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02/03/2004 6:11 AM

Traditional Raised Panel vs. Raised Panel with Backcutter bits

I'm looking to purchase a raised panel bit and I'm not sure if I
should purchase the raised panel bit with backcutter, or just the
traditional raised panel bit. I'm leaning towards the one with the
backcutter but I'm not sure if there are any drawbacks to these bits.
Can you remove the backcutter portion of the bit?


This topic has 5 replies

BR

"Bernard Randall"

in reply to [email protected] (x071907) on 02/03/2004 6:11 AM

02/03/2004 10:13 AM

I have just completed arched raised panel doors. Initially I bought
Woodcraft bits separately but found that the panel bit can only produce the
profile if the panel is above the stile and rails. Woodcraft replaced them
and I bought a 3 piece CMT set, a little more expensive than the Woodcraft
but comes in a nice box, has instructions and a bag with a different size
bearing and fit shims.

I cut my panels with the backcutter fitted, which has some disadvantages in
a home shop. This is a router table only operation, the bit has a 3 1/2
diamater. My table is 3/4 birch ply extension to the table saw and is 34"
wide. The problem comes in how flat is the panel, how much flex is there in
the table and can you keep a constant down pressure as the stock passes the
cutter head? I cut the profile in typically 3 passes and found it difficult
to maintain that constant downward pressure on all cuts, which sometimes
results in a less than perfect mitre at the corners. Also as the pressure
points can change at different points on successive passes the tongue
thickness will be slightly different. Change in downward pressure does not
significantly affect the reveal and shows up as a variation of thickness on
the backcut, but in my case was hidden within the grooves. This was one
time I wish I had a stock feeder, but that wouldn't help on the arched
profile.

I have to say I was very impressed with the quality of cut of the CMT set,
router set to minimum speed.

Hope this helps.

Bernard R

"x071907" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm looking to purchase a raised panel bit and I'm not sure if I
> should purchase the raised panel bit with backcutter, or just the
> traditional raised panel bit. I'm leaning towards the one with the
> backcutter but I'm not sure if there are any drawbacks to these bits.
> Can you remove the backcutter portion of the bit?

ER

"Eric Ryder"

in reply to [email protected] (x071907) on 02/03/2004 6:11 AM

02/03/2004 3:23 PM


"x071907" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm looking to purchase a raised panel bit and I'm not sure if I
> should purchase the raised panel bit with backcutter, or just the
> traditional raised panel bit. I'm leaning towards the one with the
> backcutter but I'm not sure if there are any drawbacks to these bits.
> Can you remove the backcutter portion of the bit?

The plus to the backcutter is that you can work with variable thickness
panels and still get the preferred panel raise. I've got several panel
cutters that will leave the raise flush with the stiles/rails using 5/8"
panels, and others with 3/4" panels. If I use the 5/8" (low raise angle)
ones on 3/4" panels, it ends up proud the 1/8" and cannot be surfaced
easily.

Since I usually am building "one-ofs", the backcutter sets save me time
preparing properly thicknessed stock. FWIW, I have a 12-1/2" planer and no
drum sander.

ER

"Eric Ryder"

in reply to [email protected] (x071907) on 02/03/2004 6:11 AM

02/03/2004 3:16 PM

snip
The problem comes in how flat is the panel, how much flex is there in
> the table and can you keep a constant down pressure as the stock passes
the
> cutter head? I cut the profile in typically 3 passes and found it
difficult
> to maintain that constant downward pressure on all cuts, which sometimes
> results in a less than perfect mitre at the corners. Also as the pressure
> points can change at different points on successive passes the tongue
> thickness will be slightly different. Change in downward pressure does
not
> significantly affect the reveal and shows up as a variation of thickness
on
> the backcut, but in my case was hidden within the grooves. This was one
> time I wish I had a stock feeder, but that wouldn't help on the arched
> profile.
> snip


I learned that lesson. There's no substitute for a deadass flat,
superstrong table. I've also learned the alue of proper stock preparation
the hard way:(

MG

"Mike G"

in reply to [email protected] (x071907) on 02/03/2004 6:11 AM

02/03/2004 6:08 PM

If you use a panel bit with back cutter and are going to do cathedral arch
panes it gets REAL interesting when that bit hits the inside up hill curve.

--
Mike G.
[email protected]
Heirloom Woods
www.heirloom-woods.net
"x071907" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm looking to purchase a raised panel bit and I'm not sure if I
> should purchase the raised panel bit with backcutter, or just the
> traditional raised panel bit. I'm leaning towards the one with the
> backcutter but I'm not sure if there are any drawbacks to these bits.
> Can you remove the backcutter portion of the bit?

KS

"Kevin Singleton"

in reply to [email protected] (x071907) on 02/03/2004 6:11 AM

02/03/2004 9:19 AM

I looked at these, too. I decided, for the difference in cost, I can easily
set up a straight cutter to create a rabbet, if I need one, and I have more
control over the dimensions.

I don't think you can remove the back cutter.

Kevin
"x071907" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm looking to purchase a raised panel bit and I'm not sure if I
> should purchase the raised panel bit with backcutter, or just the
> traditional raised panel bit. I'm leaning towards the one with the
> backcutter but I'm not sure if there are any drawbacks to these bits.
> Can you remove the backcutter portion of the bit?


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