I am rebuilding some fixed windows where the sash has rotted. The sash on
this window is 1 3/4" wide and 1/2" thick and is somehow edge glued to the
windows (i.e., the narrow edge, about 1/2", is glued to the glass). I have
been looking on the web for adhesives but I don't see anything that looks
just right for this job.
Has anyone had to do this kind of work, and if so, would you mind sharing
what you used?.
TIA.
Dick Snyder
Window panes are seated into a sash (wooden, aluminum or whatever) with
silicone. A double paned, argon filled panel has special adhesives to
hold the panes together, but the double panes, as a unit, is still
seated into the sash with silicone.
Grilles or other pane dividers can be attached with clips or is
attached to the pane with double stick tape.
I'm not sure if you were referring to seating a pane into a sash rabbet
or "glueing" (taping) a grille or divider onto a pane. Your 1/2"
reference wasn't clear to me as to where, exactly, it is. Half-inch
sounded like a grille/divider type piece to be attached, as well as
being a rabbeted edge where the pane is seated onto the sash.
Sonny
The wood is sealed to the glass with silicone only. There most likely
is or was a foam tape type cushion on the very outer edge of the glass,
itself. This foam, when initially attaching the wood to the glass at
the factory, assists in minimizing silicone squeeze-out and clean-up
during manufacture.
When removing the original wood, if you haven't done this already, use
a box knife with an extending blade, that extends 2", 3" is better.
Extend the blade and cut the silicone between the wood and glass.
Don't force the cutting of the silicone.... go nice and easy, a little
at a time. Too much pressure and you can break the glass. It is easier
to break than you may think when working near the edges. Don't try to
pry up the wood from the glass. This can result in breaking of the
glass, also. You just have to take your time and cut the silicone to
detach the wood from the glass. This will take a long time to do, so
be patient. Clean up the residual silicone with a straight razor blade.
There is a sealing material (a band of material), at the edge of the
glass panels, that attaches the 2 panes together and seals the argon
gas between the 2 panes. Be careful not to damage that inside seal,
otherwise you may loose the vacuum between the glass panels. Don't
store the unit (glass panels) on edge, if you need to delay work on the
project. A slight chip of the edge of a pane may cause it to crack,
later, if an unusual bind is placed on the unit during work on it.
That vacumm glass is tender, so be careful and don't abuse it while the
edges are exposed to potential damage. If you have some old carpet,
use that as a work surface on your work bench. And once the panes'
edges are exposed, be careful not to nick it with a haphazardly placed
tool.
Sonny
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>
>>Dick Snyder wrote:
>>
>>>I am rebuilding some fixed windows where the sash has rotted. The
>>>sash on this window is 1 3/4" wide and 1/2" thick and is somehow
>>>edge glued to the windows (i.e., the narrow edge, about 1/2", is
>>>glued to the glass). I have been looking on the web for adhesives but
>>>I don't see anything that looks just right for this job.
Does the sash need to be structurally fastened to the glass, or is it
just for weather sealing?
I've seen some windows where the sash was glued to the surrounding wood,
but between the sash and the glass it was just silicone.
Chris
I have a double paned panel that is 60" x 16". . On the perimenter of the
panel is some trim for lack of a better word that has a 1/2" thick edge that
is attached to the panel. That trim is 1 3/4" wide and I believe its purpose
it just for weather sealing rather than some structural purpose. The trim is
attached to the outward facing glass of the panel right along the edge. If I
am still not being clear I can post a picture on rec.woodworking.pictures
Dick
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Window panes are seated into a sash (wooden, aluminum or whatever) with
> silicone. A double paned, argon filled panel has special adhesives to
> hold the panes together, but the double panes, as a unit, is still
> seated into the sash with silicone.
>
> Grilles or other pane dividers can be attached with clips or is
> attached to the pane with double stick tape.
>
> I'm not sure if you were referring to seating a pane into a sash rabbet
> or "glueing" (taping) a grille or divider onto a pane. Your 1/2"
> reference wasn't clear to me as to where, exactly, it is. Half-inch
> sounded like a grille/divider type piece to be attached, as well as
> being a rabbeted edge where the pane is seated onto the sash.
>
> Sonny
>
Good advice - thanks for taking the time to send it.
Dick
"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The wood is sealed to the glass with silicone only. There most likely
> is or was a foam tape type cushion on the very outer edge of the glass,
> itself. This foam, when initially attaching the wood to the glass at
> the factory, assists in minimizing silicone squeeze-out and clean-up
> during manufacture.
>
> When removing the original wood, if you haven't done this already, use
> a box knife with an extending blade, that extends 2", 3" is better.
> Extend the blade and cut the silicone between the wood and glass.
> Don't force the cutting of the silicone.... go nice and easy, a little
> at a time. Too much pressure and you can break the glass. It is easier
> to break than you may think when working near the edges. Don't try to
> pry up the wood from the glass. This can result in breaking of the
> glass, also. You just have to take your time and cut the silicone to
> detach the wood from the glass. This will take a long time to do, so
> be patient. Clean up the residual silicone with a straight razor blade.
>
> There is a sealing material (a band of material), at the edge of the
> glass panels, that attaches the 2 panes together and seals the argon
> gas between the 2 panes. Be careful not to damage that inside seal,
> otherwise you may loose the vacuum between the glass panels. Don't
> store the unit (glass panels) on edge, if you need to delay work on the
> project. A slight chip of the edge of a pane may cause it to crack,
> later, if an unusual bind is placed on the unit during work on it.
> That vacumm glass is tender, so be careful and don't abuse it while the
> edges are exposed to potential damage. If you have some old carpet,
> use that as a work surface on your work bench. And once the panes'
> edges are exposed, be careful not to nick it with a haphazardly placed
> tool.
>
> Sonny
>
Dick Snyder wrote:
> After doing a little web browsing on the two products you mention it
looks
> like they (or at least SikaFlex) might be hard to remove if when the
wood I
> plan to apply the glass rots and must be replaced again. What do you
think?
I'd call SikaFlex tech service in metro Detroit on the 800#.
They are a sharp bunch.
Lew
Dick Snyder wrote:
> I am rebuilding some fixed windows where the sash has rotted. The
> sash on this window is 1 3/4" wide and 1/2" thick and is somehow
> edge glued to the windows (i.e., the narrow edge, about 1/2", is
> glued to the glass). I have been looking on the web for adhesives but
> I don't see anything that looks just right for this job.
>
> Has anyone had to do this kind of work, and if so, would you mind
> sharing what you used?.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
Araldite the expensive glue type,bonds to any two surfaces with good impact
and inseperable after 24 hours.
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
> Dick Snyder wrote:
>> I am rebuilding some fixed windows where the sash has rotted. The
>> sash on this window is 1 3/4" wide and 1/2" thick and is somehow
>> edge glued to the windows (i.e., the narrow edge, about 1/2", is
>> glued to the glass). I have been looking on the web for adhesives but
>> I don't see anything that looks just right for this job.
>>
>> Has anyone had to do this kind of work, and if so, would you mind
>> sharing what you used?.
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Dick Snyder
>
> Araldite the expensive glue type,bonds to any two surfaces with good
> impact and inseperable after 24 hours.
oops! forgot the info.
http://www.silmid.com/araldite/adhesives.htm
--
Sir Benjamin Middlethwaite
After doing a little web browsing on the two products you mention it looks
like they (or at least SikaFlex) might be hard to remove if when the wood I
plan to apply the glass rots and must be replaced again. What do you think?
Dick
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RE: Subject
>
> Silicone SUCKS.
>
> It is a poor sealant and once you start using it, you have to stay with
> it.
>
> 3M 101 and SikaFlex 291 are both far superior to silicone and far easier
> to handle IMHO.
>
> Lew
After doing a little web browsing on the two products you mention it looks
like they (or at least SikaFlex) might be hard to remove if when the wood I
plan to apply the glass rots and must be replaced again. What do you think?
Dick
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RE: Subject
>
> Silicone SUCKS.
>
> It is a poor sealant and once you start using it, you have to stay with
> it.
>
> 3M 101 and SikaFlex 291 are both far superior to silicone and far easier
> to handle IMHO.
>
> Lew
On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:55:36 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It is for weather sealing.
>
>"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>>> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dick Snyder wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I am rebuilding some fixed windows where the sash has rotted. The
>>>>>sash on this window is 1 3/4" wide and 1/2" thick and is somehow
>>>>>edge glued to the windows (i.e., the narrow edge, about 1/2", is
>>>>>glued to the glass). I have been looking on the web for adhesives but
>>>>>I don't see anything that looks just right for this job.
>>
>> Does the sash need to be structurally fastened to the glass, or is it just
>> for weather sealing?
>>
>> I've seen some windows where the sash was glued to the surrounding wood,
>> but between the sash and the glass it was just silicone.
>>
>> Chris
>
I would think that wood and glass would expand and contract at
different rates, so you wouldn't want a firm attachment. Silicone
would allow for this difference while still adhering to both materials
for a seal.
Bill
It is for weather sealing.
"Chris Friesen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>> The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
>>
>>>Dick Snyder wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am rebuilding some fixed windows where the sash has rotted. The
>>>>sash on this window is 1 3/4" wide and 1/2" thick and is somehow
>>>>edge glued to the windows (i.e., the narrow edge, about 1/2", is
>>>>glued to the glass). I have been looking on the web for adhesives but
>>>>I don't see anything that looks just right for this job.
>
> Does the sash need to be structurally fastened to the glass, or is it just
> for weather sealing?
>
> I've seen some windows where the sash was glued to the surrounding wood,
> but between the sash and the glass it was just silicone.
>
> Chris