Sketchup - again

On 6/23/2013 12:52 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/23/2013 11:41 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Got a problem. Consider this...
>>
>> 1. Make a cabinet case, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>>
>> 2. Make a face frame, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>>
>> 3. Make a door in the closed position, make it a component, make it on a
>> separate layer.
>>
>> 4. Make a door in the open position, make it a component, make it on a
>> separate layer.
>>
>> The case and face frame layers are always visible.
>>
>> Now, one *should* be able to toggle the door layers on and off (of
>> visibility) to show the cabinet interior with door open and to show the
>> cabinet with the door closed. Can't.
>>
>> With both door layers visible, both doors show as they should.
>>
>> Turn off both layers, neither door shows which is as it should be.
>>
>> Turn off the open layer and the closed door shows as it should.
>>
>> Turn off the closed layer (open layer set to visible) and NEITHER door
>> shows. However, there is one itsy bitsy line which info says belongs
>> to the
>> door open layer; clicking it expands the boundary lines for the open door
>> layer but there is nothing in it.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to solve it? I'd ask in a
>> Sketchup forum but I hate forums and am trying here first, all
>> suggestions
>> appreciated.
>>
>
>
> First thing that I would suspect is that something in the open door
> component group is on the layer that is turned off. You can sometimes
> mix parts in a component or group into two different layers.


+1

Exactly why, unless you thoroughly understand the way Layers work in SU,
drawings should only be done on Layer0

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On 6/23/2013 11:41 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Got a problem. Consider this...
>
> 1. Make a cabinet case, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.

A good practice with SketchUP is to always do your do your drawings on
Layer 0.

In Sketchup (a 3D modeling program and not a CAD program, per se),
Layers in SU, being a different paradigm than in most other CAD
programs, and are not really designed to be used in that manner.

Not that it can't be done, but you are basically asking for trouble with
underlying parts of your group and components being on different layers,
causing them not to show as you would expect.

Try exploding your component, triple clicking it to select all the
geometry, then assigning all the geometry in the group/component to the
desired Layer.

Alternately, do the same, making sure all the parts of the
group/component are assigned to Layer0, then highlight the component and
assign it to the desired Layer.

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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On 6/23/2013 11:41 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Got a problem. Consider this...
>
> 1. Make a cabinet case, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>
> 2. Make a face frame, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>
> 3. Make a door in the closed position, make it a component, make it on a
> separate layer.
>
> 4. Make a door in the open position, make it a component, make it on a
> separate layer.
>
> The case and face frame layers are always visible.
>
> Now, one *should* be able to toggle the door layers on and off (of
> visibility) to show the cabinet interior with door open and to show the
> cabinet with the door closed. Can't.
>
> With both door layers visible, both doors show as they should.
>
> Turn off both layers, neither door shows which is as it should be.
>
> Turn off the open layer and the closed door shows as it should.
>
> Turn off the closed layer (open layer set to visible) and NEITHER door
> shows. However, there is one itsy bitsy line which info says belongs to the
> door open layer; clicking it expands the boundary lines for the open door
> layer but there is nothing in it.
>
> Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to solve it? I'd ask in a
> Sketchup forum but I hate forums and am trying here first, all suggestions
> appreciated.
>


First thing that I would suspect is that something in the open door
component group is on the layer that is turned off. You can sometimes
mix parts in a component or group into two different layers.

Delete the open door and the layer it is in and redraw it, don't copy
it, and reassign a layer for it. If you copy it you will copy the mixed
layers again if that is the problem. See if that fixes the problem. Not
necessarily a solution but steps to isolate the problem

Your new open door can simply be a rectangle the same thickness for test
purposes.


On another note, if you use your rotate tool and put the center of axis
on the top hinge side of the door, you can open and close the door to
any given degree. If you leave it open and want to close the door
quickly, hit undo.

On 6/23/2013 11:41 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Got a problem. Consider this...
>
> 1. Make a cabinet case, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>
> 2. Make a face frame, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>
> 3. Make a door in the closed position, make it a component, make it on a
> separate layer.
>
> 4. Make a door in the open position, make it a component, make it on a
> separate layer.
>
> The case and face frame layers are always visible.
>
> Now, one *should* be able to toggle the door layers on and off (of
> visibility) to show the cabinet interior with door open and to show the
> cabinet with the door closed. Can't.
>
> With both door layers visible, both doors show as they should.
>
> Turn off both layers, neither door shows which is as it should be.
>
> Turn off the open layer and the closed door shows as it should.
>
> Turn off the closed layer (open layer set to visible) and NEITHER door
> shows. However, there is one itsy bitsy line which info says belongs to the
> door open layer; clicking it expands the boundary lines for the open door
> layer but there is nothing in it.
>
> Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to solve it? I'd ask in a
> Sketchup forum but I hate forums and am trying here first, all suggestions
> appreciated.
>

Adding a bit more, you have your clue as to what is wrong.

Repeating what you wrote,

Turn off the closed layer (open layer set to visible) and NEITHER door
> shows. However, there is one itsy bitsy line which info says belongs
to the
> door open layer; clicking it expands the boundary lines for the open door
> layer but there is nothing in it



The itsy bitsy line is actually the only thing in the component that is
on the correct layer. Because it is part of a component you see the
boundary lines.

You probably need to explode the component, select everything and
reassign the layer. If you have components inside the whole door
component you will probably have to edit them separately too.

Leon wrote:
> On 6/23/2013 11:41 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> Got a problem. Consider this...
>>
>> 1. Make a cabinet case, make it a component, make it on a separate
>> layer. 2. Make a face frame, make it a component, make it on a separate
>> layer. 3. Make a door in the closed position, make it a component, make
>> it on a separate layer.
>>
>> 4. Make a door in the open position, make it a component, make it
>> on a separate layer.
>>
>> The case and face frame layers are always visible.
>>
>> Now, one *should* be able to toggle the door layers on and off (of
>> visibility) to show the cabinet interior with door open and to
>> show the cabinet with the door closed. Can't.
>>
>> With both door layers visible, both doors show as they should.
>>
>> Turn off both layers, neither door shows which is as it should be.
>>
>> Turn off the open layer and the closed door shows as it should.
>>
>> Turn off the closed layer (open layer set to visible) and NEITHER
>> door shows. However, there is one itsy bitsy line which info says
>> belongs to the door open layer; clicking it expands the boundary
>> lines for the open door layer but there is nothing in it.
>>
>> Anyone have any idea what is going on and how to solve it? I'd
>> ask in a Sketchup forum but I hate forums and am trying here
>> first, all suggestions appreciated.
>>
>
> Adding a bit more, you have your clue as to what is wrong.
>
> Repeating what you wrote,
>
> Turn off the closed layer (open layer set to visible) and NEITHER
> door
>> shows. However, there is one itsy bitsy line which info says
>> belongs
> to the
>> door open layer; clicking it expands the boundary lines for the
>> open door layer but there is nothing in it
>
>
>
> The itsy bitsy line is actually the only thing in the component
> that is on the correct layer. Because it is part of a component
> you see the boundary lines.
>
> You probably need to explode the component, select everything and
> reassign the layer. If you have components inside the whole door
> component you will probably have to edit them separately too.

Thanks Leon, I think you are probably right. The confusing thing is/was
that checking the properties for the component says that it is on the layer
where it should be. Leaving on a trip in a day or so,may check it while
away, if not when I get back.

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In article <[email protected]>, dadiOH <[email protected]> wrote:
>Got a problem. Consider this...
>
>1. Make a cabinet case, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>
>2. Make a face frame, make it a component, make it on a separate layer.
>
>3. Make a door in the closed position, make it a component, make it on a
>separate layer.
>
>4. Make a door in the open position, make it a component, make it on a
>separate layer.

I've done exactly that. See http://www.instructables.com/id/Pantry-Cabinet/;
there's a Sketchup file you can download.

Your problem is probably that the sub-components of your door components
are probably in layers of their own.

This sort of thing bites me all the time -- I'll have layer "roof"
selected instead of "layer0" when I'm building a door. When I finish,
I make the door into a component and put it into layer "door" -- not
realizing that the individual parts of the door are in a different
layer.

Later, I make 'roof' invisible so I can see into my room from above, and
my doors are missing and I don't know why.

My only useful suggestion here is to open up your door components, select
everything, and change it all to "layer0". If your door has sub-components,
open those up too and repeat the process.

I wish Sketchup had "recursive" functions that let you make everything
in the current selection visible or put into the same layer.

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Edward A. Falk wrote:

> I wish Sketchup had "recursive" functions that let you make
> everything
> in the current selection visible or put into the same layer.

As long as we are wishing, I wish it had sub-layers...

Cabinet
Face frame
rails
stiles
Door
etc.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>+1
>
>Exactly why, unless you thoroughly understand the way Layers work in SU,
>drawings should only be done on Layer0

Typically, I try to do everything in Layer0, then at the very end, move
top-level items into their final layers.

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