DW

"Dan White"

19/12/2004 12:19 PM

OT: Turning stainless into copper

Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it look
like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I have
doubts...

dwhite


This topic has 17 replies

DW

"Dan White"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 10:11 PM


"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Try the following URL
> <http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/index.html>
> Let me know how it goes if you try it.
> Glen
>

Thanks Glen. I actually have a rather large amount to do, but I'll give it
a further looking into. If I use this kit I will get back to you.

dwhite

Ga

"Glen"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 2:57 PM

Do a google search on Electroplating and you will find some kits. I
don't remember the URL I found, but kits with everything you needed for
a small project ran about $30 including an electrical device to charge
the object you are plating and the chemical solution that contains the
copper to plate. I am planning on applying new plating to some of my
planes. Good luck.

Ga

"Glen"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 3:02 PM

Try the following URL
<http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/index.html>
Let me know how it goes if you try it.
Glen

jj

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

20/12/2004 7:20 AM


Dan White wrote:
> Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making
it look
> like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I
have
> doubts...
>
> dwhite

seen lots of powder coated crafts items lately that were made to look
like copper with some patina added. It was torch cut steel to start but
looked very nice after coating.
jaime

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 5:09 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Dan White
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it look
> like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I have
> doubts...

Isn't copper cheaper than stainless? Sounds like making cherry look
like pine...

DW

"Dan White"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

20/12/2004 12:37 AM


"Bruce" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> A poster replied that it was called "rub -n- buff" or something similar.
> Check your local arts and crafts store. It was in smallish acrylic paint
> tubes. Stainless usually has a rough surface so it should adhere quite
well.
> You could then spray it with a clear lacquer type finish to protect it.
The
> cost for lots of square footage would probably be high, but way less then
> true plating.
>
> This may be the stuff here:
> http://www.goldingcraft.com/rubnbuf.htm
>

That looks more my speed than plating. I don't want to remove the pieces I
need to make look like copper.

thanks,
dwhite

sS

[email protected] (Sbtypesetter)

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

20/12/2004 3:32 AM

Take it to an electroplater. The copper
is the substrate for chrome. A lot of the
money involved in plating is in the prep
work and buffing. Do this yourself, have
the plater do the copper and it should be reasonable. BTW...copper will look
very
beautiful for a very short time. You'll need
to spray it with an occlusive clear finish
to keep the bright look.

-Rick

Sd

Silvan

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

21/12/2004 12:06 PM

Dan White wrote:

> OK thanks. I'm gathering that not too many have tried paint on type
> copper. I'm not sure that I really need a perfect real copper finish, just
> something
> that has a copper look to it that doesn't look cheap or tacky. I'll have
> to check into the electroplating idea, too.

I thought I answered that already? Maybe not. I've used the paint stuff.
It makes what you paint look like what you painted covered with copperish
paint. It doesn't much resemble copper, though it's definitely copperish.

It degrades to dingy grayish brown bleah very quickly with exposure to air.
Like on the order of days or less. To protect it, you'd need to top coat
it, but the copper is so fragile it won't stand up to it. I've tried spray
lacquer (Deft), spray poly, and some spray "acryclic" craft stuff my wife
had. I've also tried brushing poly and shellac. They all have the same
effect. The copper comes right off. With the sprays the copper runs right
off, leaving you with clear coated substrate with a little copperishness
toward the bottom. With the brush, you just get a smeary mess.

All in all, I'd say it ain't what you're looking for in this application.
It's really expensive paint too; especially considering how useless it is.

--
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Bb

Bruce

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 8:59 PM


>
> OK thanks. I'm gathering that not too many have tried paint on type copper.
> I'm not sure that I really need a perfect real copper finish, just something
> that has a copper look to it that doesn't look cheap or tacky. I'll have to
> check into the electroplating idea, too.
>
> dwhite
>
>

A few weeks ago someone here was looking for a good "gold" plating. I
remembered something from my modeling days that applied as a rub on paste
(basically a thick paint in a tube). After it dried, you could buff it out
with a soft cloth for an excellent silver, gold, and yes, copper.
A poster replied that it was called "rub -n- buff" or something similar.
Check your local arts and crafts store. It was in smallish acrylic paint
tubes. Stainless usually has a rough surface so it should adhere quite well.
You could then spray it with a clear lacquer type finish to protect it. The
cost for lots of square footage would probably be high, but way less then
true plating.

This may be the stuff here:
http://www.goldingcraft.com/rubnbuf.htm

-Bruce

mX

[email protected] (Xane T.)

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

23/12/2004 7:21 PM

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:19:46 -0500, "Dan White"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it look
>like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I have
>doubts...
>
>dwhite

One thing I've used in the past is DecoArt Patio Paint (you can find
it in the craft section of Wal-Mart these days). I used the copper one
on a giant piece of PVC pipe to make it look like a giant piece of
copper pipe (sponge painted to look patina) to make a tabletop
fountain with. From a distance it looks like a real copper pipe. The
bottle says for concrete/wood/terra cotta (i.e. porous surfaces), so
if you use it on metal, you might want to prime it. I didn't prime the
PVC though and it still looks fine about three years later, even after
being under water.

DW

"Dave W"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

20/12/2004 8:19 AM

Hello Dan,
In the sailboat world, stainless is now the metal easiest to get for
fabricated fittings. Many of us prefer the look of aged bronze. The
solution, found by accident, is to have the shiny stainless lightly
sandblasted and then exposed to sea water. In a month or so, it looks
bronzelike. Hope this helps.
Dave



JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 11:38 PM

Dave Balderstone wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Dan White
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it
>> look
>> like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I have
>> doubts...
>
> Isn't copper cheaper than stainless? Sounds like making cherry look
> like pine...

Hardly. Price copper cookware vs stainless.

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

rr

rllipham

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 6:40 PM

Is that alchemy or witch craft?


On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:19:46 -0500, "Dan White"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it look
>like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I have
>doubts...
>
>dwhite
>

DW

"Dan White"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 10:18 PM

"Dave Balderstone" <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in message
news:191220041709296921%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca...
> In article <[email protected]>, Dan White
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it
look
> > like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I
have
> > doubts...
>
> Isn't copper cheaper than stainless? Sounds like making cherry look
> like pine...

Maybe, but aren't there situations where pine is a better fit than cherry?
I'm renovating a store and the stainless look doesn't fit anymore. I
certainly could live with it, but copper will bring out other copper accents
I have in the flooring and walls.

dwhite

DW

"Dan White"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

23/12/2004 4:39 PM

"Xane T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 12:19:46 -0500, "Dan White"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Anybody have any experience with taking brushed stainless and making it
look
> >like copper? I picked up some copper paint and will try that, but I have
> >doubts...
> >
> >dwhite
>
> One thing I've used in the past is DecoArt Patio Paint (you can find
> it in the craft section of Wal-Mart these days). I used the copper one
> on a giant piece of PVC pipe to make it look like a giant piece of
> copper pipe (sponge painted to look patina) to make a tabletop
> fountain with. From a distance it looks like a real copper pipe. The
> bottle says for concrete/wood/terra cotta (i.e. porous surfaces), so
> if you use it on metal, you might want to prime it. I didn't prime the
> PVC though and it still looks fine about three years later, even after
> being under water.

Well the stainless in my application is above head level, and more of it is
in parts of the ceiling, so it doesn't have to look perfect up close. I'll
give that one a look, too.

Thanks,
dwhite

DW

"Dan White"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

19/12/2004 10:39 PM

"Sbtypesetter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Take it to an electroplater. The copper
> is the substrate for chrome. A lot of the
> money involved in plating is in the prep
> work and buffing. Do this yourself, have
> the plater do the copper and it should be reasonable. BTW...copper will
look
> very
> beautiful for a very short time. You'll need
> to spray it with an occlusive clear finish
> to keep the bright look.
>

OK thanks. I'm gathering that not too many have tried paint on type copper.
I'm not sure that I really need a perfect real copper finish, just something
that has a copper look to it that doesn't look cheap or tacky. I'll have to
check into the electroplating idea, too.

dwhite

DW

"Dan White"

in reply to "Dan White" on 19/12/2004 12:19 PM

22/12/2004 5:17 PM

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dan White wrote:
>
> > OK thanks. I'm gathering that not too many have tried paint on type
> > copper. I'm not sure that I really need a perfect real copper finish,
just
> > something
> > that has a copper look to it that doesn't look cheap or tacky. I'll
have
> > to check into the electroplating idea, too.
>
> I thought I answered that already? Maybe not. I've used the paint stuff.
> It makes what you paint look like what you painted covered with copperish
> paint. It doesn't much resemble copper, though it's definitely copperish.
>
snip

Thanks. I painted a test piece today and it does resemble copper pretty
well. I'm waiting to see how it looks in a couple of days though...and of
course I'll see if the copper comes right off when trying to protect it with
a clear coat.

dwhite


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