"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Swingman" wrote
>>
>> Ouch! ... sorry about the bum steer. The lack of any pricing info
>> whatsoever on the web sorta indicated that the chances of it being
>> pricey were good.
>>
>
> Yep, when they don't include pricing information, you can count on
> three things.
>
> 1. It is expensive.
>
> 2. They need a shiney shoed salesman to sell it to you.
>
> 3. The purpose of all marketing materials and webpages is to turn you
> over to the shiney shoed salesman.
4. The price changes depending on how much interest you show or how
expensively you're dressed.
Puckdropper
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"Swingman" wrote
>
> Ouch! ... sorry about the bum steer. The lack of any pricing info
> whatsoever on the web sorta indicated that the chances of it being pricey
> were good.
>
Yep, when they don't include pricing information, you can count on three
things.
1. It is expensive.
2. They need a shiney shoed salesman to sell it to you.
3. The purpose of all marketing materials and webpages is to turn you over
to the shiney shoed salesman.
On Aug 18, 11:54=A0am, Morris Dovey <[email protected]> wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DwwUwJddpzo4
>
> > DAGS a bit on "SpaceClaim"
>
> I spoke with a salesperson at SpaceClaim this morning. The "Engineering
> Version" that I thought might be useful starts around US$2500 - a bit
> more than I can find in my current S/W budget. :(
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USAhttp://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
They're going to have a tough sell, me thinks. Most guys who want/need
that capability are likely to have a competent program already, and
are used to doing these Bolean acrobatics /their/ way.
It certainly looks like very competent software, but at those prices
they are up against a saturated market.
I noticed that a lot of engineers I talk to, leave their universities
with a serious knowledge of accepted programs like AutoDesk, etc.
THAT is where you 'get' them. In schools.
Last thing we need is another $ 2-3K package.
Hi folks,
I'm a marking guy at SpaceClaim, one of the founders of the company,
and a bit of a woodworker. Thought you might be interested to know
that SpaceClaim Style is available for around $1000, and it has all
the solid modeling capabilities of our flagship product, SpaceClaim
Engineer. You can see the comparison here:
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/Products/SpaceClaimProductsOverview.aspx.
I've been having a lot of fun working in the shop off of solid
models. One technique I use is I'll model my part, and embed it in a
transparent version of the stock I'm making it from. Then I print out
1:1 scale drawings of the outline of the part for a face or two and
spray-glue them onto my stock. Then I can just band saw or table saw
along the outline. Often, I'll have further flat faces onto that I can
make views of, print, glue and cut again. (The drawing views need to
be made to look onto the face that's touching the work surface of the
machine, not the face that your cutting lines are on.) Once you get
good at correctly registering your printouts on your model, you can
work remarkably quickly.
Here's an example of a kind of rotating peg that had to be a sort of
elliptical cone: http://twitpic.com/eh1f2 I glued up one view, made
to cuts, glued up the other view, made two more cuts, and did the rest
on the sander. There were two of them, and they came out surprisingly
identical. Also notice the dimensioned rectangle around the border so
I can make sure that the printer is sufficiently calibrated.
Hope that helps. By the way, our sales folk are generally pretty
harmless, and are there to answer questions. I sit with them in the
open cubical space so I can see how they interact with our customers.
Our engineers are also happy to show you how to do things. Just give
us a call. If you prefer, you can ask for me. 978 482 2100. That
said, if you can also do business through local resellers or an online
reseller such as novedge.com.
Thanks for your interest,
-Blake
Blake Courter
Co-Founder
SpaceClaim Corporation
150 Baker Ave Ext
Concord, MA 01742
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwUwJddpzo4
>>
>> DAGS a bit on "SpaceClaim"
>
> I spoke with a salesperson at SpaceClaim this morning. The "Engineering
> Version" that I thought might be useful starts around US$2500 - a bit
> more than I can find in my current S/W budget. :(
Ouch! ... sorry about the bum steer. The lack of any pricing info
whatsoever on the web sorta indicated that the chances of it being
pricey were good.
Thanks for the feedback ...
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"Lee Michaels" wrote:
Yep, when they don't include pricing information, you can count on
three
> things.
>
> 1. It is expensive.
>
> 2. They need a shiney shoed salesman to sell it to you.
>
> 3. The purpose of all marketing materials and webpages is to turn
> you over to the shiney shoed salesman.
Naw, it is much simpler than that.
If you have to ask, you can't afford.
Lew
Swingman wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwUwJddpzo4
>
> DAGS a bit on "SpaceClaim"
I spoke with a salesperson at SpaceClaim this morning. The "Engineering
Version" that I thought might be useful starts around US$2500 - a bit
more than I can find in my current S/W budget. :(
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Robatoy wrote:
> They're going to have a tough sell, me thinks. Most guys who want/need
> that capability are likely to have a competent program already, and
> are used to doing these Boolean acrobatics /their/ way.
I mostly agree, but I have AutoCAD, DesignCAD, and SketchUp - and I can
see the productivity advantage of an SU-like package that understands
solids and curves (AFAICT SU appears to only understand lines and flat
surfaces, and uses those to approximate everything else).
I guess it's a Morris problem, but I loathe having possibilities limited
by /tools/ - and I seem to nearly always be operating at the bleeding
edge of tool capabilities. It's fun - sometimes even exciting - but it's
also incredibly frustrating.
> It certainly looks like very competent software, but at those prices
> they are up against a saturated market.
Agreed - so let's hope that they're able to at least raise the bar a
notch or two and stimulate improvements to less costly products.
> I noticed that a lot of engineers I talk to, leave their universities
> with a serious knowledge of accepted programs like AutoDesk, etc.
> THAT is where you 'get' them. In schools.
>
> Last thing we need is another $ 2-3K package.
Well, the price of the package isn't as much a show-stopper as is the
fact that I don't have $2-3K to spend on it. :)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:05:23 -0500, the infamous Swingman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Morris Dovey wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwUwJddpzo4
>>>
>>> DAGS a bit on "SpaceClaim"
>>
>> I spoke with a salesperson at SpaceClaim this morning. The "Engineering
>> Version" that I thought might be useful starts around US$2500 - a bit
>> more than I can find in my current S/W budget. :(
>
>Ouch! ... sorry about the bum steer. The lack of any pricing info
>whatsoever on the web sorta indicated that the chances of it being
>pricey were good.
>
>Thanks for the feedback ...
I googled it and came up with figures of $999-1,255 PER YEAR LEASE.
The last sentence the demo guy spoke was something to the effect of
"affordable for everyone". He's prolly pulling down CONgressional pay
scale.
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than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
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"Lee Michaels" wrote:
> 3. The purpose of all marketing materials and webpages is to turn
> you
> over to the shiney shoed salesman.
Who performs a very important function.
Salesman must determine if your project is adequately funded.
If funded, how much will you invest and what you will accept for that
investment.
Provide what you will accept, take your money, and go to the bank.
Sales IS the world's oldest profession.
After all if Adam hadn't got that first order from Eve, none of us
would be here.
Lew