I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's
mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my lawn
mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I was
sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the blade and
thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to make it
balance perfectly.
The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room, cleaned
them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the while cursing
myself for being so safe.
I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that position I
would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered much
of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:qAIui.3596$9F4.2407@trndny04...
>
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of
> a near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of
> other's mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this
> thread dies with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or
> more?
>
A couple of weeks ago a buddy came over to use some of my tools. He's
probably got 2x the experience I do in woodwork and around a shop, but he
made a mistake. He was using the router in the router table, and put the
work pin on the wrong side of the router bit. Instead of giving him
protection from being drawn into the router, the pin served as a perfect
pivot to throw his small workpiece into the bit. His finger (or thumb, I
don't remember) hit the follower bearing on the bit instead of the cutting
surface, so he wasn't harmed. He was probably 1/4" away from losing part of
a finger. And routers, like belt sanders, don't leave pieces that can be
re-attached. They leave meat dust.
My most scary accident invloved TS kickback. I have a small shop, and
to rip anything over about 16" long I have to open the garage door (an
aluminum roll-up). I was working late, and went to trim a square
piece of 3/4" plywood that was about 14 X 16 inches. What I hadn't
accounted for was the vertical aluminum channel on the garage door,
which the plywood encounted, stopping the cut. Next thing I knew, the
plywood was gone, and my hands were holding air over my TS. The blade
had thown the board back at me spinning like a Frisbee, hitting me in
the stomach and side. Luckily, the spin was sympathetic, so it rolled
off me and continued into a stack of plastic totes, totally
demolishing them. A bruise on my belly, and a wake up call.
-Zz
A few weeks ago I was on a job where another fellow was installing
some baseboard. He is 61, been a "handyman" for years. He was
cutting some baseboard with his 10" chop saw. He was holding the
board with his left hand and had the blade turned to 45. What i think
happened was that he was used to making straight cuts and was holding
the board pretty close to the blade-then when he turned it for the 45
he didn't realize that the back of the blade was now that much closer
towards his hand. Left index finger cut about halfway through. He
cut a tendon and was heading to a hand specialist last I heard, likely
to surgery after that.
On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
> near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's
> mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
> with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
>
> Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my lawn
> mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I was
> sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the blade and
> thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to make it
> balance perfectly.
>
> The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
> two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
> protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
> I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
> well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room, cleaned
> them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the while cursing
> myself for being so safe.
>
> I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
> blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that position I
> would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered much
> of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
20+ years ago I was putting the railing on my deck and I used a couple
36" flat bar clamps to hold the railing to the posts temporarily. I
attached the clamps with the bars pointing out into the yard, not back
over the deck. I stepped back a few feet for a visual and then
walked towards to railing to adjust it. My eyes were focused on the
railing, not on the clamps, so I never saw the end of the steel bar
until it hit my safety glasses. It knocked them off and put a rather
large gash in my forehead, just above my left eye.
After I bandaged myself up and retrieved my safety glasses, I found a
deep scratch that started dead center in the left lens and extended up
to the frame. If not for the safety glasses deflecting the bar up
into my forehead, it would have gone straight into my left eye.
I still have a scar (and the railing) to remind me how important
safety glasses are.
On Aug 9, 9:12 pm, DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
> > near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's
> > mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
> > with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
>
> > Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my lawn
> > mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I was
> > sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the blade and
> > thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to make it
> > balance perfectly.
>
> > The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
> > two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
> > protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
> > I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
> > well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room, cleaned
> > them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the while cursing
> > myself for being so safe.
>
> > I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
> > blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that position I
> > would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered much
> > of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
>
> 20+ years ago I was putting the railing on my deck and I used a couple
> 36" flat bar clamps to hold the railing to the posts temporarily. I
> attached the clamps with the bars pointing out into the yard, not back
> over the deck. I stepped back a few feet for a visual and then
> walked towards to railing to adjust it. My eyes were focused on the
> railing, not on the clamps, so I never saw the end of the steel bar
> until it hit my safety glasses. It knocked them off and put a rather
> large gash in my forehead, just above my left eye.
>
> After I bandaged myself up and retrieved my safety glasses, I found a
> deep scratch that started dead center in the left lens and extended up
> to the frame. If not for the safety glasses deflecting the bar up
> into my forehead, it would have gone straight into my left eye.
>
> I still have a scar (and the railing) to remind me how important
> safety glasses are.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I always wear safety glasses anytime I am working on a project or
using a power tool. I even wear safety glasses when I mow the lawn.
However I was careless at my table saw once and the damage cost about
$3000. I needed to cut out some drawer bottoms from a 1/4" piece of
plywood. Carelessly, I didn't set the blade to the proper height and
I was a little careless holding the plywood against the fence. I was
wearing safety glasses. The peice of plywood kicked back and struck
the fore finger on my right hand. It stung for a moment but the pain
went away quickly. When I looked down at my hand the fore finger was
bent where there is no knuckle but the skin was not broken. I walked
from my shop to the house (about 100 yds) and had the wife take me to
the emergency room. The bone in the finger had a clean break. It
required surgery and a plate and screws were used to repair the
break. The finger still has a lot of scar tissue but it works
normally, no tendon damage. Always take the time to set the blade at
the proper height on a table saw. If I had set the blade at the right
height the kick back would not have been as severe.
A couple of weeks ago i was routing a curved piece of 3/4 MDF on the
router table for a form. i was wearing goggles and told my son to
leave the workshop until i was done. the edge caught the bit and i
let go.... the bit grabbed along the entire length of the heavy piece,
accelerating it and shooting it accros the room into a radiator cover
i was working on. the impact was as loud as a shotgun, and knocked
the radiator cover off the workbench with tremendous force. it was
scary and a reminder of what can happen. i was able to fix the damage
on the radiator cover, and will make sure my son is always out of
harms way.....maybe my wife would like to hang out in the workshop
next time ;)
On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
> near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's
> mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
> with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
>
> Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my lawn
> mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I was
> sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the blade and
> thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to make it
> balance perfectly.
>
> The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
> two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
> protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
> I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
> well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room, cleaned
> them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the while cursing
> myself for being so safe.
>
> I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
> blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that position I
> would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered much
> of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
I was using a can of spray paint and didn't point it in the right
direction...you can guess the rest.
THis was when was about 20. I've used eye protection when painting
ever since.
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On Aug 13, 7:24 pm, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
> > I believe both sides. But this reminds me. For what it's worth, when I was
> > becoming certified for scuba, the instructor pointed out that she was not
> > the slightest bit worried about the inexperienced divers such as us at the
> > time. It was always the experienced divers becoming overconfident, and
> > especially the experienced divers who have not dived in a long time and jump
> > right back into it, that too often get hurt. Or die.
>
> My diving instructor had us all play underwater rugby the first
> night.
> The idea was for someone to get, hold, and deposit a 5 pound block
> of rubber in a bucket at one end of the pool. Other than that, there
> were no rules. Now 8 feet of water isn't very deep, until you're
> near
> the bottom - with the "ball" - almost out of air and four or five
> guys
> allegedly trying to take the "ball" away from you but actually trying
> to drowned your sorry ass to eliminate some competition. The
> macho guys were the first ones that had to be pulled from the pool
> and resucitated after pushing themselves WAY passed their limit
> (or being held under well passed their limit).
>
> The lesson taught - when you're in or under the water - NEVER
> get even close to what you think is your limit. When your tank
> tells you it's time to surface - do it.
>
> Other lessons taught
>
> When a current grabs you go with it, fighting it will kill you.
> It WILL let you go after a while and the ride can be quite
> exilerating.
>
> If you don't know for sure that it's edible, don't shoot it.
>
> If you're not sure you can kill it - don't shoot it.
>
> At or below 60 feet, if you see a liquid in your mask that
> ain't water clear but rather sort of green - DO NOT CLEAR
> YOUR MASK - that's blood - the water filters out red first.
> Head up and out and find out why your nose is bleeding.
>
> Always dive with at least one partner - and keep him/her
> on the "blue water" side - cuts your chances of getting
> shark bit in half, even lower if you're on the shallow
> water side.
>
> NEVER get out of the water with a loaded speargun.
>
> DO NOT point a loaded spear gun at your instructor and
> show him how you bent your spear point on a rock with
> your last shot. ( I actually saw a student do that. He
> spent a two day trip sitting on board while the rest of
> us were out for grouper and lobsters) .
>
> If you're dumb enough to shoot a Parrot Fish, don't
> show it to your diving instructor or brag about the
> BIG fish you got. Parrot Fish are the puppy dogs of
> the reef -and they put a lot of blood in the water
> if you poke a hole in them.
>
> Unless you absolutely know what's in a hole - DO NOT
> STICK YOUR ARM IN IT.
>
> If you aren't sure the opening in the other end is
> big enough for you to get through DO NOT SWIM
> INTO A CAVE / TUNNEL.
>
> Back to woodworking
>
> If that little voice in the back of your head is saying
> "DON"T DO IT!" - then don't do it, whatever "it" is.
>
> An often overlooked danger - you've just milled up
> a board and it now has nice square corners and nice
> square edges. They WILL cut you if they have a
> chance to slide against your tissue. So if you grab
> that freshly milled Four Square board, make sure
> you've got a good grip on it - or have BandAids
> readily available.
>
> DO NOT move cut offs away from a running bandsaw
> blade with any part of your body.
>
> If something doesn't sound right - find out why.\
>
> When a chisel or anything else with a sharp cutting
> edge is falling off your bench DO NOT TRY AND CATCH
> IT.
>
> If your jaw is clenched or your shoulders are tight
> your body is trying to tell you something. Find out
> what that is ASAP.
>
> If you work alone in a detached building, or even a
> basement, keep a portable phone or cell phone on
> you. You may be the only one who can call 911 in
> time.
>
> A full sheet of 3/4" MDF is heavy and slippery.
> If you're lifting it off a table or bench to get
> it vertical for carrying, and it slips, all that weight
> and all that momentum will usually land on one or
> both of your feet. Get help or cut it down to
> manageable pieces.
>
> Nail guns, and even pin nailers may not drive the
> nail like you think they will. Shooting a nail -
> even a pin nail - into your finger and thumb is
> not a good idea. Keep fingers and thumbs well
> away from where the nail MIGHT go.
>
> charlie b
My diving instructor had us peel and eat a banana while under
water.
on 8/10/2007 11:11 AM Bill said the following:
> The problem I see with accidents and the young people around here, is they
> do not want to follow rules. Any rules!
>
> The respect they get from their friends grows with the severity of the
> accidents they have. The worse the accident, the more "respect" they get
> from their "friends".
>
> Their thinking is: Don't read any rules. Don't follow any rules. Do the
> opposite!
>
> What they don't understand is that many rules/laws are in place to protect
> THEM. This is advice handed down from others who have had accidents or by a
> community which wants to prevent such accidents from occurring in the
> future.
>
> I'm talking about safety rules in the front of instruction manuals, OSHA
> rules, driving laws/rules, building code rules, etc.
>
> No one ever thinks about WHY rules/laws were created in the first place. Why
> it says to wear safety goggles. Why there is a speed limit. Why you should
> wear a safety harness when working high up. Etc.
>
> Actually these rules/laws are a detailed history of accidents which have
> happened in the past. So when it says to wear eye protection, this is
> because someone has used that piece of equipment in the past and had an eye
> injury. Or the electrical code says to do your wiring in a certain manner -
> well someone died in the past or was electrocuted because the wiring was not
> done in this manner.
>
> So these young people can start their lives by reading and following
> rules/laws. Or they can place their lives in the hands of Darwin... (In my
> area, Darwin has claimed the lives of 3 young people already this summer.)
> Needless...
All kids are immortal and immune to things that happen to other people.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
on 8/10/2007 2:28 PM B A R R Y said the following:
> Doug Miller wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely
>> recovered. His left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be;
>> other than that, he's fine, and has been playing soccer again for a
>> couple weeks now.
>
> I didn't look, thanks for the warning. It's good to hear he's OK!
> Lawnmowers can do ugly things.
The pic is not that bad. No foot in the pic, just a sneaker and sock. My
Golden Retriever, as a pup, did more damage to one of my shoes than that
mower. :-)
--
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In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @
on 8/10/2007 5:11 PM Thomas G. Marshall said the following:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> on 8/10/2007 2:28 PM B A R R Y said the following:
>>
>>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely recovered.
>>>> His left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be; other than
>>>> that, he's fine, and has been playing soccer again for a couple weeks
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>> I didn't look, thanks for the warning. It's good to hear he's OK!
>>> Lawnmowers can do ugly things.
>>>
>> The pic is not that bad. No foot in the pic, just a sneaker and sock. My
>> Golden Retriever, as a pup, did more damage to one of my shoes than that
>> mower. :-)
>>
>
> Best dogs ever. Will love you to death. Both sides of our family have had
> them from way before they were popular. Lots of great stories. But them
> razor puppy teeth......they're like a buck saw on anything they happen
> across...
...and except for the hair. Sheds 24/7/365. Vacuum one day and have
little tumbleweeds in the corners next day. We have a central vacuum and
the app. 25 gallon can gets filled to the top with hair every couple of
months. Enough to build another dog.
--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
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Wayne Whitney wrote:
> On 2007-08-10, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hence, I always wear a full-face shield when operating power tools
>> -- and some hand tools, too, like hammers.
>
> How do you find that to work for you? I've found my face shield is
> easily scratched (polycarbonate) and gets dusty very easily. So using
> it is rather a nuisance, is there any way to reduce that?
>
> Thanks, Wayne
>
After it has been on a few moments, the dust seems to disappear.
ill
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(Thomas=A0G.=A0Marshall) doth query:
<snip> Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more? <snip>
Yeah. Check the archives.
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?as_ugroup=3Drec.woodworking=
&lr=3D&num=3D30
JOAT
I do things I don't know how to do, so that I might learn how to do
them.
- Picasso
I've got three - all the results of flat out ignorance.
The first involved a bandsaw - and a bandsaw blade with
what I NOW know was a bad weld. Though I'd heard the
tic-tic-tic of the bad weld as it passed the blade guides,
I lacked the knowledge to interpret what that sound
meant. When the band's weld failed the resulting noise
as it accordianed into the blade quard stopped my ability
to breath and I think it stopped my heart - for several
moments. The thought of what would've happened if
the broken band hadn't been constrained in the blade
guard causes shudders.
The second involved a 12" sliding compound miter saw.
I had a piece of wood about 8" wide and maybe 6" long.
I needed it to be a 6" square. I hadn't acquired a table
saw yet and couldn't figure out how to hold the stock
so I could rip it to the desired width with a handheld
circular saw. SO - I pressed the 8" width against the
SCMS fence, and holding it "firmly" with my left hand,
tried to cut 2" of the width of the part. BIG Mistake!
A "moments diagram" would have shown me that the
force I was applying with my left hand 4" from the
fulcrum of an 6 inch lever and the force applied by
a 1 hp, 12" diameter circular saw turning at maybe
6-8000 rpms at 2" from the fulcrum (2" of the part
was passed the SCMS's fence) was no where near
the same. The saw won, I somehow didn't break my
thumb, or fingers, or wrist - and I miraculously was
not struck by either flying piece of wood - nor
did any part of me contact any of the spinning
pieces of sharp carbide. The memory of that really
stupid move causes both a shudder AND rates up
there as a 9 on The Pucker Scale.
The third easily avoidable Dumb Move involved
a tight mortise and tenon joint. A blow to the
head can actually cause you to see stars.
http://web.hypersurf.com/~charlie2/OOPS/OOPS1.html
Woodworkers Central has an Accident Survey page
worth exploring
http://www.woodworking2.org/AccidentSurvey/search.htm
And here's some stuff I put together on "kickback"
which may save someone some grief
http://web.hypersurf.com/~charlie2/KickBack/KickBack1.html
charlie b
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
> I believe both sides. But this reminds me. For what it's worth, when I was
> becoming certified for scuba, the instructor pointed out that she was not
> the slightest bit worried about the inexperienced divers such as us at the
> time. It was always the experienced divers becoming overconfident, and
> especially the experienced divers who have not dived in a long time and jump
> right back into it, that too often get hurt. Or die.
My diving instructor had us all play underwater rugby the first
night.
The idea was for someone to get, hold, and deposit a 5 pound block
of rubber in a bucket at one end of the pool. Other than that, there
were no rules. Now 8 feet of water isn't very deep, until you're
near
the bottom - with the "ball" - almost out of air and four or five
guys
allegedly trying to take the "ball" away from you but actually trying
to drowned your sorry ass to eliminate some competition. The
macho guys were the first ones that had to be pulled from the pool
and resucitated after pushing themselves WAY passed their limit
(or being held under well passed their limit).
The lesson taught - when you're in or under the water - NEVER
get even close to what you think is your limit. When your tank
tells you it's time to surface - do it.
Other lessons taught
When a current grabs you go with it, fighting it will kill you.
It WILL let you go after a while and the ride can be quite
exilerating.
If you don't know for sure that it's edible, don't shoot it.
If you're not sure you can kill it - don't shoot it.
At or below 60 feet, if you see a liquid in your mask that
ain't water clear but rather sort of green - DO NOT CLEAR
YOUR MASK - that's blood - the water filters out red first.
Head up and out and find out why your nose is bleeding.
Always dive with at least one partner - and keep him/her
on the "blue water" side - cuts your chances of getting
shark bit in half, even lower if you're on the shallow
water side.
NEVER get out of the water with a loaded speargun.
DO NOT point a loaded spear gun at your instructor and
show him how you bent your spear point on a rock with
your last shot. ( I actually saw a student do that. He
spent a two day trip sitting on board while the rest of
us were out for grouper and lobsters) .
If you're dumb enough to shoot a Parrot Fish, don't
show it to your diving instructor or brag about the
BIG fish you got. Parrot Fish are the puppy dogs of
the reef -and they put a lot of blood in the water
if you poke a hole in them.
Unless you absolutely know what's in a hole - DO NOT
STICK YOUR ARM IN IT.
If you aren't sure the opening in the other end is
big enough for you to get through DO NOT SWIM
INTO A CAVE / TUNNEL.
Back to woodworking
If that little voice in the back of your head is saying
"DON"T DO IT!" - then don't do it, whatever "it" is.
An often overlooked danger - you've just milled up
a board and it now has nice square corners and nice
square edges. They WILL cut you if they have a
chance to slide against your tissue. So if you grab
that freshly milled Four Square board, make sure
you've got a good grip on it - or have BandAids
readily available.
DO NOT move cut offs away from a running bandsaw
blade with any part of your body.
If something doesn't sound right - find out why.\
When a chisel or anything else with a sharp cutting
edge is falling off your bench DO NOT TRY AND CATCH
IT.
If your jaw is clenched or your shoulders are tight
your body is trying to tell you something. Find out
what that is ASAP.
If you work alone in a detached building, or even a
basement, keep a portable phone or cell phone on
you. You may be the only one who can call 911 in
time.
A full sheet of 3/4" MDF is heavy and slippery.
If you're lifting it off a table or bench to get
it vertical for carrying, and it slips, all that weight
and all that momentum will usually land on one or
both of your feet. Get help or cut it down to
manageable pieces.
Nail guns, and even pin nailers may not drive the
nail like you think they will. Shooting a nail -
even a pin nail - into your finger and thumb is
not a good idea. Keep fingers and thumbs well
away from where the nail MIGHT go.
charlie b
"Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a near-miss. Then I
> figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's mishaps and close-calls to know what is
> dangerous. Maybe this thread dies with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or
> more?
>
Mine is a table saw kick-back story. I had removed the blade guard since I was cutting a lot of dadoes
(I know, I know, but Norm does it!).
Turns out the fence was slightly out of alignment with the blade, and a piece of plywood I was cutting
bound up on the back of the blade. The blade lifted the plywood and the top of the blade caught it and
hurled it at my stomach. Ripped a perfectly good plaid shirt, and raised several lumps, though no
breaks in the skin. The plywood was all dinged up afterwards too.
Moral of the story. Check the alignment of the rip fence with the blade weekly. Use a ruler, and align
with the same tooth at the front and at the back.
"B A R R Y" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
>> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a near-miss.
>
> A quick point about eye wear.
>
> Obviously, eye protection helps protect our eyes from direct damage.
>
> A less mentioned benefit is that even nuisance dust can cause an eye to blink, blur or heavily tear.
> Even though light dust irritation is usually recoverable and only a nuisance, the thought of having
> my eyes closed while my hands are near spinning blades and bits, or my bicycle is traveling at
> decent speeds gives me the heebie-jeebies.
I find the glasses steam up after a few minutes, especially wearing a mask filter too. One of those
whole-face guards that the Normster uses on the lathe is much better. Can't afford a sealing version
with the filter and motorised fan though.
I've seem most of the ones listed but there is one I
didn't notice.
I was death on my men laying a Skil saw down on the
guard. To start with, you can spring the guard that
way but I once saw a man lay it down on the guard and
the guard was stuck UP. It came right across the top
of his shoe. He was lucky that the blade was stopping
and it didn't get through the shoe.
"Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]>
wrote in message news:qAIui.3596$9F4.2407@trndny04...
>
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear
> with my quick story of a near-miss. Then I figured
> that what I really wanted was to read of other's
> mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous.
> Maybe this thread dies with 1 post, I hope not.
> Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
>
You lay it on it's side. Re: of course to the mod 77.
"Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]>
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>
> "Glenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I've seem most of the ones listed but there is one I
>> didn't notice.
>>
>> I was death on my men laying a Skil saw down on the
>> guard. To start with, you can spring the guard that
>> way but I once saw a man lay it down on the guard
>> and the guard was stuck UP. It came right across
>> the top of his shoe. He was lucky that the blade
>> was stopping and it didn't get through the shoe.
>
> I always do that, and always feel funny about it.
>
> The guys who built my deck had removed all the blade
> guards, because apparently they felt they got in the
> way. So they were regularly flipping them
> upside-down on the deck, spinning teeth free to hit
> anything.
>
> Also, not one eye goggle. Not one mask (the holding
> structure was PT).
>
Mine involves 3 seperate incidents. Did I learn from them, yes and no.
The first is when I was using a RAS to rip some wood. I know, I know
shouldn't have done it, but it was that or a hand saw. Anyways, the wood I
was ripping grabbed and sucked my finger in with it. It left a nice little
dent in my right index finger that the ER could only clean up. Leason
learned: Don't use the RAS to rip lumber.
The next one comes from the "why kids shouldn't be allowed in the shop
unless they have warning lights and 120db sirens on" department. One nice
winter afternoon, I was tuning up my jointer. I had just finished setting
blade height and decided to run a test piece through. I didn't hear the door
open when my daughter decided to come in. I started the jointer and began to
run the piece through when I hear a big loud "BOO". Startled, My hand tries
to reach for the on off switch but instead comes in contact with the spining
blades. I get it shut off and look at my finger expecting to see it mangled.
I was surprised that I didn't even have a scratch. Leason learned: Lock the
doors while using power tools.
The last is from the "you should practice with the machine off" department.
I finally got a new table saw. I spent the better part of the day putting it
together and came time for the first cut. I practiced using the miter guage
and sliding it because the table was shorter than what I was used to. I
turned the saw on and instead of doing it the way I practiced, I decided to
freehand it. Well I lost the hand position to blade spatial relationship and
I felt the nick in my finger. Needless to say I knew there wasn't anything
the ER could do. Took 2 weeks before I used the TS again. Leason learned:
Alcohol, power tools, and a late night don't mix.
Allen
"Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:qAIui.3596$9F4.2407@trndny04...
>
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of
> a near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of
> other's mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this
> thread dies with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or
> more?
>
> Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my lawn
> mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I
> was sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the
> blade and thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to
> make it balance perfectly.
>
> The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
> two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
> protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
> I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
> well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room,
> cleaned them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the
> while cursing myself for being so safe.
>
> I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
> blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that position
> I would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered
> much of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
>
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The problem I see with accidents and the young people around here, is they
> do not want to follow rules. Any rules!
>
> The respect they get from their friends grows with the severity of the
> accidents they have. The worse the accident, the more "respect" they get
> from their "friends".
>
> Their thinking is: Don't read any rules. Don't follow any rules. Do the
> opposite!
>
> What they don't understand is that many rules/laws are in place to protect
> THEM. This is advice handed down from others who have had accidents or by
> a community which wants to prevent such accidents from occurring in the
> future.
>
> I'm talking about safety rules in the front of instruction manuals, OSHA
> rules, driving laws/rules, building code rules, etc.
>
> No one ever thinks about WHY rules/laws were created in the first place.
> Why it says to wear safety goggles. Why there is a speed limit. Why you
> should wear a safety harness when working high up. Etc.
>
> Actually these rules/laws are a detailed history of accidents which have
> happened in the past. So when it says to wear eye protection, this is
> because someone has used that piece of equipment in the past and had an
> eye injury. Or the electrical code says to do your wiring in a certain
> manner - well someone died in the past or was electrocuted because the
> wiring was not done in this manner.
>
> So these young people can start their lives by reading and following
> rules/laws. Or they can place their lives in the hands of Darwin... (In my
> area, Darwin has claimed the lives of 3 young people already this summer.)
> Needless...
>
>
To be honest, I have seen more accidents in my 20+ years of commercial
construction that were caused by careless "old timers" who were confident
that they were in complete control. I have corrected safety issues with the
younger guys on the site, but the seasoned vets believe they know more than
I do and continue on doing it however they want.
Charlie
"BillinDetroit" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Wayne Whitney wrote:
>> On 2007-08-10, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hence, I always wear a full-face shield when operating power tools
>>> -- and some hand tools, too, like hammers.
>>
>> How do you find that to work for you? I've found my face shield is
>> easily scratched (polycarbonate) and gets dusty very easily. So using
>> it is rather a nuisance, is there any way to reduce that?
>>
>> Thanks, Wayne
>>
>
> After it has been on a few moments, the dust seems to disappear.
The interesting part is when you haven't done any ww for a few weeks, and then put the facemask on
without checking it first. Bloody spiders.
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
<nega-snip of quoted text>
> My diving instructor had us peel and eat a banana while under
> water.
>
I think the word you are looking for is "snip" ;-)
"Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> <nega-snip of quoted text>
>>
>>> My diving instructor had us peel and eat a banana while under
>>> water.
>>>
>>
>> I think the word you are looking for is "snip" ;-)
>
> I think the word you are looking for is "mega" ;)
>
ooops!
The problem I see with accidents and the young people around here, is they
do not want to follow rules. Any rules!
The respect they get from their friends grows with the severity of the
accidents they have. The worse the accident, the more "respect" they get
from their "friends".
Their thinking is: Don't read any rules. Don't follow any rules. Do the
opposite!
What they don't understand is that many rules/laws are in place to protect
THEM. This is advice handed down from others who have had accidents or by a
community which wants to prevent such accidents from occurring in the
future.
I'm talking about safety rules in the front of instruction manuals, OSHA
rules, driving laws/rules, building code rules, etc.
No one ever thinks about WHY rules/laws were created in the first place. Why
it says to wear safety goggles. Why there is a speed limit. Why you should
wear a safety harness when working high up. Etc.
Actually these rules/laws are a detailed history of accidents which have
happened in the past. So when it says to wear eye protection, this is
because someone has used that piece of equipment in the past and had an eye
injury. Or the electrical code says to do your wiring in a certain manner -
well someone died in the past or was electrocuted because the wiring was not
done in this manner.
So these young people can start their lives by reading and following
rules/laws. Or they can place their lives in the hands of Darwin... (In my
area, Darwin has claimed the lives of 3 young people already this summer.)
Needless...
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:39:38 -0700, charlieb <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>The third easily avoidable Dumb Move involved
>a tight mortise and tenon joint. A blow to the
>head can actually cause you to see stars.
>
I laughed when I read that one...
A few years ago I was getting into my truck, a good climb up. Winter,
lot's of ice, and my legs shot out from under me, and went under the
truck, and down I went, seemingly head first.
My head hit the ice, and I *heard* the most incredible 'boing' sound
ever. I never knew the skull was resonate until that day, but you saw
stars--I heard bells ringing.
Funny thing was that I didn't even get a headache, but it sure scared
the living daylights out of me--I figured I'd fractured my skull. <bg>
I'm now much more careful about getting in and out of the truck too.
Doug Miller wrote:
>
> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely recovered. His
> left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be; other than that, he's
> fine, and has been playing soccer again for a couple weeks now.
I didn't look, thanks for the warning. It's good to hear he's OK!
Lawnmowers can do ugly things.
"Charlie" <None> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
...[rip]...
>> So these young people can start their lives by reading and following
>> rules/laws. Or they can place their lives in the hands of Darwin... (In
>> my area, Darwin has claimed the lives of 3 young people already this
>> summer.) Needless...
>
> To be honest, I have seen more accidents in my 20+ years of commercial
> construction that were caused by careless "old timers" who were confident
> that they were in complete control. I have corrected safety issues with
> the younger guys on the site, but the seasoned vets believe they know more
> than I do and continue on doing it however they want.
>
> Charlie
I believe both sides. But this reminds me. For what it's worth, when I was
becoming certified for scuba, the instructor pointed out that she was not
the slightest bit worried about the inexperienced divers such as us at the
time. It was always the experienced divers becoming overconfident, and
especially the experienced divers who have not dived in a long time and jump
right back into it, that too often get hurt. Or die.
In article <[email protected]>, B A R R Y <[email protected]> wrote:
>Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
>> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
>> near-miss.
>
>A quick point about eye wear.
>
>Obviously, eye protection helps protect our eyes from direct damage.
>
>A less mentioned benefit is that even nuisance dust can cause an eye to
>blink, blur or heavily tear. Even though light dust irritation is
>usually recoverable and only a nuisance, the thought of having my eyes
>closed while my hands are near spinning blades and bits, or my bicycle
>is traveling at decent speeds gives me the heebie-jeebies.
Another less-mentioned -- and less-appreciated -- point is that there are
other parts of your face besides your eyes that should be protected. I don't
believe I'd much enjoy catching chunk of wood in the teeth, or the nose.
Hence, I always wear a full-face shield when operating power tools -- and some
hand tools, too, like hammers.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
In article <lE4vi.12$eb4.5@trndny08>,
[email protected] says...
>
> The guys who built my deck had removed all the blade guards, because
> apparently they felt they got in the way. So they were regularly flipping
> them upside-down on the deck, spinning teeth free to hit anything.
>
> Also, not one eye goggle. Not one mask (the holding structure was PT).
>
Ah, Real Manly Men.
In this country you can see them standing in a field, next to their tractor
with a big spraytank, putting poison on their pastures clad in nothing but
ankle high boots, shorts and a sleeveless undershirt; hat is optionial.
Of course you find them on our building sites as well, but since our OSH has
started to come down on the employers Really Hard, most cowboys find they have
to buck up or butt out. Those guys of yours would mend their ways or find
themselves to be unemployable here pretty smartly.
-P.
--
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firstname dot lastname at gmail fullstop com
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> The first is when I was using a RAS to rip some wood. I know, I know
> shouldn't have done it, but it was that or a hand saw. Anyways, the wood I
> was ripping grabbed and sucked my finger in with it. It left a nice little
> dent in my right index finger that the ER could only clean up. Leason
> learned: Don't use the RAS to rip lumber.
>
Sounds like you were ripping the wrong direction, maybe? My RAS spits things
out when I rip, and doesn't suck them in. Just as important to have the fence
parallel to the blade as on a table saw, using a very robust 'featherboard'
I find ripping on the RAS to be extremely unpleasant due to lots of detritus in
the face, but never had a problem. Generally I use the bandsaw for ripping, but
I've had to do some weathergrooves in vertical cladding and did that on the
RAS.
What I have had a problem with was the RAS chucking stuff when crosscutting wet
timber. In the days before drop saws were readily available I used my RAS on a
couple of building sites. Had two or three 4x2 offcuts flung 10-30 metres
across the paddock (out the back of the saw). Just as well nobody but me on the
site. Same in my workshop once: 'Whoomp' into the wall behind the saw.
The other day I had another RAS incident. I was checking out a shoulder for a
joint on a board, and I had the board standing on edge against the fence on the
RAS. The saw grabbed the board and sucked it between saw and fence (in other
words, the fence was too low for the job, less than half the height of the
board I was cutting. Nothing got close to my body or extremities, but the board
was shattered needless to say. Lesson learned.
The last one is close to your 'kids' one, and shows that this should also apply
to (certain) parents. I was working on the bandsaw one day when my father
walked in, grabbed a piece of timber and, slapstick fashion, turned around with
it and hit me in the elbow from behind. The bandsaw blade went through my
thumbnail but did not quite nick the skin. I felt it though. Phew. I am not
sure he even saw I was there, he's that non-perceptive and narrow focussed.
Close call, indeed.
Well, both my parents are people who have never been around powertools and have
no sense of self-preservation at all. When they get within 15' of me working
the chainsaw I now turn it off and stand and wait. They're in their 80ies, and
sadly not the most sensible people any more. (The above incident happened
around 15 years ago, mind).
But in general I have become very very leery of having people walk behind my
back when I am wielding anything sharp edged or using powertools since. I even
stop cutting bread when my wife crosses behind my back, which she just can't
understand the why of ;-)
-Peter
--
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In article <[email protected]>, d@p says...
> >
> > After it has been on a few moments, the dust seems to disappear.
>
> The interesting part is when you haven't done any ww for a few weeks, and then put the facemask on
> without checking it first. Bloody spiders.
>
spiders, that's my welding helmet ... I have to scrape the spider crap off the
glass at times when I haven't used it for a year or so ;-)
But the face shield thing has never worked for me. After half a mo' it used to
be so full of [muck] from the outside and so full of fog from the inside that
it became more dangerous working with it ON than OFF. So I stick with safety
glasses. The new ones have inserts with lenses for close work, which is even
better. Damn, but my eyes are going downhill fast.
-P.
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firstname dot lastname at gmail fullstop com
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> John B wrote:
>> Snip
>>> DO NOT point a loaded spear gun at your instructor and
>>> show him how you bent your spear point on a rock with
>>> your last shot. ( I actually saw a student do that. He
>>> spent a two day trip sitting on board while the rest of
>>> us were out for grouper and lobsters) .
>>>
>> When I was in the Army, we had a recruit point an SLR at the
>> Instructor saying "It's jammed I think Sarg". Well I think he got the
>> "Sarg" bit out just before the barrel was pushed to one side and a
>> bunch of fives caught him on the chin.
>> He sure learnt a lesson and the rest of us watching did to.
>>
>> Sometimes Words just ain't enough :)
>
> When I was taking a CCW class, one of the participants, not paying
> attention to the muzzle, pointed a loaded pistol at the instructor. The
> instructor very politely asked him for the gun, asked him to leave, and
> then told the rest of us that that guy was not going to get his CCW, not
> now, not _ever_.
To get a CCP? I'm not a gun guy. In any case, the instructor might well
have been using this as a perfect opportunity to drive home the point to
every other member in the class. IOW, if that guy had been the sole
student, he would have merely gotten a severe talking-to.
Perfectly valid technique. Could well have staved off some serious injuries
or deaths over his lifetime as an instructor. Good for him. I'm thinking
the seargent's knuckle approach was a little better. I'm wondering if OSHA
would allow that for pointing nailguns around, like some of the lesser
thinking construction hacks have been known to do from time to time. (Or so
I'm told).
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
> near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's
> mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
> with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
When I was a noob, I was using a fence mounted stop block to cut equal
length parts. A properly sized stop ends well before the blade starts.
Unfortunately, my stop was too long, extending to the area between the
fence and blade.
A cutoff got trapped between the blade and fence, and was launched like
a pitching machine. I got hit in the lower gut hard enough to
initially believe I would soon die. Luckily, the wood had hit my thumb
first. I broke my thumb, but the emergency room folks thought it took
some of the energy away from my abdominal impact.
I've been hit by frozen pucks, hockey sticks, linebackers, the ground
and curbing during serious bicycle crashes, I've stuck my hand into
large scale r/c propellers and had one serious auto accident. This
injury hurt worse than any of that.
A second thought and review of the procedure before the first cut would
have prevented the accident.
Let's be safe...
In article <[email protected]>, Wayne Whitney <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2007-08-10, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hence, I always wear a full-face shield when operating power tools
>> -- and some hand tools, too, like hammers.
>
>How do you find that to work for you? I've found my face shield is
>easily scratched (polycarbonate) and gets dusty very easily. So using
>it is rather a nuisance, is there any way to reduce that?
I haven't found that to be a problem.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
While helping rebuild a porch, using a palm nailer, my dad pulled a good
one, I had been using it a bit so I kinda had it figured out, BTW the palm
nailer is a great little tool in tight spaces, and uses common nails, told
my dad how to use it, told him to place the nail into the snout of the
nailer and then press the nail where you want to nail it and push in on the
nailer, guess age is catching up with his hearing, or he condensed it to
push the nail into the nailer, anyway, next thing I hear, the palm nailer
went off, I turn back, he is looking at it like, "what happend" he pushed
the nail into the barrel a bit too hard and it fired the nail out of it,
good thing he was pointing it away from him at the time, we never found that
nail, got the porch done with no more runaway nails.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:qAIui.3596$9F4.2407@trndny04...
>
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of
a
> near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of
other's
> mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
> with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
"Dave Gordon" <d@p> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> <nega-snip of quoted text>
>
>> My diving instructor had us peel and eat a banana while under
>> water.
>>
>
> I think the word you are looking for is "snip" ;-)
I think the word you are looking for is "mega" ;)
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:02:17 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>...[snip]...
>
>> [...] Always take the time to set the blade at
>> the proper height on a table saw. If I had set the blade at the right
>> height the kick back would not have been as severe.
>
>
>Is there a proper height rule-of-thumb for hand-held circular saws? I've
>often wondered what was optimal, safe, or both.
>
As in never higher than your shoulders?
In article <[email protected]>, willshak <[email protected]> wrote:
>All kids are immortal and immune to things that happen to other people.
My son (just turned 16) received a painful reminder of his own mortality from
a lawnmower at the end of June:
http://www.milmac.com/MangledShoe.jpg <WARNING: not for the faint of heart>
Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely recovered. His
left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be; other than that, he's
fine, and has been playing soccer again for a couple weeks now.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
mattblack wrote:
> A few weeks ago I was on a job where another fellow was installing
> some baseboard. He is 61, been a "handyman" for years. He was
> cutting some baseboard with his 10" chop saw. He was holding the
> board with his left hand and had the blade turned to 45. What i think
> happened was that he was used to making straight cuts and was holding
> the board pretty close to the blade-then when he turned it for the 45
> he didn't realize that the back of the blade was now that much closer
> towards his hand. Left index finger cut about halfway through. He
> cut a tendon and was heading to a hand specialist last I heard, likely
> to surgery after that.
>
I had a similar thing happen to me a few months ago.
Knocked a good piece out of my left index finger. Just a momentary lack
of concentration and bang, those machines never apologise.
Went up to the house, poured betadine all over the finger wrapped it in
a dressing and drove down to the local hospital. Was a fun drive as the
ute is a manual 4sp column shift.(We shift with our left hands in Oz)
Nothing much they could do at the hospital as there was nothing left to
stitch over the wound, so a more professional dressing was applied and
home I went.
The finger has a dent in it is still tender
regards
John
bob wrote:
> Read somwhere that a lady was knitting sweaters ought of dog hair, wouln't
> that be a hoot!
Apparently, that is not new. The Scots used to use the shed and brushed
fur from their collie dogs for jumpers. As I own a Collie I can attest
to fact that she sheds enough to make a three piece suit every year :)
A Scottish breakfast
1. Porridge
2. Glass of Scotch
3. Collie Dog
The dog eats the porridge
regards
John
Snip
> DO NOT point a loaded spear gun at your instructor and
> show him how you bent your spear point on a rock with
> your last shot. ( I actually saw a student do that. He
> spent a two day trip sitting on board while the rest of
> us were out for grouper and lobsters) .
>
When I was in the Army, we had a recruit point an SLR at the Instructor
saying "It's jammed I think Sarg". Well I think he got the "Sarg" bit
out just before the barrel was pushed to one side and a bunch of fives
caught him on the chin.
He sure learnt a lesson and the rest of us watching did to.
Sometimes Words just ain't enough :)
regards
John
John B wrote:
> Snip
>> DO NOT point a loaded spear gun at your instructor and
>> show him how you bent your spear point on a rock with
>> your last shot. ( I actually saw a student do that. He
>> spent a two day trip sitting on board while the rest of
>> us were out for grouper and lobsters) .
>>
> When I was in the Army, we had a recruit point an SLR at the
> Instructor saying "It's jammed I think Sarg". Well I think he got the
> "Sarg" bit out just before the barrel was pushed to one side and a
> bunch of fives caught him on the chin.
> He sure learnt a lesson and the rest of us watching did to.
>
> Sometimes Words just ain't enough :)
When I was taking a CCW class, one of the participants, not paying
attention to the muzzle, pointed a loaded pistol at the instructor. The
instructor very politely asked him for the gun, asked him to leave, and
then told the rest of us that that guy was not going to get his CCW, not
now, not _ever_.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
A white sheppard puppy can do some dammage with teeth too, they razor sharp
and curved, ours caught me right at the edge of my finger nail while I was
feeding her something, it sank in and I jerked back, OUCH ripped out some
meat there with it also, hurt for a month.
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 8/10/2007 2:28 PM B A R R Y said the following:
> > Doug Miller wrote:
> >>
> >> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely
> >> recovered. His left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be;
> >> other than that, he's fine, and has been playing soccer again for a
> >> couple weeks now.
> >
> > I didn't look, thanks for the warning. It's good to hear he's OK!
> > Lawnmowers can do ugly things.
>
> The pic is not that bad. No foot in the pic, just a sneaker and sock. My
> Golden Retriever, as a pup, did more damage to one of my shoes than that
> mower. :-)
>
> --
>
> Bill
> In Hamptonburgh, NY
> To email, remove the double zeroes after @
Several years ago I was doing an inspection in a plant where premanufactured
construction was being done. In the area where they were building floors, a
young Amish kid was framing with a hammer and 20d spikes. He and a friend
were showing off by seeing if they could drive the spike in a single blow
(they were able to do it by the way.) Anyway, he hit one of the spikes and
it flew. No harm and they both laughed. He set up the next one and took
swing. He hit it slightly off and it flew directly back towards him. He
screamed and grabbed his face. Some type of milky liquid came running out
between his fingers and I could then see the nail sticking out of his eye
socket. The eye itself was gone. They rushed him to the nearest hospital and
he was then airlifted to a better hospital a few hundred miles away (forget
which one, either Indianapolis or Cleveland). Wasn't able to save it. They
did rebuild the eyeball, but after that he was only able to see light and
dark out of it; nothing else.
Over the years I've seen inexperienced framers cut off fingers, get blown
off roof while carrying decking (he was killed), and other stuff. All it
takes is a moment of carelessness to cripple or maim.
"Thomas G. Marshall" <[email protected]>
wrote in message news:qAIui.3596$9F4.2407@trndny04...
>
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of
> a near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of
> other's mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this
> thread dies with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or
> more?
>
> Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my lawn
> mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I
> was sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the
> blade and thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to
> make it balance perfectly.
>
> The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
> two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
> protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
> I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
> well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room,
> cleaned them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the
> while cursing myself for being so safe.
>
> I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
> blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that position
> I would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered
> much of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
>
I haven't used it myself, they make a spray for motorcycle goggles that
creates a no-fog, no-static barrier for plastic. I've heard of others using
it on their face shields and the no-static surface no longer attracts dust.
(The dust is attracted by static).
"Wayne Whitney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2007-08-10, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hence, I always wear a full-face shield when operating power tools
>> -- and some hand tools, too, like hammers.
>
> How do you find that to work for you? I've found my face shield is
> easily scratched (polycarbonate) and gets dusty very easily. So using
> it is rather a nuisance, is there any way to reduce that?
>
> Thanks, Wayne
>
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:45:07 -0400, willshak <[email protected]>
wrote:
>on 8/10/2007 2:28 PM B A R R Y said the following:
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely
>>> recovered. His left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be;
>>> other than that, he's fine, and has been playing soccer again for a
>>> couple weeks now.
>>
>> I didn't look, thanks for the warning. It's good to hear he's OK!
>> Lawnmowers can do ugly things.
>
>The pic is not that bad. No foot in the pic, just a sneaker and sock. My
>Golden Retriever, as a pup, did more damage to one of my shoes than that
>mower. :-)
I've got a golden retriever/yellow lab cross..... 13 year old yellow
puppy. As a 1 year old puppy, he ate every peice of vinyl he could
touch..... spa covers (3, not the styrofoam, just the vinyl cover, but
ALL of it), the fill spout on my waterbed matress.... whatever. Not
to mention my daugters' barbies, socks and panties. AND an entire
backyard of redwood bender board. I don't mean "chewed up", I mean
"ATE". And left the evidence behind for me to pick up later.
-Zz
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:57:42 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
>near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of other's
>mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread dies
>with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
Yeah you can get a nearly infinite list of accidents and near
accidents from a google search, but it never hurts to repeat this
stuff either.
My most serious incident was at the band saw. I was resawing a short
board that was a lot higher than my makeshift fence. I was using a
push stick, but because of the low fence I had to push low on the
stock. Because I was pushing low, and it was a short piece so there
wasn't much weight, it started to lift up at the back end.
So now I was paying more attention to what was going on behind the cut
than at the cut, which completed unexpectedly. The stock, the push
stick, and my hand all shot forward, and my knuckle was introduced to
a 1/2" 4 TPI bandsaw blade. Fortunately it didn't go very deep.
It's not usually one thing going wrong that causes problems, it's when
a bunch of little things accumulate that you suddenly find yourself in
an unexpected situation. At those times, just hit the damn red button
and regroup.
-Leuf
Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of a
> near-miss.
A quick point about eye wear.
Obviously, eye protection helps protect our eyes from direct damage.
A less mentioned benefit is that even nuisance dust can cause an eye to
blink, blur or heavily tear. Even though light dust irritation is
usually recoverable and only a nuisance, the thought of having my eyes
closed while my hands are near spinning blades and bits, or my bicycle
is traveling at decent speeds gives me the heebie-jeebies.
"Glenn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've seem most of the ones listed but there is one I didn't notice.
>
> I was death on my men laying a Skil saw down on the guard. To start with,
> you can spring the guard that way but I once saw a man lay it down on the
> guard and the guard was stuck UP. It came right across the top of his
> shoe. He was lucky that the blade was stopping and it didn't get through
> the shoe.
I always do that, and always feel funny about it.
The guys who built my deck had removed all the blade guards, because
apparently they felt they got in the way. So they were regularly flipping
them upside-down on the deck, spinning teeth free to hit anything.
Also, not one eye goggle. Not one mask (the holding structure was PT).
"bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If I start working in the shop at 10:00 AM (after my pain meds kick in) I
> can go for up to three hours and still able to do accurate work, but by
> 1:30 to 3PM i'm starting to make mistakes and I know it's time to quit for
> the day.
I've trained myself to detect when I'm about to apply (and believe) the
logic that says "just one more and then I'll go to bed" means "it's the last
one and therefore it can't hurt me".
This applies to motorcycling, sawing, climbing the ladder, etc., etc...
I've heard that professional skiers watch for this reasoning as well.
On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:02:17 +0000, Thomas G. Marshall wrote:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> ...[snip]...
>
>> [...] Always take the time to set the blade at
>> the proper height on a table saw. If I had set the blade at the right
>> height the kick back would not have been as severe.
>
>
> Is there a proper height rule-of-thumb for hand-held circular saws? I've
> often wondered what was optimal, safe, or both.
I used to spend more time setting up a cut than actually cutting, pissed
of my foreman du-jour but I almost never had a re-do, and in twenty five
years only had one accident. I was cutting a patch for a bathroom floor
that had rotted out from around the toilet, a complicated shape that I was
cutting with a porter-cable top handle circular saw (77s were too much for
my old, arthritic hands, etc) and dur to the lack of space I was cutting
freehand, well to make an unpleasant story short my saw opened up a sloppy
ragged gash on the thick part of my right hand (where the thumb meets the
wrist) and I wrapped it in my bandanna tightly and drove to the emergency
room. I finished up the next day with 10 stitches and an ace bandage.
And yes I took the time to pack up my tools before I left.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, willshak
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >All kids are immortal and immune to things that happen to other people.
>
> My son (just turned 16) received a painful reminder of his own mortality from
> a lawnmower at the end of June:
>
> http://www.milmac.com/MangledShoe.jpg <WARNING: not for the faint of heart>
>
> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely recovered. His
> left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be; other than that, he's
> fine, and has been playing soccer again for a couple weeks now.
With a little luck, the wisdom he got from that will help him reach his
17th birthday (and many more).
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> on 8/10/2007 2:28 PM B A R R Y said the following:
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>> Fortunately, he wasn't badly hurt, and has almost completely recovered.
>>> His left big toe is about 1/4" shorter than it used to be; other than
>>> that, he's fine, and has been playing soccer again for a couple weeks
>>> now.
>>
>> I didn't look, thanks for the warning. It's good to hear he's OK!
>> Lawnmowers can do ugly things.
>
> The pic is not that bad. No foot in the pic, just a sneaker and sock. My
> Golden Retriever, as a pup, did more damage to one of my shoes than that
> mower. :-)
Best dogs ever. Will love you to death. Both sides of our family have had
them from way before they were popular. Lots of great stories. But them
razor puppy teeth......they're like a buck saw on anything they happen
across...
On 2007-08-10, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hence, I always wear a full-face shield when operating power tools
> -- and some hand tools, too, like hammers.
How do you find that to work for you? I've found my face shield is
easily scratched (polycarbonate) and gets dusty very easily. So using
it is rather a nuisance, is there any way to reduce that?
Thanks, Wayne
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
...[snip]...
> [...] Always take the time to set the blade at
> the proper height on a table saw. If I had set the blade at the right
> height the kick back would not have been as severe.
Is there a proper height rule-of-thumb for hand-held circular saws? I've
often wondered what was optimal, safe, or both.
On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 17:57:42 GMT, "Thomas G. Marshall"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Even when it is late at night, even though it is the last cut of the
night, even though you're tired and want to finish up and hit the
sack, you still need to move the fence to the other side of the blade
to make a safe bevel cut on a right tilt table saw.
The bruise in my side went away after about three weeks. The hole in
the shop door was fairly easy to patch.
Frank
>
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, "Thomas G. Marshall"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I wanted to urge people to use protective eye gear with my quick story of
>> a
>> near-miss. Then I figured that what I really wanted was to read of
>> other's
>> mishaps and close-calls to know what is dangerous. Maybe this thread
>> dies
>> with 1 post, I hope not. Perhaps it's been done 100 times or more?
>>
>> Mine: I was using a Dremel Tool (high speed rotary) for sharpening my
>> lawn
>> mower blade. I was wearing the safety goggles, but it was hot out and I
>> was
>> sweating into them. When I was done I checked the balance of the blade
>> and
>> thought I could use a smidgeon off the very end of the blade to make it
>> balance perfectly.
>>
>> The goggles were at the other end of the room. I figured it was a sec or
>> two of grinding. I got possitioned over the blade too close with no eye
>> protection. I *knew* the spin direction would throw the shards downward,
>> I've been doing it for nearly 20 minutes. But I figured that I might as
>> well get used to a no-exceptions rule, so I walked across the room,
>> cleaned
>> them out, wiped my face with a towel, and put them on, all the while
>> cursing
>> myself for being so safe.
>>
>> I had lost track of the position of the dremel tool and the side of the
>> blade I was using. It actually was spinning up toward me in that
>> position I
>> would have used. Shards of metal struck my eye goggles, and peppered
>> much
>> of my face, at a very high rate of speed.
>
> I was using a can of spray paint and didn't point it in the right
> direction...you can guess the rest.
>
> THis was when was about 20. I've used eye protection when painting
> ever since.
THIS is a safety thing I'm HORRIBLE at following. What could paint possibly
do to me? Thanks for telling me.