I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is
a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
received....
So beware there seems to be something new out there...
--
David
1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
1998 Chev K1500
2000 Subaru Legacy GT
SPAM - either filter out or just delete without opening. Some contain
viruses.
Regards,
Marv
Dante M. Catoni wrote:
> I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.
>
>
>>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
>>Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
>
>
>
Microsoft has nothing to do with these messages - other than making and
selling some pretty bad software.
Regards,
Marv
DejaVU wrote:
> Marv Soloff <[email protected]> scribed in
> <[email protected]>:
>
>
>>SPAM - either filter out or just delete without opening. Some >
>>contain viruses.
>
>
> NOT SPAM, VIRUS
>
> Microsoft is many things, but they are not stupid enough to send spam
> by email
>
>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Marv
>>
>>Dante M. Catoni wrote:
>
> I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.
>
>>>
>>>>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
>>>
> Internet
>
>>>>Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express
>>>
> removed as it
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
> would be targetting Netscape same for Eudora, Agent or any other
> the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used
> what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?
It seems to me that you are not a programmer.
The problem is that micro$oft has (had) a lot of open ports, allowing
for example vbs (visual basic scrit) or active-x in emails. The <I love
you>-virus vas a typical vbs-virus: what you need vbs in an email
program for? For *absolutely* nothing. So the problem is there: why
build in functionalitites that have no use and a lot of harm potential?
Why making default settings that are unsafe? That's the reason almost
all viruses of the last few years are for micro$oft outlook o ie.
For one security hole in the other programs you have hundres security
holes in outlook/ie.
The other programs like netscape/mozilla/eudora/opera.... *are* safer.
Hi
What i noticed was that the day after the BBC made a news report on how
easy it is to send an email virus, i noticed that i had 50% of my junk
email had a virus in it, now that is an example of where the BBC thinmk
they are being the good samaritan, but don't actually notice it causing
more trouble.
Dan
D wrote:
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
> Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
> was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
> looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is
> a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
> example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
Gary Glaenzer wrote:
> it's neither difficult or non-obvious
>
> it's right there under 'Tools', 'options' , 'read' and 'security'
You are completely misinformed re the level of computer literacy of the
average Windoze user. I have a college educated sister-in-law who finds
it too complicated to send me messages that she prepared in Word in
plain ASCII and that requires even fewer extra keystrokes. Nor is she
unique amoung people I know.
Ted
"DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> <[email protected]>:
>
> > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > received....
> >
> > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
>
> it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> and all the rest of us.
>
> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
>
> swarf, steam and wind
>
>
Oh, purleese.
If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
much mistaken.
Mike
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:52 +0200, "mb" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
8<8<8<8<
> >
> >Oh, purleese.
> >If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
> >the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
that
> >all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
> >much mistaken.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
> vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me. Id rather have
> folks like you hanging your asses out as a fine target, keeping the
> script kiddies occupied, than trying to get through the few if any
> vulnerabilities in real Something Elses.
>
> Having you folks out there as a nice big fat target means they arent
> going to be going after the rest of us.
>
> "this is the reason aircraft carriers are known as bomb magnets"
>
>
> Gunner
>
>
Yawn, another self righteous Agent user.
I hope that's not your real email address 'hanging it ass' out.
Greetings and Salutations.
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:30:29 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>here too:
>
>but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
>would be targetting Netscape
>
>same for Eudora, Agent or any other
>
>the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used
>
>what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?
>
my only contribution to this little flame war is
to say that the reason that the virus writers target outlook
and IE is because they have the largest security holes. They,
unlike the other clients you mention, will automatically run
programs that come in as attachments to Email or web pages
without warning the user, or without asking the user if
they should. ONe can turn this off, but, it is not easy
or obvious enough that most folks can and will do it.
Regards
Dave Mundt
"Walt Conner" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > will go away.
>
> Actually the writers will just become more creative targeting what had been
> the lesser used programs.
>
they can't. The other programs
don't try to integrate with everything else
in Windoze and are therefore much safer.
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
[email protected]
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:17:55 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:59:10 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >
>> >> Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
>> >> vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me.
>> >
>> >don't have the vulnerabilities, or they haven't been discovered because
>it's
>> >not practical to search them out due to low numbers in use ?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Eudora is a low numbered software? ROFLMAO.
>>
>
>what part of 'most of something else' can you not understand, since YOU said
>it ?
>
>
Huh?
Gunner
"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:59:10 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
>> vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me.
>
>don't have the vulnerabilities, or they haven't been discovered because it's
>not practical to search them out due to low numbers in use ?
>
>
Eudora is a low numbered software? ROFLMAO.
Think again..do the research..get back to me, ok?
Denial..is not a river in Egypt.
Target.
Gunner
"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:38:28 GMT, Ted Edwards <[email protected]> wrote:
>Gary Glaenzer wrote:
>
>> it's neither difficult or non-obvious
>>
>> it's right there under 'Tools', 'options' , 'read' and 'security'
>
>You are completely misinformed re the level of computer literacy of the
>average Windoze user. I have a college educated sister-in-law who finds
>it too complicated to send me messages that she prepared in Word in
>plain ASCII and that requires even fewer extra keystrokes. Nor is she
>unique amoung people I know.
>
>Ted
>
Hi Ted, this may also indicate the relative worth of a contemporary college education.
Regards,
Luke
> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
Another misinformed viewer.
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6264_11-5054187.html?tag=fb
The reason virus writers focus on Microsoft is that most people are
running MS Operating systems. If, overnight, we all switched to
something else, they'd focus on that. You really don't know what
you're talking about if you think nothing else is vulnerable.
I use outlook express / internet explorer and nothing else.
I dont get these virus's sent to me.
It has way more to do with your personal internet habits, and way less to do
with what software you use.
"Perry Murlless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what
you
> email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with
your
> idiotic, uninformed ravings!!
>
>
> "mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> > > <[email protected]>:
> > >
> > > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> > > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > > > received....
> > > >
> > > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> > >
> > > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> > > and all the rest of us.
> > >
> > > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> > > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> > > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
> > >
> > > swarf, steam and wind
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oh, purleese.
> > If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else',
then
> > the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
that
> > all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're
very
> > much mistaken.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:03:39 -0600, "D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote:
>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft.
only one? they have been going out for months but the last two weeks they have
flooded i was getting 600 or more a day.
--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:59:10 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
> >> vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me.
> >
> >don't have the vulnerabilities, or they haven't been discovered because
it's
> >not practical to search them out due to low numbers in use ?
> >
> >
>
> Eudora is a low numbered software? ROFLMAO.
>
what part of 'most of something else' can you not understand, since YOU said
it ?
[email protected], decides to chip in.
> Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Steve Knight, decides to chip in.
>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:03:39 -0600, "D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft.
>>> only one? they have been going out for months but the last two weeks
>>> they have
>>> flooded i was getting 600 or more a day.
>>>
>>Hmmmmmm. I haven't got any, wonder why?
>>
>>Rich
>
> Maybe because your e-mail address is obsfucated. My throwaway lycos
> address is always full.
>
> Wes
Sarcasm always goes a long way with some!
--
You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK.
Atten: Micro$oft Outlook users, please take me
off of your address books!
Email, remove the DOT
Marv Soloff <[email protected]> scribed in
<[email protected]>:
>SPAM - either filter out or just delete without opening. Some >
>contain viruses.
NOT SPAM, VIRUS
Microsoft is many things, but they are not stupid enough to send spam
by email
>Regards,
>
>Marv
>
>Dante M. Catoni wrote:
I've been getting 30-40 of these a day for the last 3 weeks.
>>
>>
>>>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet
>>>Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express
removed as it
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
swarf, steam and wind
--
David Forsyth -:- the email address is real /"\
http://terrapin.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/welcome.html \ /
ASCII Ribbon campaign against HTML E-Mail > - - - - - - -> X
If you receive email saying "Send this to everyone you know," / \
PLEASE pretend you don't know me.
D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
<[email protected]>:
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
and all the rest of us.
Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
swarf, steam and wind
--
David Forsyth -:- the email address is real /"\
http://terrapin.ru.ac.za/~iwdf/welcome.html \ /
ASCII Ribbon campaign against HTML E-Mail > - - - - - - -> X
If you receive email saying "Send this to everyone you know," / \
PLEASE pretend you don't know me.
There are a lot of these going around now with various headings trying to
make it appear as if they came from Microsoft. Microsoft never sends
unsolicited software updates by email! Delete them without opening.
Billh
"D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
> Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
> was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
> looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
> a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
> example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> --
> David
> 1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
> 1998 Chev K1500
> 2000 Subaru Legacy GT
>
>
>
Outlook or Outlook Express??
> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
>
Steve Knight, decides to chip in.
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:03:39 -0600, "D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote:
>
>>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft.
> only one? they have been going out for months but the last two weeks they
> have
> flooded i was getting 600 or more a day.
>
Hmmmmmm. I haven't got any, wonder why?
Rich
--
You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK.
Atten: Micro$oft Outlook users, please take me
off of your address books!
Email, remove the DOT
Precisely. PCs are like washing machines - everybody has one and they are
like cars -work the controls and it goes without knowing how an automatic
transmission works. This is why my technologically challenged 80 yr old
mother can do email and search the internet along with millions of other
people. Where would it be today if everybody had to be a programmer to
operate a PC? Whether we like it or not the huge user-base of Windows made
computers possible for the masses and the fact that almost everyone was
using the same thing created a community that could help and understand each
other. In trying to support the non-technical community by making computers
easy to use MS also made it easy for viruses to be launched by non-technical
users.
Billh
"Ted Edwards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gary Glaenzer wrote:
>
> > it's neither difficult or non-obvious
> >
> > it's right there under 'Tools', 'options' , 'read' and 'security'
>
> You are completely misinformed re the level of computer literacy of the
> average Windoze user. I have a college educated sister-in-law who finds
> it too complicated to send me messages that she prepared in Word in
> plain ASCII and that requires even fewer extra keystrokes. Nor is she
> unique amoung people I know.
>
> Ted
>
>
"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
> vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me.
don't have the vulnerabilities, or they haven't been discovered because it's
not practical to search them out due to low numbers in use ?
"mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> > <[email protected]>:
> >
> > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > > received....
> > >
> > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> >
> > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> > and all the rest of us.
> >
> > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
> >
> > swarf, steam and wind
> >
> >
>
> Oh, purleese.
> If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
> the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
> all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
> much mistaken.
>
> Mike
I agree. There is no safe system, and the "popular" one (read that the most
used), should Outlook Express get replaced by another, will be plagued
quickly.
One does not quit driving cars because some crazy person kills another
intentionally, he goes after the crazy person and gets them locked up.
Penalties for these idiots is simply not severe enough, if at all.
Personally, I don't intend to allow these fools to force me to make other
choices. It's easy enough to deal with the problem emails, though
inconvenient.
Harold
You are right !
Most PC Users are completely stupid about how to anything other than the
basic email or internet surf. thats probably why the most active thread in
this group these days is this one !
Let this thread finnally DIE PLEASE !
"Ted Edwards" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gary Glaenzer wrote:
>
> > it's neither difficult or non-obvious
> >
> > it's right there under 'Tools', 'options' , 'read' and 'security'
>
> You are completely misinformed re the level of computer literacy of the
> average Windoze user. I have a college educated sister-in-law who finds
> it too complicated to send me messages that she prepared in Word in
> plain ASCII and that requires even fewer extra keystrokes. Nor is she
> unique amoung people I know.
>
> Ted
>
>
"Dave Mundt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greetings and Salutations.
>
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:30:29 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >here too:
> >
> >but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
> >would be targetting Netscape
> >
> >same for Eudora, Agent or any other
> >
> >the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used
> >
> >what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?
> >
>
> my only contribution to this little flame war is
> to say that the reason that the virus writers target outlook
> and IE is because they have the largest security holes. They,
> unlike the other clients you mention, will automatically run
> programs that come in as attachments to Email or web pages
> without warning the user, or without asking the user if
> they should. ONe can turn this off, but, it is not easy
> or obvious enough that most folks can and will do it.
> Regards
> Dave Mundt
>
it's neither difficult or non-obvious
it's right there under 'Tools', 'options' , 'read' and 'security'
here too:
but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
would be targetting Netscape
same for Eudora, Agent or any other
the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used
what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?
"Buzz Lightyear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6YZdb.44210$I36.24471@pd7tw3no...
> I use outlook express / internet explorer and nothing else.
>
> I dont get these virus's sent to me.
>
> It has way more to do with your personal internet habits, and way less to
do
> with what software you use.
>
>
> "Perry Murlless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what
> you
> > email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with
> your
> > idiotic, uninformed ravings!!
> >
> >
> > "mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> > > > <[email protected]>:
> > > >
> > > > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> > > > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > > > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > > > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > > > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > > > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > > > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > > > > received....
> > > > >
> > > > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> > > >
> > > > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> > > > and all the rest of us.
> > > >
> > > > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> > > > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is
vulnerable.
> > > > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > > > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
> > > >
> > > > swarf, steam and wind
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Oh, purleese.
> > > If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else',
> then
> > > the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
> that
> > > all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're
> very
> > > much mistaken.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
"D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is
> "Newest Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that
> Outlook Express removed as it was/is an executable called
> "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so
> I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a
> section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an
> actual example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like
> the email I received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
Pay attention to any mail from eBay as well. There's a few versions
of spoofs going around.
One even takes you to a genuine looking secure eBay page, and then
asks you to put information into a popup page. Bad gimshe.
"mb" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
>> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> Oh, purleese.
> If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else',
> then the virus writers will just target the 'something else'.
Probably true, but it's much harder to make a virus spread using
any of the other email programs out there (only Microsoft thinks
it's a good idea to have an email program automagically execute
HTML, attachments, vb script, etc). Outlook is the target because
it's easy to do nasty things with it.
> If you
> think that all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I
> think you're very much mistaken.
The author of "swen" clearly wants to bug Microsoft, as have the
authors of several other worms which tried to run DOS attacks on
Microsoft servers (on the other hand, the authors of SoBig apparently
were trying to set up a zombie spam-sending network).
John
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:12:59 +0000, Gary Glaenzer wrote:
> 'I do believe'.........'I strongly oppose'.........'I question'.......
>
> sounds like another self-proclaimed 'expert' who thinks his beliefs,
> oppositions, and questions constitute fact...........
And the facts are?
Perhaps reading the referenced guide would clear up the authors
credentials. He does spell it out very clearly.
-Doug
"D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
> Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
> was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
> looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is
> a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
> example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
forward them all to [email protected]
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:21:26 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:
>> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
>> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
>
> Another misinformed viewer.
>
> http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6264_11-5054187.html?tag=fb
>
> The reason virus writers focus on Microsoft is that most people are
> running MS Operating systems. If, overnight, we all switched to
> something else, they'd focus on that. You really don't know what
> you're talking about if you think nothing else is vulnerable.
However, the author of the referenced guide has this to say:
"I do believe that free software is superior, at least in regard to
security. And I strongly oppose the argument that Linux viruses will
flourish once it reaches a critical mass of popularity. On the contrary
I question the credibility of people whose income relies on widespread
use of ridiculously insecure operating systems."
-Doug
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:52:20 +0200, "mb" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Gunner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:52 +0200, "mb" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>
>8<8<8<8<
>
>> >
>> >Oh, purleese.
>> >If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
>> >the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think
>that
>> >all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
>> >much mistaken.
>> >
>> >Mike
>> >
>> Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
>> vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me. Id rather have
>> folks like you hanging your asses out as a fine target, keeping the
>> script kiddies occupied, than trying to get through the few if any
>> vulnerabilities in real Something Elses.
>>
>> Having you folks out there as a nice big fat target means they arent
>> going to be going after the rest of us.
>>
>> "this is the reason aircraft carriers are known as bomb magnets"
>>
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>>
>
>Yawn, another self righteous Agent user.
>I hope that's not your real email address 'hanging it ass' out.
>
Yup, its my real email addy. Why shouldnt it be? I dont run vulnerable
software, so malware is not an issue. The only concern I have
security wise, is a denial of service attack, and I have alternate
email addys for that event.
Chuckle..I may hang my ass out there..but I wear kevlar undies.
Gunner
"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker
i have been hit by about 40 of this type in the last week. my antivirus has
flagged everyone of them as containing a virus.
"D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
> Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
> was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
> looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
> a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
> example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> --
> David
> 1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
> 1998 Chev K1500
> 2000 Subaru Legacy GT
>
>
>
"mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> > <[email protected]>:
> >
> > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > > received....
> > >
> > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> >
> > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> > and all the rest of us.
> >
> > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
> >
> > swarf, steam and wind
> >
> >
>
> Oh, purleese.
> If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
> the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
> all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
> much mistaken.
>
> Mike
Don't want to get into the contest on outlook and sorry to post this
on this site, but I am getting the same problem with my yahoo mail,
from what it looks like it coming from microsoft to the tone of 10 to
15 a day, so please inform on how NOT to have this problem. It seems
to be the same problem as posted above, good luck guys.
Rager <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is
> > "Newest Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that
> > Outlook Express removed as it was/is an executable called
> > "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so
> > I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a
> > section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an
> > actual example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like
> > the email I received....
> >
> > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
>
> Pay attention to any mail from eBay as well. There's a few versions
> of spoofs going around.
>
> One even takes you to a genuine looking secure eBay page, and then
> asks you to put information into a popup page. Bad gimshe.
WTH
Look at that post. "I received an e-mail from Microsoft today." She
still believes it!¿
People must live under rocks or something not to be aware of this
stuff, which has been going on for years. Gullible people just invite
more scams, spams, and hackers. I guess the old pigeon drop still
works too so I should not be surprised.
Trust Me, Its not NEW. In fact I have been reading about it for months.
Some of us are getting sick of reading all about it in every newsgroup, all
the time. so just protect yourself.
I saw some in my box about 4 months ago, and figured it out, now i never see
it anymore.
"D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest Internet
> Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as it
> was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
> looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
is
> a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
> example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> received....
>
> So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> --
> David
> 1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
> 1998 Chev K1500
> 2000 Subaru Legacy GT
>
>
>
In article <Ua5eb.636905$o%2.294811@sccrnsc02>, [email protected]
says...
>
> "Dave Mundt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Greetings and Salutations.
> >
> > On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:30:29 GMT, "Gary Glaenzer"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >here too:
> > >
> > >but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
> > >would be targetting Netscape
> > >
> > >same for Eudora, Agent or any other
> > >
> > >the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used
> > >
> > >what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?
> > >
> >
> > my only contribution to this little flame war is
> > to say that the reason that the virus writers target outlook
> > and IE is because they have the largest security holes. They,
> > unlike the other clients you mention, will automatically run
> > programs that come in as attachments to Email or web pages
> > without warning the user, or without asking the user if
> > they should. ONe can turn this off, but, it is not easy
> > or obvious enough that most folks can and will do it.
> > Regards
> > Dave Mundt
> >
>
> it's neither difficult or non-obvious
>
> it's right there under 'Tools', 'options' , 'read' and 'security'
>
You must be one of those folks who thought that making a command
really easy to remember under MS-DOS was choosing a key combination like
CTL-ALT-Shift-F10.
>
>
>
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 07:45:47 GMT, Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hmmmmmm. I haven't got any, wonder why?
fake email address helps that.
--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 07:21:26 -0700, Larry Bud wrote:
>
> >> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> >> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> >
> > Another misinformed viewer.
> >
> > http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6264_11-5054187.html?tag=fb
> >
> > The reason virus writers focus on Microsoft is that most people are
> > running MS Operating systems. If, overnight, we all switched to
> > something else, they'd focus on that. You really don't know what
> > you're talking about if you think nothing else is vulnerable.
>
> However, the author of the referenced guide has this to say:
>
> "I do believe that free software is superior, at least in regard to
> security. And I strongly oppose the argument that Linux viruses will
> flourish once it reaches a critical mass of popularity. On the contrary
> I question the credibility of people whose income relies on widespread
> use of ridiculously insecure operating systems."
>
'I do believe'.........'I strongly oppose'.........'I question'.......
sounds like another self-proclaimed 'expert' who thinks his beliefs,
oppositions, and questions constitute fact...........
Thanks for finally some real words of wisdom.
MS isn't totally blamefree but in their well-intended quest to make
computers easy to use it has also made it easy for morons to take advantage
of it.
Billh
"Gary Glaenzer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:V_Zdb.632150$Ho3.121015@sccrnsc03...
> here too:
>
> but if Netscape was the browser of choice for the majority, the viruses
> would be targetting Netscape
>
> same for Eudora, Agent or any other
>
> the viruses are targetted at Outlook cause its the most widely used
>
> what's so hard to understand about that, folks ?
>
>
> "Buzz Lightyear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:6YZdb.44210$I36.24471@pd7tw3no...
> > I use outlook express / internet explorer and nothing else.
> >
> > I dont get these virus's sent to me.
> >
> > It has way more to do with your personal internet habits, and way less
to
> do
> > with what software you use.
> >
> >
> > "Perry Murlless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter
what
> > you
> > > email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup
with
> > your
> > > idiotic, uninformed ravings!!
> > >
> > >
> > > "mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> > > > > <[email protected]>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is
"Newest
> > > > > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > > > > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > > > > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > > > > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > > > > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > > > > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > > > > > received....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> > > > >
> > > > > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> > > > > and all the rest of us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook
is
> > > > > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is
> vulnerable.
> > > > > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > > > > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
> > > > >
> > > > > swarf, steam and wind
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, purleese.
> > > > If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else',
> > then
> > > > the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you
think
> > that
> > > > all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're
> > very
> > > > much mistaken.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:19:23 -0700, "Perry Murlless"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what you
>email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with your
>idiotic, uninformed ravings!!
While true to some extent...how many Mac viruses are there? Linux?
Eudora is one of the most popular email clients out there. Found a
virus yet that targets Eudora?
Denial is not a river in Egypt. Keep what you have..it works for me.
Being a nice dumb fat vulnerable target for the script kiddies keeps
the pressure off the rest of us.
Gunner
>
>
>"mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
>> > <[email protected]>:
>> >
>> > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
>> > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
>> > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
>> > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
>> > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
>> > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
>> > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
>> > > received....
>> > >
>> > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
>> >
>> > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
>> > and all the rest of us.
>> >
>> > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
>> > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
>> > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
>> > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
>> >
>> > swarf, steam and wind
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Oh, purleese.
>> If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
>> the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
>> all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
>> much mistaken.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
"People are more violently opposed to fur than leather,
because it is easier to harrass rich women
than it is motorcycle gangs." - Bumper Sticker
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:57:52 +0200, "mb" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
>> <[email protected]>:
>>
>> > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
>> > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
>> > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
>> > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
>> > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
>> > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
>> > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
>> > received....
>> >
>> > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
>>
>> it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
>> and all the rest of us.
>>
>> Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
>> the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
>> IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
>> will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
>>
>> swarf, steam and wind
>>
>>
>
>Oh, purleese.
>If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
>the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
>all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
>much mistaken.
>
>Mike
>
Well..first of all..most of the Something Elses, dont have the
vulnerabilities of OE..but thats just fine with me. Id rather have
folks like you hanging your asses out as a fine target, keeping the
script kiddies occupied, than trying to get through the few if any
vulnerabilities in real Something Elses.
Having you folks out there as a nice big fat target means they arent
going to be going after the rest of us.
"this is the reason aircraft carriers are known as bomb magnets"
Gunner
"Anyone who cannot cope with firearms is not fully human. At best he
is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe and not
make messes in the house."
With appologies to RAH..
over 3000 of them the last week
"Buzz Lightyear" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cOodb.35875$TM4.23330@pd7tw2no...
> Trust Me, Its not NEW. In fact I have been reading about it for months.
> Some of us are getting sick of reading all about it in every newsgroup,
all
> the time. so just protect yourself.
> I saw some in my box about 4 months ago, and figured it out, now i never
see
> it anymore.
>
>
>
>
> "D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
Internet
> > Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook Express removed as
it
> > was/is an executable called "installation 232.exe" The e-mail certainly
> > looks authentic, so I checked The Microsoft site and lo and behold there
> is
> > a section on how to tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual
> > example of a hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > received....
> >
> > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> > --
> > David
> > 1964 Karmann Ghia coupe
> > 1998 Chev K1500
> > 2000 Subaru Legacy GT
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Rich <[email protected]> wrote:
>Steve Knight, decides to chip in.
>
>> On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 17:03:39 -0600, "D" <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> wrote:
>>
>>>I received an e-mail today from Microsoft.
>> only one? they have been going out for months but the last two weeks they
>> have
>> flooded i was getting 600 or more a day.
>>
>Hmmmmmm. I haven't got any, wonder why?
>
>Rich
Maybe because your e-mail address is obsfucated. My throwaway lycos
address is always full.
Wes
--
Reply to:
Whiskey Echo Sierra Sierra AT Gee Tee EYE EYE dot COM
Lycos address is a spam trap.
That's a crock! Spam, and virus' and worms will be around no matter what you
email client is! Get a life Gumby and stop spamming this newsgroup with your
idiotic, uninformed ravings!!
"mb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "DejaVU" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > D <dwrate@interbaundotc0m> scribed in
> > <[email protected]>:
> >
> > > I received an e-mail today from Microsoft. The subject is "Newest
> > > Internet Security Upgrade" It has an attachment that Outlook
> > > Express removed as it was/is an executable called "installation
> > > 232.exe" The e-mail certainly looks authentic, so I checked The
> > > Microsoft site and lo and behold there is a section on how to
> > > tell if an e-mail is legitimate. There is an actual example of a
> > > hoax and shocking enough it looks just like the email I
> > > received....
> > >
> > > So beware there seems to be something new out there...
> >
> > it is the product of the SWEN virus, trying to send it self to you
> > and all the rest of us.
> >
> > Please, will everyone wake up and ditch Outlook already? Outlook is
> > the target of allthese things, just about nothing else is vulnerable.
> > IF we allpull together and stop using Outlook, the virii and worms
> > will go away. Same with Spam, never reply, never buy, it will go.
> >
> > swarf, steam and wind
> >
> >
>
> Oh, purleese.
> If we all ditched Outlook/Outlook Express and used 'something else', then
> the virus writers will just target the 'something else'. If you think that
> all the virus writers want to do is to bug Microsoft, I think you're very
> much mistaken.
>
> Mike
>
>