a picture. Thanks and have a safe day... Ray
You could use cork, Homasote or fiberboard. Homasote might be my
first choice as it's cheap enough. You can get it at any local art/
craft store.
R
"Stuart" wrote
> I can see your reasoning too if you are trying to increase the effective
> width of the vice and might possibly have something to hold that is held
> just by the wood.
Vertical grain, (i.e., "rift", "edge-grain", or "quarter sawn") is more
dimensionally stable across the face, and is less like to warp or cup since
most of dimensional instability is in thickness, important in a vise.
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R.M.R wrote:
> Upscale wrote:#Can't tell you what the material is, but should you not
> be able to replace it, you might try a pair of these:
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=31125&cat=1,41659
>
> ~~~~~
> Thanks bud, if I can't find something similar I'll try those. Below is
> a picture of the ones I described... Ray,
> http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo315/para9mm/projects/StanleyMo700Vice.jpg
Why don't you just use some white pine, or "white board" as it seems to
be called now? What you have looks like chip board, or wafer board,
whatever you call it. Pine is soft, cheap and 10 times better than chip
board.
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Swingman wrote:
> Most old timers considered "grain" as the most important attribute when
> choosing wood for a particular purpose. You see evidence of this in most of
> the older, 19th/early 20th century, literature on woodworking and carpentry.
>
> While not exactly a lost art, or rocket science, most folks today, when
> faced with choosing fence posts from a stack, would be hard pressed to pick
> the ideal ones for the job by just looking at the ends, or when siding a
> house, which grain direction would hold a paint job longer. :)
>
Are you kidding? They don't about grain anymore on finish carpentry.
How many times have I walked through the Lowes or HD cabinet section
and seen doors on which the rails and stiles look like different species?
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"MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Stuart" wrote
>>
>>> I can see your reasoning too if you are trying to increase the effective
>>> width of the vice and might possibly have something to hold that is held
>>> just by the wood.
>>
>> Vertical grain, (i.e., "rift", "edge-grain", or "quarter sawn") is more
>
> Oh. *That* vertical grain. Makes sense now.
Most old timers considered "grain" as the most important attribute when
choosing wood for a particular purpose. You see evidence of this in most of
the older, 19th/early 20th century, literature on woodworking and carpentry.
While not exactly a lost art, or rocket science, most folks today, when
faced with choosing fence posts from a stack, would be hard pressed to pick
the ideal ones for the job by just looking at the ends, or when siding a
house, which grain direction would hold a paint job longer. :)
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www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Stuart" wrote
>
>> I can see your reasoning too if you are trying to increase the effective
>> width of the vice and might possibly have something to hold that is held
>> just by the wood.
>
> Vertical grain, (i.e., "rift", "edge-grain", or "quarter sawn") is more
Oh. *That* vertical grain. Makes sense now.
"Stuart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "R.M.R" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > Thanks bud, if I can't find something similar I'll try those. Below is
>> > a picture of the ones I described... Ray,
>> >
>> http://i387.photobucket.com/albums/oo315/para9mm/projects/StanleyMo700Vice.jpg
>
>> From what I can make out, it looks like a type of chipboard. I don't
>> think you have to worry as much about what it is, rather find something
>> that is likely softer than the wood you'd be working with. Even some
>> slabs of hard rubber should be able to fill you needs.
>
> Interesting. Traditionally, at least in the UK, a hardwood such as beech
> would be used for this purpose. It would extend about 1/2" beyond the
> metal, all round, and the metal recessed into it so that there is no risk
> of edge tools coming in contact with the metal. It should be 1/2" thick,
> not including the recess, and the grain should be vertical.
Why vertical grain? I can see reason to prefer end grain, butcher block
style, for the compressive load between the vise faces. I installed thick
horizontal grain faces to extend the vise width. Racking so far isn't a
problem. Why vertical grain?