J T wrote:
> Wed, Mar 1, 2006, 8:22pm (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
> doth burble:
> What about that project is worthy of posting?
>
> Upon contemplation, perhaps you are correct. So, in it's place, I
> submit this project, as being more worthy of your talents. Enjoy, and
> be sure to post a picture of your efforts on A.B.P.W.
> http://www.kidsdomain.com/craft/popframe.html
Chuckle. Okay, now that we got that out of the way...
What prompted you to post that oval picture frame project? Is it
something you made? Is that something you wrote up for them? Is it
something you admire?
That particular project is at least 30 years old (age doesn't improve
everything), is a bad picture of a mediocre project, and is awkward
from an esthetic point of view.
Notice how the sides of the oval look thinner than the top and bottom?
it's an illusion, but it's an illusion that everyone sees. Take a look
at this project:
http://www.dreambuiltdesigns.com/plans/ovalframe.html
That's not an award winning project either, but at least it has some
more graceful lines and accounts for the apparent disparity in frame
thickness by accentuating the ends.
So...what prompted you to post that project?
R
J T wrote:
> Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 7:53am (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
> doth query:
> <snip> So...what prompted you to post that project?
>
> Same thing that prompted me to post the others I've posted -
> side-effect. Then there's kama, etc. Finally, why not?
>
> It's also free.
Free is good - useful and interesting is better. Here's the Google
"I'm Feeling Lucky" button result for a search - oval wood frame
layout.
http://www.diynet.com/diy/ww_decorative_furnishings/article/0,2049,DIY_14441_2277964,00.html
That's free, too. The article is better written (what's with all of
the 20 links in that Shopsmith link article leading to the same
flipping two figures?!), the pictures are much clearer, it shows in
detail all of the steps for laying out the oval and the project is much
more interesting.
I guess whatever floats your boat is fine, but the Shopsmith project
and link should be allowed to die its inevitable slow death
undisturbed.
R
J T wrote:
> Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 9:55am (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
> doth proclaim:
> Free is good - useful and interesting is better. Here's the Google "I'm
> Feeling Lucky" button result <snip>
>
> Ah, I see you have missed the point. Totally. Many people do. No
> matter, you can have what you want.
The point is that you feel like posting whatever crappy links you want
and you'll defend your right to do so. Great. But don't get mad when
people give you heat - just as you give people heat when they post
stuff that_you_don't find interesting or new - like the fluting jig
guy.
> Accordingly, you are now the official free plans poster to
> rec.woodworking. We are expecting a lot of plans postings from you.
> And, no duplication of any plans I've previously posted. Live well, and
> post plans often.
Heh. You sound like a little kid that didn't get his way.
JP
Fri, Mar 3, 2006, 7:45am (EST-3) [email protected] (Jay=A0Pique)
<snip> just as you give people heat when they post stuff that_you_don't
find interesting or new - like the fluting jig guy. <snip>
The fluting guy never indicated he'd done any searching at all. He
even wanted to know if anyone knew of a MotherEarch type of woodworking
site. If he was such an expert searcher, he'd already have found that.
Not a prob anyway, moot now.
JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax
J T wrote:
> Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 9:55am (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
> doth proclaim:
> Free is good - useful and interesting is better. Here's the Google "I'm
> Feeling Lucky" button result <snip>
>
> Ah, I see you have missed the point. Totally. Many people do. No
> matter, you can have what you want.
>
> Accordingly, you are now the official free plans poster to
> rec.woodworking. We are expecting a lot of plans postings from you.
> And, no duplication of any plans I've previously posted. Live well, and
> post plans often.
Thanks for trying to volunteer my time, but that's a one man job and I
currently occupy the position.
You missed my point. I don't care if it's woodworking, flames, jokes
or whatever - all I'd request is some quality. If the post was done as
a public service, it was public, but not a service because the quality
of that link was so low. If that link to the oval frame in question
you posted indicates your sense of humor...well, you're easily amused.
R
Fri, Mar 3, 2006, 7:54am (EST-3) From: [email protected]
(RicodJour) doth proclameth:
<snip> You missed my point. I don't care if it's woodworking, flames,
jokes or whatever - all I'd request is some quality. If the post was
done as a public service, it was public, but not a service because the
quality of that link was so low. If that link to the oval frame in
question you posted indicates your sense of humor...well, you're easily
amused.
We've got people on here with ability ranging from whittling with a
dull knife, to woodworking artists. From people who've possibly never
even picked up a piece of unfinished wood, to people who earn their
living working with wood. And, every step in between. And, now I'm
supposed to rate the "quality" of the links I post? Yeah, sure, right.
I've posted really off-the wall links, and had people (sincerely) thank
me, because it was something they needed. I've posted really simple
links, and had people thank me, because it was something their kid(s)
could do, and loved. I've posted stuff like the infamous Pinecone
Turkey, which wan not posted to be serious. I've posted some links to
some really first class plans, that anyone would be proud to make. And,
I've posted a lot of plans somewhere in the middle. And, I make it a
point to put the plans post subjects in caps, so people can avoid them,
if they choose.
My background has been to share information. I'd rather hear the
same thing a dozen times, than to hear, "I thought you know.". I'm
sharing.
You can "rate" any plans you want to post. I won't. Moot point
anyway - see my previous post - my future searches aren't apt to turn up
much wood-related info, for awhile,
JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax
Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 9:55am (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
doth proclaim:
Free is good - useful and interesting is better. Here's the Google "I'm
Feeling Lucky" button result <snip>
Ah, I see you have missed the point. Totally. Many people do. No
matter, you can have what you want.
Accordingly, you are now the official free plans poster to
rec.woodworking. We are expecting a lot of plans postings from you.
And, no duplication of any plans I've previously posted. Live well, and
post plans often.
JOAT
I'd like to give you a going away present.
Just do your part.
RicodJour wrote:
> J T wrote:
> > Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 7:53am (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
> > doth query:
> > <snip> So...what prompted you to post that project?
> >
> > Same thing that prompted me to post the others I've posted -
> > side-effect. Then there's kama, etc. Finally, why not?
> >
> > It's also free.
>
> Free is good - useful and interesting is better. Here's the Google
> "I'm Feeling Lucky" button result for a search - oval wood frame
> layout.
> http://www.diynet.com/diy/ww_decorative_furnishings/article/0,2049,DIY_14441_2277964,00.html
>
> That's free, too. The article is better written (what's with all of
> the 20 links in that Shopsmith link article leading to the same
> flipping two figures?!), the pictures are much clearer, it shows in
> detail all of the steps for laying out the oval and the project is much
> more interesting.
>
> I guess whatever floats your boat is fine, but the Shopsmith project
> and link should be allowed to die its inevitable slow death
> undisturbed.
Don't mind JOAT, he's just another curmudgeon. He's giving some other
guy grief about asking for info on fluting jigs right now, apparently
upset at the wasted bandwidth or something. Then he goes and posts
multitudes of links to useless, tasteless crap like the aforementioned
"oval picture frame". Indeed, if someone were so inclined to be
looking for plans to an "oval picture frame" it could be easily
googled. Strange how he'd give someone actually LOOKING for something
a hard time, and then feel good about cluttering up the group with crap
like this.
JP
Fri, Mar 3, 2006, 7:38am (EST-3) [email protected] (Jay=A0Pique) doth
sayeth:
<snip> Strange how he'd give someone actually LOOKING for something a
hard time, and then feel good about cluttering up the group with crap
like this.
Not quite. If they just want something, I'm not about to do their
homework. If they say they've googled, or whartever, is a lot different
from not looking and wanting someone to provide for them.
Anyway, see my previous response.
JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax
Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 7:53am (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
doth query:
<snip> So...what prompted you to post that project?
Same thing that prompted me to post the others I've posted -
side-effect. Then there's kama, etc. Finally, why not?
It's also free.
JOAT
I'd like to give you a going away present.
Just do your part.
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:06:07 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>I use this. It meets all my oval needs :)
>http://www.projects.ex.ac.uk/trol/scol/callipse.htm
How do you get it from there to the paper? String tends to stretch,
and it's tough to get the true length when wrapping around two pins.
I use two concentric circles, straight edge, then join the dots.
...only a quarter to be exact, since it can be flipped for the rest of
the ellipse.
The Guess who entity posted thusly:
>On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 11:06:07 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>I use this. It meets all my oval needs :)
>>http://www.projects.ex.ac.uk/trol/scol/callipse.htm
>
>How do you get it from there to the paper? String tends to stretch,
>and it's tough to get the true length when wrapping around two pins.
>I use two concentric circles, straight edge, then join the dots.
>...only a quarter to be exact, since it can be flipped for the rest of
>the ellipse.
How do you get an ellipse from the materials you mention? I've made
many an ellipse using the string method. You need to be a bit careful
to not stretch the string. If I needed a particular sized ellipse, I'd
be tempted to use a plot from my computer.
...
> multitudes of links to useless, tasteless crap like the
> aforementioned
> "oval picture frame". Indeed, if someone were so inclined to
> be
> looking for plans to an "oval picture frame" it could be easily
> googled. Strange how he'd give someone actually LOOKING for
> something
> a hard time, and then feel good about cluttering up the group
> with crap
> like this.
>
> JP
>
Well, one man's garbage might be another man 's treasures (garage
sales et al), but at least his posts are obvious to the reader
after seeing a couple of them, so they're easier to bypass if you
want to.
Just like no one makes you read them, no one is forcing
anyone to click on the links, either, nor is anyone forcing the
readers to critique that quality of the links.
Sometimes I do wonder about -why- he posts them, but ... it
doesn't bother me. I've even put quite a few on those post
results on paper because they lead either to a decently useful
item for me, or can be adapted to something I might like to try
out for grins. I'm an old dog, but I'm still willing to learn
some new tricks to see if they're any better than the old ones.
Raking and kanering someone though; that's just not worth any
thinking person's time or effort. It shows unhealthy tendencies
in some cases, no matter who does it, or how they do it. Yup, I
do that myself, matter of fact; never said I was perfect. But as
a rule I'll only jump in with snide remarks if i see
misinformation of think the poster needs a dose of its own
medicine. After that though, I don't prolong it; I move on to
better things.
So: If you don't like someone's posts, ignore them. If you're
just going to bitch, go away and try to get a life before you
come back.
Pop
--
On 2 Mar 2006 09:55:01 -0800, "RicodJour" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Free is good - useful and interesting is better.
That's for sure. I don't even glance at JTs endless useless [e.g.
popsicle sticks] sites any more. We must have a different sense of
humour.
An oval is simple to construct by hand, and the other images shown are
just two offset ovals, one inside the other. All you need is some
squared paper, and the max-min dimensions of each oval.
Thu, Mar 2, 2006, 1:26pm [email protected] (Guess=A0who)
doth sayeth:
That's for sure. I don't even glance at JTs endless useless [e.g.
popsicle sticks] sites any more. We must have a different sense of
humour. <snip>
That's one of the reasons my plans posts always have the subjects
in caps. That way you can easily ignore them if you want. No prob.
JOAT
I'd like to give you a going away present.
Just do your part.
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 09:17:27 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
> That's one of the reasons my plans posts always have the subjects
>in caps. That way you can easily ignore them if you want. No prob.
No problem at all, but with all that time on your hands, why not look
for something actually useful? I mean that in a good way. It *could*
be a useful resource if you put your mind to it, and you'd be
providing a service instead of an off-tilt humour. At least the
present postings take away bandwidth from the multiple nuts who post
totally OT. They're getting to be downright scary. I'm thinking the
institutions have been given a grant to supply the inmates with
computers. Sort of LNAB as technology advances.
Fri, Mar 3, 2006, 10:18am [email protected] (Guess=A0who) doth
wonder:
No problem at all, but with all that time on your hands, why not look
for something actually useful? I mean that in a good way. It *could* be
a useful resource if you put your mind to it, and you'd be providing a
service instead of an off-tilt humour. At least the present postings
take away bandwidth from the multiple nuts who post totally OT. They're
getting to be downright scary. I'm thinking the institutions have been
given a grant to supply the inmates with computers. Sort of LNAB as
technology advances.
LMAO. I do look for something actually useful. For me. I keep
telling you guys, what I post is side-effects, from searches for info
for myself. Besides, considering that we've got people here with skills
ranging from whittling with a dull knife, to real woodworking artists,
it's all useful to someone. I pass stuff along because I believe in
sharing info someone might be able to use - different background,
different generation, from a lot. And, if it wasn't fun, wouldn't do
it.
As is, it would seem that life may finally be allowing me to
proceed on a personal project, or three, that's been on the back burner
for some time. So, for an unknown period, my time should be pretty much
absorbed by that, so my searching probably won't turn up much wood
stuff. Whcih means you guys are gonna have to stumple along on your
own. LOL
JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax
On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:26:11 -0500, Guess who <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2 Mar 2006 09:55:01 -0800, "RicodJour" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Free is good - useful and interesting is better.
>
>That's for sure. I don't even glance at JTs endless useless [e.g.
>popsicle sticks] sites any more. We must have a different sense of
>humour.
>
>An oval is simple to construct by hand, and the other images shown are
>just two offset ovals, one inside the other. All you need is some
>squared paper, and the max-min dimensions of each oval.
I use this. It meets all my oval needs :)
http://www.projects.ex.ac.uk/trol/scol/callipse.htm
Wed, Mar 1, 2006, 8:22pm (EST-3) [email protected] (RicodJour)
doth burble:
What about that project is worthy of posting?
Upon contemplation, perhaps you are correct. So, in it's place, I
submit this project, as being more worthy of your talents. Enjoy, and
be sure to post a picture of your efforts on A.B.P.W.
http://www.kidsdomain.com/craft/popframe.html
JOAT
I'd like to give you a going away present.
Just do your part.
RicodJour wrote:
> J T wrote:
>
>>http://www.shopsmithhandson.com/moneyproject.htm
>
>
> What about that project is worthy of posting?
>
> R
>
For those who don't know how to draw an oval to set dimensions, it is
very worthy.
I'm constantly amazed by those in the group who do not know stuff which
I take for granted, or seems so easy it's obvious. Occasionally I kick
myself around the block "when somebody posts a simple solution to a
problem" which I reckon I should have been able to work out.
People tackling problems from different angles and perspectives is what
it's all about.
I'm sure that someone will see this job and thoroughly enjoy making it.
Just my 2 bob's worth.
John