BB

"Bill"

27/11/2009 10:00 PM

Hearing Protection


Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
related to this topic, and I noticed that the product

Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff

was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be a
plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy either of
those goals).

Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.

Thank you,
Bill


This topic has 15 replies

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 7:55 PM

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet
> server related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>
> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>
> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would
> be a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help
> satisfy either of those goals).
>
> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start
> wearing them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to
> me before.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill

I won't speak to safety, but I will comfort. The foam on the H10A is
soft enough to fit around my glasses without causing excessive pressure.
They won't seal completely around every obstruction (my safety goggles),
but if you can move it they'll still be comfortable.

I got both the H10A and H9A muffs, and use the H9A when working out in
the yard. The H10A is a tad bit quieter than the H9A (I think the
ratings were -26dB and -23dB.)

If you buy one pair and decide to go with something else, you'll have a
decent back up pair or a pair to dedicate to something specific. Last I
knew, they were both around $18 each. The plastic banded ones in the
stores cost almost that much anyway, and the Peltors have a metal band
that won't snap. (I got some from Lowes that snapped when I removed them
once. Sure felt like I wasted all that time wearing them to have them
snap next to my ears.)

These are passive muffs, meaning everything will be dampened. You'd have
to get something active to be able to hear normal voices.

Puckdropper
--
Christmas is coming... What are you getting me? :-)

JW

Jim Weisgram

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 9:17 AM

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:00:00 -0500, "Bill" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
>related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>
> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>
>was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be a
>plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy either of
>those goals).
>
>Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
>them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>
>Thank you,
>Bill
>
There are a number of products on the market that allow you to hear
normal level noise but block louder noises.

If you are a subscriber to Fine Woodworking's website, you can view
this: http://www.finewoodworking.com/fwnpdf/011189066.pdf

Do you prefer muffs or plugs? Here's a basic earmuff that attenuates
loud noises but lets conversation through:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=49918&cat=1,42207

Here's an over the ear plug option:
http://www.amazon.com/SensGard-Revolutionary-Hearing-Protection-Orange/dp/B00149DR5G

Here is a plug that reduces volume but lets conversation through
http://www.hearinghealthhouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=89&osCsid=bf02d4a1f1212046142d2c6b9e30dab6



CE

"C & E"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 7:11 PM


"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet
>> server related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>>
>> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>>
>> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would
>> be a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help
>> satisfy either of those goals).
>>
>> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start
>> wearing them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to
>> me before.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill
>
> I won't speak to safety, but I will comfort. The foam on the H10A is
> soft enough to fit around my glasses without causing excessive pressure.
> They won't seal completely around every obstruction (my safety goggles),
> but if you can move it they'll still be comfortable.
>
> I got both the H10A and H9A muffs, and use the H9A when working out in
> the yard. The H10A is a tad bit quieter than the H9A (I think the
> ratings were -26dB and -23dB.)
>
> If you buy one pair and decide to go with something else, you'll have a
> decent back up pair or a pair to dedicate to something specific. Last I
> knew, they were both around $18 each. The plastic banded ones in the
> stores cost almost that much anyway, and the Peltors have a metal band
> that won't snap. (I got some from Lowes that snapped when I removed them
> once. Sure felt like I wasted all that time wearing them to have them
> snap next to my ears.)
>
> These are passive muffs, meaning everything will be dampened. You'd have
> to get something active to be able to hear normal voices.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Christmas is coming... What are you getting me? :-)

Try http://search.harborfreight.com/cpisearch/web/search.do?keyword=hearing
I have one of their active, sound cancelling muffs (no longer offered but
look *exactly* like the Rocklers). THe problem is that I forget to turn
them off and the batteries are shot the next time I want to use them.
That's my own fault.

Mm

Matt

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

27/11/2009 8:35 PM

Bill wrote:
> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
> related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>
> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>
> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be a
> plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy either of
> those goals).
>
> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
> them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill
>
>
Bill,

I use the Electronic Ear Protector from Rockler - been very satisfied
with it.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=11119

HTH

Matt

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 6:24 AM

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:06:27 -0500, the infamous "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>Bill wrote:
>> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet
>> server related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>>
>> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>>
>> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices
>> would be a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help
>> satisfy either of those goals).
>>
>> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start
>> wearing them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to
>> me before.
>
>They're just your basic earmuff. For the price, yeah, they're fine.

Models? Earmuffs? I much prefer something like, um, Kate Hudson.
Scented/flavored respirator, and the ear coverings (inner thighs) are
soft and self-regulating for toasty ear temperatures.

--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

29/11/2009 6:53 PM

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:54:06 -0500, the infamous "Bill"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

--Leon snipped--
>Thank you for the heads-up. I wear glasses, and I should be wearing safety
>goggles too. I'm intend to try the pair from Rockler's. I am actually
>surprised
>Rochler and Woodcraft do not offer more selection in hearing protection.

Bill, I'm chea^H^H^H^Hfrugal and find that these: http://fwd4.me/6Hn
work just fine in my ears with the bell flare -in- the ear, as do
these: http://fwd4.me/6Ho in normal shop noise. Used together, they'd
make a _rock_concert_ boring from the quiet. That's a total $5
investment for the two items.

I picked up some of these for shooting and they're wonderful:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92851
And at $15, they're dirt cheap.

Normites don't need to spend an arm and a leg to get quiet in the
shop.

--
Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

27/11/2009 11:06 PM

Bill wrote:
> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet
> server related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>
> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>
> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices
> would be a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help
> satisfy either of those goals).
>
> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start
> wearing them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to
> me before.

They're just your basic earmuff. For the price, yeah, they're fine.

BL

"Bob La Londe"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

27/11/2009 9:51 PM

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
> related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>
> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>
> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be
> a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy
> either of those goals).
>
> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
> them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill

I prefer the old foam ear plugs over anything if I really need hearing
protection. We went through hundreds of them back when I was a pressman in
the local cotton gin. They work. If we needed somebody's attention right
now we yelled.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 11:53 AM

Jim Weisgram wrote:

> Here is a plug that reduces volume but lets conversation through
> http://www.hearinghealthhouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=89&osCsid=bf02d4a1f1212046142d2c6b9e30dab6
>

That design has been aggressively marketed to musicians.

Regular foam plugs are a musician's worst case scenario. Since they
don't cut out all frequencies equally, leaving you with a muffled sound,
all muddy and thuddy.

Those are designed to attenuate all frequencies evenly.
In theory, it has the effect of turning the volume knob down,
instead of going into the next room, which is what foam plugs sound
like. :-)

If you can't find them or want a better price, check some music stores
for the same product under different brand names.

As a drummer, I never have to look far for hearing protection. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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BB

"Bill"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 2:30 PM


"Jim Weisgram" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:00:00 -0500, "Bill" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
>>related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>>
>> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>>
>>was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>>completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be
>>a
>>plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy either
>>of
>>those goals).
>>
>>Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>>recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
>>them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Bill
>>
> There are a number of products on the market that allow you to hear
> normal level noise but block louder noises.
>
> If you are a subscriber to Fine Woodworking's website, you can view
> this: http://www.finewoodworking.com/fwnpdf/011189066.pdf
>
> Do you prefer muffs or plugs? Here's a basic earmuff that attenuates
> loud noises but lets conversation through:
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=49918&cat=1,42207


Thank you for your post. The features (and price) of the earmuff above
closely resembles
one at Rochler, mentioned earlier. It looks appropriate for me.
Thanks! -Bill


>
> Here's an over the ear plug option:
> http://www.amazon.com/SensGard-Revolutionary-Hearing-Protection-Orange/dp/B00149DR5G
>
> Here is a plug that reduces volume but lets conversation through
> http://www.hearinghealthhouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=89&osCsid=bf02d4a1f1212046142d2c6b9e30dab6
>
>
>
>

BB

"Bill"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 6:54 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
>> related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>>
>> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>>
>> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be
>> a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy
>> either of those goals).
>>
>> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
>> them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill
>>
>
> I am working on getting the Ryobi Tech 4 hearing protectors. They
> comfortably fit my brain size. I have a set or Peltors IIRC but when I
> swallow or or yawn the muffs open up and the noise comes right in.
> Be sure and try on what ever you buy.


Thank you for the heads-up. I wear glasses, and I should be wearing safety
goggles too. I'm intend to try the pair from Rockler's. I am actually
surprised
Rochler and Woodcraft do not offer more selection in hearing protection.

Bill

kk

krw

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

27/11/2009 11:04 PM

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:51:46 -0700, "Bob La Londe" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
>> related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>>
>> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>>
>> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be
>> a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy
>> either of those goals).
>>
>> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
>> them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Bill
>
>I prefer the old foam ear plugs over anything if I really need hearing
>protection. We went through hundreds of them back when I was a pressman in
>the local cotton gin. They work. If we needed somebody's attention right
>now we yelled.

Not something for the woodworker, but the company I work for makes the
communications gear that football coaches use on the sidelines. It's
basically a full-duplex two way radio system (with a wired intercom
interface). While not intended as hearing protection, one of the
markets for a similar system is heavy construction, where hands-free
communications is the primary need. I've suggested adding active noise
cancellation but current headphones don't allow it.

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

30/11/2009 9:41 AM

On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:54:06 -0500, "Bill" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
>>> related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>>>
>>> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>>>
>>> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
>>> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be
>>> a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy
>>> either of those goals).
>>>
>>> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
>>> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
>>> them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Bill
>>>
>>
>> I am working on getting the Ryobi Tech 4 hearing protectors. They
>> comfortably fit my brain size. I have a set or Peltors IIRC but when I
>> swallow or or yawn the muffs open up and the noise comes right in.
>> Be sure and try on what ever you buy.
>
>
>Thank you for the heads-up. I wear glasses, and I should be wearing safety
>goggles too. I'm intend to try the pair from Rockler's. I am actually
>surprised
>Rochler and Woodcraft do not offer more selection in hearing protection.
>
>Bill
>


I have a pair of ear muffs that seal around the ear. I use them in
the shop and when using a back-pack leaf blower. I think my surface
planer and router art the noisiest shop tools. I tried the spongee
cylinder ear plugs--they work too, very inexpensive and may be better
for some folks--buy them at your firearms dealer.

MH

"Martin H. Eastburn"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

30/11/2009 9:09 PM

Yep - I have Big Bore version for the range - and the first set I
bought - Small Bore (22LR) in the shop. Two volume controls and
impulse quenching and lower other noise. I can hear the TV and
not the plasma screech or hammering steel.
Wish I had found the lower cost ones first! Shop can be tough
on them. I keep mine in a box unless on my head. Mine uses 4 N
batteries.
Martin

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:54:06 -0500, the infamous "Bill"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
> --Leon snipped--
>> Thank you for the heads-up. I wear glasses, and I should be wearing safety
>> goggles too. I'm intend to try the pair from Rockler's. I am actually
>> surprised
>> Rochler and Woodcraft do not offer more selection in hearing protection.
>
> Bill, I'm chea^H^H^H^Hfrugal and find that these: http://fwd4.me/6Hn
> work just fine in my ears with the bell flare -in- the ear, as do
> these: http://fwd4.me/6Ho in normal shop noise. Used together, they'd
> make a _rock_concert_ boring from the quiet. That's a total $5
> investment for the two items.
>
> I picked up some of these for shooting and they're wonderful:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92851
> And at $15, they're dirt cheap.
>
> Normites don't need to spend an arm and a leg to get quiet in the
> shop.
>
> --
> Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "Bill" on 27/11/2009 10:00 PM

28/11/2009 3:03 PM


"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Trying to be considerate, I tried to browse old posts on my usenet server
> related to this topic, and I noticed that the product
>
> Peltor H10A Professional Noise Canceling Earmuff
>
> was used by some. It seems "healthy" to me not to have everything
> completely muted, and being able to hear voices at normal voices would be
> a plus (though I'm not sure how well this product would help satisfy
> either of those goals).
>
> Is the one above a "good, safe choice"? Any other models you might
> recommend I consider? I suppose if I had a pair, I might start wearing
> them when I mow the lawn, though that idea hadn't occurred to me before.
>
> Thank you,
> Bill
>

I am working on getting the Ryobi Tech 4 hearing protectors. They
comfortably fit my brain size. I have a set or Peltors IIRC but when I
swallow or or yawn the muffs open up and the noise comes right in.
Be sure and try on what ever you buy.


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