Well after The Kid rejected the dowel with magnet idea
for the hidden lock on the LP albums cabinet we're
working on he came up with a completely hidden lock
idea which requires a cylindrical magnet with a round
end. After he left for the day it came to me - cow
magnates!
What!?
Imagine a cylinder with hemispherical ends. They
use to get cows to swallow one and it stayed in
their first (or was it their second?) stomach.
Any nails, pieces of wire, barbed or otherwise,
would get stuck to the magnet and not get into
the intestines where they could raise hell. With
luck the grain and feed store will have some ...
Diagram of the new idea for a hidden lock is in
a.b.p.w.
Fun this woodworking, especially when working
on a project with and for your kid (in this case
a 27 year old kid).
charlie b
Mon, Jun 21, 2004, 1:44am (EDT-3) [email protected] (charlie=A0b)
says:
Well after The Kid rejected the dowel with magnet idea for the hidden
lock on the LP albums cabinet we're working on he came up with a
completely hidden lock idea <snip>
I'm still waiting for the reasoning behind a completely hidden
lock. Secret compartment, or door, I can see it. But this is a
freakin' chest! Too artsy. That'll just make people want to break
into it. Somebody's gonna tear it up trying to get into it. Better,
put the hidden lock in, then put a phony touchpad combination lock on
it. His kids'll go nuts trying to figure out the combintion, and
probably won't bother trying to pry it open. Or, at the worst will only
concentrate on one area, and not random choices.
JOAT
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
Upscale wrote:
> Don't know how big cow magnets are supposed to be, but Lee Valley Tools has
> cylindrical magnets if you need them Charlie.
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=40076&category=1,42363,42348
OH BOY! - More types of earth magnets! Thanks - will order some
today.
But, this project is going to be a 2 DAYer so it'll probably be cow
magnets
in these cabinets. But I see magnets/magnates in future projects
though.
LRod wrote:
> Isn't a cow magnate a cattle baron?
Hey - it was 2 AM when I hit the send button. I did supply a diagram
in
a.b.p.w. to illustrate the idea
In my defense, isn't "magnate" the British spelling of what we in The
Colonies
call magnets? Or it could be the Oz spelling.
charlie b
J T wrote:
> I'm still waiting for the reasoning behind a completely hidden
> lock. Secret compartment, or door, I can see it. But this is a
> freakin' chest! Too artsy. That'll just make people want to break
> into it. Somebody's gonna tear it up trying to get into it. Better,
> put the hidden lock in, then put a phony touchpad combination lock on
> it. His kids'll go nuts trying to figure out the combintion, and
> probably won't bother trying to pry it open. Or, at the worst will only
> concentrate on one area, and not random choices.
>
University students don't often have a great deal of money.
As a result, you'll seldom find them in gated communities
with uniformed security people patroling the development
and sophisticated security systems everywhere. You're
far more apt to find them in the less desireable parts of
town where places to live are less expensive and landlords
who don't change locks between tenants or fix broken window
locks etc.
These cabinets will hold and semi-secure a "priceless
to him" LP Albums Collection which has taken him
years to put together. The feeling is "out of site, out of
mind" should someone "visit" while he's out. I did suggest
a dummy lock distraction but he insisted on a clean
simple, no froo froo look. I build what the customer
insists on. In fact he's the one building the cabinets.
I'm just providing the equiptment and technical advice.
Naturally I'm also paying for the materials too ....
Life did get a bit simpler when he liked the look
of the cut end of baltic birch ply - no face framing
required. Found 3/4" 13 ply Russian Birch ply
that has some great figure in it - looks like sand
dunes. The top, bottom and middle shelf will be
honey or black locust with some interesting
figured grain.
Interesting project made more interesting by the
fact that I'm helping my son make his own
furniture. Hell, he even used a #7 to get one
edge straight on a piece of locust. He now
knows one way to use a stopped sliding dovetail
to join the bottom and shelf to the cabinet
sides - holding the sides together without any
glue or screws or dowels.
Did order some rod earth magnates and some
brad point bits from Lee Valley, the former
suggested in this thread.
Fun this woodworking thing
charlie b
Mon, Jun 21, 2004, 9:33pm (EDT-3) [email protected] (charlie=A0b)
says:
<snip>=A0These cabinets will hold and semi-secure a "priceless =A0 to
him" LP Albums Collection which has taken him =A0 years to put together.
The feeling is "out of site, out of =A0 mind" <snip>
I've been thinking on that. If I was breaking in, and saw a big
block, with no apparent lock, or way to open it, I'd be curious. And,
if I had a pry bar of some type, I'd use it.
I'm thinking if you want to do out of SIGHT, out of mind think,
then put 'em in a coffee table. Big, honkin', clunky lookin', coffee
table. Apron around it about 6", great big legs, maybe tree trunks
sawed square. Then put your insible lock on it, and have the top
liftup. Of course, the first time he opens either, with anyone around,
the secret's gone.
Or, could hinge them under a dining table. Or, could make a little
2-3 drawer filing cabinet type thingy, with the door at the back of it,
hinging at the bottom. Should hold two compartments, not to deep, but
make two cabinest.
Maybe a compartment in the bottom of a recliner. Tip the chair
back, to get to 'em.
JOAT
Use your brain - it's the small things that count.
- Bazooka Joe
J T wrote:
> I've been thinking on that. If I was breaking in, and saw a big
> block, with no apparent lock, or way to open it, I'd be curious. And,
> if I had a pry bar of some type, I'd use it.
>
> I'm thinking if you want to do out of SIGHT, out of mind think,
> then put 'em in a coffee table. Big, honkin', clunky lookin', coffee
> table. Apron around it about 6", great big legs, maybe tree trunks
> sawed square. Then put your insible lock on it, and have the top
> liftup. Of course, the first time he opens either, with anyone around,
> the secret's gone.
>
> Or, could hinge them under a dining table. Or, could make a little
> 2-3 drawer filing cabinet type thingy, with the door at the back of it,
> hinging at the bottom. Should hold two compartments, not to deep, but
> make two cabinest.
>
> Maybe a compartment in the bottom of a recliner. Tip the chair
> back, to get to 'em.
>
Good points, good ideas. But we're talking about eight linear feet
of LPs. The volume involved precludes stashing under a table top
or recliner etc..
His apartment is in an area where the potential thieves are
addicts who tend to be opportunistic. Get in, grab a stereo,
TV or wha will have 3/4" russian birch sides, 3/4" locust top,
1/2" Baltic birch ply back in dadoes and 1/2" or 3/4" russian
birch ply front panels. There really won't be anyplace
to get a pry bar or screw driver into. The sides are held
together with stopped sliding dovetailed shelf and bottom.
These cabinets are going to be semi-indestructable. Add
50-60 pounds of albums and they're not going to be very
portable.
Did order the magnet rods from Lee Valley, along with three
of their brad point bits.
charlie b
[email protected] wrote:
> the thing is to make it make sense in the space as some other piece of
> furniture. get some cushions made for the top, perhaps?
He's thinking birdseye maple or medular rayed sycamore for
the tops. Covering either up with cushions would be criminal!
Maybe I can talk him into shaping up some 12/4 quitled maple
to look like cushions! : )
charlie b
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:31:45 -0700, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:
>J T wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking on that. If I was breaking in, and saw a big
>> block, with no apparent lock, or way to open it, I'd be curious. And,
>> if I had a pry bar of some type, I'd use it.
>>
>> I'm thinking if you want to do out of SIGHT, out of mind think,
>> then put 'em in a coffee table. Big, honkin', clunky lookin', coffee
>> table. Apron around it about 6", great big legs, maybe tree trunks
>> sawed square. Then put your insible lock on it, and have the top
>> liftup. Of course, the first time he opens either, with anyone around,
>> the secret's gone.
>>
>> Or, could hinge them under a dining table. Or, could make a little
>> 2-3 drawer filing cabinet type thingy, with the door at the back of it,
>> hinging at the bottom. Should hold two compartments, not to deep, but
>> make two cabinest.
>>
>> Maybe a compartment in the bottom of a recliner. Tip the chair
>> back, to get to 'em.
>>
>
> Good points, good ideas. But we're talking about eight linear feet
> of LPs. The volume involved precludes stashing under a table top
> or recliner etc..
>
> His apartment is in an area where the potential thieves are
> addicts who tend to be opportunistic. Get in, grab a stereo,
> TV or wha will have 3/4" russian birch sides, 3/4" locust top,
> 1/2" Baltic birch ply back in dadoes and 1/2" or 3/4" russian
> birch ply front panels. There really won't be anyplace
> to get a pry bar or screw driver into. The sides are held
> together with stopped sliding dovetailed shelf and bottom.
> These cabinets are going to be semi-indestructable. Add
> 50-60 pounds of albums and they're not going to be very
> portable.
>
> Did order the magnet rods from Lee Valley, along with three
> of their brad point bits.
>
> charlie b
the thing is to make it make sense in the space as some other piece of
furniture. get some cushions made for the top, perhaps?
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:44:44 -0700, charlie b <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Well after The Kid rejected the dowel with magnet idea
>for the hidden lock on the LP albums cabinet we're
>working on he came up with a completely hidden lock
>idea which requires a cylindrical magnet with a round
>end. After he left for the day it came to me - cow
>magnates!
Isn't a cow magnate a cattle baron?
- -
LRod
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Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
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"Wood Butcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:xFGBc.70716$Hg2.45609@attbi_s04...
> Rockler sells a complete hidden lock if you don't want to
> DIY.
>
http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&offerings_id=1611&objectgroup_id=44
> 4&catid=81&filter=magnetic%20lock
>
> Art
>
>
or at http://tinyurl.com/23m2q
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(only one B in FMB)
charlie b wrote:
> Upscale wrote:
>
>> Don't know how big cow magnets are supposed to be, but Lee Valley Tools
>> has cylindrical magnets if you need them Charlie.
>>
>>
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=40076&category=1,42363,42348
>
> OH BOY! - More types of earth magnets! Thanks - will order some
> today.
> But, this project is going to be a 2 DAYer so it'll probably be cow
> magnets
> in these cabinets. But I see magnets/magnates in future projects
> though.
>
> LRod wrote:
>
>> Isn't a cow magnate a cattle baron?
>
> Hey - it was 2 AM when I hit the send button. I did supply a diagram
> in
> a.b.p.w. to illustrate the idea
>
> In my defense, isn't "magnate" the British spelling of what we in The
> Colonies
> call magnets? Or it could be the Oz spelling.
Good try, but according to the unabridged Oxford "magnate" is define as "a
great man" or "In Hungary and Poland, a member of the upper house of the
Diet". OTOH, they do state that "magnete" and "mangnet" have in the past
been used as alternative spellings for "magnet".
>
> charlie b
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"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In my defense, isn't "magnate" the British spelling of what we in The
> Colonies
> call magnets? Or it could be the Oz spelling.
>
> charlie b
Nope - the accepted spelling *is* "magnets". I know you Yanks have your
own eccentric ideas about spelling, but you can't blame that one on us!
Cheers,
Frank
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As an Auzzie dealing with USisms, I just assumed that it was a trade
name, playing on "magnet that cows ate" or something.
> In my defense, isn't "magnate" the British spelling of what we in The
>Colonies
> call magnets? Or it could be the Oz spelling.
>
> charlie b
charlie b <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Well after The Kid rejected the dowel with magnet idea
> for the hidden lock...
I'm not sure if these are burly enough for your purposes, but we have
had good luck the the "Tot Lok" from Safety 1st in a similar situation
(locking kitchen cabinets). They are a hidden locking mechanism that
is unlocked with a magnet. If installed well, there is very little
play in the door when locked. Obviously they are intended for child
safety, but perhaps they might address your need. Here's a link:
http://www.safety1st.com/product.asp?productID=208
"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well after The Kid rejected the dowel with magnet idea
> for the hidden lock on the LP albums cabinet we're
> working on he came up with a completely hidden lock
> idea which requires a cylindrical magnet with a round
> end. After he left for the day it came to me - cow
> magnates!
Don't know how big cow magnets are supposed to be, but Lee Valley Tools has
cylindrical magnets if you need them Charlie.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.asp?SID=&ccurrency=1&page=40076&category=1,42363,42348