used motor oil becomes toxic waste

FWIW -
Ran into the same problem a couple of years ago, when we got the new grill.
[the old one was about 10+ years old and *really* tired]. I had a couple of
cylinders that were in great condition {because I kept them cleaned &
repainted}, but couldn't use them.

One I 'swapped with for a 'Blue Rhino' at a local Lowe's because they had a
'sale' where it was less than having a 'tank' filled locally. [THAT gave me
TWO cylinders] Recently I 'exchanged' the other 'old style' one at a local
HD . . . NO 'extra charge' . . . just the regular cost of an
'empty-for-full' tank swap.

Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
{PS - when I bought the 'new' grill I originally got a 'converter' - $5.oo
in a 'blister pac' . . . never used it and still have it around somewhere, I
think}

"Neil Williams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8BCUa.27277$Ne.4049@fed1read03...
> "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:05:30 -0700, MSH wrote:
> >
> > > Call your local propane supplier. They are more than happy to help you
> > > convert.
> >
> > BTDT, and they didn't seem interested as the conversion to natural gas
> > would end my propane usage. OTOH, Southwest Gas said they would do the
> > conversion for free if I could find the conversion kit. That's the
tough
> > part, but I'm going to try another poster's suggestion of going to an
HVAC
> > contractor.
>
> There was a lot of noise about this a few years back when the conversion
> happened. I think the newer containers are identified by a triangular
> shaped valve handle. Anyway, the Borg was offering a swap for $5
> or something like that at the time. You might want to check with them
> to see if they still do. I think that "blue rhino" tank-swap deal they
> do out front will also take your old tank, but of course you can't
> escape some kind of fee.
>
> --Neil
>
>

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:05:30 -0700, MSH wrote:

> Call your local propane supplier. They are more than happy to help you
> convert.

BTDT, and they didn't seem interested as the conversion to natural gas
would end my propane usage. OTOH, Southwest Gas said they would do the
conversion for free if I could find the conversion kit. That's the tough
part, but I'm going to try another poster's suggestion of going to an HVAC
contractor.

-Doug

Did they have a trash can out front? I woud have dumped the fucker in
there.


Gary

Wed, Jul 23, 2003, 8:19pm (EDT-3) [email protected]
(The=A0old=A0Millrat) says:
This morning I had to go to the local auto parts store and decided to
take along a 5 gallon can containing about 2 gallons of used motor oil
<snip>

No prob. Just keep it, and use it on various projects. I would
strain it first tho. I'm looking for a 35-55 gal barrel, with a spout,
myself. Then strain it as it's poured in. Paint it on bare metal, to
keep it from rusting, if nothing else.
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The old Millrat wrote:

> I asked if I bought an approved container and poured my oil into it,
> would I then be allowed to pour this same oil into the recycle barrel?
> Yes, of course.
>
> Just when I thought the laws in HaHafornia couldn't get any stupider.

If you read the California laws concerning used oil recycling you'll find:

1. If an outlet sells oil they have to accept the old oil.
2. The container only has to be clean.
3. The oil must be free of contaminates other than those considered
normal.
4. If you return the oil to a state "approved" oil recycling center, if
requested,
they have to pay you for the used oil at the state mandated rate.

See:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=california+oil+recycling+laws

If you wanted to pursue the issue it looks like you could have the store's
hand slapped by the state for violations.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Kicker is, they just "upgraded" the lp containers about ten years ago. This
is great for the LP people.

MH
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Just got a similar routine with my LP BBQ cylinders here in AZ. Went to
> get the sucker refilled, and was informed that I would have to trade it
> along with $20 for a new and improved version so that the LP supplier guys
> wouldn't overfill it. I wonder how they managed to refill it for the last
> 10 years without this improvement?
>
> -Doug

Call your local propane supplier. They are more than happy to help you
convert.

MH
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:21:04 -0100, William E. Prisavage wrote:
>
> > Check with a local HVAC dealer.We used to do conversions all the time.
>
> Thanks, will do. Are they the same as used in NG furnaces, water heaters,
> etc?
>
> -Doug

>
> Call the city to find out who will take used oil. I use an empty
> plastic milk jug and there are four stations in my small town who take
> the oil. I patronize these stations and buy gasoline there, yet they
> sell the used oil to be recycled and refined. That counter guy you
> encountered is an idiot.

Or put your zip code in the recycle search link at this address:
http://home.comcast.net/~weeksreavley/energy/search.html
and click on the used motor oil recycling link

"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message:

> Here in Tennessee we pay a special tax on each quart of oil sold,
> specifically for the recycling. What they should do is reimburse
> customers to return the oil, but instead some people pour it into the
> street or creek. California is very conservative when it comes to
> environment issues, and that's really a good thing.

Kinda like the old deposit on Coke bottles? Not a bad idea.

Jums

I'd have dropped (placed) the entire container on his counter, smiled and
wished him good day...

Rob


"The old Millrat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This morning I had to go to the local auto parts store and decided to
> take along a 5 gallon can containing about 2 gallons of used motor oil
> to pour into the recycle barrel. My can originally contained new motor
> oil. The counter guy absolutely refused to allow me to pour my used
> motor oil in with the other used motor oil. The reason? My container
> is not an approved toxic waste container. But they do have the
> approved containers for sale!
>
> I asked if I bought an approved container and poured my oil into it,
> would I then be allowed to pour this same oil into the recycle barrel?
> Yes, of course.
>
> Just when I thought the laws in HaHafornia couldn't get any stupider.

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:21:04 -0100, William E. Prisavage wrote:

> Check with a local HVAC dealer.We used to do conversions all the time.

Thanks, will do. Are they the same as used in NG furnaces, water heaters,
etc?

-Doug

"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:05:30 -0700, MSH wrote:
>
> > Call your local propane supplier. They are more than happy to help you
> > convert.
>
> BTDT, and they didn't seem interested as the conversion to natural gas
> would end my propane usage. OTOH, Southwest Gas said they would do the
> conversion for free if I could find the conversion kit. That's the tough
> part, but I'm going to try another poster's suggestion of going to an HVAC
> contractor.

There was a lot of noise about this a few years back when the conversion
happened. I think the newer containers are identified by a triangular
shaped valve handle. Anyway, the Borg was offering a swap for $5
or something like that at the time. You might want to check with them
to see if they still do. I think that "blue rhino" tank-swap deal they
do out front will also take your old tank, but of course you can't
escape some kind of fee.

--Neil

> > Just got a similar routine with my LP BBQ cylinders here in AZ. Went
> > to get the sucker refilled, and was informed that I would have to
> > trade it along with $20 for a new and improved version so that the LP
> > supplier guys wouldn't overfill it.
This provoked me to pipe my grill to my house-wide LP gas system. Works
fine.

I bet those guys don't 'overfill' my 300 gallon tank once a year...

--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont
[email protected]
The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?

> I do have a NG outlet at the Barbie, but I really don't want to spend a
> minimum of $500 for a new NG BBQ, and the conversion routines for LP to NG
> I have looked at on the web indicate the drilling out of the orifices is a
> one way operation.

The orfices on mine are screw-in brass type; they could'nt be too
expensive as a replacement part...

--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont
[email protected]
The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?

George wrote:

>I am SO glad to be out of that state! Don't forget such other goodies as
>smog inspecting new cars every other year while 1971 smog-belchers are
>exempt! (BTW-This law is also referred to as the "auto mechanics full
>employment act".)
>
>
>==========================================================
>
At least here in Mary-Land...1978 and older cars are exempt... ..
BUT seriously I collect (and drive) older cars... The total "garbage"
I put in the air driving any of them is a hell of a lot less then the
amount of garbage my lawn tractor spits out in any given year...with the
wet spring and the number of times I have had to cut the grass this year
my lawn tractor is going to really add some pollutants to the air...(at
least I can hope the wind is blowing to the South East....towards
Washington DC ( Congress). not wishing any ill effects on the residents
of that city who do not even have any voting rights in congress.
.
Back to the oil....
My dad used to dump his old oil along the foundation to our house.. and
then poured a little inside the car doors etc...(he never had a rocker
panel rust out so do not laugh...)... Well things have progressed in the
last 50 or so years and that solution has not been available (legally)
for years

AND
I change the oil in my old cars every 500 miles, filters every 1000
miles ...but not less then twice a year if the cars do not get driven
500 miles... for years I dumped the oil at our local gas station ..today
I drive 30 miles to a certified disposal facility because no service
station wants to deal with the EPA regulations... not really that
much of a problem... and I still do not have a termite problem and
today's cars have much better rust protection

Bob Griffiths

Bob G. spaketh...

> I change the oil in my old cars every 500 miles, filters every 1000
> miles ...but not less then twice a year if the cars do not get driven
> 500 miles... for years I dumped the oil at our local gas station ..today
> I drive 30 miles to a certified disposal facility

retired?
--
McQualude

Phisherman spaketh...

> Call the city to find out who will take used oil. I use an empty
> plastic milk jug and there are four stations in my small town who take
> the oil. I patronize these stations and buy gasoline there, yet they
> sell the used oil to be recycled and refined. That counter guy you
> encountered is an idiot.

The truth is that it's probably the company he works for that made the
stupid rule and the unfortunate truth is that stupid rules are made to
protect themselves from stupid people who would otherwise try to take
advantage.

Now I don't see any reason for it, but stupid or not, someone had a reason,
or maybe not, what do I know.

--
McQualude

Check with a local HVAC dealer.We used to do conversions all the time.
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:57:37 -0400, Terry King wrote:
>
> >> I do have a NG outlet at the Barbie, but I really don't want to spend a
> >> minimum of $500 for a new NG BBQ, and the conversion routines for LP to
> >> NG I have looked at on the web indicate the drilling out of the
orifices
> >> is a one way operation.
> >
> > The orfices on mine are screw-in brass type; they could'nt be too
> > expensive as a replacement part...
>
> Mine too, but I'll be damned if I can find anyplace to buy them. They
> aren't listed in the available parts on the BBQ makers web site.
>
> -Doug
>

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:23:03 -0400, Terry King wrote:

>> > Just got a similar routine with my LP BBQ cylinders here in AZ. Went
>> > to get the sucker refilled, and was informed that I would have to
>> > trade it along with $20 for a new and improved version so that the LP
>> > supplier guys wouldn't overfill it.
> This provoked me to pipe my grill to my house-wide LP gas system. Works
> fine.
>
> I bet those guys don't 'overfill' my 300 gallon tank once a year...

I do have a NG outlet at the Barbie, but I really don't want to spend a
minimum of $500 for a new NG BBQ, and the conversion routines for LP to NG
I have looked at on the web indicate the drilling out of the orifices is a
one way operation. One of these days when I have the spare $500 as a
backup, I'll try the conversion routine.

-Doug

Friends of mine work and live in a large community house where they help
troubled teens. They have an old oil-fired furnace and enough people
(including small industry types) willing to give them used oil that they
never pay to heat the place.

--
"Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil spirit,"
Reverend Jim Peasboro

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:57:37 -0400, Terry King wrote:

>> I do have a NG outlet at the Barbie, but I really don't want to spend a
>> minimum of $500 for a new NG BBQ, and the conversion routines for LP to
>> NG I have looked at on the web indicate the drilling out of the orifices
>> is a one way operation.
>
> The orfices on mine are screw-in brass type; they could'nt be too
> expensive as a replacement part...

Mine too, but I'll be damned if I can find anyplace to buy them. They
aren't listed in the available parts on the BBQ makers web site.

-Doug

On 25 Jul 2003 06:31:20 -0700, [email protected] (Chris)
wrote:

>They may not realize it but what they are doing is a SERIOUS violation
>not to mention incredibly inconsiderate and damaging to our
>environment. Have you ever seen how far one drop of oil can spread
>over the water surface?

I know.

The labeled drains would help drive home WHY dumping stuff down the
storm drain is illegal. I've been getting Scout troops involved in
labeling drains as an environmental project.

Barry

On 23 Jul 2003 20:19:44 -0700, [email protected] (The old
Millrat) wrote:

> My container
>is not an approved toxic waste container. But they do have the
>approved containers for sale!

The container(s) the new oil came in is usually an approved container.

Here in CT, many places won't accept used oil if they think the oil or
the container it's in are contaminated with other chemicals.

Barry

Here in Tennessee we pay a special tax on each quart of oil sold,
specifically for the recycling. What they should do is reimburse
customers to return the oil, but instead some people pour it into the
street or creek. California is very conservative when it comes to
environment issues, and that's really a good thing.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:11:32 GMT, Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote:

>. California is very conservative when it comes to
>environment issues, and that's really a good thing.

One of the great ideas I've seen in CA are storm drains labeled with a
destination for the run-off. The drain itself is labeled "Monterey
Bay", etc... right on the curb over the drain.

I have neighbors that insist on draining lawn mower oil, gasoline,
etc... right into the storm sewer! Our drains are less than 1/2
mile from the CT river.

Labelling the drain eliminates the "it just goes away" mentality.


Barry

B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:

> The labeled drains would help drive home WHY dumping stuff down the
> storm drain is illegal. I've been getting Scout troops involved in
> labeling drains as an environmental project.

It's not a bad idea at all. How are you labelling them?

--
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Reminds me of how many times I said, when in the service "there's no good
reason for it, it's just a regulation...."

Someone's career was made on writing in that "approved container" language,
you can bet. I know that the number of septic sucker places around here
went way down when they had to get their trucks licensed as toxic waste
haulers.

"The old Millrat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This morning I had to go to the local auto parts store and decided to
> take along a 5 gallon can containing about 2 gallons of used motor oil
> to pour into the recycle barrel. My can originally contained new motor
> oil. The counter guy absolutely refused to allow me to pour my used
> motor oil in with the other used motor oil. The reason? My container
> is not an approved toxic waste container. But they do have the
> approved containers for sale!
>
> I asked if I bought an approved container and poured my oil into it,
> would I then be allowed to pour this same oil into the recycle barrel?
> Yes, of course.
>
> Just when I thought the laws in HaHafornia couldn't get any stupider.

On 23 Jul 2003 20:19:44 -0700, [email protected] (The old
Millrat) wrote:

>This morning I had to go to the local auto parts store and decided to
>take along a 5 gallon can containing about 2 gallons of used motor oil
>to pour into the recycle barrel. My can originally contained new motor
>oil. The counter guy absolutely refused to allow me to pour my used
>motor oil in with the other used motor oil. The reason? My container
>is not an approved toxic waste container. But they do have the
>approved containers for sale!
>
>I asked if I bought an approved container and poured my oil into it,
>would I then be allowed to pour this same oil into the recycle barrel?
> Yes, of course.
>
>Just when I thought the laws in HaHafornia couldn't get any stupider.


Call the city to find out who will take used oil. I use an empty
plastic milk jug and there are four stations in my small town who take
the oil. I patronize these stations and buy gasoline there, yet they
sell the used oil to be recycled and refined. That counter guy you
encountered is an idiot.

I am SO glad to be out of that state! Don't forget such other goodies as
smog inspecting new cars every other year while 1971 smog-belchers are
exempt! (BTW-This law is also referred to as the "auto mechanics full
employment act".)

Another gem: I lived in San Jose and the local newspaper, the San Jose
Mercury News, reported on the water cleanliness laws there regarding what is
allowable to dump down the drain of your sink (sounds like strict laws would
be a GOOD thing, right?). Turns out that the DRINKING WATER coming OUT of
your faucet DOESN'T meet the cleanliness requirements to go DOWN your sink
drain. So, technically you are breaking the law every time you turn on the
faucet and allow any water down the drain.

Oh yes, also, in the workplace if you remove a Band-Aid from your finger
make sure you don't throw it in the wastebasket. That is "biohazardous
waste" and must go in an approved and appropriately marked container and
disposed of "properly".

"The old Millrat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<<<SNIP>>>

> I asked if I bought an approved container and poured my oil into it,
> would I then be allowed to pour this same oil into the recycle barrel?
> Yes, of course.
>
> Just when I thought the laws in HaHafornia couldn't get any stupider.