http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-do-so-many-Republicans-think-Obama-is-a-socialist-a-Muslim-or-even-the-anti-Christ
Really? When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
Desperate much?
D'ohBoy
"Megan Kinzler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Grow up. Talk facts. Skip the emotions.
Damn, so you do irony too, impressive.
In news:[email protected],
Nonny <[email protected]>spewed forth:
> Yup, anyone who doesn't walk lock-step with Obamy and the libs is
> obviously guilty of racism, hatred, hate speech and (most likely)
> abusing babies.
>
> This is the last bastion of libs, folks: the definition that if
> you're not with us and speak like we say, you're obviously a
> racist.
But, I don't like his white half either.
Am *I* still a racist?
On Mar 30, 1:11=A0pm, "Nonny" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Seriously, it deserves a mention...
>
> > If you doubt my seriousness, you might find Ed Fredkin
> > interesting reading, assuming you are intelligent enough to read
> > complex digital philosophy, and young enough to stay awake
> > through a well written, long article. =A0I read it 22 years ago
> > when I was sitting at my desk at work, wasting time instead of
> > working... =A0I ain't reading it again, can't stay awake, but I
> > wonder how it's stood the test of time... Computers and the
> > digital highway have proliferated and broadened a bit some since
> > 1988...
>
> > If nothing else, after reading it, you can usually get
> > interesting affects when you interrupt god/no god arguments with
> > your believe that god is a computer.... =A0The only thing I
> > remember about the article though is that the Universe is a
> > computer... =A022 years can do that...
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fredkin
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/88apr/wright.htm
>
> Is this like my own belief that our universe is nothing more than
> a virtual reality program running on some kid's computer?
>
None of it matters when The LHC falls in love with itself.
On Mar 25, 8:56=A0pm, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 3/25/2010 4:13 PM, Charlie Self wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure what it is, though my guess has to do with darker than
> > usual skin.
>
> The new tax on tanning salons, is what? A tax only on those with light sk=
in?
>
> ROTFL ...
HOLY CRAP!!!
I read about that tax and thought "how odd...."
I never connected the dots!!!
Robert
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:23:27 -0400, Steve
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2010-03-28 03:03:53 -0400, Chasgroh <[email protected]> said:
>
>> ...I've been around on-planet in America for 6 decades...the only
>> *evidence* I've encountered of the people you've described is on
>> TV...or newsgroups; I've never had conversation with one of your
>> example. Anecdotal, yes...I'm sure that sort is around, yes...didja
>> get your "numbers" from another 2300 person poll? Yes?
>>
>> cg
>
>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>these folks ARE college educated.
...*read* the post, Steve...key word, "anecdotal"...I have no reason
to lie, the people I run with are not, on average, theists..., and I
don't search out the other POV. I think that is the case with most
people, "birds of a feather" and all that...it's easy to spout
statistics on a newsgroup (where *feelings* run rampant); it's harder
to consciously question one's sources...more like work.
cg
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:11:59 -0700, the infamous "Nonny"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Yup, anyone who doesn't walk lock-step with Obamy and the libs is
>obviously guilty of racism, hatred, hate speech and (most likely)
>abusing babies.
>
>This is the last bastion of libs, folks: the definition that if
>you're not with us and speak like we say, you're obviously a
>racist.
And I say:
Screw anybody who thinks that. I want nothing to do with 'em.
I tried to find it online but The O must have had it taken down. It
was a picture of "Obama eating a baby." Well, the baby had stuck its
entire hand into Obama's mouth and the caption was a hoot.
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
On Mar 25, 3:58=A0pm, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-...
>
> Really? =A0When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
> the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
> these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
> it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>
> And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
> rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>
> Desperate much?
Leftists are worried about something.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campaign-of=
fice-shot-overnight/
Yup, anyone who doesn't walk lock-step with Obamy and the libs is
obviously guilty of racism, hatred, hate speech and (most likely)
abusing babies.
This is the last bastion of libs, folks: the definition that if
you're not with us and speak like we say, you're obviously a
racist.
--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'
-Mark Twain
.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:17:08 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Charlie Self
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Mar 25, 5:11 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Mar 25, 3:58 pm, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-...
>>
>> > Really? When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
>> > the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
>> > these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
>> > it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>>
>> > And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
>> > rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>>
>> > Desperate much?
>>
>> Leftists are worried about something.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campa...
>
>I'd love to see the police reports on that..if there are any.
Yeah, if any. If found, I'll bet the report said "The slug matched
the only rifle known to be owned by a Democrat here in Richmond."
>At any rate, over the past two or three decades this country has
>tilted quite badly in two directions, with what used to be the broad
>middle ground teetering on the peak where things have pretty much
>snapped, so that only the whackos get heard. I expect the next right
>wing administration will re-institute something along the lines of
>HUAC.
Oy, vay.
This was on the page with that article. I found it telling:
Real Clear Politics Poll
Job Approval Approve Disapprove Spread
Obama 47.5% 46.2% +1.3%
Congress 17.4% 77.0% -59.6%
Direction of Country Right Direction Wrong Track Spread
RCP Average 33.0% 60.8% -27.8%
Disapproval rates are lower, but it tracks my feelings.
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
On 2010-03-28 03:03:53 -0400, Chasgroh <[email protected]> said:
> ...I've been around on-planet in America for 6 decades...the only
> *evidence* I've encountered of the people you've described is on
> TV...or newsgroups; I've never had conversation with one of your
> example. Anecdotal, yes...I'm sure that sort is around, yes...didja
> get your "numbers" from another 2300 person poll? Yes?
>
> cg
Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
these folks ARE college educated.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
>
>>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>these folks ARE college educated.
>
> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
> Darwin's theory of evolution, but in my 56 years, I've never met even
> one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and doesn't
believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
Tom
On 2010-03-29 13:20:27 -0400, Chasgroh <[email protected]> said:
> ...*read* the post, Steve...key word, "anecdotal"...I have no reason
> to lie, the people I run with are not, on average, theists..., and I
> don't search out the other POV.
Then chalk my remarks as 'anecdotal." No big deal -- merely pointing
out that I have had real face-to-face communications with said
believers.
I recognize a creation myth when I stumble over it, and dont' find any
contradiction in believing in both a God (or godhead) and evolution. In
fact a god who can be amused by setting things in motion and seeing
what happens later is a whole lot more interesting than a god who says
"BAM!" and walks away, satified.
On Mar 25, 4:58=A0pm, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-...
>
> Really? =A0When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
> the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
> these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
> it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>
> And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
> rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>
> Desperate much?
>
I'm not sure what it is, though my guess has to do with darker than
usual skin. I keep getting one that is a laugher, about Obama making
the Post Office print up stamps that celebrate Mohammedanism. The
stamps were designed and printed during the first Cheney/Bush term,
eight years ago. I've had at least eight of my right wing friends send
me that little missive supposedly proving something about Obama. Or
about themselves.
Leftists are worried about something.
>
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campa..
These two lines caught my eye and attention. First, the name calling.
"Leftist?" "Tea Bagger," etc. and so forth..
I used to tell people that Americans never kiled a Vietnamese in all
the years we spent defending French Colonial Rubber Plantations in
Southeast Asia. Realyy, check it out. We shot Gooks and Slopes and
Cong, of course as they were the identified demons we were told were
our enemies.
When working aon the Kerry Campaign I was so frustrated with the
Democrats who attended the rallies wearing a Beat Bush button instead
of a Kerry button. I tried like hell to get folks to "accentuate the
positive" to little or no avail. And those against W lost.
They did it a gain in the next elections and, in a real dirty fight,
lost again.
Now, maybe three's a charm, but whe the message was change to an
affirmative vision and positive slogans and sentiments, they picked up
the necessary swing votes and swept House and Senate as well as
electing a Democratic President.
Someone cited a poll in here without linking us to the poll istelf,
the question asked, the context, etc. and so forth. One sure thing
certain about polling is that the results will change. Another thing
is that it seems possible to find several polls with broadly different
results on any given day.
Come November, we will have another shot at the Polls that really
count - like the polls that brought us these leaders a year or so
back.
Oh, the other thing in that clip I referenced, above, was the www.foxnews
part. Anyone who regularly watches Rubert's Beck et al should spent an
hour with the Daily Show an Colbert Report at least once a week to do
a vitality check on their sense of humor and gain another perspective
on Fox's issues.
Enjoy
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:32:01 -0700, the infamous Mark & Juanita
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>D'ohBoy wrote:
>
>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-do-
>so-many-Republicans-think-Obama-is-a-socialist-a-Muslim-or-even-the-anti-
>Christ
>>
>> Really? When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
>> the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
>> these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
>> it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>>
>> And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
>> rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>>
>> Desperate much?
>>
>> D'ohBoy
>
> Yeah, but it was OK during the Bush administration for a film and books
>about assassinating the president to be made, it was just fine that people
>wished all manner of ill upon Cheney or that they were salivating with glee
>over the cancer that got Tony Snow.
>
> More recently, the initial memes were that the Fort Hood shooter was a
>right-wing extremist until he was determined to be a muslim jihadist, the
>shooter at the Jewish center was a right wing extremist until it was shown
>he was a liberal nutjob, and the guy who crashed his plane into the Austin
>IRS office was a tea party extremist until it was found he was a democrat.
>
> Yep, it's just people on the right who wish ill upon others and get all
>lathered up into violence.
Ah, but there's more!
A sig from a friend over on RCM:
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
On 3/26/2010 12:19 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mar 25, 8:56 pm, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> The new tax on tanning salons, is what? A tax only on those with light skin?
> HOLY CRAP!!!
>
> I read about that tax and thought "how odd...."
>
> I never connected the dots!!!
LOL ... can you say unintended consequences. The trouble with political
shallow thinking in a nutshell.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
The loudest screamers have been the libs. For years and years.
They turned this and other groups into hate and political discussions.
I'm for wood working in this one. Not who did what bad or good to someone.
I think the whole process shows poor moral judgment.
Martin
Charlie Self wrote:
> On Mar 25, 4:58 pm, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-...
>>
>> Really? When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
>> the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
>> these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
>> it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>>
>> And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
>> rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>>
>> Desperate much?
>>
>
> I'm not sure what it is, though my guess has to do with darker than
> usual skin. I keep getting one that is a laugher, about Obama making
> the Post Office print up stamps that celebrate Mohammedanism. The
> stamps were designed and printed during the first Cheney/Bush term,
> eight years ago. I've had at least eight of my right wing friends send
> me that little missive supposedly proving something about Obama. Or
> about themselves.
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:02:56 -0500, "Tom B"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
><snip>
>>
>>>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>>these folks ARE college educated.
>>
>> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
>> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
>> Darwin's theory of evolution, but in my 56 years, I've never met even
>> one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
>
>The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and doesn't
>believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
>Tom
The "Creationism" people buck science by using "faith" as proof. I
guess you don't have to believe in radioisotopes. Like it or not,
the earth is about 4.5 billion years old.
Tom B wrote:
>
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
>>
>>>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>>these folks ARE college educated.
>>
>> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
>> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
>> Darwin's theory of evolution, but in my 56 years, I've never met even
>> one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
>
> The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and
> doesn't believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
> Tom
So she'd rather he was devoted to the orthodox non-causal spontaneous
generation origin of the universe theory espoused in modern cosmology?
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
Hoosierpopi wrote:
> Leftists are worried about something.
>>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campa..
>
> These two lines caught my eye and attention. First, the name calling.
> "Leftist?" "Tea Bagger," etc. and so forth..
>
> I used to tell people that Americans never kiled a Vietnamese in all
> the years we spent defending French Colonial Rubber Plantations in
> Southeast Asia. Realyy, check it out. We shot Gooks and Slopes and
> Cong, of course as they were the identified demons we were told were
> our enemies.
"Kill Japs. Kill Japs. Kill more Japs." (William Frederick Halsey, Jr.,
Fleet Admiral, Commander Pacific Fleet).
>
> When working aon the Kerry Campaign I was so frustrated with the
> Democrats who attended the rallies wearing a Beat Bush button instead
> of a Kerry button. I tried like hell to get folks to "accentuate the
> positive" to little or no avail. And those against W lost.
>
"A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always fail without a
devil. A mass movement must have something to hate." (Eric Hoffer, "The True
Believer")
On Mar 25, 5:11=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 25, 3:58=A0pm, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-...
>
> > Really? =A0When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
> > the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
> > these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
> > it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>
> > And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
> > rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>
> > Desperate much?
>
> Leftists are worried about something.
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campa...
I'd love to see the police reports on that..if there are any.
At any rate, over the past two or three decades this country has
tilted quite badly in two directions, with what used to be the broad
middle ground teetering on the peak where things have pretty much
snapped, so that only the whackos get heard. I expect the next right
wing administration will re-institute something along the lines of
HUAC.
On Mar 25, 4:58=A0pm, "D'ohBoy" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-...
>
> Really? =A0When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
> the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
> these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
> it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>
> And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
> rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>
> Desperate much?
>
> D'ohBoy
Um, so *all* people involved in the teabagger movement are exactly the
same, eh? Wow. Aren't we all individuals? I guess you don't think
so. You are so open-minded that you are close-minded.
And I guess it was a teabagger who shot up House Republican Whip Eric
Cantor's office, huh? A little worse than a cap. (I admit, I do not
know about the incident you speak of but point me to some articles,
please?)
As far an shooting up Cantor's office, seems to me he is Jewish.
Sounds like the person who shot his office was practicing anti-
semitism to me...but I guess it is okay of it turns out to be a
liberal because since he voted against your precious health care bill,
he wasn't really a Jew anyways, was he?
Grow up. Talk facts. Skip the emotions.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 21:56:01 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 3/25/2010 4:13 PM, Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what it is, though my guess has to do with darker than
>> usual skin.
>
>The new tax on tanning salons, is what? A tax only on those with light skin?
A tax on those who wish they had dark skin, of course.
>ROTFL ...
"Nonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Yup, anyone who doesn't walk lock-step with Obamy and the libs is
> obviously guilty of racism, hatred, hate speech and (most likely) abusing
> babies.
>
> This is the last bastion of libs, folks: the definition that if you're
> not with us and speak like we say, you're obviously a racist.
And then there are those who ate lead paint chips as infants....
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I'm not sure what it is, though my guess has to do with darker than
> usual skin. I keep getting one that is a laugher, about Obama making
> the Post Office print up stamps that celebrate Mohammedanism. The
> stamps were designed and printed during the first Cheney/Bush term,
> eight years ago. I've had at least eight of my right wing friends send
> me that little missive supposedly proving something about Obama. Or
> about themselves.
I'm amazed at some of the urban myths/lies that fly around despite having
been thoroughly refuted years ago. Occasionally someone I think of as a
liberal sends me one (the fake list of books Palin supposedly wanted banned
from the Wasilla library comes to mind) but for the most part these things
seem to appeal to my right-wing friends. I just saw that one that claims to
be quotations from Obama's books, it's been around for years and despite
having been shown to contain outright fabrications it's still alive. People
accept what they want to believe and don't bother to check the background,
and at times they seem almost resentful if you show them these things are
bogus. Like the man said, a lie is halfway around the world before the
truth has finished putting on its shoes.
On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:11:39 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:53:36 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
>
>> People accept what they want to believe and don't bother to check the
>> background, and at times they seem almost resentful if you show them
>> these things are bogus.
>
>The human species has a great ability to ignore facts when they conflict
>with cherished beliefs. For some reason, the US seems to have the most
>of that ability. Just check the percentages of people in the US who
>believe in religion, refuse to accept the evidence for evolution or
>global warming, think the Earth is only 4000 years old, etc.. Now
>compare those numbers to any other industrialized country. Sigh.
...I've been around on-planet in America for 6 decades...the only
*evidence* I've encountered of the people you've described is on
TV...or newsgroups; I've never had conversation with one of your
example. Anecdotal, yes...I'm sure that sort is around, yes...didja
get your "numbers" from another 2300 person poll? Yes?
cg
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/25/2010 4:13 PM, Charlie Self wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure what it is, though my guess has to do with darker than
>> usual skin.
>
> The new tax on tanning salons, is what? A tax only on those with light
> skin?
>
> ROTFL ...
The tanneries seem to be closing right and left lately.
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:53:36 -0700, DGDevin wrote:
> People accept what they want to believe and don't bother to check the
> background, and at times they seem almost resentful if you show them
> these things are bogus.
The human species has a great ability to ignore facts when they conflict
with cherished beliefs. For some reason, the US seems to have the most
of that ability. Just check the percentages of people in the US who
believe in religion, refuse to accept the evidence for evolution or
global warming, think the Earth is only 4000 years old, etc.. Now
compare those numbers to any other industrialized country. Sigh.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:03:53 -0700, Chasgroh wrote:
>>The human species has a great ability to ignore facts when they conflict
>>with cherished beliefs. For some reason, the US seems to have the most
>>of that ability. Just check the percentages of people in the US who
>>believe in religion, refuse to accept the evidence for evolution or
>>global warming, think the Earth is only 4000 years old, etc.. Now
>>compare those numbers to any other industrialized country. Sigh.
>
> ...I've been around on-planet in America for 6 decades...the only
> *evidence* I've encountered of the people you've described is on TV...or
> newsgroups; I've never had conversation with one of your example.
> Anecdotal, yes...I'm sure that sort is around, yes...didja get your
> "numbers" from another 2300 person poll? Yes?
I promised Charlie I wouldn't post OT at least for a while, but I'd be
glad to respond to this via email if you'll send me a valid email address.
--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:23:27 -0400, Steve
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>these folks ARE college educated.
>
> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
> Darwin's theory of evolution,
Darwins' contribution was A Process - Natural Selection - not specifically
the Theory.
> but in my 56 years, I've never met even
> one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
On 3/29/2010 5:36 AM, LDosser wrote:
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:23:27 -0400, Steve
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>> but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>> these folks ARE college educated.
>>
>> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
>> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
>> Darwin's theory of evolution,
>
> Darwins' contribution was A Process - Natural Selection - not
> specifically the Theory.
An engineer I worked with doesn't believe in it. He went to Georgia
Tech, same place I did. No biology required in that curriculum unless
you are in a biological engineering track.
I know an MD who doesn't buy it either--he sees the hand of God in all
sorts of things where I see the hand of chaos.
>> but in my 56 years, I've never met even
>> one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
>
>
J. Clarke wrote:
>>> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
>>> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
>>> Darwin's theory of evolution,
>>
>> Darwins' contribution was A Process - Natural Selection - not
>> specifically the Theory.
>
> An engineer I worked with doesn't believe in it. He went to Georgia
> Tech, same place I did. No biology required in that curriculum unless
> you are in a biological engineering track.
> I know an MD who doesn't buy it either--he sees the hand of God in all
> sorts of things where I see the hand of chaos.
What looks like chaos may not be chaos at all. I think god is a
computer, and we are just part of a program, running in the background.
Computers have trouble with chaos I'd bet.... keep your fingers crossed!
--
Jack
The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 3/29/2010 5:36 AM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:23:27 -0400, Steve
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>>> but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>>> these folks ARE college educated.
>>>
>>> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
>>> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
>>> Darwin's theory of evolution,
>>
>> Darwins' contribution was A Process - Natural Selection - not
>> specifically the Theory.
>
> An engineer I worked with doesn't believe in it. He went to Georgia Tech,
> same place I did. No biology required in that curriculum unless you are
> in a biological engineering track.
>
> I know an MD who doesn't buy it either--he sees the hand of God in all
> sorts of things where I see the hand of chaos.
Perhaps they are the same thing?
Tom B wrote:
> The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and
> doesn't believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
Tom, does the science teacher mention anything about my belief that the
Universe is a computer?
Seriously, it deserves a mention...
If you doubt my seriousness, you might find Ed Fredkin interesting
reading, assuming you are intelligent enough to read complex digital
philosophy, and young enough to stay awake through a well written, long
article. I read it 22 years ago when I was sitting at my desk at work,
wasting time instead of working... I ain't reading it again, can't stay
awake, but I wonder how it's stood the test of time... Computers and the
digital highway have proliferated and broadened a bit some since 1988...
If nothing else, after reading it, you can usually get interesting
affects when you interrupt god/no god arguments with your believe that
god is a computer.... The only thing I remember about the article
though is that the Universe is a computer... 22 years can do that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fredkin
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/88apr/wright.htm
--
Jack
Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
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"Tom B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> <snip>
>>
>>>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>>>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>>>these folks ARE college educated.
>>
>> Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
>> graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
>> Darwin's theory of evolution, but in my 56 years, I've never met even
>> one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
>
> The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and
> doesn't believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
> Tom
Where is "here"? Have you thought about throwing a fit?
Nonny wrote:
>
> "Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Seriously, it deserves a mention...
>>
>> If you doubt my seriousness, you might find Ed Fredkin interesting
>> reading, assuming you are intelligent enough to read complex digital
>> philosophy, and young enough to stay awake through a well written,
>> long article. I read it 22 years ago when I was sitting at my desk at
>> work, wasting time instead of working... I ain't reading it again,
>> can't stay awake, but I wonder how it's stood the test of time...
>> Computers and the digital highway have proliferated and broadened a
>> bit some since 1988...
>>
>> If nothing else, after reading it, you can usually get interesting
>> affects when you interrupt god/no god arguments with your believe that
>> god is a computer.... The only thing I remember about the article
>> though is that the Universe is a computer... 22 years can do that...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fredkin
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/88apr/wright.htm
>>
>
> Is this like my own belief that our universe is nothing more than a
> virtual reality program running on some kid's computer?
Well, how long has your kid, and his computer been around?
--
Jack
Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity!
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Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
: Tom B wrote:
:> The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and
:> doesn't believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
: Tom, does the science teacher mention anything about my belief that the
: Universe is a computer?
: Seriously, it deserves a mention...
Also see:
http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/15/hans-moravec-on-livi.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?ei=5124&en=22efff4469281187&ex=1344744000&adxnnl=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&adxnnlx=1187101355-5HWiLxChv9ReqvISlLpTnQ
-- Andy Barss
Andrew Barss wrote:
> Jack Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Tom B wrote:
>
> :> The science teacher in the high school here teaches creationism and
> :> doesn't believe in evolution. (My daughter has a fit about it!)
>
> : Tom, does the science teacher mention anything about my belief that the
> : Universe is a computer?
>
> : Seriously, it deserves a mention...
>
> Also see:
>
>
>
> http://www.simulation-argument.com/simulation.html
> http://www.boingboing.net/2007/08/15/hans-moravec-on-livi.html
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/14tier.html?ei=5124&en=22efff4469281187&ex=1344744000&adxnnl=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink&adxnnlx=1187101355-5HWiLxChv9ReqvISlLpTnQ
>
> -- Andy Barss
These guys most certainly ripped off my guy, who predates them by a good
bit:-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fredkin
--
Jack
Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
http://jbstein.com
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:46:00 -0600, the infamous "ChairMan"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>In news:[email protected],
>Nonny <[email protected]>spewed forth:
>> Yup, anyone who doesn't walk lock-step with Obamy and the libs is
>> obviously guilty of racism, hatred, hate speech and (most likely)
>> abusing babies.
>>
>> This is the last bastion of libs, folks: the definition that if
>> you're not with us and speak like we say, you're obviously a
>> racist.
>
>But, I don't like his white half either.
>Am *I* still a racist?
ROTFLMAO! <wiping off monitor and keyboard)
--
Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity.
Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand.
-- Oprah Winfrey
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:25:52 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 00:03:53 -0700, Chasgroh wrote:
>
>>>The human species has a great ability to ignore facts when they conflict
>>>with cherished beliefs. For some reason, the US seems to have the most
>>>of that ability. Just check the percentages of people in the US who
>>>believe in religion, refuse to accept the evidence for evolution or
>>>global warming, think the Earth is only 4000 years old, etc.. Now
>>>compare those numbers to any other industrialized country. Sigh.
>>
>> ...I've been around on-planet in America for 6 decades...the only
>> *evidence* I've encountered of the people you've described is on TV...or
>> newsgroups; I've never had conversation with one of your example.
>> Anecdotal, yes...I'm sure that sort is around, yes...didja get your
>> "numbers" from another 2300 person poll? Yes?
>
>I promised Charlie I wouldn't post OT at least for a while, but I'd be
>glad to respond to this via email if you'll send me a valid email address.
...just look at my "phony" one...it's mostly real...
cg
D'ohBoy wrote:
> http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2010/0325/Shock-poll-Why-do-
so-many-Republicans-think-Obama-is-a-socialist-a-Muslim-or-even-the-anti-
Christ
>
> Really? When some dumbass teabagger pops a cap in Obama - and given
> the belief that he is Satan incarnate by an amazing proportion of
> these people and the insane level of the rhetoric, it seems likely -
> it is gonna rock this country to its foundation.
>
> And then some idjut from the right had the gall to blame all the
> rhetoric and threats on the Democrats.
>
> Desperate much?
>
> D'ohBoy
Yeah, but it was OK during the Bush administration for a film and books
about assassinating the president to be made, it was just fine that people
wished all manner of ill upon Cheney or that they were salivating with glee
over the cancer that got Tony Snow.
More recently, the initial memes were that the Fort Hood shooter was a
right-wing extremist until he was determined to be a muslim jihadist, the
shooter at the Jewish center was a right wing extremist until it was shown
he was a liberal nutjob, and the guy who crashed his plane into the Austin
IRS office was a tea party extremist until it was found he was a democrat.
Yep, it's just people on the right who wish ill upon others and get all
lathered up into violence.
--
There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage
Rob Leatham
"Jack Stein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Seriously, it deserves a mention...
>
> If you doubt my seriousness, you might find Ed Fredkin
> interesting reading, assuming you are intelligent enough to read
> complex digital philosophy, and young enough to stay awake
> through a well written, long article. I read it 22 years ago
> when I was sitting at my desk at work, wasting time instead of
> working... I ain't reading it again, can't stay awake, but I
> wonder how it's stood the test of time... Computers and the
> digital highway have proliferated and broadened a bit some since
> 1988...
>
> If nothing else, after reading it, you can usually get
> interesting affects when you interrupt god/no god arguments with
> your believe that god is a computer.... The only thing I
> remember about the article though is that the Universe is a
> computer... 22 years can do that...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Fredkin
> http://www.theatlantic.com/past/issues/88apr/wright.htm
>
Is this like my own belief that our universe is nothing more than
a virtual reality program running on some kid's computer?
--
Nonny
Suppose you were an idiot.
And suppose you were a member
of Congress.... But then I repeat myself.'
-Mark Twain
.
Charlie Self wrote:
>>
>> Leftists are worried about something.
>>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/25/rep-cantors-richmond-campa...
>
> I'd love to see the police reports on that..if there are any.
>
> At any rate, over the past two or three decades this country has
> tilted quite badly in two directions, with what used to be the broad
> middle ground teetering on the peak where things have pretty much
> snapped, so that only the whackos get heard. I expect the next right
> wing administration will re-institute something along the lines of
> HUAC.
No, virtually all polls report the plurality of respondents self-identify as
"independents." That these independents are tending to the right is no
different in kind than marriage where reality finally trumps fantasy.
On Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:23:27 -0400, Steve
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Oh, come on! I work with three people who don't believe in evolution
>but do believe mankind (and the world) is only 4,000 years old. And
>these folks ARE college educated.
Which leads me to ask what college did they attend and how did they
graduate? I'm sure there are people around that don't subscribe to
Darwin's theory of evolution, but in my 56 years, I've never met even
one that didn't. I suspect this might be a regional affectation.
Martin H. Eastburn wrote:
> The loudest screamers have been the libs. For years and years.
> They turned this and other groups into hate and political discussions.
>
> I'm for wood working in this one. Not who did what bad or good to
> someone.
> I think the whole process shows poor moral judgment.
>
"A mass movement can exist without a god, but it will always fail without
something to hate." (Eric Hoffer, "The True Believer")