I thought it was gimmicky at first. Bought it anyway.
I'm forever reaching under countertops screwing upwards, always in
fear of popping one through (when laminate).
The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
Good warranty too.
(Second Bosch tool I have bought recently which makes me wonder if
they're on their way back? Or did I leave?)
http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=69859
I'll come back to this in a couple of years.. or when I break it.
r
...
> The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
...
> http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=6...
Interesting - thanks for the mini-review. I was sort of eyeing one of
those (or the pistol-shaped one) but couldn't justify the cost,
especially since I don't install countertops and I just got a new 12V
Panasonic. But I did just see that they're coming with a 10.8V impact
driver (PS40) in the same series - and a few early reviews seem very
positive.
http://toolmonger.com/2007/03/27/hands-on-boschs-108v-litheon-impactor/
That might be easier to rationalize if I start a project that
requires a lot of screwing...
Andy
On Apr 19, 6:45 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I thought it was gimmicky at first. Bought it anyway.
> I'm forever reaching under countertops screwing upwards, always in
> fear of popping one through (when laminate).
> The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
> Good warranty too.
> (Second Bosch tool I have bought recently which makes me wonder if
> they're on their way back? Or did I leave?)
>
> http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=6...
>
> I'll come back to this in a couple of years.. or when I break it.
>
> r
I used one of the Pocket Drivers a while back. That's about the same
but pistol shaped. I was completely blown away by the performance --
esp the torque. Definitely not cheap, but if you need a lot of
capcacity in a tiny innocent looking form factor it's a bargain.
hex
-30-
On Apr 20, 8:27 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I thought it was gimmicky at first. Bought it anyway.
> > I'm forever reaching under countertops screwing upwards, always in
> > fear of popping one through (when laminate).
> > The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> > head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
> > Good warranty too.
> > (Second Bosch tool I have bought recently which makes me wonder if
> > they're on their way back? Or did I leave?)
>
> >http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=6...
>
> > I'll come back to this in a couple of years.. or when I break it.
>
> > r
>
> How much are those drills?
About $ 150 in your money. Not cheap. But it is not a cheap piece.
> I have a Makita 7.2 volt right angle drill that
> I have ad since 1983 and the original battery finally quit taking a charge
> recently. I seldom use the drill because it has little of today's features
> other than being battery operated. Not keyless, Not VS, No Clutch, Not real
> strong. I have been reluctant to spend $40 for a new battery or rebuilt as
> right angle attachments cost about as much and work with any drill.
That was my rationale behind this purchase. My Milwaukee 14.4, which
has done most of its duty a screwdriver, needs 2 batteries. Relatively
speaking, the thing is heavy, big and awkward. (For a screw driver
that is).
I have an 14.4 impact driver, somewhat lighter, still bulky. The
clincher was the other day, one of my guys was screwing down a top,
and I could have been doing the same thing at the same time. I despise
standing around.
We also couldn't get past some internal structural wood to attach the
counter top. I brought out my Milwaukee angle drill, but the chuck
isn't key-less, it is corded, and has NO 'control' over the amount of
twist you can give a screw... a lethal situation as this was a custom
laminate top and the Milwaukee angle drill has all the balls needed to
sink a screw in (through a cup-washer even) and have it pop out the
top of the laminate-----> not a good thing.
> Did you ever used a right angle drill attachment before getting this drill?
Yes. I have one of those Milwaukee attachments and love it. But, it is
for those rare occasions when you need to get out of a tight spot.
This Bosch is going to earn its keep as a dedicated screwdriver, and I
will likely buy another.
>
> Maybe if I get one of these and because the Li-ion batteries are suppose to
> last at least twice at long it will be good for 46 years instead of the 23 I
> gout out of the Makita. ;~)
That Milwaukee 14.4 is going into year 7..and I worked that hard. 2
new batteries are the same money as the bulk of the Bosch, and the
Milwaukee would still be what it is.. a bulky old generation cordless.
I also haven't had the time to see if the guts are still up to another
set of batteries.
Just no time. There's a lot happening on the expansion front... all
good. Today I'm getting a quote on getting 3-phase 220 in the new
building and I'm getting a used forklift checked out by a mechanic
before I buy it.
If all lease-agreements work out, I will have room for a ShopBot.
(Keeping as eye on the forum for a used one. Morris and Rick are
already going: "Oh jeeeeezzz here come the questions"...)
On Apr 20, 12:50 am, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>
> > The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> > head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
> ...
> >http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=6...
>
> Interesting - thanks for the mini-review. I was sort of eyeing one of
> those (or the pistol-shaped one) but couldn't justify the cost,
> especially since I don't install countertops and I just got a new 12V
> Panasonic. But I did just see that they're coming with a 10.8V impact
> driver (PS40) in the same series - and a few early reviews seem very
> positive.http://toolmonger.com/2007/03/27/hands-on-boschs-108v-litheon-impactor/
> That might be easier to rationalize if I start a project that
> requires a lot of screwing...
That looks like a good all around tool too. This thing I bought is
solving a very specific problem for me.
Most other angle drills are at 90-degrees. This head swivels in
locking increment...ideal. for me.
Now... if it only had a nice bright LED on the nose....
On Apr 20, 9:04 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Apr 19, 6:45 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> \
>
> > I used one of the Pocket Drivers a while back. That's about the same
> > but pistol shaped. I was completely blown away by the performance --
> > esp the torque. Definitely not cheap, but if you need a lot of
> > capcacity in a tiny innocent looking form factor it's a bargain.
>
> > hex
> > -30-
>
> I am curious why you were impressed by the torque. I wonder if the torque
> seems more because of its compact size and you have less leverage holding it
> to counter act the torque.
Excuse me while I butt in.. but with the I-Drive I bought, there's
tons of leverage. Way more than an ordinary drill.
The little pistol-thingy would be just perfect for hanging cabinets
when 100 in/lbs of torque is more than adequate for screwing low-roots
through PB... or sideways through face-frames, which you'd pre-drill
anyway.
None of these drivers are power-houses, but we all already have those
in other (corded) incarnations.
> Looking at the specs at the Bosch site, the torque is listed at 100 inch
> pounds. The 14 volt drill/drivers state 300 inch pounds. While the 14 volt
> drill has 40% more voltage, and equal comparison would have the smaller
> driver closer to a 210 inch pounds.
The point of these things, is that you can keep one in your tool belt,
or pocket. Those things bridge a gap between big guns and manual screw
drivers.
>
> Not doubting your observation just wondering.
back to our regular scheduled programming...
On Apr 20, 8:04 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On Apr 19, 6:45 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> \
>
> > I used one of the Pocket Drivers a while back. That's about the same
> > but pistol shaped. I was completely blown away by the performance --
> > esp the torque. Definitely not cheap, but if you need a lot of
> > capcacity in a tiny innocent looking form factor it's a bargain.
>
> > hex
> > -30-
>
> I am curious why you were impressed by the torque. I wonder if the torque
> seems more because of its compact size and you have less leverage holding it
> to counter act the torque.
> Looking at the specs at the Bosch site, the torque is listed at 100 inch
> pounds. The 14 volt drill/drivers state 300 inch pounds. While the 14 volt
> drill has 40% more voltage, and equal comparison would have the smaller
> driver closer to a 210 inch pounds.
>
> Not doubting your observation just wondering.
Likely true, it's not going to break your wrist. My impression is
probably related to the fact that I was wedged into a tight space
where my 18V behemoth could never go and it was infinitely better than
trying to twist a stubby screwdriver 1/8th turn at a time. Still
think it's a great little tool -- small enough to carry in the trunk
or under the truck seat without a second thought, strong enough to be
useful.
On Apr 20, 9:18 am, hex <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 8:04 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > On Apr 19, 6:45 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> > \
>
> > > I used one of the Pocket Drivers a while back. That's about the same
> > > but pistol shaped. I was completely blown away by the performance --
> > > esp the torque. Definitely not cheap, but if you need a lot of
> > > capcacity in a tiny innocent looking form factor it's a bargain.
>
> > > hex
> > > -30-
>
> > I am curious why you were impressed by the torque. I wonder if the torque
> > seems more because of its compact size and you have less leverage holding it
> > to counter act the torque.
> > Looking at the specs at the Bosch site, the torque is listed at 100 inch
> > pounds. The 14 volt drill/drivers state 300 inch pounds. While the 14 volt
> > drill has 40% more voltage, and equal comparison would have the smaller
> > driver closer to a 210 inch pounds.
>
> > Not doubting your observation just wondering.
>
> Likely true, it's not going to break your wrist. My impression is
> probably related to the fact that I was wedged into a tight space
> where my 18V behemoth could never go and it was infinitely better than
> trying to twist a stubby screwdriver 1/8th turn at a time. Still
> think it's a great little tool -- small enough to carry in the trunk
> or under the truck seat without a second thought, strong enough to be
> useful.
This I-Drive sank a 3" deck screw into a regular 2x4 without a hiccup
and stalled when the screw head went below flush. It's a scewdriver,
not a Magnum HoleShooter.
On Apr 20, 9:32 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > Likely true, it's not going to break your wrist. My impression is
> > probably related to the fact that I was wedged into a tight space
> > where my 18V behemoth could never go and it was infinitely better than
> > trying to twist a stubby screwdriver 1/8th turn at a time. Still
> > think it's a great little tool -- small enough to carry in the trunk
> > or under the truck seat without a second thought, strong enough to be
> > useful.
>
> Ok, I am with you. 100 inch pounds beats the heck out of the human wrist.
> I can relate to screwing in tight spots. Hummmm.. Lets stay on track.
In college, I drove a Mini Cooper for a couple of years...say no
more...
On Apr 20, 10:20 am, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote in message
>
> > If all lease-agreements work out, I will have room for a ShopBot.
>
> Robatoy with a Shopbot? That is a scary thought.
I'm hoping the 'Bot will turn my solid surface scraps into accessories
as well as do sink-cutouts and cooktop cutouts (the sources of scrap)
I won't need a big one.. a 48 x 48 will do, I think... with just a
router. I don't have the money to do things big, like Rootes vacuums
and silly stuff like that... The business model has to prove itself as
its own profit centre. Worse case, I'll end up with a pretty cool
toyH^H^H^H^tool.
>
> With your mad CAD skills and a compliant robotic slave, you will soon be
> master of your little kingdom!
*Diabolical laughter*.. yes!! Then I will spend all my money opening a
soft-cloth-all-hands-only carwash... just to be the dream employer for
the local college girls..especially in summer...*wrings hands and
drools cueing Jethro Tull's Aqualung*
>
> Congrats on the expansion. You apparently have no idea on how to retire.
Thank you.
I don't. No idea what it's like to do nothing. On my last trip to
Punta Cana DR, I spent quite a bit of time checking out the
construction site of a new resort next to the one where we were
staying. The construction-super spoke English and answered a lot of
my questions. Fascinating. I had never seen so much granite going
into 20 buildings, let alone just one. My wife lifted her head off the
massage table just long enough to shake it [her head].
On Apr 19, 7:45 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I thought it was gimmicky at first. Bought it anyway.
> I'm forever reaching under countertops screwing upwards, always in
> fear of popping one through (when laminate).
> The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
> Good warranty too.
> (Second Bosch tool I have bought recently which makes me wonder if
> they're on their way back? Or did I leave?)
>
> http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=6...
>
> I'll come back to this in a couple of years.. or when I break it.
>
> r
Robatoy,
Its quite comforting to learn others face the same problems. I'm
always apprehensive when it finally comes time to screw down a
laminate top onto a run of base cabinets. Run just one screw through
the laminate and you've created a disagreable situation. The Bosch
angle drill you selected seems to be comfortable tool for the job.
Before that was available I replaced a DeWalt 12v drill driver with a
Makita 18v Li-ion drill driver. The weight of the 18v Makita was less
than the 12v DW. It did have the LED for those upside down on your
back dark carcases. You have to remmember to adjust the clutch way
down since its got an abundance of torque (450 in-lbs)
<www.makita.com/menu.php?=product_det&tag=BDF452HW>
Joe G
On Apr 20, 1:20 pm, GROVER <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Robatoy,
> Its quite comforting to learn others face the same problems. I'm
> always apprehensive when it finally comes time to screw down a
> laminate top onto a run of base cabinets. Run just one screw through
> the laminate and you've created a disagreable situation.
"you've created a disagreable situation. " thanks for the hearty
laugh...LOL...
What I do now, when/where I can, I drill 1/8" pilot holes into the
cross bracing and stick in the needed screws, pointing upward, ready
for me to screw into place. That stops a lot of fumbling and it also
stops the one thing that can ruin your day..and that is to blindly
grab a longer screw.
The only time I have ever popped one through (out of literally
hundreds of tops), was when an 1-1/2 " screw had found it way into my
1-1/4" container.
It happened to be inside an appliance garage and the home-owner was
very understanding and let me off the hook.
Standing upright, will all kinds of light, helps prevent stuff like
that. I now use PB screws with a washer built in.
r----> who thinks "you've created a disagreable situation. " is funny.
On Apr 20, 1:37 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Apr 20, 1:20 pm, GROVER <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Robatoy,
> > Its quite comforting to learn others face the same problems. I'm
> > always apprehensive when it finally comes time to screw down a
> > laminate top onto a run of base cabinets. Run just one screw through
> > the laminate and you've created a disagreable situation.
>
> "you've created a disagreable situation. " thanks for the hearty
> laugh...LOL...
>
> What I do now, when/where I can, I drill 1/8" pilot holes into the
> cross bracing and stick in the needed screws, pointing upward, ready
> for me to screw into place. That stops a lot of fumbling and it also
> stops the one thing that can ruin your day..and that is to blindly
> grab a longer screw.
> The only time I have ever popped one through (out of literally
> hundreds of tops), was when an 1-1/2 " screw had found it way into my
> 1-1/4" container.
> It happened to be inside an appliance garage and the home-owner was
> very understanding and let me off the hook.
>
> Standing upright, will all kinds of light, helps prevent stuff like
> that. I now use PB screws with a washer built in.
>
> r----> who thinks "you've created a disagreable situation. " is funny.
Robatoy,
In the film," Bridge on the River Quai," the Brittish commando (Played
by Jack Hawkins) tells the character played by William Holden that "
there's always the unexpected." This is the case when the 1 1/2"
screw sneakily finds its way into the 1 1/4" container. Its happened
to me as well.
Joe G
On Apr 20, 5:58 pm, "Rick M"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> > If all lease-agreements work out, I will have room for a ShopBot.
> > (Keeping as eye on the forum for a used one. Morris and Rick are
> > already going: "Oh jeeeeezzz here come the questions"...)
>
> I can't speak for Morris, but I'm certainly willing to answer your
> questions. Ask away.
I have seen the kind of community support ShopBot owners lend to each
other. Quite fascinating.
I would want original software on a stand-alone computer. I'm not even
the slightest bit interested in hacking and code-crunching. I'd love
to be able to spend the time at some point, but it really has to
fulfil its 'work' duty first/as soon as possible. I have to find a way
to transfer the templates, which come with different sinks, into an
accurate toolpath. I'm making a hole to fit an exsisting sink. for
undermounting. Tolerances are =B1 1 mm, maybe even a bit sloppier. The
curves are complex ie: http://www.topworks.ca/eclipse.html (click on
'double sinks'). By complex, I mean, no mathematical roots that I am
aware of other than the obviously round ones and maybe some corner
radii on some rectangular stuff..
A fellow nearby ( 100km), will digitize the odd one for me, and I'll
be able to go from DXF to BotTalk<G>.
I also have access to a massive scanner, assuming I have a paper
template. I can do an auto-trace and go to DXF from there..in house.
The other choice would be to do some kind of stylus
thing....investigating now, and I could use a nudge if you have one.
>
[snipped and saved useful info]
>
> The best one though ... since my bot cuts with an accuracy of about .001"
I'd be happy with .05. Seriously...in the role as a money maker in my
trade.
>
> BTW ... you're going to need a dust collector. Not some fancy, smancy
> festy-tool vacuum cleaner ... a real, honest tornado in a box.
<g>..got the festy- and feiny-pants stuff already and a 2HP cannister
blower which, with my probe draws 7 amps at 220 volt and it is turning
a lot of energy into 'suck' I am satisfied that it will do its job
with the 'Bot.
I had wanted to be a bit further along with my planning, but two 86-
year old parents are keeping me quite busy.
Thank you for the input, Rick, I always appreciate it.
r
> If all lease-agreements work out, I will have room for a ShopBot.
> (Keeping as eye on the forum for a used one. Morris and Rick are
> already going: "Oh jeeeeezzz here come the questions"...)
>
I can't speak for Morris, but I'm certainly willing to answer your
questions. Ask away.
One problem I had to deal with is that despite ordering 1" thick sheet
plastic, it wasn't 1" ... it varied as much as .020" (+/-) ... some had the
equivalent of case hardening (temperature issue with the extruder).
The best one though ... since my bot cuts with an accuracy of about .001"
... I learned I HAVE to allow for some wiggle room when putting parts
together. Having a part 6.000" x 6.000" and trying to put it into an opening
that is 6.000" x 6.000" requires a press or a BEEG hammer. Now I allow about
.003" on both parts and am happy with the results.
BTW ... you're going to need a dust collector. Not some fancy, smancy
festy-tool vacuum cleaner ... a real, honest tornado in a box. I've the
Delta 1.5 HP dual bag with a cyclone ahead of it. Does well, but my dust
shield needs improving on the router.
OK Morris ... your turn!
Regards,
Rick
"Robatoy" wrote
> I have seen the kind of community support ShopBot owners lend to each
> other. Quite fascinating.
I think that community support is best explained by the fact the ShopBot
owners/users
are NOT in competition with each other ... on any level. They are all
interested in producing
their work with a minimum of fuss, and are for the most part not trapped by
an overly aggressive ego.
> I would want original software on a stand-alone computer. I'm not even
> the slightest bit interested in hacking and code-crunching. I'd love
> to be able to spend the time at some point, but it really has to
> fulfil its 'work' duty first/as soon as possible.
I highly recommend a stand-alone PC with a network connection. I'm using a
300 MHz Pentium running
Windows 98 with just network support loaded. No fancy graphics card, a stock
VGA CRT is all that's needed.
As a result, it boots fast, allows me to run the DOS version of the ShopBot
control software with only a minor pause
(caused when the DOS app is interrupted for network access).
Code crunching comes in when you're trying to speed production. Morris
writes much tighter, faster code
than PartWizard ... and that suits his needs. The guy I used to consult for
did some path optimization, but he
was using the same kerf twice and didn't want parts getting snatched up by
the router bit and destroyed (DAMHIKT).
I use PartWizard and accept that it will spend a few extra minutes running
home after each toolpath is cut (I make multiple
tool paths for the various different cuts I make, and I don't edit out the
Jog Home and Jog to the first cut position).
> I have to find a way to transfer the templates, which come with different
sinks, into an
> accurate toolpath. I'm making a hole to fit an exsisting sink. for
> undermounting. Tolerances are ± 1 mm, maybe even a bit sloppier.
I did that for a friend ... he had a custom copper sink made for his kitchen
and needed an under-support for the copper
(the legs attached to the plywood under-support) rather than have it sag
under the granite countertop. Took us about 5
minutes to lay out ... 4 minutes to cut, and it worked just fine. His was a
simple rectangle, and I took the widest measurement and added 1/4" to allow
for the bend radii.
> The curves are complex ie: http://www.topworks.ca/eclipse.html (click on
> 'double sinks'). By complex, I mean, no mathematical roots that I am
> aware of other than the obviously round ones and maybe some corner
> radii on some rectangular stuff..
> A fellow nearby ( 100km), will digitize the odd one for me, and I'll
> be able to go from DXF to BotTalk<G>.
> I also have access to a massive scanner, assuming I have a paper
> template. I can do an auto-trace and go to DXF from there..in house.
> The other choice would be to do some kind of stylus
>thing....investigating now, and I could use a nudge if you have one.
ShopBot has a 3-D Digitizing Probe available (
http://www.shopbottools.com/accessories.htm ) that will quickly allow you to
generate your toolpath. Might be an issue with deep sinks (Z Axis clearance
issue). Or ... you could take a digital photo with the sink bottom up,
perform an edge-find trace (Corel Trace is great for this), then perform an
offset of the shape that conforms to your support requirements (much easier
to perform than to describe).
> <g>..got the festy- and feiny-pants stuff already and a 2HP cannister
> blower which, with my probe draws 7 amps at 220 volt and it is turning
> a lot of energy into 'suck' I am satisfied that it will do its job
> with the 'Bot.
It may well ... I haven't any solid surface experience. If these vacs work
with your present cutting practice, you should be ok. Remember though that
the ShopBot doesn't take a break during a cut (unless you tell it to do so),
so the dust generation is full force. Your broom and dustpan will tell
whether you need an upgrade!
> I had wanted to be a bit further along with my planning, but two 86-
> year old parents are keeping me quite busy.
My hat is off to you on your priorities.
> Thank you for the input, Rick, I always appreciate it.
You're welcome.
Regards,
Rick
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I thought it was gimmicky at first. Bought it anyway.
> I'm forever reaching under countertops screwing upwards, always in
> fear of popping one through (when laminate).
> The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
> Good warranty too.
> (Second Bosch tool I have bought recently which makes me wonder if
> they're on their way back? Or did I leave?)
>
> http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=69859
>
> I'll come back to this in a couple of years.. or when I break it.
>
> r
>
How much are those drills? I have a Makita 7.2 volt right angle drill that
I have ad since 1983 and the original battery finally quit taking a charge
recently. I seldom use the drill because it has little of today's features
other than being battery operated. Not keyless, Not VS, No Clutch, Not real
strong. I have been reluctant to spend $40 for a new battery or rebuilt as
right angle attachments cost about as much and work with any drill.
Did you ever used a right angle drill attachment before getting this drill?
Maybe if I get one of these and because the Li-ion batteries are suppose to
last at least twice at long it will be good for 46 years instead of the 23 I
gout out of the Makita. ;~)
We have the pistol style and love it. It is the fist gun pulled out for
driving screws. My helper balked at the $129.00 price but I noticed its
always in his hands. I'll have to buy another one for myself :-)
cm
www.vintagetrailersforsale.com
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I thought it was gimmicky at first. Bought it anyway.
> I'm forever reaching under countertops screwing upwards, always in
> fear of popping one through (when laminate).
> The light weight and serious power plus the adjustable angle of the
> head, makes this a countertopscrewinginstalling dream come true.
> Good warranty too.
> (Second Bosch tool I have bought recently which makes me wonder if
> they're on their way back? Or did I leave?)
>
> http://www.boschtools.com/tools/tools-detail.htm?H=189200&G=70084&I=69859
>
> I'll come back to this in a couple of years.. or when I break it.
>
> r
>
"hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Likely true, it's not going to break your wrist. My impression is
> probably related to the fact that I was wedged into a tight space
> where my 18V behemoth could never go and it was infinitely better than
> trying to twist a stubby screwdriver 1/8th turn at a time. Still
> think it's a great little tool -- small enough to carry in the trunk
> or under the truck seat without a second thought, strong enough to be
> useful.
>
Ok, I am with you. 100 inch pounds beats the heck out of the human wrist.
I can relate to screwing in tight spots. Hummmm.. Lets stay on track.
Many years ago I had 2 small Skil drivers similar in size to the one you
used. They were 3.2 volts IIRC, not reeeeeel strong but beat screwing by
hand..... Hummm.. The driver even had a locking collar so that you could
turn it by hand if its power was not enough. Well, that was 25 years ago.
Thanks for the input.
"Robatoy" wrote in message
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> If all lease-agreements work out, I will have room for a ShopBot.
>
Robatoy with a Shopbot? That is a scary thought.
With your mad CAD skills and a compliant robotic slave, you will soon be
master of your little kingdom!
Congrats on the expansion. You apparently have no idea on how to retire.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Excuse me while I butt in.. but with the I-Drive I bought, there's
> tons of leverage. Way more than an ordinary drill.
Yeah, the long handle allows that. My old Makita is about 12" long.
> The little pistol-thingy would be just perfect for hanging cabinets
> when 100 in/lbs of torque is more than adequate for screwing low-roots
> through PB... or sideways through face-frames, which you'd pre-drill
> anyway.
Exactly.
> None of these drivers are power-houses, but we all already have those
> in other (corded) incarnations.
Yes.
>
>> Looking at the specs at the Bosch site, the torque is listed at 100 inch
>> pounds. The 14 volt drill/drivers state 300 inch pounds. While the 14
>> volt
>> drill has 40% more voltage, and equal comparison would have the smaller
>> driver closer to a 210 inch pounds.
>
> The point of these things, is that you can keep one in your tool belt,
> or pocket. Those things bridge a gap between big guns and manual screw
> drivers.
True I used to have a "small" 3.2 volt Skil that was impressive for what it
was.
"hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Apr 19, 6:45 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
> I used one of the Pocket Drivers a while back. That's about the same
> but pistol shaped. I was completely blown away by the performance --
> esp the torque. Definitely not cheap, but if you need a lot of
> capcacity in a tiny innocent looking form factor it's a bargain.
>
> hex
> -30-
>
I am curious why you were impressed by the torque. I wonder if the torque
seems more because of its compact size and you have less leverage holding it
to counter act the torque.
Looking at the specs at the Bosch site, the torque is listed at 100 inch
pounds. The 14 volt drill/drivers state 300 inch pounds. While the 14 volt
drill has 40% more voltage, and equal comparison would have the smaller
driver closer to a 210 inch pounds.
Not doubting your observation just wondering.