On Jun 10, 1:34=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, willshak@
> 00hvc.rr.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > -MIKE- wrote the following:
> > > On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> > >> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww =
and
> > >> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans =
are
> > >> keeping a low profile...
>
> > >> Bill
>
> > > You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
> > > in a thread about cherry furniture.
>
> > > I love baseball. =A0Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ l=
eft
> > > Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win fo=
r
> > > that very reason.
>
> > My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators=
.
>
> So a rock concert is "sports"?
Do YOU think it's sports?
> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
Yes, great games so far, though I've seen only the 3rd.
My wife and I were sort of rooting for Dallas even though I think
the owner is a d-head. The fact that the Heat loaded up with
talent over the summer primarily to win this championship allowed
me to take the underdog team to heart.
The Heat will win a championship, if not this year, certainly
next year or beyond. They just won't, to me, be the teams that
dominated the 70's and 80's. Chicago, LA (with Magic and Kareem),
Boston, NY. These teams seem to represent their hometowns.
The Heat seems to represent the money that the owner has. I'd suspect
that the good people of Miami might disagree.
The fact that the Heat is not running through the Mavs is good.
Certainly
it's great for the TV revenues as well as the entertainment value.
Go Mavs!
MJ
On Jun 12, 4:18=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
[Jaqified]
>
> It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSep...
>
Jeezoos, that bunch looks like they could invade a small country. <G>
Bill wrote:
> Hi Mike--haven't seen you here in a while.
Back at ya Bill. Been a bit on and off in my participation here lately.
Kind of busy.
> What you wrote makes sense to me for say golf.
Funny you should say that - and it makes a lot of sense... I was thinking
of both golf and racing in particular when I penned my thoughts.
> I don't know when I'll
> be on the football field again (I don't belong out there), but that
> doesn't keep me from enjoying some of the NFL games. I got the whole
> "surrogate" idea from an article I read. I didn't swallow it hook,
> line and sinker either, but I thought, and still think, that it
> provides a good starting point for understanding (why people are
> often so passionate about "their teams").
Likewise, after sending my post I started to think that there are a lot of
people who have probably never set foot on the field of their favorite
sporting arena, who are avid fans. So- maybe there is something to that
surrogate idea after all...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jun 11, 12:50=A0pm, Angela Sekeris <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 11:26=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
> wrote:> On 6/10/11 9:38 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 10, 9:22 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> > >> Bullfighting is not a sport.
>
> > > If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
>
> > And Rollerball, can't forget that.
>
> Being a loyal EastCoaster, Angela likes to check out movies with Ellen
> Page in them.
> One such movie we viewed (Netflix) was her doing rollerball. HotDAMN
> that Ellen is cute.
> I was going to ask Ang if I could get Ellen to come home with me,
> promised to walk her and feed her, if I could keep her, but instead I
> decided I don't mind the way my face looks in this condition.
I HAVE to learn to check who used this laptop last...*slaps self*
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:16:00 -0400, Bill wrote:
> SBH wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog chasing
>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>
>>
>
>
> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
> keeping a low profile...
>
> Bill
Could be, In my case, any activity that I am doing(however trivial)
trumps spectating. I do make an exception, I stop what I am doing
and spend 3 mins a year watching the Kentucky Derby.
basilisk
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> Lew
>
What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog chasing
a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 17:43:39 -0700, "Lobby Dosser"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:33:41 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> bunchaposters said:
>>>>>> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying
>>>>>> spectators.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do
>>>>> they call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pole Dancing.
>>>
>>>Ahh.. I didn't realize it was ethnic.
>>
>> I'm sure glad I didn't have a mouthful of tea when I read that.
>> Two points, fer sher.
>
>Oh, Three!
OK, since it was the best one-liner of the year so far.
--
The ultimate result of shielding men from the
effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer
On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 07:18:08 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>>>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
>>> chasing
>>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> keeping a low profile...
>
>Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
>particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
>dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
>eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because some
>other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
>line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
>waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
>Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
>Jerry Springer.
>
>Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
I want K-1 kickboxing and Muay Thai bouts. Those were truly
hootilicious. It makes prize fighting pale in comparison. Well, 'cept
for Mike Tyson's popcorn bouts. Cook up a batch of popcorn and watch
all of Tyson's fights before you're done with the corn. (Well, the
pre-biting bouts, anyway.) K-1 is one of the very few things I truly
miss from my TV years. They had a dozen or so contestants and the
winners of each pair fought until they had an ultimate winner. Some
guys went through four fights in a row. THAT is Fight Night, guys.
I just found this. We'll see how it is now.
http://www.kickboxing-core.com/videos/Videos.aspx
I miss the old guys. Michael McDonald in his gladiator skirt, Remy
Bonjaski with the lightning-fast kicks to the head, Earnest Hoost,
Stefan Leko, Jerome LeBanner. Artists, all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDR2AWiD38o (kill the rap)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zxVzFjj-w8 close one, well matched.
some old highlights: Kicks at 5 mins are vicious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jq6kv3BPQ8&feature=related
somebody's top 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud6M0xp6KEQ
turn that farkin' rap OFF before it gets started.
--
Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects.
--anon
On Jun 12, 7:11=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 4:59 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Jun 12, 4:18 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> > [Jaqified]
>
> >> It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
>
> >>https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSep..=
.
>
> > Jeezoos, that bunch looks like they could invade a small country.<G>
>
> We did. Don't think you could get away with that in Coahuila or Nueva
> Leon these days ... we did this about four or five years in a row during
> the high rolling days of the late 70's, early 80's. And that was
> nothing, you shoulda seen what we did in Vail and Aspen, in pursuit of
> different game. ;)
>
More cotton tail, eh? :-o
On Jun 10, 8:57=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9800ccbb-9737-45fc-a313-ff93d689eccf@c26g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 8:18 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> > > SBH wrote:
> > >> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >>news:[email protected]...
> > >>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
> > >>> you
> > >>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> > >>> Lew
>
> > >> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
> > >> chasing
> > >> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>
> > > Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww a=
nd
> > > being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans a=
re
> > > keeping a low profile...
>
> > Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> > particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
> > dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
> > eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because som=
e
> > other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
> > line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
> > waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
> > Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
> > Jerry Springer.
>
> > Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> > ;)
>
> > --www.e-woodshop.net
> > Last update: 4/15/2010
> > KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> Boxing can be a great sport to watch if there are two closely matched
> fighters, both with good KO ratios, etc.
> To see two big heavyweights going toe-to-toe can be spectacular. Or
> the insane flurries of lighter weight classes.
> Back in the 70's, I laid out quite a few bucks to go see great fights
> on closed circuit pay per views.
> Hell, I even paid to see Foreman fight the 'Toronto Five' live. What a
> farce that was. (If you don't know what that fight was all about,
> don't waste your time Googling it, what an embarrassment to the
> sport.)
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-- -------
>
> Sport?? Boxing??? Take a look at Ali.
Boxing causes Parkinsons?
On Jun 10, 9:22=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> >>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww a=
nd
> >>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans a=
re
> >>> keeping a low profile...
>
> >>> Bill
>
> >> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood" i=
n
> >> a thread about cherry furniture.
>
> > I failed to hide my lack of enthusiasm, did I? =A0I hinted in two earli=
er
> > posts in this thread that (1) I can appreciate excellence in just about
> > any sport, I think (I'm not so sure about bull-fighting)
>
> Bullfighting is not a sport.
If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
...
>> I'll agree in part w/ Bill...while they've grown and TV revenues
>> dominate excessively, collegiate athletics in the US are a tremendous
>> generator of alumni support in real ways besides the obvious of fans
>> in the stadium on Saturday afternoon.
...
>
> Does MIT have any teams?? Yet they seem to rake in big bucks from alumni
> ,,,
Different environment.
Didn't say the _only_ model; just that for the bulk of large public
uni's success in intercollegiate athletics generally reflects back into
more support and success in the academic programs as well...
--
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> Lew
>
>
While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a test
pattern.
Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
"Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>> > support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>
>
> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a test pattern.
>
> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
My sentiments exactly ... Well, maybe not JS!
--
www.ewoodshop.com
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
> I used to love to watch minor league ball. When stationed in Fort Bliss,
> TX I went most evenings during the summer to watch the El Paso Sun Kings
> play.
>> Then, as a certified 'Petrol Head', I go check out the Top Fuelers at
>> Grand Bend MotorPlex once a year or so. Something about the smell of
>> burnt fuel and rubber and that unreal noise.......
>
> I was briefly infatuated with Grand Prix racing as a kid, but I'd rather
> be a participant that a spectator in any endeavor.
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
You were stationed at Fort Bliss??
Jeez, I'm sorry.
So was I. Guided Missile school, 1951. ;-)
I watch Formula One and IRL and I would much rather be a participant than a
spectator but...............
Max
"Swingman" wrote:
<snip some of Swing's executioner's song with which I agree>
> .. as I've gotten older, extinguishing the 'light of life' in the
> eyes of a living creature is personally not something I continue
> regard as "sport".
----------------------------------
I came home after bagging a cock bird with my single shot .410
and put my guns away.
No desire to hunt anymore, and LBJ was president.
Lew
.
"Andrew Barss" wrote:
> That was the appeal of the other type, mounting them to T-track.
-----------------------------------
T-track works for me.
A 12" x 72" x 3/4" plywood piece with 3, 12", T-tracks evenly spaced
on 24" centers and a 3/8" x 3/4" x 72" aluminium bar for a guide
runner and you are good to go.
Lew
Bill wrote:
>
> I totally agree with you in spirit. In the case of collegiate sports,
> they help form an "important" connection between the institutions and
> their alumni (and other potential supporters). They are a thought-out
> part of the equation.
Indeed they are a very well thought out part of the equation. Straight from
the Accounting Department. Colleiate sports are all about the income. Look
how many college sports figures actually even know what college is all
about...
>
> Someone wrote (somewhere) that the athletes on the field are
> surrogates for us. We don't need to play tennis, we can play through
> <put name of modern tennis pro here>. We're encouraged to be
> consumers rather than producers by our culture: the food is ready to
> eat, the music is ready to listen to, the sports (surrogates) are
> ready to watch, the furniture is ready to use, the disposable fiction
> is ready to read.
Maybe some truth in that, but I'd argue there's only a little... if any. I
can only speak from my own perspective and from that of people I know well,
but from that limited perspective, watching sports is more of an activity of
watching those who are great at what we do in a less great way, do it to the
max. Far from a surrogate role.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Jun 11, 11:26=A0am, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 6/10/11 9:38 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Jun 10, 9:22 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> Bullfighting is not a sport.
>
> > If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
>
> And Rollerball, can't forget that.
>
Being a loyal EastCoaster, Angela likes to check out movies with Ellen
Page in them.
One such movie we viewed (Netflix) was her doing rollerball. HotDAMN
that Ellen is cute.
I was going to ask Ang if I could get Ellen to come home with me,
promised to walk her and feed her, if I could keep her, but instead I
decided I don't mind the way my face looks in this condition.
On 09 Jun 2011 13:59:21 GMT, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
>Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
>> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
>> dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
>> eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because
>> some other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a
>> chalk line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane,
>> disgusting, a waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
I like football, but the modern fixation on sports is a sickness.
When the NFL went on strike the first time, I almost gave up watching.
The second time did the trick. Now they're off again? How many fans
do they have left? $2M for a 30-second spot on the Stupor Bowel?
Gimme a break. It's all out of control as badly as Congress.
Won't someone please hit the RESET button?
>Let's go back to Roman times.
>Gladiators!
>Defend yourself with a toothpick against the tiger!
What a wonderful ending for a 3rd Strike felon! The tigers wouldn't
need to be fed, nor would the criminals. Recidivism rate from that
setup would be zero, too.
--
Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects.
--anon
On Jun 11, 2:10=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 6/11/11 12:54 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 11, 12:50 pm, Angela Sekeris<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On Jun 11, 11:26 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> >> wrote:> =A0On 6/10/11 9:38 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >>>> On Jun 10, 9:22 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> =A0 =A0wrot=
e:
> >>>>> Bullfighting is not a sport.
>
> >>>> If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
>
> >>> And Rollerball, can't forget that.
>
> >> Being a loyal EastCoaster, Angela likes to check out movies with Ellen
> >> Page in them.
> >> One such movie we viewed (Netflix) was her doing rollerball. HotDAMN
> >> that Ellen is cute.
> >> I was going to ask Ang if I could get Ellen to come home with me,
> >> promised to walk her and feed her, if I could keep her, but instead I
> >> decided I don't mind the way my face looks in this condition.
>
> > I HAVE to learn to check who used this laptop last...*slaps self*
>
> Have you still not followed my advice, and put a different background
> picture up for each account? =A0It seems so easy....
>
> --
> Froz...
>
> The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
Doesn't work so well when the window is full screen.
.
.
But your suggestion has helped tons.
On Jun 9, 8:18=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > SBH wrote:
> >> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team y=
ou
> >>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> >>> Lew
>
> >> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
> >> chasing
> >> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>
> > Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
> > being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
> > keeping a low profile...
>
> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
> dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
> eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because some
> other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
> line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
> waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
> Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
> Jerry Springer.
>
> Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> ;)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Boxing can be a great sport to watch if there are two closely matched
fighters, both with good KO ratios, etc.
To see two big heavyweights going toe-to-toe can be spectacular. Or
the insane flurries of lighter weight classes.
Back in the 70's, I laid out quite a few bucks to go see great fights
on closed circuit pay per views.
Hell, I even paid to see Foreman fight the 'Toronto Five' live. What a
farce that was. (If you don't know what that fight was all about,
don't waste your time Googling it, what an embarrassment to the
sport.)
Watching hobby league baseball in Kew Beach Toronto with a cold beer
on a Sunday afternoon, with random dogs stopping by for a scratch
behind their ears, kids with squirt guns, french fry truck, live music
in the background... that is 'spectating' at its finest.
Then, as a certified 'Petrol Head', I go check out the Top Fuelers at
Grand Bend MotorPlex once a year or so. Something about the smell of
burnt fuel and rubber and that unreal noise.......
On Jun 8, 5:03=A0am, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
> > support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> > Lew
>
> Hard to be entertained when you don't care.
Never one who takes exceptions to things said here, I must proffer
that in Anthony Weiner's case, I can't think of anything I care less
about, yet find mildly entertaining.
On 6/9/2011 8:38 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> Boxing can be a great sport to watch if there are two closely matched
> fighters, both with good KO ratios, etc.
Boxing is the only "sport" I enjoy watching. Dad was a LA GG champ, and
I boxed as a kid and into college before it was outlawed as an
intercollegiate sport in my freshman year, and being so trained, later
for fun and profit in the wilds of Oz. :)
> Watching hobby league baseball in Kew Beach Toronto with a cold beer
> on a Sunday afternoon, with random dogs stopping by for a scratch
> behind their ears, kids with squirt guns, french fry truck, live music
> in the background... that is 'spectating' at its finest.
I used to love to watch minor league ball. When stationed in Fort Bliss,
TX I went most evenings during the summer to watch the El Paso Sun Kings
play.
I detest MLB since it got populated by a buncha asshats who walk to
first base instead of trying to beat the throw.
> Then, as a certified 'Petrol Head', I go check out the Top Fuelers at
> Grand Bend MotorPlex once a year or so. Something about the smell of
> burnt fuel and rubber and that unreal noise.......
I was briefly infatuated with Grand Prix racing as a kid, but I'd rather
be a participant that a spectator in any endeavor.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 6/12/2011 3:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 1:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>> I was 50 yards from a doe with my 303 had her dead nuts in my sights.
>> Couldn't do it. My guy to my right did kill her with a merciful shot.
>> An avid hunter and guide, he had some emotions about that too, the
>> magnificence and scenery was just too damned beautiful to go
>> unnoticed.
>>
>> I did help with the skinning and draining and later cooking up a lot
>> of that meat, but I did find my own limitations.
>> I still agree with taking an animal for food, but 'sport'?
>
> It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSept1981?authkey=Gv1sRgCOGapbueiLe45QE
>
>
> Then again, like every good coonass, I was _always_ looking beyond, to
> the cooking part ... :)
>
> AAMOF, you ever need any game cleaned for an "in kind" consideration,
> you know where to ask. :)
>
Looking at pic #5 and trying to picture your bird dog, Pandy Bell
eagerly but patiently waiting to retrieve the bounty. ;~)
Times change don't they?
-MIKE- wrote the following:
> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> keeping a low profile...
>>
>> Bill
>
> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
> in a thread about cherry furniture.
>
> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
> that very reason.
>
>
My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
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Max wrote the following:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>>
>
>
> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a
> test pattern.
>
> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional Dart
tournaments.
I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the steel
darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
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On 6/12/2011 1:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> I was 50 yards from a doe with my 303 had her dead nuts in my sights.
> Couldn't do it. My guy to my right did kill her with a merciful shot.
> An avid hunter and guide, he had some emotions about that too, the
> magnificence and scenery was just too damned beautiful to go
> unnoticed.
>
> I did help with the skinning and draining and later cooking up a lot
> of that meat, but I did find my own limitations.
> I still agree with taking an animal for food, but 'sport'?
It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSept1981?authkey=Gv1sRgCOGapbueiLe45QE
Then again, like every good coonass, I was _always_ looking beyond, to
the cooking part ... :)
AAMOF, you ever need any game cleaned for an "in kind" consideration,
you know where to ask. :)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 6/12/2011 9:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 12, 9:14 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> On 6/12/2011 3:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/12/2011 1:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>> I was 50 yards from a doe with my 303 had her dead nuts in my sights.
>>>> Couldn't do it. My guy to my right did kill her with a merciful shot.
>>>> An avid hunter and guide, he had some emotions about that too, the
>>>> magnificence and scenery was just too damned beautiful to go
>>>> unnoticed.
>>
>>>> I did help with the skinning and draining and later cooking up a lot
>>>> of that meat, but I did find my own limitations.
>>>> I still agree with taking an animal for food, but 'sport'?
>>
>>> It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSep...
>>
>>> Then again, like every good coonass, I was _always_ looking beyond, to
>>> the cooking part ... :)
>>
>>> AAMOF, you ever need any game cleaned for an "in kind" consideration,
>>> you know where to ask. :)
>>
>> Looking at pic #5 and trying to picture your bird dog, Pandy Bell
>> eagerly but patiently waiting to retrieve the bounty. ;~)
>>
>> Times change don't they?
>
> I guess the Heat proved you can't buy a championship, eh?
White boys can jump!
In article <[email protected]>, willshak@
00hvc.rr.com says...
>
> -MIKE- wrote the following:
> > On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
> >> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
> >> keeping a low profile...
> >>
> >> Bill
> >
> > You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
> > in a thread about cherry furniture.
> >
> > I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
> > Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
> > that very reason.
> >
> >
>
> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
So a rock concert is "sports"?
On 6/12/2011 4:59 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 12, 4:18 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
> [Jaqified]
>>
>> It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSep...
>>
>
> Jeezoos, that bunch looks like they could invade a small country.<G>
We did. Don't think you could get away with that in Coahuila or Nueva
Leon these days ... we did this about four or five years in a row during
the high rolling days of the late 70's, early 80's. And that was
nothing, you shoulda seen what we did in Vail and Aspen, in pursuit of
different game. ;)
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On 6/11/2011 7:40 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> Yeah, sure is Sporting. Just like Dog Fighting and Bull Baiting. And
> let's not forget Fox Hunting. Bull fighting is about as sporting as a
> slaughter house.
I'll never forget the first (and only) _real_ bullfight I ever saw, in
Nuevo Laredo, TX. The sheer magnificence of that animal when it entered
the arena, only to be dragged out by its heels, lifeless, was, for me an
extremely unsettling experience.
It's hard put into words, but the machinations to reduce that animal
physically to a level for the matador to be on more or less equal terms
with it, were abominations. AMMOF and IMO, a culture that revels in that
type of behavior is doomed, yet we embrace them in the guise of
"diversity".
This was despite being raised on a farm, where the killing of rabbits,
chicken, ducks, feed lot calves, etc., for our own consumption was a
weekly occurrence, and I, as on the only male sibling at the time, was
the designated executioner.
It's the eyes of the animals that finally got to me in this regard, even
as a previous avid hunter ... as I've gotten older, extinguishing the
'light of life' in the eyes of a living creature is personally not
something I continue regard as "sport".
Don't get me wrong ... I'll take all the game meat you want to load me
down with and use it well, but I'd simply rather not personally kill
another living creature as long as I live.
I've done more than my share, and I'm done with it ...
YMMV ...
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great
>>>> entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
>>> chasing
>>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww
>> and being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports
>> fans are keeping a low profile...
>
> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
> dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
> eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because
> some other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a
> chalk line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane,
> disgusting, a waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
> Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
> Jerry Springer.
>
> Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> ;)
>
Let's go back to Roman times.
Gladiators!
Defend yourself with a toothpick against the tiger!
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On Jun 10, 1:44=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> =A0The sound of 1,500 horsepower
> crackling, just trying to idle, is a wonderful sound you won't forget.
>
Tell it brother!!!!
Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Max wrote the following:
>>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what
>>>>>> team you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great
>>>>>> entertainment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch
>>>>> a test pattern.
>>>>>
>>>>> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
>>>>
>>>> Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional
>>>> Dart tournaments.
>>>> I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the
>>>> steel darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
>>>> I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't know how you'd watch that on TV. No smoke, nobody spilling
>>> beer on you, no pee smelly bathrooms .... No Risk.
>> I smoke, I drink Beer and sometimes spill it on myself. My wife won't
>> let me have a smelly bathroom, so I pee in a corner of the basement.,
>> just for the ambiance. :-)
>>
>
> Used to shoot darts in a couple places where you had to walk between
> the shooter and the board to het to the john. Made the game a tad more
> interesting. 601 doubles.
LOL. Darts is a gentleman's sport, and besides aim, requires math
skills. I suppose it has happened, but I have never heard of a fight in
a bar where people were throwing darts at each other, unlike billiards
where the cue stick becomes a weapon.
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Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>>> keeping a low profile...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
>> in a thread about cherry furniture.
>>
>> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ
>> left Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs
>> win for that very reason.
>
> Cleveland? Surely LBJ was from west Texas.
LeBron James, and I don't know how I know that.
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Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Max wrote the following:
>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a
>>> test pattern.
>>>
>>> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
>>
>> Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional
>> Dart tournaments.
>> I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the
>> steel darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
>> I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
>>
>
> Don't know how you'd watch that on TV. No smoke, nobody spilling beer
> on you, no pee smelly bathrooms .... No Risk.
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Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Max wrote the following:
>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a
>>> test pattern.
>>>
>>> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
>>
>> Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional
>> Dart tournaments.
>> I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the
>> steel darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
>> I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
>>
>
> Don't know how you'd watch that on TV. No smoke, nobody spilling beer
> on you, no pee smelly bathrooms .... No Risk.
I smoke, I drink Beer and sometimes spill it on myself. My wife won't
let me have a smelly bathroom, so I pee in a corner of the basement.,
just for the ambiance. :-)
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On Jun 12, 9:35=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
[Jaq'sd]
>
> It's the eyes of the animals that finally got to me in this regard, even
> as a previous avid hunter ... as I've gotten older, extinguishing the
> 'light of life' in the eyes of a living creature is personally not
> something I continue regard as "sport".
>
> Don't get me wrong ... I'll take all the game meat you want to load me
> down with and use it well, but I'd simply rather not personally kill
> another living creature as long as I live.
>
> I've done more than my share, and I'm done with it ...
Takes a man to acknowledge this point in his life.
I was 50 yards from a doe with my 303 had her dead nuts in my sights.
Couldn't do it. My guy to my right did kill her with a merciful shot.
An avid hunter and guide, he had some emotions about that too, the
magnificence and scenery was just too damned beautiful to go
unnoticed.
I did help with the skinning and draining and later cooking up a lot
of that meat, but I did find my own limitations.
I still agree with taking an animal for food, but 'sport'?
On Jun 12, 9:14=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 6/12/2011 3:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6/12/2011 1:29 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> >> I was 50 yards from a doe with my 303 had her dead nuts in my sights.
> >> Couldn't do it. My guy to my right did kill her with a merciful shot.
> >> An avid hunter and guide, he had some emotions about that too, the
> >> magnificence and scenery was just too damned beautiful to go
> >> unnoticed.
>
> >> I did help with the skinning and draining and later cooking up a lot
> >> of that meat, but I did find my own limitations.
> >> I still agree with taking an animal for food, but 'sport'?
>
> > It's not that I didn't like to hunt:
>
> >https://picasaweb.google.com/karlcaillouet/MexicoWhiteWingDoveHuntSep...
>
> > Then again, like every good coonass, I was _always_ looking beyond, to
> > the cooking part ... :)
>
> > AAMOF, you ever need any game cleaned for an "in kind" consideration,
> > you know where to ask. :)
>
> Looking at pic #5 and trying to picture your bird dog, Pandy Bell
> eagerly but patiently waiting to retrieve the bounty. =A0;~)
>
> Times change don't they?
I guess the Heat proved you can't buy a championship, eh?
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> Lew
>
Hard to be entertained when you don't care.
Swingman wrote:
> On 6/8/2011 4:03 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>
>> Hard to be entertained when you don't care.
>
> What he said ...
>
Tough crowd! ;)
I have no concern about the outcome, but I can appreciate excellence
when I see it. Just another version of "form and function"!
The same holds for bowling and curling. Although it gets harder and
harder to call any "sport" in which you can drink beer and smoke while
you're playing it a sport...
SBH wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>
>> Lew
>>
> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog chasing
> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>
>
Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
keeping a low profile...
Bill
Swingman wrote:
> On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>> SBH wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>>>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
>>> chasing
>>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> keeping a low profile...
>
> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand.
I totally agree with you in spirit. In the case of collegiate sports,
they help form an "important" connection between the institutions and
their alumni (and other potential supporters). They are a thought-out
part of the equation. In the case of professional sports, the
benefactors seem to go on forever (restaurants, hotels, companies that
make and sell beer,...). In Oklahoma, where I lived for few years,
people seem to live for Friday-night high school football..lol. I'll
leave it to someone who can surely do better than me to justify the
economics behind high school sports.
Someone wrote (somewhere) that the athletes on the field are surrogates
for us. We don't need to play tennis, we can play through <put name of
modern tennis pro here>. We're encouraged to be consumers rather than
producers by our culture: the food is ready to eat, the music is ready
to listen to, the sports (surrogates) are ready to watch, the furniture
is ready to use, the disposable fiction is ready to read. I think this
goes a long way towards explaining, in an indirect way, the appeal to me
of some of the (mostly forgotten) crafts. Having the ability to make
stuff is important to me no matter to what level (of production) that I
actually make stuff. It makes me feel more whole somehow. Taking another
side, I do enjoy hot water and electricity that are ready to use!
Wrapping things up, spectator sports may just be a simple by-product of
capitalism. Too much of anything is usually not good for you... Someone
must have written a book by now on some of the negative consequences of
sports in society? Thinking of sports as an institution, even the
Catholic church must stand impressed...and I think that's really quite a
statement to be able to make! Go Saints!
Do you know which city the Saints hail from? Can you write down the
Quadratic Formula? ;)
Bill
Two
> dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
> eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because some
> other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
> line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
> waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
> Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
> Jerry Springer.
>
> Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> ;)
>
On 6/9/2011 7:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
...
> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. ...
> ... carrying a ball over a chalk
> line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
> waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
...
I'll agree in part w/ Bill...while they've grown and TV revenues
dominate excessively, collegiate athletics in the US are a tremendous
generator of alumni support in real ways besides the obvious of fans in
the stadium on Saturday afternoon.
My alma mater was a complete doormat in a major conference for years
until quite some time after I had matriculated a new President made the
commitment to finally turn the program around and managed to do so.
The support to the university in all academic areas that followed was
not to be believed--success instills an awareness and commitment to
ensure success in other areas as well that for some reason is seemingly
nearly if not impossible to generate by simply appealing to the
straightforward campaign approach.
I don't agree that it's necessarily a capitalistic phenomenon alone,
however; one only has to look at the prominence in definitely
non-capitalistic countries for confirmation of that.
Back to the OPs comment, while as noted before I think the NBA form of
basketball is a terrible sport, I do pay at least a modicum of attention
(in large part because of limited over-the-air viewing, if there's going
to be anything at all on, it'll be it w/ the sound down while either
listen to a local baseball semi-pro broadcast and/or reading...
--
On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
> keeping a low profile...
>
> Bill
You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood" in
a thread about cherry furniture.
I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
that very reason.
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-MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> keeping a low profile...
>>
>> Bill
>
> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood" in
> a thread about cherry furniture.
I failed to hide my lack of enthusiasm, did I? I hinted in two earlier
posts in this thread that (1) I can appreciate excellence in just about
any sport, I think (I'm not so sure about bull-fighting) and (2) I agree
with the poster who thinks we are a little "over the top" about our
sports in the US. I even enjoy baseball a bit, but whoever is pushing
each team to play 160+ games per season--I hope don't they are not doing
it on my account! ; )
Bill
>
> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
> that very reason.
>
>
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>> I totally agree with you in spirit. In the case of collegiate sports,
>> they help form an "important" connection between the institutions and
>> their alumni (and other potential supporters). They are a thought-out
>> part of the equation.
>
> Indeed they are a very well thought out part of the equation. Straight
> from the Accounting Department. Colleiate sports are all
> about the income. Look how many college sports figures actually even
> know what college is all about...
>
>
>>
>> Someone wrote (somewhere) that the athletes on the field are
>> surrogates for us. We don't need to play tennis, we can play through
>> <put name of modern tennis pro here>. We're encouraged to be
>> consumers rather than producers by our culture: the food is ready to
>> eat, the music is ready to listen to, the sports (surrogates) are
>> ready to watch, the furniture is ready to use, the disposable fiction
>> is ready to read.
>
> Maybe some truth in that, but I'd argue there's only a little... if
> any. I can only speak from my own perspective and from that of
> people I know well, but from that limited perspective, watching
> sports is more of an activity of watching those who are great at what
> we do in a less great way, do it to the max. Far from a surrogate
> role.
all sports teams foster the 'us' as in both the team and the fan being one,
and it's all about making the team be the surrogate. it's much easier to get
the city to spend public money to give them an arena this way. if it was
about watching a better team play football on sunday afternoon better than
one could play ourselves, the stands would be mostly empty.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>
>>
>> I totally agree with you in spirit. In the case of collegiate sports,
>> they help form an "important" connection between the institutions and
>> their alumni (and other potential supporters). They are a thought-out
>> part of the equation.
>
> Indeed they are a very well thought out part of the equation. Straight from
> the Accounting Department. Colleiate sports are all about the income. Look
> how many college sports figures actually even know what college is all
> about...
>
>
>>
>> Someone wrote (somewhere) that the athletes on the field are
>> surrogates for us. We don't need to play tennis, we can play through
>> <put name of modern tennis pro here>. We're encouraged to be
>> consumers rather than producers by our culture: the food is ready to
>> eat, the music is ready to listen to, the sports (surrogates) are
>> ready to watch, the furniture is ready to use, the disposable fiction
>> is ready to read.
>
> Maybe some truth in that, but I'd argue there's only a little... if any. I
> can only speak from my own perspective and from that of people I know well,
> but from that limited perspective, watching sports is more of an activity of
> watching those who are great at what we do in a less great way, do it to the
> max. Far from a surrogate role.
>
Hi Mike--haven't seen you here in a while.
What you wrote makes sense to me for say golf. I don't know when I'll
be on the football field again (I don't belong out there), but that
doesn't keep me from enjoying some of the NFL games. I got the whole
"surrogate" idea from an article I read. I didn't swallow it hook, line
and sinker either, but I thought, and still think, that it provides a
good starting point for understanding (why people are often so
passionate about "their teams"). Looking at "teams" as the corporate
entities they are probably takes something away from the game. Even at
the Indy500 race, they don't announce how much the winner(s) receive in
dollars. You have to really want to know to find out.
Bill
chaniarts wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I totally agree with you in spirit. In the case of collegiate sports,
>>> they help form an "important" connection between the institutions and
>>> their alumni (and other potential supporters). They are a thought-out
>>> part of the equation.
>>
>> Indeed they are a very well thought out part of the equation. Straight
>> from the Accounting Department. Colleiate sports are all
>> about the income. Look how many college sports figures actually even
>> know what college is all about...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Someone wrote (somewhere) that the athletes on the field are
>>> surrogates for us. We don't need to play tennis, we can play through
>>> <put name of modern tennis pro here>. We're encouraged to be
>>> consumers rather than producers by our culture: the food is ready to
>>> eat, the music is ready to listen to, the sports (surrogates) are
>>> ready to watch, the furniture is ready to use, the disposable fiction
>>> is ready to read.
>>
>> Maybe some truth in that, but I'd argue there's only a little... if
>> any. I can only speak from my own perspective and from that of
>> people I know well, but from that limited perspective, watching
>> sports is more of an activity of watching those who are great at what
>> we do in a less great way, do it to the max. Far from a surrogate
>> role.
>
> all sports teams foster the 'us' as in both the team and the fan being one,
> and it's all about making the team be the surrogate.
Nicely put.
it's much easier to get
> the city to spend public money to give them an arena this way.
Gosh, please tell me they are not that naive..
if it was
> about watching a better team play football on sunday afternoon better than
> one could play ourselves, the stands would be mostly empty.
Definitely agree. Quite a few years back, the Detroit Redwings made it
to a major playoff. My MOTHER, who doesn't know one end of a hockey
stick from the other, became a hockey fan. She had plenty of "team
spirit" too! I teased her that she was a "blue sky" hockey fan... If the
marketers (including everybody involved, especially other fans I believe
in this case) can make mother into an adamant hockey fan, however short
lived, then ANYTHING is possible! : )
After writing that, I would expect that "mob mentality" would be one
aspect of an explanation for people's passion for watching sports.
One doesn't need to search too hard to find evidence to try to support
this notion.
Bill
willshak wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote the following:
>> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>>> keeping a low profile...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
>> in a thread about cherry furniture.
>>
>> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
>> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
>> that very reason.
>>
>>
>
> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
>
What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do
they call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Max wrote the following:
>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a test
>> pattern.
>>
>> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
>
> Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional Dart
> tournaments.
> I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the steel
> darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
> I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
>
Don't know how you'd watch that on TV. No smoke, nobody spilling beer on
you, no pee smelly bathrooms .... No Risk.
"basilisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:16:00 -0400, Bill wrote:
>
>> SBH wrote:
>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>>>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>
>>>> Lew
>>>>
>>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
>>> chasing
>>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> keeping a low profile...
>>
>> Bill
>
> Could be, In my case, any activity that I am doing(however trivial)
> trumps spectating. I do make an exception, I stop what I am doing
> and spend 3 mins a year watching the Kentucky Derby.
>
> basilisk
Jeez, there's three minutes wasted. Just tape it and watch the good bits,
bypassing ref time outs and so on.
--
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jun 9, 8:18 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > SBH wrote:
> >> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
> >>> you
> >>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> >>> Lew
>
> >> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
> >> chasing
> >> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>
> > Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
> > being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
> > keeping a low profile...
>
> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
> dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
> eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because some
> other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
> line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
> waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
> Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
> Jerry Springer.
>
> Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> ;)
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 4/15/2010
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
Boxing can be a great sport to watch if there are two closely matched
fighters, both with good KO ratios, etc.
To see two big heavyweights going toe-to-toe can be spectacular. Or
the insane flurries of lighter weight classes.
Back in the 70's, I laid out quite a few bucks to go see great fights
on closed circuit pay per views.
Hell, I even paid to see Foreman fight the 'Toronto Five' live. What a
farce that was. (If you don't know what that fight was all about,
don't waste your time Googling it, what an embarrassment to the
sport.)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sport?? Boxing??? Take a look at Ali.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Bill wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I totally agree with you in spirit. In the case of collegiate sports,
>>> they help form an "important" connection between the institutions and
>>> their alumni (and other potential supporters). They are a thought-out
>>> part of the equation.
>>
>> Indeed they are a very well thought out part of the equation. Straight
>> from
>> the Accounting Department. Colleiate sports are all about the income.
>> Look
>> how many college sports figures actually even know what college is all
>> about...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Someone wrote (somewhere) that the athletes on the field are
>>> surrogates for us. We don't need to play tennis, we can play through
>>> <put name of modern tennis pro here>. We're encouraged to be
>>> consumers rather than producers by our culture: the food is ready to
>>> eat, the music is ready to listen to, the sports (surrogates) are
>>> ready to watch, the furniture is ready to use, the disposable fiction
>>> is ready to read.
>>
>> Maybe some truth in that, but I'd argue there's only a little... if any.
>> I
>> can only speak from my own perspective and from that of people I know
>> well,
>> but from that limited perspective, watching sports is more of an activity
>> of
>> watching those who are great at what we do in a less great way, do it to
>> the
>> max. Far from a surrogate role.
>>
>
> Hi Mike--haven't seen you here in a while.
> What you wrote makes sense to me for say golf. I don't know when I'll be
> on the football field again (I don't belong out there), but that doesn't
> keep me from enjoying some of the NFL games. I got the whole "surrogate"
> idea from an article I read. I didn't swallow it hook, line and sinker
> either, but I thought, and still think, that it provides a good starting
> point for understanding (why people are often so passionate about "their
> teams"). Looking at "teams" as the corporate entities they are probably
> takes something away from the game. Even at the Indy500 race, they don't
> announce how much the winner(s) receive in dollars. You have to really
> want to know to find out.
The Purse in most races is pretty meaningless. It's all about winning and
how you market the win later that counts.
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On 6/9/2011 7:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
> ...
>> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
>> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. ...
>> ... carrying a ball over a chalk
>> line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
>> waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
> ...
>
> I'll agree in part w/ Bill...while they've grown and TV revenues
> dominate excessively, collegiate athletics in the US are a tremendous
> generator of alumni support in real ways besides the obvious of fans in
> the stadium on Saturday afternoon.
>
> My alma mater was a complete doormat in a major conference for years
> until quite some time after I had matriculated a new President made the
> commitment to finally turn the program around and managed to do so.
>
Does MIT have any teams?? Yet they seem to rake in big bucks from alumni ,,,
"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> keeping a low profile...
>>
>> Bill
>
> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood" in a
> thread about cherry furniture.
>
> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
> that very reason.
Cleveland? Surely LBJ was from west Texas.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>>> keeping a low profile...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood" in
>> a thread about cherry furniture.
>
> I failed to hide my lack of enthusiasm, did I? I hinted in two earlier
> posts in this thread that (1) I can appreciate excellence in just about
> any sport, I think (I'm not so sure about bull-fighting)
Bullfighting is not a sport.
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> willshak wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote the following:
>>> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>>>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>>>> keeping a low profile...
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>
>>> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
>>> in a thread about cherry furniture.
>>>
>>> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
>>> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
>>> that very reason.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
>>
>
> What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do they
> call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
>
>
Pole Dancing.
--
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"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Max wrote the following:
>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a
>>>> test pattern.
>>>>
>>>> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
>>>
>>> Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional Dart
>>> tournaments.
>>> I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the steel
>>> darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
>>> I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Don't know how you'd watch that on TV. No smoke, nobody spilling beer on
>> you, no pee smelly bathrooms .... No Risk.
> I smoke, I drink Beer and sometimes spill it on myself. My wife won't let
> me have a smelly bathroom, so I pee in a corner of the basement., just for
> the ambiance. :-)
>
Used to shoot darts in a couple places where you had to walk between the
shooter and the board to het to the john. Made the game a tad more
interesting. 601 doubles.
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> willshak wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote the following:
>>>> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww
>>>>> and
>>>>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans
>>>>> are
>>>>> keeping a low profile...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
>>>> in a thread about cherry furniture.
>>>>
>>>> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
>>>> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
>>>> that very reason.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
>>>
>>
>> What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do
>> they call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
>>
>>
>
> Pole Dancing.
>
Ahh.. I didn't realize it was ethnic.
"Bill" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
willshak wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote the following:
>> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>>> keeping a low profile...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>
>> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
>> in a thread about cherry furniture.
>>
>> I love baseball. Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
>> Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
>> that very reason.
>>
>>
>
> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
>
What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do
they call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
====
Which "pole" are you referring to? Stop making me drool on my stain.
--
Eric
On 6/10/11 9:38 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 10, 9:22 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Bullfighting is not a sport.
>
> If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
And Rollerball, can't forget that.
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
"Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/9/2011 7:18 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> ...
>>> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
>>> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. ...
>>> ... carrying a ball over a chalk
>>> line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
>>> waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>> ...
>>
>> I'll agree in part w/ Bill...while they've grown and TV revenues
>> dominate excessively, collegiate athletics in the US are a tremendous
>> generator of alumni support in real ways besides the obvious of fans in
>> the stadium on Saturday afternoon.
>>
>> My alma mater was a complete doormat in a major conference for years
>> until quite some time after I had matriculated a new President made the
>> commitment to finally turn the program around and managed to do so.
>>
>
>Does MIT have any teams?? Yet they seem to rake in big bucks from alumni ,,,
According to their current athletics web site, they have varsity teams
in 17 men's sports and 15 women's sports. These include all the
"biggies", although definitely not at the top level of competition.
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On 6/11/11 12:54 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 11, 12:50 pm, Angela Sekeris<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 11:26 am, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
>> wrote:> On 6/10/11 9:38 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jun 10, 9:22 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Bullfighting is not a sport.
>>
>>>> If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
>>
>>> And Rollerball, can't forget that.
>>
>> Being a loyal EastCoaster, Angela likes to check out movies with Ellen
>> Page in them.
>> One such movie we viewed (Netflix) was her doing rollerball. HotDAMN
>> that Ellen is cute.
>> I was going to ask Ang if I could get Ellen to come home with me,
>> promised to walk her and feed her, if I could keep her, but instead I
>> decided I don't mind the way my face looks in this condition.
>
> I HAVE to learn to check who used this laptop last...*slaps self*
Have you still not followed my advice, and put a different background
picture up for each account? It seems so easy....
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
On 6/11/11 6:30 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Jun 11, 2:10 pm, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On 6/11/11 12:54 PM, Robatoy wrote:
.>>
>>> I HAVE to learn to check who used this laptop last...*slaps self*
>>
>> Have you still not followed my advice, and put a different background
>> picture up for each account? It seems so easy....
>>
>
> Doesn't work so well when the window is full screen.
> .
> .
> But your suggestion has helped tons.
Ok, let's call it user error then :-)
My wife and I don't have the problem, we each have our own computers,
then there are the other couple of computers floating around on the
network....
--
Froz...
The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.
"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Lobby Dosser wrote the following:
>>>> "willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Max wrote the following:
>>>>>> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>>>>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I respect your choice of entertainment I would rather watch a
>>>>>> test pattern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max (or even worse, a Jerry Springer episode)
>>>>>
>>>>> Although very rare in th US, but sometimes shown, are Professional
>>>>> Dart tournaments.
>>>>> I am a dart player and was once a VP of a County dart league (the
>>>>> steel darts, not the electronic plastic darts).
>>>>> I'm mostly Irish, in case it matters. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't know how you'd watch that on TV. No smoke, nobody spilling beer
>>>> on you, no pee smelly bathrooms .... No Risk.
>>> I smoke, I drink Beer and sometimes spill it on myself. My wife won't
>>> let me have a smelly bathroom, so I pee in a corner of the basement.,
>>> just for the ambiance. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Used to shoot darts in a couple places where you had to walk between the
>> shooter and the board to het to the john. Made the game a tad more
>> interesting. 601 doubles.
> LOL. Darts is a gentleman's sport, and besides aim, requires math skills.
> I suppose it has happened, but I have never heard of a fight in a bar
> where people were throwing darts at each other, unlike billiards where the
> cue stick becomes a weapon.
And don't forget the balls. Particularly when employed in a purpose brought
sock. Though, most of the pool table fights I've seen occurred in places
such as a tavern where the pool table was secondary to the business. Never
saw a fight in a Pool Room/Billiards Parlor. Perhaps darts being a League
sport makes the difference in the taverns. In the US we don't seem to have
casual players or Fast Eddies shooting darts.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Jun 10, 8:57 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:9800ccbb-9737-45fc-a313-ff93d689eccf@c26g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 9, 8:18 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> > > SBH wrote:
> > >> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >>news:[email protected]...
> > >>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
> > >>> you
> > >>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>
> > >>> Lew
>
> > >> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
> > >> chasing
> > >> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>
> > > Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww
> > > and
> > > being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans
> > > are
> > > keeping a low profile...
>
> > Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
> > particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
> > dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
> > eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because some
> > other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
> > line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
> > waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>
> > Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
> > Jerry Springer.
>
> > Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>
> > ;)
>
> > --www.e-woodshop.net
> > Last update: 4/15/2010
> > KarlC@ (the obvious)
>
> Boxing can be a great sport to watch if there are two closely matched
> fighters, both with good KO ratios, etc.
> To see two big heavyweights going toe-to-toe can be spectacular. Or
> the insane flurries of lighter weight classes.
> Back in the 70's, I laid out quite a few bucks to go see great fights
> on closed circuit pay per views.
> Hell, I even paid to see Foreman fight the 'Toronto Five' live. What a
> farce that was. (If you don't know what that fight was all about,
> don't waste your time Googling it, what an embarrassment to the
> sport.)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------
>
> Sport?? Boxing??? Take a look at Ali.
Boxing causes Parkinsons?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Quite possibly.
See also Dementia pugilistica.
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"I'm the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo ..."
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Jun 10, 9:22 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>
> >>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww
> >>> and
> >>> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans
> >>> are
> >>> keeping a low profile...
>
> >>> Bill
>
> >> You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood" in
> >> a thread about cherry furniture.
>
> > I failed to hide my lack of enthusiasm, did I? I hinted in two earlier
> > posts in this thread that (1) I can appreciate excellence in just about
> > any sport, I think (I'm not so sure about bull-fighting)
>
> Bullfighting is not a sport.
If there *is* a sport, it is bullfighting.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah, sure is Sporting. Just like Dog Fighting and Bull Baiting. And let's
not forget Fox Hunting. Bull fighting is about as sporting as a slaughter
house.
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"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:33:41 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> bunchaposters said:
>>>>> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying
>>>>> spectators.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do
>>>> they call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
>>>>
>>>
>>> Pole Dancing.
>>
>>Ahh.. I didn't realize it was ethnic.
>
> I'm sure glad I didn't have a mouthful of tea when I read that.
> Two points, fer sher.
Oh, Three!
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/11/2011 7:40 PM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>> Yeah, sure is Sporting. Just like Dog Fighting and Bull Baiting. And
>> let's not forget Fox Hunting. Bull fighting is about as sporting as a
>> slaughter house.
>
>
> I'll never forget the first (and only) _real_ bullfight I ever saw, in
> Nuevo Laredo, TX. The sheer magnificence of that animal when it entered
> the arena, only to be dragged out by its heels, lifeless, was, for me an
> extremely unsettling experience.
>
> It's hard put into words, but the machinations to reduce that animal
> physically to a level for the matador to be on more or less equal terms
> with it, were abominations. AMMOF and IMO, a culture that revels in that
> type of behavior is doomed, yet we embrace them in the guise of
> "diversity".
>
> This was despite being raised on a farm, where the killing of rabbits,
> chicken, ducks, feed lot calves, etc., for our own consumption was a
> weekly occurrence, and I, as on the only male sibling at the time, was the
> designated executioner.
>
> It's the eyes of the animals that finally got to me in this regard, even
> as a previous avid hunter ... as I've gotten older, extinguishing the
> 'light of life' in the eyes of a living creature is personally not
> something I continue regard as "sport".
>
> Don't get me wrong ... I'll take all the game meat you want to load me
> down with and use it well, but I'd simply rather not personally kill
> another living creature as long as I live.
>
> I've done more than my share, and I'm done with it ...
>
> YMMV ...
>
I've done my share of killing (not euthanizing) terminally ill pets and if
it is between starving and some other critter I know the outcome will be
favorable for me. But I sure as hell do not Play with anything I'm in the
process of killing. Get it done. Same with hunting or fishing. A walk in the
woods is a lot different than putting meat on the table and these days I
won't buy meat unless I know where it came from and how it was treated
beforehand. Unfortunately it's tough to get restaurants in line, but if
everybody understood how the pate' or veal got to their plate it might make
a difference.
In the Minoan culture bulls were fought, but the fighters went in the ring
naked without a bunch of guys on horseback to wear down the bull. The whole
idea was to grab the horns and use the head shake to leap over the bull and
live to tell about it. The bullfighting cultures claim this as ancestral to
their "sport", but any fool can clearly se the only resemblance is the
presence of a bull.
"Han" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> SBH wrote:
>>>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>>>>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great
>>>>> entertainment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lew
>>>>>
>>>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
>>>> chasing
>>>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww
>>> and being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports
>>> fans are keeping a low profile...
>>
>> Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
>> particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
>> dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
>> eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because
>> some other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a
>> chalk line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane,
>> disgusting, a waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
>>
>> Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
>> Jerry Springer.
>>
>> Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
>>
>> ;)
>>
>
> Let's go back to Roman times.
> Gladiators!
> Defend yourself with a toothpick against the tiger!
Woodworking, like other things yielding a product for
effort, gets a vote here. Yet, it's hard not to admire a startling
maneuver or stunning record effort. We all have recollections
of those. Because it was so different, I'd occasionally
catch a Sumo tournament. It's not simply a version
of "Japan's Biggest Unloser" with collisions. Go to
Youtube and look for Mainoumi ("The Human Hardware
Store of Techniques) jumping over a charging rival and
your eyes might perk. Google has a bit on him:
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=Mainoumi&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=3c571b42131dab45&biw=1049&bih=667
Where it comes to cities crying that they don't field a pro
sports team, as if that discredits them or makes them
walking dead...that's a tad unbalanced. Then the
cynical Roman phrase comes back, "Ad captandum vulgum,
panem et circenses." To rule the mob, bread and circuses.
But circuses are way cool, as long as they have ringmasters
and She Ra riding a bareback zebra.
Han, we can tag team that Tiger. It would
be cruel to see an animal go hungry.
Regards,
Edward Hennessey
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball
As close to zero as can be measured with current technology.
> or what team you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great
> entertainment.
I don't think that makes sense. If you just don't enjoy watching a
particular sport then no matter how good it is at the moment you're unlikely
to consider it great entertainment. I don't know why basketball leaves me
cold as I enjoy watching quite a few other sports, but if you gave me
tickets to an NBA game I'd pass them onto someone who would appreciate the
experience.
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 12:05:33 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jun 10, 1:34Â pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, willshak@
>> 00hvc.rr.com says...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > -MIKE- wrote the following:
>> > > On 6/9/11 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> > >> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
>> > >> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
>> > >> keeping a low profile...
>>
>> > >> Bill
>>
>> > > You say "sports" in a thread about the NBA like someone says, "wood"
>> > > in a thread about cherry furniture.
>>
>> > > I love baseball. Â Don't care for basketball, especially since LBJ left
>> > > Cleveland.... to stay on topic... I reeeeeeeally hope the Mavs win for
>> > > that very reason.
>>
>> > My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
>>
>> So a rock concert is "sports"?
>
>Do YOU think it's sports?
Sure. After a couple pills and a few joints, =all= the women there are
real sports, IIRC from so long ago.
--
The ultimate result of shielding men from the
effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 21:33:41 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
bunchaposters said:
>>>> My definition of sports is any activity that attracts paying spectators.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What about those women who climb up and down on those poles? What do
>>> they call that sport? Skiiing? ; )
>>>
>>
>> Pole Dancing.
>
>Ahh.. I didn't realize it was ethnic.
I'm sure glad I didn't have a mouthful of tea when I read that.
Two points, fer sher.
--
The ultimate result of shielding men from the
effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.
--Herbert Spencer
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:38:56 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Then, as a certified 'Petrol Head', I go check out the Top Fuelers at
>Grand Bend MotorPlex once a year or so. Something about the smell of
>burnt fuel and rubber and that unreal noise.......
Alcohol fuel + nitro methane + burnt rubber tires + noise you can FEEL
provide some mighty big grins. The sound of 1,500 horsepower
crackling, just trying to idle, is a wonderful sound you won't forget.
--
Never underestimate the innate animosity of inanimate objects.
--anon
On 6/8/2011 4:03 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team
>> you support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>
>> Lew
>>
>
> Hard to be entertained when you don't care.
What he said ...
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 6/9/2011 5:16 AM, Bill wrote:
> SBH wrote:
>> "Lew Hodgett"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Regardless of your interest in professional basketball or what team you
>>> support, if any, the current NBA finals are great entertainment.
>>>
>>> Lew
>>>
>> What's worse, the majority of players are about as educated as a dog
>> chasing
>> a car. Must be nice to be stupid and a millionaire at the same time.
>>
>>
>
>
> Wow, I wonder if there is a negative correlation between being a ww and
> being a sports fan. Either that or the dyed in the wood sports fans are
> keeping a low profile...
Speaking for myself only, this fixation on sports in our culture, and
particularly in our schools, has gotten completely out of hand. Two
dufi, incapable of figuring out that the brim of the cap goes over the
eyes, high fiving each other while emitting grunting sounds because some
other trained dufus is jerk dancing after carrying a ball over a chalk
line in front of 50,000 other dufi, is totally inane, disgusting, a
waste of time, a waste of money, and an abomination.
Come to think of it ... Max is right. I'd rather be forced to watch
Jerry Springer.
Give me a good honest "sport", like boxing. Yeah, that's the ticket!
;)
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)