Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
everything a lot easier.
But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
accidents in the workshop?
--
ownerbuilder2012
On 9/29/2012 2:26 AM, Mike M wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:42:44 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/28/2012 3:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMHO, one of the best safety devices for a table saw are sleds.
>>>
>>> Depends on what you are doing. Certainly a good adjunct, but not worthy of
>>> such a broad sweeping statement. Perhaps you don't rip wood very much...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I try not to use a miter gage where ever possible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's too bad. It's not an unsafe device. One should distinguish between
>>> the device and practices.
>>>
>>
>>
>> No kidding, I have all but quite using sleds now that I have a great
>> miter gauge.
>
> My used unisaw came with a large laguna sliding table with a 4' fence,
> I've never felt the need to build a sled yet.
>
> Mike M
>
No kidding, LOL Is that the same Laguna as the the Laguna Tools or an
after market with the same name?
I used the In Line Industries Dubby sleds for a strong 10 years and they
are still great but my Incra 1000HD with an optional 27-49" fence with
flip stop gets the cast majority of action these days. Freaky accurate
and quick to set up a cut. Absolutely great for cutting rabbets on the
TS with a stacked dado set and a sacrificial fence on the miter gauge.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> IMHO, one of the best safety devices for a table saw are sleds.
Depends on what you are doing. Certainly a good adjunct, but not worthy of
such a broad sweeping statement. Perhaps you don't rip wood very much...
>
> I try not to use a miter gage where ever possible.
>
That's too bad. It's not an unsafe device. One should distinguish between
the device and practices.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
In article <[email protected]>, ownerbuilder2012
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
Use tools safely. Duh...
--
I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I
like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t.
John Gierach
"ownerbuilder2012" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
>
Become a safety freak. Read books and watch videos to get an idea how to
use equipment safely.
For me, it was easy. I was raised among folks who were NOT safety
conscious. I would see all those missing fingers, feet, limbs and going to
funerals, it made an impression on me. And my all time favorite safety
mental picture, I always envisioned my father. I made sure I did NOT do
anything like him.
The world is full of stupid people. Strive to be the healthy alternative.
ownerbuilder2012 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools.
> It's a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because
> it makes everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
>
One thing to realize is just how fast the situation changes from
"everything's ok" to "I just had an accident." Note how there's no "I'm
having an accident." Shop incidents happen fast!
Don't work tired.
Learn the conditions kickbacks are most likely to occur and avoid them.
At the same time, position yourself so that if kickbacks occur you won't
be in the line of fire. This has been the subject of several threads
long ago, but it probably wouldn't hurt to have a new one.
Remember your lungs and ears must be protected as well as your eyes.
Nobody is allowed to approach you while ANY tool is in use. They should
stand off to the side until you're at a point where being startled won't
be dangerous.
Hand tools and hand-held power tools can be just as dangerous, if not
moreso, than stationary power tools.
If you're interested in specific tools, post a thread about that tool.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
Natineah <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> ownerbuilder2012;2934752 Wrote:
>> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools.
>> It's a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because
>> it makes everything a lot easier.
>>
>> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>>
>> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>>
>> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
>> accidents in the workshop?
>
>
> You can't keep yourself away from being injured at the workplace but
> still you have to be very careful to avoid it.
>
In many cases, you can keep yourself from being injured. There will be
the times you can't do anything to prevent something from happening, but
most of the time you can take steps to be safe.
Safety equipment is available and the good stuff will protect you. In
combination with your eyes and brain, you can reduce the chance of
injury significantly.
You must learn what goes on when a task is going right, and stop if
things aren't going right. It's not right to see a piece of wood move
while you're attempting to profile the edge with a hand-held router.
Conversely, it's not good to see a table-mounted router move while doing
the same operation.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
On Sep 28, 12:32=A0pm, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
> ownerbuilder2012 <[email protected]> wrote innews:ow=
[email protected]:
>
>
>
> > Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools.
> > It's a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because
> > it makes everything a lot easier.
>
> > But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> > If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> > So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> > accidents in the workshop?
>
> One thing to realize is just how fast the situation changes from
> "everything's ok" to "I just had an accident." =A0Note how there's no "I'=
m
> having an accident." =A0Shop incidents happen fast!
>
> Don't work tired.
>
> Learn the conditions kickbacks are most likely to occur and avoid them.
> At the same time, position yourself so that if kickbacks occur you won't
> be in the line of fire. =A0This has been the subject of several threads
> long ago, but it probably wouldn't hurt to have a new one.
>
> Remember your lungs and ears must be protected as well as your eyes.
>
> Nobody is allowed to approach you while ANY tool is in use. =A0They shoul=
d
> stand off to the side until you're at a point where being startled won't
> be dangerous.
>
> Hand tools and hand-held power tools can be just as dangerous, if not
> moreso, than stationary power tools.
>
> If you're interested in specific tools, post a thread about that tool.
>
> Puckdropper
> --
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
speaking of ears, I developed an inner ear disease which caused me to
lose hearing in my right ear. My left ear is fading as well. When
I'm in my shop, I now where hearing protection whenever I'm using any
loud tools. I don't need anything to expedite the hearing loss. Put
on a pair of hearing protection and imagine if you had to go thru life
that way.
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:42:44 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 9/28/2012 3:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>
>>> IMHO, one of the best safety devices for a table saw are sleds.
>>
>> Depends on what you are doing. Certainly a good adjunct, but not worthy of
>> such a broad sweeping statement. Perhaps you don't rip wood very much...
>>
>>>
>>> I try not to use a miter gage where ever possible.
>>>
>>
>> That's too bad. It's not an unsafe device. One should distinguish between
>> the device and practices.
>>
>
>
>No kidding, I have all but quite using sleds now that I have a great
>miter gauge.
My used unisaw came with a large laguna sliding table with a 4' fence,
I've never felt the need to build a sled yet.
Mike M
J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>>
>> Today, ALL corporations have strict, behavior-based systems in place
>> that stress that virtually ALL ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE (excluding
>> meteors, lightning, earthquakes and other Acts of God [Root Cause No.
>> 8]). If you brougth that attitude to a jobsite or corporate Health
>> and Safety Meeting in today's workplace, you'd be fired on the spot.
>
> _All_ corporations? I own a corporation. It has two shareholders and
> one employee. It has no such "systems" in place.
>
Well hell - obviously you need to get these systems in place!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:18:04 -0700, Mike M
<[email protected]> wrote:
>>are still great but my Incra 1000HD with an optional 27-49" fence with
>>flip stop gets the cast majority of action these days. Freaky accurate
>>and quick to set up a cut. Absolutely great for cutting rabbets on the
>>TS with a stacked dado set and a sacrificial fence on the miter gauge.
>
>Put a PDF in the binary group which will let you see what is like. The
>rails are adjustble from front to pack depending what you are doing.
http://www.incra.com/product_miter1000hd.htm
Study, practice, homework and no drinking.
********************************************************************
On Sep 27, 7:59=A0pm, ownerbuilder2012
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
>
> --
> ownerbuilder2012
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> > Ultimately, you have to acknowledge that you really have two choices:
> >do you want perfect safety, or do you want to live your life?
>
> BAD CONCLUSION.
>
> Today, ALL corporations have strict, behavior-based systems in place
> that stress that virtually ALL ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE (excluding
> meteors, lightning, earthquakes and other Acts of God [Root Cause No.
> 8]). If you brougth that attitude to a jobsite or corporate Health
> and Safety Meeting in today's workplace, you'd be fired on the spot.
_All_ corporations? I own a corporation. It has two shareholders and
one employee. It has no such "systems" in place.
Don't conflate "corporation" with "big huge multinational business".
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> >So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> >accidents in the workshop?
>
> SPSA. "Safe Performance Self Assessment".
>
> Before EVERY task, you ask yourself "What can go wrong"? So, every
> time you change a tool (say, going from the jointer to the planer, or
> the planer to the table saw), you take 30 secs and ask the question.
>
> Then ask "What can I do to prevent that from happening"?
>
> What really drives it home is the next question: "If the worst case
> happens, what will result?" i.e. "I'll lose some fingers, I'll be out
> of work for some weeks, I'll lose income, I won;t be able to work at
> this job anymore, I'll spiral into debt and lose my home....."
>
> These pratices are incorporated into several programs that virtually
> ALL major corporations have integrated into their contracts. e.g.
> Exxon Mobil's "LOss PRevention System (LPS)'.
Worked really well for the Exxon Valdez . . .
ownerbuilder2012;2934752 Wrote:
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
You can't keep yourself away from being injured at the workplace but
still you have to be very careful to avoid it.
--
Natineah
On 9/27/2012 9:59 PM, ownerbuilder2012 wrote:
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
I am a bit confused. What is "it" that you are referring to? Hand
tools or power tools.
And I will agree, with out hand or power tools it would be difficult to
make things. I hope you don't think that we don't realize that.
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
Do you mean working with hand tools or power tools.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
Yeah, anything with a blade can do that.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
Paying attention and knowing that hand tools and power tools are not the
same.
On 9/28/2012 3:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>
>> IMHO, one of the best safety devices for a table saw are sleds.
>
> Depends on what you are doing. Certainly a good adjunct, but not worthy of
> such a broad sweeping statement. Perhaps you don't rip wood very much...
>
>>
>> I try not to use a miter gage where ever possible.
>>
>
> That's too bad. It's not an unsafe device. One should distinguish between
> the device and practices.
>
No kidding, I have all but quite using sleds now that I have a great
miter gauge.
"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
On 9/27/2012 10:59 PM, ownerbuilder2012 wrote:
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
>
>
>
>
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND DO NOT LISTEN TO YOUR IPOD WHEN
RUNNING THE SAW, DRILL, OR OTHER ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
==============================================================================
I once worked in a shop (machine shop) that did not allow radios but you
could listen to something with headphones. Plain stupid. I worked in another
that would not let you smoke in the building but you could drink beer.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:32:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 9/29/2012 2:26 AM, Mike M wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:42:44 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/2012 3:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, one of the best safety devices for a table saw are sleds.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on what you are doing. Certainly a good adjunct, but not worthy of
>>>> such a broad sweeping statement. Perhaps you don't rip wood very much...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I try not to use a miter gage where ever possible.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's too bad. It's not an unsafe device. One should distinguish between
>>>> the device and practices.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No kidding, I have all but quite using sleds now that I have a great
>>> miter gauge.
>>
>> My used unisaw came with a large laguna sliding table with a 4' fence,
>> I've never felt the need to build a sled yet.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>
>
>No kidding, LOL Is that the same Laguna as the the Laguna Tools or an
>after market with the same name?
>
>I used the In Line Industries Dubby sleds for a strong 10 years and they
>are still great but my Incra 1000HD with an optional 27-49" fence with
>flip stop gets the cast majority of action these days. Freaky accurate
>and quick to set up a cut. Absolutely great for cutting rabbets on the
>TS with a stacked dado set and a sacrificial fence on the miter gauge.
Put a PDF in the binary group which will let you see what is like. The
rails are adjustble from front to pack depending what you are doing.
Mike M
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:22:02 -0700, Zz Yzx <[email protected]>
wrote:
>BAD CONCLUSION.
>Today, ALL corporations have strict, behavior-based systems in place
>that stress that virtually ALL ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE (excluding
>meteors, lightning, earthquakes and other Acts of God [Root Cause No.
>8]). If you brougth that attitude to a jobsite or corporate Health
>and Safety Meeting in today's workplace, you'd be fired on the spot.
AND EVEN WORSE RESPONSE
People aren't perfect, they do not all react the same way or even hear
the same things. You cannot expect a 'digital' type of response action
from everybody. And, if you try to remove all the people who do not
respond as fully expected, you're doomed to failure from the start.
All you can do is to put reasonable protection devices and training
into the mix and hope that most of it hits home.
>All you can do is to put reasonable protection devices and training
>into the mix and hope that most of it hits home.
I'm just saying, if you came to one of our job sites and conveyed that
attitude to the designated Health and Safety officer or a client rep,
you'd be dismissed on the spot. And the company you work for would
face a safety stand-down (i.e. work stoppage) and be subjected to a
safety program review by our client.
"Hoping" is not a valid loss prevention tool.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:32:00 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 9/29/2012 2:26 AM, Mike M wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:42:44 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/2012 3:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Lew Hodgett wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, one of the best safety devices for a table saw are sleds.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on what you are doing. Certainly a good adjunct, but not worthy of
>>>> such a broad sweeping statement. Perhaps you don't rip wood very much...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I try not to use a miter gage where ever possible.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's too bad. It's not an unsafe device. One should distinguish between
>>>> the device and practices.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No kidding, I have all but quite using sleds now that I have a great
>>> miter gauge.
>>
>> My used unisaw came with a large laguna sliding table with a 4' fence,
>> I've never felt the need to build a sled yet.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>
>
>No kidding, LOL Is that the same Laguna as the the Laguna Tools or an
>after market with the same name?
>
>I used the In Line Industries Dubby sleds for a strong 10 years and they
>are still great but my Incra 1000HD with an optional 27-49" fence with
>flip stop gets the cast majority of action these days. Freaky accurate
>and quick to set up a cut. Absolutely great for cutting rabbets on the
>TS with a stacked dado set and a sacrificial fence on the miter gauge.
It is actually Laguna Tools. It is different then the one they offer
now. It was made to be mounted on a right tilt unisaw. They use to
have regular table, and a large table. This is the large table and
the Laguna tools manual shows an e-mail goes back to when they had an
Earthlink e-mail address. Actually got it from some one here on the
wrec. Also came with the overhead guard, outfeed table 51" Biesmeyer
setup with a router mount in the table, and a tenoning jig. Also the
mobile base and a Forest Blade. It's been a great saw.
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:09:27 -0700, Zz Yzx <[email protected]>
>"Hoping" is not a valid loss prevention tool.
No it's not, but sometimes, it's all you've got to work with.
> Ultimately, you have to acknowledge that you really have two choices:
>do you want perfect safety, or do you want to live your life?
BAD CONCLUSION.
Today, ALL corporations have strict, behavior-based systems in place
that stress that virtually ALL ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTABLE (excluding
meteors, lightning, earthquakes and other Acts of God [Root Cause No.
8]). If you brougth that attitude to a jobsite or corporate Health
and Safety Meeting in today's workplace, you'd be fired on the spot.
On 9/27/2012 10:59 PM, ownerbuilder2012 wrote:
> Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
> a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
> everything a lot easier.
>
> But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
> If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
> So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
> accidents in the workshop?
>
>
>
>
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND DO NOT LISTEN TO YOUR IPOD WHEN
RUNNING THE SAW, DRILL, OR OTHER ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
The most important safety device is you mind.
In article <[email protected]>,
ownerbuilder2012 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
>accidents in the workshop?
My three most dangerous tools are my table saw, my chop saw,
and my Ryobo hand saw (laugh if you want, but the Ryobo is
the only one that's ever actually drawn blood).
Generally, before every cut, I pause for a moment and think
about how this can end with my fingers flying across the room,
and adjust my grip or setup if necessary.
I also reflect on my high school shop teacher, who with 20 years
experience, still managed to lose two fingers. Ultimately,
you have to acknowledge that you really have two choices:
do you want perfect safety, or do you want to live your life?
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>ownerbuilder2012 <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>Generally, before every cut, I pause for a moment and think
>about how this can end with my fingers flying across the room,
>and adjust my grip or setup if necessary.
Oh, and don't wear long sleeves.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
>So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
>accidents in the workshop?
SPSA. "Safe Performance Self Assessment".
Before EVERY task, you ask yourself "What can go wrong"? So, every
time you change a tool (say, going from the jointer to the planer, or
the planer to the table saw), you take 30 secs and ask the question.
Then ask "What can I do to prevent that from happening"?
What really drives it home is the next question: "If the worst case
happens, what will result?" i.e. "I'll lose some fingers, I'll be out
of work for some weeks, I'll lose income, I won;t be able to work at
this job anymore, I'll spiral into debt and lose my home....."
These pratices are incorporated into several programs that virtually
ALL major corporations have integrated into their contracts. e.g.
Exxon Mobil's "LOss PRevention System (LPS)'.
On 9/29/2012 6:31 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:18:04 -0700, Mike M
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> are still great but my Incra 1000HD with an optional 27-49" fence with
>>> flip stop gets the cast majority of action these days. Freaky accurate
>>> and quick to set up a cut. Absolutely great for cutting rabbets on the
>>> TS with a stacked dado set and a sacrificial fence on the miter gauge.
>>
>> Put a PDF in the binary group which will let you see what is like. The
>> rails are adjustble from front to pack depending what you are doing.
>
> http://www.incra.com/product_miter1000hd.htm
>
That's the one but I added the longer telescoping fence.
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 19:31:34 -0400, Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 16:18:04 -0700, Mike M
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>are still great but my Incra 1000HD with an optional 27-49" fence with
>>>flip stop gets the cast majority of action these days. Freaky accurate
>>>and quick to set up a cut. Absolutely great for cutting rabbets on the
>>>TS with a stacked dado set and a sacrificial fence on the miter gauge.
>>
>>Put a PDF in the binary group which will let you see what is like. The
>>rails are adjustble from front to pack depending what you are doing.
>
>http://www.incra.com/product_miter1000hd.htm
That isn't what I posted a PDF of that's what Leon has.
On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:59:55 +0000, ownerbuilder2012
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Woodworking involves the use of a variety of hand and power tools. It's
>a very important part of the whole woodworking industry because it makes
>everything a lot easier.
>
>But the convenience comes with a certain price, and that is safety.
>
>If you get a bit clumsy you can easily cut a finger off.
>
>So the question is, how do keep yourself safe from injuries and
>accidents in the workshop?
Visualize where the sharp thing and your body is going if something unexpected
happens. Know what unexpected things to expect. Most importantly, THIMK.