"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:H4Kak.228$713.41@trnddc03:
> The OP realizes his mistake. :-)
>
> It is a.b.p.w.
>
> I'm still upset about the change and probably will change providers.
> I'm curious about EarthLink satellite service. I loose Verizon every
> time it thunders anyway. Verizon's tech support technicians(?) are not
> very knowledgeable. I suppose if I worked all night, I wouldn't be
> either.
Satellite suffers from terrible latency. What that means (to the
layman) is that you click on a link, then wait 1/2 second for the page
to even begin loading. That compounds quickly, and just doesn't feel
"fast."
You're better off with another Usenet provider. Thankfully, you don't
have to stick to Verizon's services for Usenet. (Go ahead and call
Verizon and tell them you don't want to pay for a service they've made
unusable for you. Maybe you'll get a few bucks off your internet,
probably not.)
Puckdropper
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Jack Stein wrote:
> Nova wrote:
>
>> "If I want to access Newsgroups different from the ones you carry,
>> what are my options?
>>
>> There are several commercial news providers that you can consider. You
>> may want to check out some options at
>
> If Verison told me this, I would tell them a good option is Comcast,
> which provides GREAT newsgroup service via a free Giganews account.
Comcast's free Giganews access is limited to 2GB per month. If you're
interested in binaries, that limit will be hit very quickly.
> There is a rather large war going on for your ISP dollar between Verison
> and Comcast. I would not hesitate to let Verison know I was switching
> to Comcast if they were limiting my newsgroup access, and let them know
> why. On the other hand, if no one really cares, why should they provide
> something you don't care about...
>
---- Posted via Pronews.com - Premium Corporate Usenet News Provider ----
http://www.pronews.com offers corporate packages that have access to 100,000+ newsgroups
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:fIdbk.492$HY.325@trnddc01:
>
> "Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>SNIP
>>
>> You're better off with another Usenet provider. Thankfully, you
>> don't have to stick to Verizon's services for Usenet. (Go ahead and
>> call Verizon and tell them you don't want to pay for a service
>> they've made unusable for you. Maybe you'll get a few bucks off your
>> internet, probably not.)
>>
>> Puckdropper
>> --
>
> My only viable alternative is Comcast. That doesn't warm the cockles
> of my heart.
>
> I wouldn't be as upset, but I'm having connectivity problems that
> Verizon can't or will not fix.
> I'm on the verge of backing up my hard drive and re-formatting my hard
> drive to see if that helps. It's been over a year since I did that.
> After that, if I still have connectivity issues, I will change isp.
> Unfortunately, I am captive to Verizon for dsl. :-)
>
> Thanks
>
There may be a few other options for Internet... I've heard of land-based
wireless where you point a transmitter at a tower atop a grain elevator
or something and it's faster than dialup and not so high latency as
Satellite. I've done no research in to them, though.
Good luck, spotty fast internet is worse than reliable slow internet.
Puckdropper
--
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To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm
Jay R wrote:
> In the email I got from Verizon, they said that attempting to access the
> binaries through third party news services violates their terms of service
> as well.
>
You must have misread their announcement. They tell you to use a
commercial news service if you wish to access news groups they don't
carry, provided it is legal to do so.
"If I want to access Newsgroups different from the ones you carry, what
are my options?
There are several commercial news providers that you can consider. You
may want to check out some options at
http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm.
The content available, posting policies, terms and prices will vary, so
you should select the one that is right for you. If you elect to access
a non-Verizon newsgroup over the Verizon Network, our terms of service
and acceptable use policy will still apply to your use of our Service."
http://netservices.verizon.net/portal/link/main/announcement?linkflag=user_dsl_primary_east_undecided&id=newgroup_06_12_08
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > What service are you using to access the binary news groups?
> Agent newsreader
Agent newsreader is not the service, it's just a software program designed
to access an online service.
Or, possibly you're talking about Agent Premium News,
http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php which *is* a service and the one I
happen to use. And yes, there's been a number of messages this June posted
in ABPW.
Jack Stein wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, you can't get Comcast without cable, and, you can't get Verizon TV
> and high speed internet without fiber. Verizon Fiber is competing with
> Comcast Cable for your TV, Internet and telephone dollar. Sooner or
> later they both will probably be knocking down your door to sell you all
> this stuff. Lucky me, they have both available where I live right now.
> I can't see Either of them dropping a service when under this sort of
> competition.
Comcast has been knocking (to get me back) on my door for 10 years. I
didn't say I _couldn't_ get cable! <G>
I _had_ cable, and ditched it 10 years ago for DirecTV.
I do have very good, very dependable, DSL, and don't see alt.binaries
access being worthy enough to change providers. I'd bet most broadband
customers will see it in a similar light.
I won't ever see FIOS, as I'm not in Verizon wireline territory, but I
will see at&t UVerse. Someday... My neighbors already have it.
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:FYg9k.44$HY.36@trnddc01...
> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any posts. I've been looking
> using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting images these days?
There have been 4 posts on a.b.p.f during June. Most of the recent posts that I have seen there
have also been posted to a.b.p.w
"Lowell Holmes" wrote in message
> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any
> posts. I've been looking using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting
> images these days?
For those whose ISP is not censoring them, or who have 3rd party nntp
service: "alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking"
Still active ... there have been 196 posts in June to date in abpw.
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Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Just Wondering wrote:
> Jack Stein wrote:
>> Nova wrote:
>>
>>> "If I want to access Newsgroups different from the ones you carry,
>>> what are my options?
>>>
>>> There are several commercial news providers that you can consider.
>>> You may want to check out some options at
>>
>> If Verison told me this, I would tell them a good option is Comcast,
>> which provides GREAT newsgroup service via a free Giganews account.
>
> Comcast's free Giganews access is limited to 2GB per month. If you're
> interested in binaries, that limit will be hit very quickly.
I'm VERY interested in binaries and I never hit the limit. Not sure
why, because with the number of binaries I was getting every day, I
should have hit it, but never did. At one time I was looking at
hundreds, possibly thousands of pictures every day, and never a whimper
from Comcast.
--
Jack
http://jbstein.com
"Lowell Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:FYg9k.44$HY.36@trnddc01...
> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any
> posts. I've been looking using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting
> images these days?
a.b.p.w.
Jack Stein wrote:
>>> If Verison told me this, I would tell them a good option is Comcast,
>>> which provides GREAT newsgroup service via a free Giganews account.
>>
>>
>> Comcast's free Giganews access is limited to 2GB per month. If you're
>> interested in binaries, that limit will be hit very quickly.
>
>
> I'm VERY interested in binaries and I never hit the limit. Not sure
> why, because with the number of binaries I was getting every day, I
> should have hit it, but never did. At one time I was looking at
> hundreds, possibly thousands of pictures every day, and never a whimper
> from Comcast.
>
A few years ago Verizon also gave up on managing there own newsgroup
service and they contracted with Giganews. There was no download limit
on Giganews' news server through a Verizon account.
A number of different ISP have recently dropped the "alt" groups. I'll
be surprised if Comcast doesn't follow suit.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Smaug Ichorfang wrote:
>> Just out of curiousity, what is a.b.p.f?
>> alt.binaries.pictures.???
>> fatso?
>> flatulance?
>> f-ups?
>> free-for-all?
>>
>> inquiring minds want to know
>
> Given the context, I would suspect "furniture".
>
> The OP might want to consider alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.
> Personally I just got a flickr account (it's free if you don't want to
> be able to display full 8 megapixel images).
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
The OP realizes his mistake. :-)
It is a.b.p.w.
I'm still upset about the change and probably will change providers. I'm
curious about EarthLink satellite service. I loose Verizon every time it
thunders anyway. Verizon's tech support technicians(?) are not very
knowledgeable. I suppose if I worked all night, I wouldn't be either.
a.b.p.f was/is alt.binaries.fun a cartoon specific site that is just
that. Seems to be a limited number of posters that had/have humorous
pictures to post
a.b.i.f. ,is a similar site. A group of posters that delve into
morphing/face changing and some darn funny cartoons (at times). These folks
have T-shirts and a map of where all the posters live,. conus and otherwise.
Never posted to it, but used to check in daily to see the new
cartoon/pictures, plus some neat background pics.
Bill
J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Smaug Ichorfang wrote:
>> Just out of curiousity, what is a.b.p.f?
>> alt.binaries.pictures.???
>> fatso?
>> flatulance?
>> f-ups?
>> free-for-all?
>>
>> inquiring minds want to know
>
> Given the context, I would suspect "furniture".
>
> The OP might want to consider alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.
> Personally I just got a flickr account (it's free if you don't want to
> be able to display full 8 megapixel images).
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>
>
Nova wrote:
> "If I want to access Newsgroups different from the ones you carry, what
> are my options?
>
> There are several commercial news providers that you can consider. You
> may want to check out some options at
If Verison told me this, I would tell them a good option is Comcast,
which provides GREAT newsgroup service via a free Giganews account.
There is a rather large war going on for your ISP dollar between Verison
and Comcast. I would not hesitate to let Verison know I was switching
to Comcast if they were limiting my newsgroup access, and let them know
why. On the other hand, if no one really cares, why should they provide
something you don't care about...
--
Jack
http://jbstein.com
> http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm.
> The content available, posting policies, terms and prices will vary, so
> you should select the one that is right for you. If you elect to access
> a non-Verizon newsgroup over the Verizon Network, our terms of service
> and acceptable use policy will still apply to your use of our Service."
>
> http://netservices.verizon.net/portal/link/main/announcement?linkflag=user_dsl_primary_east_undecided&id=newgroup_06_12_08
>
>
B A R R Y wrote:
> Jack Stein wrote:
>>
>>
>> If Verison told me this, I would tell them a good option is Comcast,
>> which provides GREAT newsgroup service via a free Giganews account.
>> There is a rather large war going on for your ISP dollar between
>> Verison and Comcast. I would not hesitate to let Verison know I was
>> switching to Comcast if they were limiting my newsgroup access, and
>> let them know why.
>
> A. You need to have cable TV to do that. Lots of us do not have cable
> TV. I've had DirecTV since 1997. I have DirecTV because my local
> Comcast operation's service was unbearable.
Yeah, you can't get Comcast without cable, and, you can't get Verizon TV
and high speed internet without fiber. Verizon Fiber is competing with
Comcast Cable for your TV, Internet and telephone dollar. Sooner or
later they both will probably be knocking down your door to sell you all
this stuff. Lucky me, they have both available where I live right now.
I can't see Either of them dropping a service when under this sort of
competition.
> B. The way the alt.binaries drop has been sold to the public, I would
> not be surprised if Comcast jumps on the bandwagon. Usenet is what?
> .00005% of an ISP's access, but the "taking a stand against kiddie porn"
> argument will will go far in corporate ISP marketing departments.
Yes, that is scary, but on the other hand, what percentage of your
internet dollar goes to giganews? I don't know myself, but I bet it's
not much.
--
Jack
http://jbstein.com
Not just Verizon dropped the alt.binaries, I understand Time Warner has done
the same thing.
In the email I got from Verizon, they said that attempting to access the
binaries through third party news services violates their terms of service
as well.
I would be curious to see whether they find a way to block access through
the news services.
Also Comcast is testing service based on download amounts somewhere in TX.
Before I spent any money on a news service, I would confirm that you can get
where you want to go.
Verizon has preserved access to what they call the Big 8.
I wonder if there is a way to get a pix site set up in rec.* somewhere?
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pgq9k.55$K%2.32@trnddc02...
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any
>> posts. I've been looking using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting
>> images these days?
>
> Are you talking about not seeing post to this news group or the binary
> groups? This group's traffic have been slightly below normal. If it's
> the binaries, your email address indicates you have Verizon for an ISP.
> What service are you using to access the binary news groups?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected]
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pgq9k.55$K%2.32@trnddc02...
> Lowell Holmes wrote:
>> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any
>> posts. I've been looking using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting
>> images these days?
>
> Are you talking about not seeing post to this news group or the binary
> groups? This group's traffic have been slightly below normal. If it's
> the binaries, your email address indicates you have Verizon for an ISP.
> What service are you using to access the binary news groups?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> [email protected]
Agent newsreader
Smaug Ichorfang <[email protected]> wrote in news:Xns9ACFA04CD560goblinbiter@
207.115.33.102:
> Just out of curiousity, what is a.b.p.f?
> alt.binaries.pictures.???
> fatso?
> flatulance?
> f-ups?
> free-for-all?
>
> inquiring minds want to know
>
Maybe ....furniture
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>SNIP
>
> You're better off with another Usenet provider. Thankfully, you don't
> have to stick to Verizon's services for Usenet. (Go ahead and call
> Verizon and tell them you don't want to pay for a service they've made
> unusable for you. Maybe you'll get a few bucks off your internet,
> probably not.)
>
> Puckdropper
> --
My only viable alternative is Comcast. That doesn't warm the cockles of my
heart.
I wouldn't be as upset, but I'm having connectivity problems that Verizon
can't or will not fix.
I'm on the verge of backing up my hard drive and re-formatting my hard drive
to see if that helps. It's been over a year since I did that. After that, if
I still have connectivity issues, I will change isp. Unfortunately, I am
captive to Verizon for dsl. :-)
Thanks
Smaug Ichorfang wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, what is a.b.p.f?
> alt.binaries.pictures.???
> fatso?
> flatulance?
> f-ups?
> free-for-all?
>
> inquiring minds want to know
Given the context, I would suspect "furniture".
The OP might want to consider alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking.
Personally I just got a flickr account (it's free if you don't want to
be able to display full 8 megapixel images).
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any
> posts. I've been looking using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting
> images these days?
Yep it's dead for me. Verizon customer, Just checked. But I have been using
Mortz news server. No binaries though, oh well.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
Lowell Holmes wrote:
> Since RR and Verizon dropped the binaries news groups, I don't see any
> posts. I've been looking using Forte Agent. Where are wreckers posting
> images these days?
>
>
Are you talking about not seeing post to this news group or the binary
groups? This group's traffic have been slightly below normal. If it's
the binaries, your email address indicates you have Verizon for an ISP.
What service are you using to access the binary news groups?
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
Jack Stein wrote:
>
>
> If Verison told me this, I would tell them a good option is Comcast,
> which provides GREAT newsgroup service via a free Giganews account.
> There is a rather large war going on for your ISP dollar between Verison
> and Comcast. I would not hesitate to let Verison know I was switching
> to Comcast if they were limiting my newsgroup access, and let them know
> why.
A. You need to have cable TV to do that. Lots of us do not have cable
TV. I've had DirecTV since 1997. I have DirecTV because my local
Comcast operation's service was unbearable.
B. The way the alt.binaries drop has been sold to the public, I would
not be surprised if Comcast jumps on the bandwagon. Usenet is what?
.00005% of an ISP's access, but the "taking a stand against kiddie porn"
argument will will go far in corporate ISP marketing departments.