On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:06:17 -0500, Iraxl Enb <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I googled the old posts on this news group but couldnt find
>anything conclusive...
>
>Is there any linux-based free 3d design software that folks here use?
>
>Thanks,
>irax.
Of course not. that's one of the reasons that Normal People do not
use Linux (nor any other software named after a Peanuts Character).
(Oh My, I hear the pitter pattering footsteps of the Linux Loonies in
the distance. As the natives often say in other comic strips,
"Ayiieeee !!")
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 00:33:18 GMT, "Doug Winterburn"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:12:16 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
>
>
>> Akshully I was just having some fun. I've got an older box that I
>> replaced a month or so ago and, once I get a cheapo monitor for it,
>> I'm gonna have a go at this Linux stuff.
>>
>> Still, when it comes to bidness apps, my heart (and wallet) belong to
>> Bill.
>
>Any ones in particular? Mebee I can find some functional equivalents that
>will spare your wallet and/or vital organs.
>
>-Doug
I don't have a plan yet, Doug. I thought that I'd put Linux on this
233 that I have laying around, just to see what it was like.
I took a long time switching from CPM to DOS and an even longer time
switching from DOS to Win 3.1.
Hell, some days I still miss CPM.
I loved that "Global Search And Destroy" command.
(although I don't miss Wordstar 1.0)
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Irax,
You might have better luck looking in some of the alt.linux newsgroups,
or alt.os.linux etc..
but I do have a couple of URLs to linux software map pages from when
I used to work with Unix at Lucent Tech. in the Bell Laboratories unit:
http://www.boutell.com/lsm/
http://www.ibiblio.org/
Good luck
Iraxl Enb wrote:
> I googled the old posts on this news group but couldnt find anything
> conclusive...
>
> Is there any linux-based free 3d design software that folks here use?
>
> Thanks,
> irax.
>
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Glad you made it out in one piece!
Thanks for the links.
irax.
Bob Kuphal wrote:
> Irax,
>
> You might have better luck looking in some of the alt.linux newsgroups,
> or alt.os.linux etc..
> but I do have a couple of URLs to linux software map pages from when
> I used to work with Unix at Lucent Tech. in the Bell Laboratories unit:
>
> http://www.boutell.com/lsm/
> http://www.ibiblio.org/
>
> Good luck
>
> Iraxl Enb wrote:
>
>> I googled the old posts on this news group but couldnt find anything
>> conclusive...
>>
>> Is there any linux-based free 3d design software that folks here use?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> irax.
>>
>
>
Yep, Got out in 2001 when Lucent was doing their first big cut back,
and did it via offering early retirement packages... WHEW ..
As they say: "take the first one, the next ones will be worse...!"
Nova wrote:
> Bob Kuphal wrote:
>
>
>>I used to work with Unix at Lucent Tech. in the Bell Laboratories unit:
>
>
> Since you mentioned Lucent / Bell Labs am I safe in assuming after
> February, 1996?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
>
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Ya, me too, took the early retirement in 2001, I was going to retire
the next year anyway..... We just had to rush selling the house and
moving to the retirement place a little faster than expected...
Iraxl Enb wrote:
> Glad you made it out in one piece!
>
> Thanks for the links.
>
> irax.
>
> Bob Kuphal wrote:
>
>> Irax,
>>
>> You might have better luck looking in some of the alt.linux newsgroups,
>> or alt.os.linux etc..
>> but I do have a couple of URLs to linux software map pages from when
>> I used to work with Unix at Lucent Tech. in the Bell Laboratories unit:
>>
>> http://www.boutell.com/lsm/
>> http://www.ibiblio.org/
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Iraxl Enb wrote:
>>
>>> I googled the old posts on this news group but couldnt find anything
>>> conclusive...
>>>
>>> Is there any linux-based free 3d design software that folks here use?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> irax.
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Well, worked for AT&T Bell Labs starting in 1968 or so, then for
Lucent Bell Labs after the breakup, retired in 2001......
Nova wrote:
> Bob Kuphal wrote:
>
>
>>I used to work with Unix at Lucent Tech. in the Bell Laboratories unit:
>
>
> Since you mentioned Lucent / Bell Labs am I safe in assuming after
> February, 1996?
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
>
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Nova,
Worked at Naperville Illinois the whole time, MANY trips to NJ and all
their sites. Worked real close with the "former factories" at CB and
OakCity. Did factory interface software/procedures/processes etc...
Most everyone I knew are going now, one way or another, via factory
closings, retirement and layoffs.. tooooo bad..
Nova wrote:
> Bob Kuphal wrote:
>
>
>>Well, worked for AT&T Bell Labs starting in 1968 or so, then for
>>Lucent Bell Labs after the breakup, retired in 2001......
>
>
> I've been a tech with AT&T since '69. Still hanging in there, missin' you
> guys.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
>
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My son worked for Moto in Schaumberg Illinois, for a few years afer
collage, got laid off about 1 1/2 years ago, just dropped the whole
department, now works for a smaller company north east of
"Lake in the Hills" works as system admin for the main office complex..
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:12:03 +0000, Nova wrote:
>
>
> Talk about being deserving of the "Iron Man" award...
>
> I bailed from Moto in '98 on a yummy VSP program after 23 years, but now that the
> grandson of the founder has "retired" as CEO, maybe they have a chance at
> a turn around.
>
> -Doug
>
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Bob Kuphal wrote:
> Nova,
>
> Worked at Naperville Illinois the whole time, MANY trips to NJ and all
> their sites. Worked real close with the "former factories" at CB and
> OakCity. Did factory interface software/procedures/processes etc...
> Most everyone I knew are going now, one way or another, via factory
> closings, retirement and layoffs.. tooooo bad..
I hear you. After 34 years, they still call me the new kid. ;-)
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
If ya see my name or initials (RDK) on some old "L" drawings, don't
blame me !!!!!!! :-) Used to work in the "drafting" department
for awhile.. Then we started computer aided drawing and that sent
me in the software/programming etc.. direction..
Nice talking to ya...
Nova wrote:
> Bob Kuphal wrote:
>
>
>>Nova,
>>
>>Worked at Naperville Illinois the whole time, MANY trips to NJ and all
>>their sites. Worked real close with the "former factories" at CB and
>>OakCity. Did factory interface software/procedures/processes etc...
>>Most everyone I knew are going now, one way or another, via factory
>>closings, retirement and layoffs.. tooooo bad..
>
>
> I hear you. After 34 years, they still call me the new kid. ;-)
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
>
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:00:24 +0000, McQualude wrote:
> Doug Winterburn spaketh...
>
>> Not 3D, but free and works for me:
>>
>> http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
>
> Not free either
Better check the site again. Even the source is available for download.
I picked up the RedHat RPM at:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/qcad/qcad-1.5.4-3.redhat.i386.rpm
-Doug
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:12:16 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
> Akshully I was just having some fun. I've got an older box that I
> replaced a month or so ago and, once I get a cheapo monitor for it,
> I'm gonna have a go at this Linux stuff.
Akshully, you don't need no steenkin' monitor/keyboard/mouse for the older
box once you get linux installed and if both boxes are networked. Just install a VNC server on the Linux
box and a VNC client on yur windoze box - free of course :-)
Here's the link: http://www.realvnc.com/
-Doug
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 01:12:03 +0000, Nova wrote:
> Bob Kuphal wrote:
>
>> Well, worked for AT&T Bell Labs starting in 1968 or so, then for
>> Lucent Bell Labs after the breakup, retired in 2001......
>
> I've been a tech with AT&T since '69. Still hanging in there, missin' you
> guys.
Talk about being deserving of the "Iron Man" award...
I bailed from Moto in '98 on a yummy VSP program after 23 years, but now that the
grandson of the founder has "retired" as CEO, maybe they have a chance at
a turn around.
-Doug
Tom Watson wrote:
> I took a long time switching from CPM to DOS and an even longer time
> switching from DOS to Win 3.1.
Thankfully, I didn't have to suffer through the early versions of Windows; I
went from DOS to OS/2 and stayed there for years (I work at IBM and I still run
it there, along with Linux and Win2000).
> Hell, some days I still miss CPM.
Loved it. Ever heard of "TurboDOS"? It was a CP/M workalike, and far superior
Ran it in the early 80's on Z80 Televideo hardware.
> (although I don't miss Wordstar 1.0)
I do. I still drive my VisualSlick text editor with a modified Wordstar
keyboard mapping.
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
> I googled the old posts on this news group but couldnt find
> anything conclusive...
>
> Is there any linux-based free 3d design software that folks here use?
>
> Thanks,
> irax.
>
>
Irax,
Check out the Linux CAD free list at
http://www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/webpage?webpage_id=cad-linux
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Rick
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Doug Winterburn spaketh...
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:00:24 +0000, McQualude wrote:
>
>> Doug Winterburn spaketh...
>>
>>> Not 3D, but free and works for me:
>>>
>>> http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
>>
>> Not free either
> Better check the site again. Even the source is available for
> download.
> I picked up the RedHat RPM at:
>
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/qcad/qcad-1.5.4-3.redhat.i386.rpm
>
> -Doug
I'll take your word for it, but here is the text from their website:
Windows
qcad_2_0_0_8_demo_win32.zip (6MB)
QCad binary for 32bit Windows.
All libraries are statically linked in. No Qt required.
Demo version - terminates after 10min.
The Professional version is available for a small license fee from here.
Doesn't sound free to me.
[update: ok, I see, the source code is GPL'd, but the binaries require a
license fee. I emailed them for clarification on this]
--
McQualude
Tom Watson wrote:
> Akshully I was just having some fun. I've got an older box that I
> replaced a month or so ago and, once I get a cheapo monitor for it,
> I'm gonna have a go at this Linux stuff.
Lemme know if you have trouble when you do. I don't currently subscribe to
the Linux groups because... Well, I guess I just *use* the damn stuff, and
I got tired of *talking* about it all the time.
Anyway, I'd be happy to help you through any trouble spots, and my e-mail
address works.
Think of it as payback for all those touching stories. :)
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:06:17 -0500, Iraxl Enb wrote:
> I googled the old posts on this news group but couldnt find
> anything conclusive...
>
> Is there any linux-based free 3d design software that folks here use?
...or maybe you can find something here:
http://www.tech-edv.co.at/lunix/CADlinks.html
-Doug
Tom Watson wrote:
> Of course not. that's one of the reasons that Normal People do not
> use Linux (nor any other software named after a Peanuts Character).
>
> (Oh My, I hear the pitter pattering footsteps of the Linux Loonies in
> the distance. As the natives often say in other comic strips,
> "Ayiieeee !!")
You'll love this one then, Tom:
http://www.romanpoet.org/112/switchlinux.swf
And yes, I'm a fanatical Linux zealot, just for the record. I can laugh
about it. While you're at it, try:
windows-rg.swf
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In article <[email protected]>,
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>If you're into minimalist stuff, you may be fine with that. If you want
>Linux to look and behave something like your current Windows box, ...
I don't know if I want my Linux box to have all the bugs and security
"features" of Windows...
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Tom Watson wrote:
> I don't have a plan yet, Doug. I thought that I'd put Linux on this
> 233 that I have laying around, just to see what it was like.
Can I offer a suggestion?
If you're into this new fancy graphical eye candy stuff, you're going to be
sorely disappointed in Linux if you put it on that hamster-powered box.
I've tried both KDE and GNOME (graphical desktop environments) on a 233,
and they were both pretty dismal. You can run some of the lighter window
managers (eg IceWM, fluxbox, etc.) on such a beast, and a lot of people
like those, but they don't IMHO showcase Linuxdom at its finest level of
wasteful eyecandy and pretty resource-sucking pointy clicky goodness.
If you're into minimalist stuff, you may be fine with that. If you want
Linux to look and behave something like your current Windows box, you might
find that the stuff you can run comfortably on that old machine will look
somewhat lame.
In that case, I would recommend that you try Knoppix. Boot it on your main,
fast computer and give Linux a fair chance to impress you with the maximal
level of silly eye candy. Knoppix is a self-contained, Debian-based distro
that runs off of a compressed CD, and doesn't require you to install
anything to your hard drive.
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-old-en.html
Looks like you better get it now. The main page has some blather about how
the EU is considering adopting software patents, and they say the Knoppix
project is suspended for the time being.
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:12:16 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
> Akshully I was just having some fun. I've got an older box that I
> replaced a month or so ago and, once I get a cheapo monitor for it,
> I'm gonna have a go at this Linux stuff.
>
> Still, when it comes to bidness apps, my heart (and wallet) belong to
> Bill.
Any ones in particular? Mebee I can find some functional equivalents that
will spare your wallet and/or vital organs.
-Doug
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:59:38 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>And yes, I'm a fanatical Linux zealot, just for the record. I can laugh
>about it. While you're at it, try:
>
>windows-rg.swf
Akshully I was just having some fun. I've got an older box that I
replaced a month or so ago and, once I get a cheapo monitor for it,
I'm gonna have a go at this Linux stuff.
Still, when it comes to bidness apps, my heart (and wallet) belong to
Bill.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
Mike Iglesias wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>If you're into minimalist stuff, you may be fine with that. If you want
>>Linux to look and behave something like your current Windows box, ...
>
> I don't know if I want my Linux box to have all the bugs and security
> "features" of Windows...
I was talking purely user interface stuff.
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:14:46 +0000, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 03:00:24 +0000, McQualude wrote:
>
>> Doug Winterburn spaketh...
>>
>>> Not 3D, but free and works for me:
>>>
>>> http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
>>
>> Not free either
> Better check the site again. Even the source is available for download.
> I picked up the RedHat RPM at:
>
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/qcad/qcad-1.5.4-3.redhat.i386.rpm
I just compiled 2.0 from source. It was pretty easy to compile and it
seems to be a big improvement over 1.5 from what I've seen so far.
--
Joe Wells
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 15:09:47 -0400, Tom Watson wrote:
> I don't have a plan yet, Doug. I thought that I'd put Linux on this 233
> that I have laying around, just to see what it was like.
Have a care, though, Tom - lots of recent Linux distributions need more
power that that if you're going to use the pretty desktops 'n' stuff. If
you're fixin' to take a mem'ry trip down Command Line Lane, you may do
fine, depending on how many roses you plan to sniff along the way. (I've
got an old 400MHz laptop with 192MB of RAM that's pretty pokey if I'm
using much of anything in the Red Hat 9 GUI.)
> Hell, some days I still miss CPM.
Several drug companies have products to assist with this problem. I'm told
one doesn't even miss one's libido.
> (although I don't miss Wordstar 1.0)
Now, didja have to go there? I just pulled some old files off some disks
my dad had lying around - he could no longer access them due to media size
(5.25" disks) and file format (WordStar). Believe it or not, you can still
get an import filter for Microsoft Word that'll import WordStar files.
OpenOffice, unfortunately, does not seem to have the same functionality
(though I thought I recalled seeing that in StarOffice 5.x).
Woodworking-related content - I gave Dad the converted files, and he gave
me my grandfather's Stanley Sweetheart plane. Wish I had more files to
convert!
On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:13:37 +0000, Buttonhole McGee wrote:
> (I've
> got an old 400MHz laptop with 192MB of RAM that's pretty pokey if I'm
> using much of anything in the Red Hat 9 GUI.)
Red Hat's stock kernels haven't been the speediest lately. Try rolling
your own with the preemptive patch and see how it does.
--
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> Have a care, though, Tom - lots of recent Linux distributions need more
> power that that if you're going to use the pretty desktops 'n' stuff. If
> you're fixin' to take a mem'ry trip down Command Line Lane, you may do
> fine, depending on how many roses you plan to sniff along the way. (I've
> got an old 400MHz laptop with 192MB of RAM that's pretty pokey if I'm
> using much of anything in the Red Hat 9 GUI.)
I some times get frustrated with people I know, they put linux on the
cheapest, oldest, poorest computer they own and complain because it is not
as fast as their Windows box which has the latest hardware. On the other
hand the few people I know that tried installing the later versions of
SuSE on their good boxes were pleasantly surprised how nice and easy the
install went. I still keep OS/2 on a partition but admit I haven't used it
since about 98. The only windows program I ever use is Quicken and it works
fine in linux (using Crossover). I haven't tried and cad programs yet , but
have seen some free woodworking plans in a cad format , so perhaps I should
start looking for a cad program as well.
I caught this thread a little late, what is the better cad program for
linux?
joe