After reading John Grossbohlin's remarks on the topic of knife
classification, I wasn't surprised to see the topic rapidly devolve
into the cost of travel to other cities, using assault weapons to
shoot snakes, and using soup cans as weapons.
The gist of the problem is that if Customs redefines what is and is
not an illegal knife, the ramifications of their findings will be used
as a model for further legislation within not only the Federal
government, but the state governments as well. Lazy lawmakers will
simply cut and paste language into bills without understanding the
words or their meanings.
This transcends all political party lines. It goes well past the
petty pissing contests of who voted for the right candidate and who
didn't. This could literally change the culture of those of us that
use knives for tools.
The new interpretation of the Swtichblade Act will consider if
assisted openers (AOs), spring assisted, or gravity flow knives will
be legal for importation. This has been expanded by the Customs
agency to consider knives with thumbstuds, holes in the blades (like
Spydercos and the like), spine jimping or knives of any type that can
be opened with one hand.
Again, the fear in this matter is that the lazy legislators will
simply boilerplate the language of Customs and push bills into laws
using the Customs interpretation.
This is not an irrational fear. You can about read the direction of
this reinterpretation of the 50 year old bill, how it is coming about
and where is is going now by going to bladeforums.com and looking in
the general discussion.
I have no switchblades. But I have many of the knives under
consideration for reclassification, knives I use every day. Most have
only 2 - 2 1/2" blades on them. All have at least thumbstuds because
they are easier to open with sweaty, dirty hands. Some have assisted
opening, which is great when you have a handful of material in one and
need to cut a rope or binding with the other.
Worse for me, a couple of old favorite Buck knives could be
reclassified as "gravity flow" knives since they are so worn out they
will easily flip open.
There is something sneaky going on with this effort. I am not
assessing blame, pointing fingers, and frankly don't care. But it is
strange that the folks behind the reinterpretation will not accept
emails, snail mail only. Also, even with the huge interest shown by
many different groups and thousands of individuals, a 30 day extension
cannot be secured to allow a proper, legal response.
The intent of the current efforts is to stop the ramrodding of this
new interpretation into "Customs" law, which will most likely become
Federal and/or State law at a later date.
You can do something besides wring your hands and talk politics. At
the very least, if you do something to act to protect your rights, you
won't have to look in the mirror and know you just bent over and
dropped your pants and closed your eyes.
Here is a good place to start:
http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=1
or as a tiny url:
http://tinyurl.com/lgztuw
You don't have to be sheep. Don't just whine to your buddies and rail
out about the injustices of a sissy society. Don't bang your cane on
the front porch and tell your kids about the way it was "in your
day". Do something now to protect not only your rights, but the
rights of those that follow!
The links above have embedded in them additional information, sample
letters to Customs, and sample letters to your Congressman. These can
be easily adapted to send to anyone that will listen. They are
in .txt, rich format and even Microsoft Word. All you need is a
stamp.
Don't let this devolve into another thread of irrelevant anecdotes
(really guys, despite the gravity of John's post, it was off track in
the very first response) or political crap. I hope those of you that
enjoy knives as tools, heirlooms, or simply as prized possessions will
jump in on this and let those in power know what you think.
Thanks John G. for your post. I knew this was going on and it
concerned me a lot, but didn't think this was a good venue (home of
the ADD championship winners) for this topic. Hopefully, I was wrong.
Robert
On Jun 16, 7:15=A0am, "sweet sawdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > After reading John Grossbohlin's remarks on the topic of knife
> > classification, I wasn't surprised to see the topic rapidly devolve
> > into the cost of travel to other cities, using assault weapons to
> > shoot snakes, and using soup cans as weapons.
>
> > The gist of the problem is that if Customs redefines what is and is
> > not an illegal knife, the ramifications of their findings will be used
> > as a model for further legislation within not only the Federal
> > government, but the state governments as well. =A0Lazy lawmakers will
> > simply cut and paste language into bills without understanding the
> > words or their meanings.
>
> > This transcends all political party lines. =A0It goes well past the
> > petty pissing contests of who voted for the right candidate and who
> > didn't. =A0This could literally change the culture of those of us that
> > use knives for tools.
>
> > The new interpretation of the Swtichblade Act will consider if
> > assisted openers (AOs), spring assisted, or gravity flow knives will
> > be legal for importation. =A0This has been expanded by the Customs
> > agency to consider knives with thumbstuds, holes in the blades (like
> > Spydercos and the like), spine jimping or knives of any type that can
> > be opened with one hand.
>
> > Again, the fear in this matter is that the lazy legislators will
> > simply boilerplate the language of Customs and push bills into laws
> > using the Customs interpretation.
>
> > This is not an irrational fear. =A0You can about read the direction of
> > this reinterpretation of the 50 year old bill, how it is coming about
> > and where is is going now by going to bladeforums.com and looking in
> > the general discussion.
>
> > I have no switchblades. =A0But I have many of the knives under
> > consideration for reclassification, knives I use every day. =A0Most hav=
e
> > only 2 - 2 1/2" blades on them. =A0All have at least thumbstuds because
> > they are easier to open with sweaty, dirty hands. =A0Some have assisted
> > opening, which is great when you have a handful of material in one and
> > need to cut a rope or binding with the other.
>
> > Worse for me, a couple of old favorite Buck knives could be
> > reclassified as "gravity flow" knives since they are so worn out they
> > will easily flip open.
>
> > There is something sneaky going on with this effort. =A0I am not
> > assessing blame, pointing fingers, and frankly don't care. =A0But it is
> > strange that the folks behind the reinterpretation will not accept
> > emails, snail mail only. =A0Also, even with the huge interest shown by
> > many different groups and thousands of individuals, a 30 day extension
> > cannot be secured to allow a proper, legal response.
>
> > The intent of the current efforts is to stop the ramrodding of this
> > new interpretation into "Customs" law, which will most likely become
> > Federal and/or State law at a later date.
>
> > You can do something besides wring your hands and talk politics. =A0At
> > the very least, if you do something to act to protect your rights, you
> > won't have to look in the mirror and know you just bent over and
> > dropped your pants and closed your eyes.
>
> > Here is a good place to start:
>
> >http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&task=3Dview&id=
=3D...
>
> > or as a tiny url:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/lgztuw
>
> > You don't have to be sheep. =A0Don't just whine to your buddies and rai=
l
> > out about the injustices of a sissy society. =A0Don't bang your cane on
> > the front porch and tell your kids about the way it was "in your
> > day". =A0Do something now to protect not only your rights, but the
> > rights of those that follow!
>
> > The links above have embedded in them additional information, sample
> > letters to Customs, and sample letters to your Congressman. =A0These ca=
n
> > be easily adapted to send to anyone that will listen. =A0They are
> > in .txt, rich format and even Microsoft Word. =A0All you need is a
> > stamp.
>
> > Don't let this devolve into another thread of irrelevant anecdotes
> > (really guys, despite the gravity of John's post, it was off track in
> > the very first response) or political crap. =A0I hope those of you that
> > enjoy knives as tools, heirlooms, or simply as prized possessions will
> > jump in on this and let those in power know what you think.
>
> > Thanks John G. for your post. =A0I knew this was going on and it
> > concerned me a lot, but didn't think this was a good venue (home of
> > the ADD championship winners) for this topic. =A0Hopefully, I was wrong=
.
>
> > Robert
>
> The problem you have here is that the culture has changed drastically. =
=A0When
> I was in high school boys could get in trouble for not having a sharp poc=
ket
> knife in their pockets, and we were taught that they were tools by both t=
he
> coach and the shop teacher. =A0Now it is different, you take a knife to s=
chool
> and you have a weapon. =A0I was doing Census work, you are not allowed to
> carry a weapon will doing census. I had to get a ruling on whether my
> Leatherman was a weapon or not, The team leader ruled it was. =A0Young pe=
ople
> come into my shop and comment on all the weapons I have, I have a tomahaw=
k
> and a sword in the shop neither of which they saw. =A0We live in a societ=
y
> that is so fearful of its own safety that they are making everything that
> can injure a person into a weapon. Let's face it most of our tools are
> derieved from or were used as weapons at some time and in our paranoid
> society they are being judged as weapons again by those who have no idea
> what they are really for.
Wait until the UK knife paranoia come over here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8101032.stm
My wife actually was concerned when I started carrying my
grandfather's old Case pocket knife again. She thought I'd get in
trouble at work.
I don't know how many times it's come in handy since then, just for
pure utility's sake.
-Nathan
Upscale wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message
>> crime they'd institute a mandatory draft and keep all the males
>> between 18-25 overseas fighting bogus wars for indefinite periods.
>> Let me see the Pres. sell that one. ;~)
>
> Makes me think of a very recent front page article in the Toronto
> Star. It profiled a young soldier who just came back of Afghanistan
> and he seems to be getting in all sorts of trouble now that he's
> back. I'm not sure *any* society has found a workable way to deal
> with their returning veterans. It's not as if you can just shut all
> that aggression off because it's not needed any more.
>
> Doesn't Israel have a mandatory draft? I wonder what their stats are
> like?
Culture time:
Israel drafts everybody at age 18 (with some deferments for religious study,
pregnancy, etc.). Males serve for three years, females for two. Further,
upon completion of service, men serve in the reserves until age 55, women
until 36. This reserve service includes 30 days each year of active duty -
and it's not just painting rocks and polishing tanks.
As we speak, Israel has about 13,000 lifers in the IDF and about 100,000
conscripts doing their initial tour. Coupled with the activated reserves,
Israel has, tonight, about 125,000 soldiers under arms.
That number can be increased to 640,000 soldiers deployed in combat, on
three fronts, within 72 hours with the first quarter million on-line in 18
hours.
The U.S. DoD estimates that Israel can field 18 division of infantry and
armor. If so, Israel can field a ground force 50% bigger than the active
ground force of the United States (10 Army divisions and two Marine).
Israel does not have a youth-violence problem, principally because gangs are
unknown. Israeli youth do not join gangs because they cannot wear their
yarmulkes backwards.
In article <[email protected]>,
Upscale <[email protected]> wrote:
> stabbed anybody yet and are chafing under all these new rules are
> older. Almost every news story dealing with a stabbing involves someone
> who is younger.
Well, they set age limits on buying stuff, why not on carrying stuff.
Say, "Anyone over 60 is OK" to carry a pocket knife". I'm guessing that
would include many round here :-)
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I guess the thing about this that gets to me is that there is
> seemingly no hidden agenda to take up all knives as with the gun
> control people.
>
> The insidious and ugly part of it (at least in my opinion) is that
> this is seemingly a review being done by stupid people, ignorant of
> knife practicality, usage and above all utility value. This whole
> thing seems to be orchestrated by a few folks looking to make their
> mark however possible with little or no concern with how they do it.
>
> Since this has been done without all the normal fanfare and press
> attention that something like this usually gets, I am thinking that
> this was an effort for some petty bureaucrat to feather his hat for a
> promotion.
>
> Once it has been accepted by the Customs people, no doubt bill will
> follow by some snotty little congress weiner that will use the Customs
> format in a bill that will bear his name to make a mark for his
> political future.
>
> The Customs folks can try it out, iron out the wrinkles, let a few
> cases go to court to redefine the language and then the hungriest
> politician looking to make a name will simply have to cut and paste
> the newest language and interpretation for his self named bill.
>
> Although this is a reinterpretation at this time, I believe it could
> easily spawn a bill. And this is the very kind of legislation that
> slips through the crack on back of another bill so we never see it
> until the deed is done.
>
> I hope folks are sending their letters.
>
> Robert
Once again we have the CPSIA all over agian. Does anyone in government
think?
>
>
>
"MGH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> teenager. I also told her I have never stabbed anybody..yet. She turned
> around and walked out.
I haven't followed this thread entirely, but one thing I didn't see
mentioned is the age thing. All the people used to carrying knives who
haven't stabbed anybody yet and are chafing under all these new rules are
older. Almost every news story dealing with a stabbing involves someone who
is younger.
I'd suggest that the powers at large are attempting to deal with the
stabbing phenomenon that supposedly is appearing with the younger generation
and the older generation is upset about feeling the resultant heat generated
from it.
Not sure what the solution is or if there's a solution. Guess it's the ago
old conundrum, how to get the younger generation to look at some things like
the older generation. Guess they'll all get there eventually, if they live
that long.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> crime they'd institute a mandatory draft and keep all the males between
>> 18-25 overseas fighting bogus wars for indefinite periods. Let me see the
>> Pres. sell that one. ;~)
>
> Makes me think of a very recent front page article in the Toronto Star. It
> profiled a young soldier who just came back of Afghanistan and he seems to
> be getting in all sorts of trouble now that he's back. I'm not sure *any*
> society has found a workable way to deal with their returning veterans.
> It's
> not as if you can just shut all that aggression off because it's not
> needed
> any more.
>
> Doesn't Israel have a mandatory draft? I wonder what their stats are like?
Yes, both genders. Switzerland has compulsory service with the guns in the
homes.
I hope that didn't come off as flip, it was more a poke at the "simple
solution" mindset of Congress critters like Schumer and McCarthy with fuel
coming from Brady...
John
I guess the thing about this that gets to me is that there is
seemingly no hidden agenda to take up all knives as with the gun
control people.
The insidious and ugly part of it (at least in my opinion) is that
this is seemingly a review being done by stupid people, ignorant of
knife practicality, usage and above all utility value. This whole
thing seems to be orchestrated by a few folks looking to make their
mark however possible with little or no concern with how they do it.
Since this has been done without all the normal fanfare and press
attention that something like this usually gets, I am thinking that
this was an effort for some petty bureaucrat to feather his hat for a
promotion.
Once it has been accepted by the Customs people, no doubt bill will
follow by some snotty little congress weiner that will use the Customs
format in a bill that will bear his name to make a mark for his
political future.
The Customs folks can try it out, iron out the wrinkles, let a few
cases go to court to redefine the language and then the hungriest
politician looking to make a name will simply have to cut and paste
the newest language and interpretation for his self named bill.
Although this is a reinterpretation at this time, I believe it could
easily spawn a bill. And this is the very kind of legislation that
slips through the crack on back of another bill so we never see it
until the deed is done.
I hope folks are sending their letters.
Robert
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> After reading John Grossbohlin's remarks on the topic of knife
> classification, I wasn't surprised to see the topic rapidly devolve
> into the cost of travel to other cities, using assault weapons to
> shoot snakes, and using soup cans as weapons.
>
Chopped
>
> Thanks John G. for your post. I knew this was going on and it
> concerned me a lot, but didn't think this was a good venue (home of
> the ADD championship winners) for this topic. Hopefully, I was wrong.
>
> Robert
I actually didn't think it would devolve so quickly.... though I thought the
potential was there if the reader didn't read the citations. I figured it
was worth the risk. This as the reinterpretation is one of those slippery
slope things that can have a lot of unintended consequences. Much as the
mandatory health insurance and mandatory national health databases will have
unintended consequences. I tend to bucket all three things in the "sound
bite politics" bucket... no full vetting of the issue and many voting on the
issues don't even know what they really include.
John
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "MGH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > teenager. I also told her I have never stabbed anybody..yet. She
turned
> > around and walked out.
>
> I haven't followed this thread entirely, but one thing I didn't see
> mentioned is the age thing. All the people used to carrying knives who
> haven't stabbed anybody yet and are chafing under all these new rules
are
> older. Almost every news story dealing with a stabbing involves
someone who
> is younger.
>
> I'd suggest that the powers at large are attempting to deal with the
> stabbing phenomenon that supposedly is appearing with the younger
generation
> and the older generation is upset about feeling the resultant heat
generated
> from it.
>
> Not sure what the solution is or if there's a solution. Guess it's the
ago
> old conundrum, how to get the younger generation to look at some
things like
> the older generation. Guess they'll all get there eventually, if they
live
> that long.
>
It all started with the "Zero Tolerance" mantra that outlawed anything
that was even remotely considered a weapon in school. Then the "Nothing
sharp a kid could get cut on." crowd jumped on the bandwagon (or maybe
it was the other way around). So instead of being taught the proper care
and safe handling of these tools, all kids learned about them is what
they see on TV. Which is predominately related to CSI type shows.
Len
John Grossbohlin wrote:
> I kind of concluded that if the US were "really serious" about reducing
> crime they'd institute a mandatory draft and keep all the males between
> 18-25 overseas fighting bogus wars for indefinite periods. Let me see the
> Pres. sell that one. ;~)
Mercenary armies for hire! It would also help solve the deficit. Two
birds with one stone...
Chris
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> After reading John Grossbohlin's remarks on the topic of knife
> classification, I wasn't surprised to see the topic rapidly devolve
> into the cost of travel to other cities, using assault weapons to
> shoot snakes, and using soup cans as weapons.
>
> The gist of the problem is that if Customs redefines what is and is
> not an illegal knife, the ramifications of their findings will be used
> as a model for further legislation within not only the Federal
> government, but the state governments as well. Lazy lawmakers will
> simply cut and paste language into bills without understanding the
> words or their meanings.
>
> This transcends all political party lines. It goes well past the
> petty pissing contests of who voted for the right candidate and who
> didn't. This could literally change the culture of those of us that
> use knives for tools.
>
> The new interpretation of the Swtichblade Act will consider if
> assisted openers (AOs), spring assisted, or gravity flow knives will
> be legal for importation. This has been expanded by the Customs
> agency to consider knives with thumbstuds, holes in the blades (like
> Spydercos and the like), spine jimping or knives of any type that can
> be opened with one hand.
>
> Again, the fear in this matter is that the lazy legislators will
> simply boilerplate the language of Customs and push bills into laws
> using the Customs interpretation.
>
> This is not an irrational fear. You can about read the direction of
> this reinterpretation of the 50 year old bill, how it is coming about
> and where is is going now by going to bladeforums.com and looking in
> the general discussion.
>
> I have no switchblades. But I have many of the knives under
> consideration for reclassification, knives I use every day. Most have
> only 2 - 2 1/2" blades on them. All have at least thumbstuds because
> they are easier to open with sweaty, dirty hands. Some have assisted
> opening, which is great when you have a handful of material in one and
> need to cut a rope or binding with the other.
>
> Worse for me, a couple of old favorite Buck knives could be
> reclassified as "gravity flow" knives since they are so worn out they
> will easily flip open.
>
> There is something sneaky going on with this effort. I am not
> assessing blame, pointing fingers, and frankly don't care. But it is
> strange that the folks behind the reinterpretation will not accept
> emails, snail mail only. Also, even with the huge interest shown by
> many different groups and thousands of individuals, a 30 day extension
> cannot be secured to allow a proper, legal response.
>
> The intent of the current efforts is to stop the ramrodding of this
> new interpretation into "Customs" law, which will most likely become
> Federal and/or State law at a later date.
>
> You can do something besides wring your hands and talk politics. At
> the very least, if you do something to act to protect your rights, you
> won't have to look in the mirror and know you just bent over and
> dropped your pants and closed your eyes.
>
> Here is a good place to start:
>
> http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=84&Itemid=1
>
> or as a tiny url:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/lgztuw
>
> You don't have to be sheep. Don't just whine to your buddies and rail
> out about the injustices of a sissy society. Don't bang your cane on
> the front porch and tell your kids about the way it was "in your
> day". Do something now to protect not only your rights, but the
> rights of those that follow!
>
> The links above have embedded in them additional information, sample
> letters to Customs, and sample letters to your Congressman. These can
> be easily adapted to send to anyone that will listen. They are
> in .txt, rich format and even Microsoft Word. All you need is a
> stamp.
>
> Don't let this devolve into another thread of irrelevant anecdotes
> (really guys, despite the gravity of John's post, it was off track in
> the very first response) or political crap. I hope those of you that
> enjoy knives as tools, heirlooms, or simply as prized possessions will
> jump in on this and let those in power know what you think.
>
> Thanks John G. for your post. I knew this was going on and it
> concerned me a lot, but didn't think this was a good venue (home of
> the ADD championship winners) for this topic. Hopefully, I was wrong.
>
> Robert
The problem you have here is that the culture has changed drastically. When
I was in high school boys could get in trouble for not having a sharp pocket
knife in their pockets, and we were taught that they were tools by both the
coach and the shop teacher. Now it is different, you take a knife to school
and you have a weapon. I was doing Census work, you are not allowed to
carry a weapon will doing census. I had to get a ruling on whether my
Leatherman was a weapon or not, The team leader ruled it was. Young people
come into my shop and comment on all the weapons I have, I have a tomahawk
and a sword in the shop neither of which they saw. We live in a society
that is so fearful of its own safety that they are making everything that
can injure a person into a weapon. Let's face it most of our tools are
derieved from or were used as weapons at some time and in our paranoid
society they are being judged as weapons again by those who have no idea
what they are really for.
"nhurst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1493043d-bd62-469a-a168-3a770f533cb2@k17g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 16, 7:15 am, "sweet sawdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
Wait until the UK knife paranoia come over here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8101032.stm
My wife actually was concerned when I started carrying my
grandfather's old Case pocket knife again. She thought I'd get in
trouble at work.
I don't know how many times it's come in handy since then, just for
pure utility's sake.
-Nathan
I recall comparing knives and sharpening techniques with several of my high
school teachers and openly talking about guns and hunting with others. I've
always carried some form of pocket knife... 5th or 6th grade. Boy Scout
knife for many years and then Buck and J.A.Henckels pen knives--the Boy
Scout knife is tough on business clothes. ;~) Very useful tools for daily
carry... never thought of any of them as weapons.
John
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I guess the thing about this that gets to me is that there is
> seemingly no hidden agenda to take up all knives as with the gun
> control people.
One difference though is that while guns have the potential to last for
centuries with moderate care, and thus the number of them steadily increases
in number over time, knives tend to be consumed with use. For example, I've
only worn out one center-fire handgun but have gone through a couple dozen
knives--sharpened them away, lost them, broken them. Thus, within a couple
generations "bad knives" would pretty much disappear and the regulators
don't have to mess with the nasty political stuff such as mass
confiscations...
John
[email protected] wrote:
... snip
>
> The gist of the problem is that if Customs redefines what is and is
> not an illegal knife, the ramifications of their findings will be used
> as a model for further legislation within not only the Federal
> government, but the state governments as well. Lazy lawmakers will
> simply cut and paste language into bills without understanding the
> words or their meanings.
>
... snip
Just to further reinforce you point by illustrating how far this can go
into the realm of the ridiculous, this example from Great Britain:
<http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6501720.ece>
Remember back when gun control first was proposed and people asked, "What?
Then you going to ban knives next?" The derisive answer was, "Stop being
silly, nobody is proposing that, you are just engaging in hyperbole".
How's that working out for you in Great Britain?
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> crime they'd institute a mandatory draft and keep all the males between
> 18-25 overseas fighting bogus wars for indefinite periods. Let me see the
> Pres. sell that one. ;~)
Makes me think of a very recent front page article in the Toronto Star. It
profiled a young soldier who just came back of Afghanistan and he seems to
be getting in all sorts of trouble now that he's back. I'm not sure *any*
society has found a workable way to deal with their returning veterans. It's
not as if you can just shut all that aggression off because it's not needed
any more.
Doesn't Israel have a mandatory draft? I wonder what their stats are like?
sweet sawdust wrote:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
... snip
>> Although this is a reinterpretation at this time, I believe it could
>> easily spawn a bill. And this is the very kind of legislation that
>> slips through the crack on back of another bill so we never see it
>> until the deed is done.
>>
>> I hope folks are sending their letters.
>>
>> Robert
>
> Once again we have the CPSIA all over agian. Does anyone in government
> think?
Short answer: No.
Slightly longer answer: Statists only think about how to increase their
power over others.
>>
>>
>>
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HeyBub wrote:
> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I guess the thing about this that gets to me is that there is
>>> seemingly no hidden agenda to take up all knives as with the gun
>>> control people.
>>
>> One difference though is that while guns have the potential to last
>> for centuries with moderate care, and thus the number of them
>> steadily increases in number over time, knives tend to be consumed
>> with use. For example, I've only worn out one center-fire handgun
>> but have gone through a couple dozen knives--sharpened them away,
>> lost them, broken them. Thus, within a couple generations "bad
>> knives" would pretty much disappear and the regulators don't have to
>> mess with the nasty political stuff such as mass confiscations...
>
> Good point (no pun intended). On the other hand, knives are so much
> easier to fashion from scratch than guns...
It's more that the ignorant loons who advocate gun control do not grasp the
concept that a knife is a deadly weapon. They're fixated on the notion that
knives and swords and bows and arrows and Swiss pikes and the like are
"obsolete" and thus no longer "dangerous".
I do wish that there was such a thing as a time machine--I'd dearly love to
put the whole lot at Cannae between the Romans and the Carthaginians. In
the unlikely event that any survived they'd have a very different
perspective on the lethality of "primitive" weapons.
In article <[email protected]>
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> writes:
>
> Just to further reinforce you point by illustrating how far this can go
>into the realm of the ridiculous, this example from Great Britain:
><http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6501720.ece>
>
> Remember back when gun control first was proposed and people asked, "What?
>Then you going to ban knives next?" The derisive answer was, "Stop being
>silly, nobody is proposing that, you are just engaging in hyperbole".
>How's that working out for you in Great Britain?
I don't see anything about banning knives in that article, just a
product report about a blunt-tipped knife.
BTW, folklore at least credits the creation of table knives to
Cardinal Richelieu, who had the points ground off knives of his
table settings to minimize knife fights at his banquets.
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Drew Lawson wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>
> Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>> Just to further reinforce you point by illustrating how far this can go
>>into the realm of the ridiculous, this example from Great Britain:
>><http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6501720.ece>
>>
>> Remember back when gun control first was proposed and people asked,
>> "What?
>>Then you going to ban knives next?" The derisive answer was, "Stop being
>>silly, nobody is proposing that, you are just engaging in hyperbole".
>>How's that working out for you in Great Britain?
>
> I don't see anything about banning knives in that article, just a
> product report about a blunt-tipped knife.
>
> BTW, folklore at least credits the creation of table knives to
> Cardinal Richelieu, who had the points ground off knives of his
> table settings to minimize knife fights at his banquets.
>
>
From the article (emphasis mine):
"It was invented by industrial designer John Cornock, who was inspired by a
documentary IN WHICH DOCTORS ADVOCATED BANNING TRADITIONAL KNIVES"
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Upscale wrote:
> Not sure what the solution is or if there's a solution. Guess it's the ago
> old conundrum, how to get the younger generation to look at some things like
> the older generation. Guess they'll all get there eventually, if they live
> that long.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
I am a high school shop teacher, just retired after 34 years. One day about
six years ago a principal walked into my room as I was opening a package
with my pocketknife. Her eyes got as big as saucers when she saw the knife.
I told her it as a tool and I have been carrying a knife since I was a
teenager. I also told her I have never stabbed anybody..yet. She turned
around and walked out.
MGH
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "MGH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> teenager. I also told her I have never stabbed anybody..yet. She
>> turned
>> around and walked out.
>
> I haven't followed this thread entirely, but one thing I didn't see
> mentioned is the age thing. All the people used to carrying knives who
> haven't stabbed anybody yet and are chafing under all these new rules are
> older. Almost every news story dealing with a stabbing involves someone
> who
> is younger.
>
> I'd suggest that the powers at large are attempting to deal with the
> stabbing phenomenon that supposedly is appearing with the younger
> generation
> and the older generation is upset about feeling the resultant heat
> generated
> from it.
>
> Not sure what the solution is or if there's a solution. Guess it's the ago
> old conundrum, how to get the younger generation to look at some things
> like
> the older generation. Guess they'll all get there eventually, if they live
> that long.
This is really no different from the patterns in other crimes... looked at
globally countries with relatively high numbers of young males tend to have
a higher incidence of crime and homicide than countries that have relatively
more older women. After reading the cross-national crime statistics research
I kind of concluded that if the US were "really serious" about reducing
crime they'd institute a mandatory draft and keep all the males between
18-25 overseas fighting bogus wars for indefinite periods. Let me see the
Pres. sell that one. ;~)
John
John Grossbohlin wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I guess the thing about this that gets to me is that there is
>> seemingly no hidden agenda to take up all knives as with the gun
>> control people.
>
> One difference though is that while guns have the potential to last
> for centuries with moderate care, and thus the number of them
> steadily increases in number over time, knives tend to be consumed
> with use. For example, I've only worn out one center-fire handgun
> but have gone through a couple dozen knives--sharpened them away,
> lost them, broken them. Thus, within a couple generations "bad
> knives" would pretty much disappear and the regulators don't have to
> mess with the nasty political stuff such as mass confiscations...
Good point (no pun intended). On the other hand, knives are so much easier
to fashion from scratch than guns...