Jb

JohnB

08/06/2007 8:28 AM

burned teeth on new blade

Hi,
I recently bought a Freud LM74R Industrial rip blade and right out of
the package several of the teeth had burned marks from grinding. The
marks are on the edges and extend forward to the face. I know nothing
of metallurgy. Should I be concerned?

TIA
John


This topic has 13 replies

Jb

JohnB

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 7:37 PM

On Jun 8, 1:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Hi,
> > I recently bought a Freud LM74R Industrial rip blade and right out of
> > the package several of theteethhadburnedmarks from grinding. The
> > marks are on the edges and extend forward to the face. I know nothing
> > of metallurgy. Should I be concerned?
>
> > TIA
> > John
>
> Is that a carbide blade???
>
> I can honestly say that I have never seen burn marks from grinding.
> Typically theteethare under an oil bath when the grinding process is going
> on. I have however seen dark spots where carbideteethhave been attached
> to the saw blade.

Yes it is a carbide blade. The discoloration, bluish in color, is
visible on three teeth out of thirty and is not on the brazing but on
the side of these carbide teeth and across the face of one.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 4:05 PM


"JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I recently bought a Freud LM74R Industrial rip blade and right out of
> the package several of the teeth had burned marks from grinding. The
> marks are on the edges and extend forward to the face. I know nothing
> of metallurgy. Should I be concerned?
>
> TIA
> John
>

Is that a carbide blade???

I can honestly say that I have never seen burn marks from grinding.
Typically the teeth are under an oil bath when the grinding process is going
on. I have however seen dark spots where carbide teeth have been attached
to the saw blade.

mh

"mike hide"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

09/06/2007 10:27 PM

Had the same problem when I replaced the bristles on electric toothbrush
with stainless ones, burned teeth that is ...



"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>> I recently bought a Freud LM74R Industrial rip blade and right out of
>> the package several of the teeth had burned marks from grinding. The
>> marks are on the edges and extend forward to the face. I know nothing
>> of metallurgy. Should I be concerned?
>>
>> TIA
>> John
>>
>
> Is that a carbide blade???
>
> I can honestly say that I have never seen burn marks from grinding.
> Typically the teeth are under an oil bath when the grinding process is
> going on. I have however seen dark spots where carbide teeth have been
> attached to the saw blade.
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 9:36 PM


"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> That or something similar would be what I would surmise as well -- I
>>> really doubt it is a "traditional" grinder overheat mark.
>>>
>>> I don't think there's anything to be concerned over, but if you got it
>>> locally, take it back or at least go compare it to some others in
>>> stock--
>>
>>
>> Or, get your money back and look into buying a brand that puts a bit more
>> care into the manufacturing of their blades.
>
> Freud is about as good as any at the price point -- after all, the blade
> in question is the "industrial" line which iirc is the lower-cost,
> designed for hard use rather than fine cabinetry end of the business,
> isn't it?

You may have a point there. He probably just needs to buy a better blade.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

09/06/2007 4:53 AM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Jun 8, 1:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "
> >
> > Yes it is a carbide blade. The discoloration, bluish in color, is
> > visible on three teeth out of thirty and is not on the brazing but on
> > the side of these carbide teeth and across the face of one.
> >
>
> New to me, usually a discoloration in the metal color like that means the
> hardness has been compromised. I would be leery, I have never seen
carbide
> to that.
>
>

I have. Over the years, I have ground a great deal of carbide, by hand and
by machine. It will discolor if you get it hot. Once cooled, it has no
effect on it. The discoloration is cosmetic only.


Cc

"CW"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 5:02 PM

No.

"JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
> I recently bought a Freud LM74R Industrial rip blade and right out of
> the package several of the teeth had burned marks from grinding. The
> marks are on the edges and extend forward to the face. I know nothing
> of metallurgy. Should I be concerned?
>
> TIA
> John
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 9:37 PM


"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> No.


Even with DSL I thought you reply would never finish down loading. ;~)

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

09/06/2007 6:57 AM


"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>
>
> I have. Over the years, I have ground a great deal of carbide, by hand and
> by machine. It will discolor if you get it hot. Once cooled, it has no
> effect on it. The discoloration is cosmetic only.
>
>


Thank you for clarifying. I'll know better next time.

dn

dpb

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 11:31 AM

Leon wrote:
> "JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi,
>> I recently bought a Freud LM74R Industrial rip blade and right out of
>> the package several of the teeth had burned marks from grinding. The
>> marks are on the edges and extend forward to the face. I know nothing
>> of metallurgy. Should I be concerned?
>>
>> TIA
>> John
>>
>
> Is that a carbide blade???
>
> I can honestly say that I have never seen burn marks from grinding.
> Typically the teeth are under an oil bath when the grinding process is going
> on. I have however seen dark spots where carbide teeth have been attached
> to the saw blade.

That or something similar would be what I would surmise as well -- I
really doubt it is a "traditional" grinder overheat mark.

I don't think there's anything to be concerned over, but if you got it
locally, take it back or at least go compare it to some others in stock--

--

dn

dpb

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 12:06 PM

Leon wrote:
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> Leon wrote:
>
>> That or something similar would be what I would surmise as well -- I
>> really doubt it is a "traditional" grinder overheat mark.
>>
>> I don't think there's anything to be concerned over, but if you got it
>> locally, take it back or at least go compare it to some others in stock--
>
>
> Or, get your money back and look into buying a brand that puts a bit more
> care into the manufacturing of their blades.

Freud is about as good as any at the price point -- after all, the blade
in question is the "industrial" line which iirc is the lower-cost,
designed for hard use rather than fine cabinetry end of the business,
isn't it?

--

Cc

"CW"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

09/06/2007 4:48 AM

:)

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > No.
>
>
> Even with DSL I thought you reply would never finish down loading. ;~)
>
>

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 10:10 PM


"JohnB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Jun 8, 1:05 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "
>
> Yes it is a carbide blade. The discoloration, bluish in color, is
> visible on three teeth out of thirty and is not on the brazing but on
> the side of these carbide teeth and across the face of one.
>

New to me, usually a discoloration in the metal color like that means the
hardness has been compromised. I would be leery, I have never seen carbide
to that.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to JohnB on 08/06/2007 8:28 AM

08/06/2007 4:54 PM


"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:

>
> That or something similar would be what I would surmise as well -- I
> really doubt it is a "traditional" grinder overheat mark.
>
> I don't think there's anything to be concerned over, but if you got it
> locally, take it back or at least go compare it to some others in stock--


Or, get your money back and look into buying a brand that puts a bit more
care into the manufacturing of their blades.


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