This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is
the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage is
100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
Perry
"Perry"
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
I almost had it done. I heard many good things, a few problems
and a few horror stories, but being -7.5 in each eye I decided
to go for it. I had the preop done and surgery scheduled for about
a week later. I decided it was my last chance to do some heavy
research on the procedure and the eyeball itself, as it is irreversable.
I decided against it for a few reasons the clinic was not upfront about.
The corneal flap never really heals. Sometimes the flap can be lifted
years later. That's why any signs of Glaucoma ( too much pressure
in the eye ) rules out a candidate. The internal structure of the cornea
is sort of like a series of crisscrossed transparent rubber bands. Once
the flap is cut and lifted they hog out this material to adjust for focus.
Yes, it's really precise and they can tweak it to make it a bit stronger,
once and maybe twice. Because the eye trys to heal itself the vision
bounces back a bit, that's why they overcorrect. It's usually very minor
and if you are a -6 or better they can use a flying spot laser that adjusts
for your vision that moment, as your eye varies a bit during the day.
Your eyes also change as you age. So your perscription needs will change.
Lasik, nor anything else, doesn't halt that process so you will need
eyeglass correction for distance as well as readers when you age.
True, you'll need less correction than without the surgery, but that
took some of the enthusiasm out for me.
Also, for me, readers with the eye surgery, would only correct to the
point my glasses correct now. I have to remove my glasses for
very detailed work but I can see very well close. I would lose that
after the surgery and would need another set of specialized lenses
for extreme close up vision. I had to really dig to find that out and it
really let some wind out of my sails.
The other problem introduced by surgery is chromatic aberation. If you
think of the lense it brings in light like a camera lense. It's designed
to focus all the colors to one plane. That's why many people after
the surgery see starbursts at night. My friend sees two moons, years later.
The pupil dialates and catches light from the edges of the altered shape.
They admit, when pressed, that some people do lose some contrast
ability. As an artist and photographer that was too much for me. I'm into
photography and the thought of altering the shape of a thoudand dollar
lense is unthinkable. I once aced a color test by putting about thirty colors
in a row ranging from pink to lavender under bad lighting. It surprised
the tester, as it was just an indoor expo and not their usual testing procedure.
I would lose some of that ability so I'll stick with spectacles for now.
There's promising, reversable procedures on the horizon and I can wait.
Many people are very pleased with Lasik but you should know all the facts
before instead of afterwards.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA!
Yes, but the surgery won't do anything to correct for the age-related loss
of close-focus ability.
"Joe Willmann"
> My eyes fully correct to 20/15. I have worn glasses since I was 14. I
> wouldn't let anyone cus/lazer on my eyes for anything.
That's something I forgot to mention. They said there was a good chance
my eyes wouldn't be corrected to my current corrected vision and if so,
couldn't be, even with glasses.
> > Yes, but the surgery won't do anything to correct for the age-related
loss
> > of close-focus ability.
> >
> >
> Yes it will, one time from what the eye doctor told me. He says I'm a
good
> candidate for it but I'm not going to have it done. OTOH, my DIL did and
> she thinks it was great.
I like your doctor better. Mine said otherwise, and that's why I didn't opt
for the surgery. Maybe I should go for a second opinion.
> > I like your doctor better. Mine said otherwise, and that's why I
> > didn't opt for the surgery. Maybe I should go for a second opinion.
>
> Be careful there. I little while ago, 2 years, there was a 60 Minutes
show
> about a woman whose face was ruined in cosmetic surgery. She went to one
> surgon that told here she wasn't a good candidate becuse of her skin type.
> She didn't like what he said so she went for a second, then a third and
> then a forth. She finally found one that said it would be great. She had
> the surgery and was horribly disfigured. Gues what? she sued the surgon
> and used the previous 4 doctors statement to get her money.
>
> The moral is, be careful looking for the opinion you want. You might get
> it and then end up in really bad shape.
Point taken, but it's not so much shopping for one opinion as it is getting
more than one opinion.
I've had it done. They always warn you that you may need reading glasses
in a few years, but its not a big deal to me.
One thing I recommend, is don't go for the macrovision. Thats where they
do one eye normally, and the other eye for close vision. I had that
done, and I regret it..thats my shooting eye!
I'm going to see if I can have that eye redone someday.
John
"John Dykes" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "I am sorry, vanity just isn't worth it."
>
> Dunno - I'm not a sharp looking guy (glasses or not). So vanity doesn't
come
> into it for me..
> Playing ice hockey, dirtbiking, etc, etc, etc. Glasses and contacts are a
> PITA.
>
> When I get money, I'll do it!
>
> -jbd
>
>
Perscription goggles. Yeah I've got em in bifocal no less. Also a
perscription scuba mask.
D. Mo
On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:05:53 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>How old is your wife? Just guessing here, I'd imagine she's under 40, and all
>of Joe's friends who have had LASIK are over 40. It makes a difference. By and
>by, almost everyone needs glasses to read. She just hasn't reached that point
>yet. But she will.
Everyone will whether they have LASIK or not, so that's irrelevant.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> Being 60, I insist that my eye doctor tweak my prescriptions specifically
> for "intermediate" vision (approximately 36" away), both in contacts and
> glasses. We take a good deal of time doing it and it has been well worth
the
> effort.
>
Have you tried progressive lenses? They are much improved over the
originals and I'd not be without them. I get good vision at every distance.
It was explained to me that it is a series of small facets on the lends
instead of one big change like a bi-focal. Years ago it was only in a
narrow strip below the eye, but new lenses are much wider in the field of
view.
Of course being 60 is really old. I'm only 58
Ed
Brian Henderson wrote:
> vision. Everyone will. The fact that these people need reading
> glasses has nothing to do with LASIK, it has to do with the fact that
> they are older.
True, but after my grandmother's cataract surgery, at 80-something, she has
20/15 vision near and far with no glasses of any sort.
I'm not sure how that's possible, since the new lens in her eye can't be
focused, but she can read the fine print on a gnat's pair of BVDs two
inches away or across the room. It's sort of unsettling.
--
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Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
: Doug Miller wrote:
:> had LASIK five years ago and doesn't need them. And I'm telling him that's
:> probably because she isn't old enough to need them yet. "But she will."
: Near sighted and far sighted at the same time is confusing. I need my
: glasses to see far away, but I'm getting to the point where my arms aren't
: going to be long enough for much longer to read fine print.
: I guess I need bifocals soon.
It can be even more confusing than that ;^)
About 15 years ago my long distance vision went a little bad. A very
mild prescription fixed that. It hasn't seemed to get worse.
Then about 5-6 years ago my short vision started to deteriorate -
like you are observing wiht yoruself.
But bifocals are only so good for me:
They can fix the near vision; they can fix the far vision, but both
prescriptions TOTALLY SCREW UP the intermediate vision - like
reading the speedometer in a car. ;^)
--- Gregg
My woodworking projects:
Replicas of 15th-19th century nautical navigational instruments:
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Restoration of my 82 year old Herreshoff S-Boat sailboat:
http://home.comcast.net/~saville/SBOATrestore.htm
Steambending FAQ with photos:
http://home.comcast.net/~saville/Steambend.htm
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."
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GeeDubb <[email protected]> wrote:
: "Gregg Germain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
: news:[email protected]...
:> Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
:> : Doug Miller wrote:
:>
:> :> had LASIK five years ago and doesn't need them. And I'm telling him
: that's
:> :> probably because she isn't old enough to need them yet. "But she will."
:>
:> : Near sighted and far sighted at the same time is confusing. I need my
:> : glasses to see far away, but I'm getting to the point where my arms
: aren't
:> : going to be long enough for much longer to read fine print.
:>
:> : I guess I need bifocals soon.
:>
:> It can be even more confusing than that ;^)
:>
:> About 15 years ago my long distance vision went a little bad. A very
:> mild prescription fixed that. It hasn't seemed to get worse.
:>
:> Then about 5-6 years ago my short vision started to deteriorate -
:> like you are observing wiht yoruself.
:>
:> But bifocals are only so good for me:
:>
: Progressive bifocals fix that though they take some getting use to.
You mean, essentially Tri-focals?
--- Gregg
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."
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"Sam Soltan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Did you ever notice that the doctors who do lasik wear glasses? I wonder
> why?
Actually, mine didn't...
--
Cheers
Nuno Souto
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GeeDubb <[email protected]> wrote:
: "Gregg Germain" snip> :>
:> : Progressive bifocals fix that though they take some getting use to.
:>
:> You mean, essentially Tri-focals?
:>
: See Ed's post for clarification of progressive lenses. Not Tri-focals but
: segmented multiple focals that are not visible (not in mine anyway).
: With mine, up close is (now) the very lowest part of the lens and the far
: away is the very top....guess it's time to get new ones <(;-{. Mid range
: varies through the middle.
: Gary
Ah I see. Might be worth a try.
--- Gregg
"Improvise, adapt, overcome."
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"Sanford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> for unrelated reasons. I began with very bad eyes, so bad that they
> were not doing Lasik on them in the U.S. not too long ago.
That was one of the counter-inications they told me about.
> are mixed. I can read part of the 20/20 line and glasses will not
> correct me to 20/20. But most of my vision is a bit odd after the
> surgery, a kind of fuzziness. And I have significant haloing at night
> so that I prefer not to drive at night too much, though I can do it.
Funny. I did mine last year, around August. Never looked back.
I had -4 before and could hardly drive at night, while my short
distance was going as well due to age.
Now I have better than 20:20 at distance. The night vision
is back and I can drive again. The short distance is gone,
but that is age-related and nothing I can do about it.
So, I have very thin +1.5 glasses for reading and working
on the computer screen, and that's it.
Drawbacks? None that I can figure. Other than it being a lot
more painful than what I was led to believe. A complete
eye mask protecting from ANY light immediately after the
surgery should IMHO be mandatory. And the first 6 hours
are very uncomfortable. But at midnight I could read
the TV text across the room!
Ah: and golf has never looked so good!
--
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Nuno Souto
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On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 12:17:24 -0600, Perry wrote:
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
> Perry
I had RK done in '94 before lasik was available. Had the left eye done
for distance and the right eye for reading - I think it's called
mono-vision?
I do need reading glasses in low light situations or for very small print,
but I would't go back.
--
-Doug
On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 02:44:32 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
wrote:
>Three posts back, "Joe" said he knows two dozen people that had LASIK and now
>they all read reading glasses. The guy I responded to said his wife had LASIK
>five years ago and doesn't need them. And I'm telling him that's probably
>because she isn't old enough to need them yet. "But she will."
Sure she will, and I, who have better than 20/20 vision, will
eventually need them as well. My father did and he had perfect
vision. Everyone will. The fact that these people need reading
glasses has nothing to do with LASIK, it has to do with the fact that
they are older.
Glasses with the right lenses act as safety glasses. Lasik doesn't
provide any protection. I always wear my glasses in the shop, when I
was younger I wore a non-correcting pair whole working.
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
> camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
> and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
> nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
> Perry
On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:41:58 GMT, Joe Willmann
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I know two dozen people, no exageration here, that have had lasik.
>Without fail, every one of them still have to wear glasses. Most of
>them had their near sightedness fixed. So now they can see great at a
>distance. But the HAVE to wear reading glasses to see close up.
>Because of this they have to have glasses with them all the time anyway.
>Most of them end up wearing glasses all the time now because it is the
>only way to make sure that they have their glasses with them.
That's funny, my wife had it done about 5 years ago and hasn't had a
pair of glasses on since. Her eyes are now above 20/20 with zero
problems and zero complications.
Does having lasik rule out cataract surgery later in life, should it be
needed?
John
Perry wrote:
>This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
>several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
>lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
>camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
>and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
>South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
>nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
>and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
>with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
>maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
>Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is
>the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
>appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
>and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
>angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
>the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage is
>100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
>corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
>If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
>for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
>Perry
>
>
>
Gregg Germain wrote:
> But bifocals are only so good for me:
>
> They can fix the near vision; they can fix the far vision, but both
> prescriptions TOTALLY SCREW UP the intermediate vision - like
> reading the speedometer in a car. ;^)
That's why they make trifocals I guess. :)
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (brian roth) wrote:
>
>Not trying to scare you but take a look at:
>
>www.surgicaleyes.org
>www.lasikdisaster.com
>
>There are complications that happen, and they are usually serious.
>
>Chroinically dry eyes, double or triple vision, starbursts at night,
>loss of contrast sensitivity, etc. All of which can still read the
>20/20 line on the eye chart, and are deemed a success.
Exactly why I urged caution. You can decide not to have the surgery now, and
change your mind a year later, but it doesn't work the other way around.
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Perry,
I did it two years ago this June. I was great! My vision wasn't that bad,
but I still couldn't drive without glasses. Contacts worked for me for many
years, but I always had to have spare lenses and solution around. In the
glove box of all the cars, my wife had a spare lens in her purse, one in my
brief case, etc. I took a train to NYC and had the operation done. It took
less than 1 hour in the doctor's office. I had a car service drive me home
so I wouldn't have to strain my eyes, plus the drugs wouldn't have made it a
good idea. I can home and went to bed. I got up the next morning and could
see! I drove myself into the city for the follow up exam.
If you want to talk about the risks, then you need to consider how many
people die in car crashes ever day, I assume you are taking a car to the
doctor's office. Have you considered how many accidents happen in the wood
shop? How about the risk of heart desease?
I'm making fun of your fear for a purpose. Yes it's real, yes I was afraid,
and yes the outcome was worth the risk! Think about how great it will be the
next morning when you get out of bed and can see!
A couple of antidotes to finish up. Make sure you have closed eye friendly
food around. I got mine done in the morning. I slept until about 8PM, but
got up hungry. My wife offered to make me some pasta. Yea right, I can twirl
pasta with my eyes closed, hahahaha. Then there's the issue of stabing
myself with the fork, hahaha. I opted for the ham standwich. Not real
painful if you miss your mouth.
The other story is I had to wear googles to bed to keep from handling my
eyes while I sleep. No big deal to me, but it freaked the cat out! Normally
the cat is my buddy, but apparently the round bug eye protects really ment
something in cat speak, hahahaha.
Get it done! You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner!
Bernie
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
(cycling,
> camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
(upholstery
> and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on
the
> nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage
is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and
cons.
> Perry
>
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (brian roth) wrote:
>Mark <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>BTW, some lasik
>> centers around here line up 30 people for a one day lasik marathon that
>> are all performed by the same doc. Then he flies to another city and
>> does it again, and again and again. Make sure you talk to the doc who
>> will be doing the procedure and ask how many he will be doing on that
>> day. Good luck Mark
>
>30 is on the low side anymore. It's not uncommon for a doctor to
>pound out 60 or more in a day.
Assembly-line surgery. What a concept. Hard to see how that's good for anyone
except the surgeon and his accountant.
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"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage
is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
I had Lasik a few years ago. I was a -5, and now have slightly better
than 20/20 vision - about in the range of 20/15 or so. At the time
the leading edge was the flying spot LIDAR laser, now I think
there's something called wavefront technology that's even better.
I did suffer some loss of near vision. Before, as my optometrist
put it, my eyes "could focus like crazy" for really close stuff. I
can still read just fine, but now I need to use drugstore reading
glasses when prying splinters out of my fingers. I'm 36 years
old, and like everyone else will probably need those glasses
for reading sometime in my 40's - Lasik can't help that unless
you go for monovision. Although there's some interesting research
in the area of helping the eye maintain flexibility as you age, so
the inevitable reading glasses may one day not be quite so
inevitable.
Anyway, I also have a bit of a loss of night vision, or in very high-
contrast situations. For example auto headlights at night have a bit
of a halo around them. Your surgeon should be able to tell you prior
to the surgery how likely this effect is for you - they measure your
dilated pupils and do some calculations on the amount of correction
required to get an idea. But it's not exact, since my doc said they
don't know for sure until they lift the flap.
One other side-effect is that my eyes got extremely dry at night.
If I have to get up in the middle of the night (courtesy of my
7 year old), my eyes were seriously gummy to the point of
having blurry vision for 10-15 minutes unless I used eye drops.
It was rough for the first couple years following the surgery,
but has gotten a lot better in the past year.
Do a lot of research before you decide. There are certainly
some horror stories out there. However, I believe most
of these potential issues will be detected in advance by a
good doctor. Also, the success rate is significantly higher
for doctors who've performed over 1000 surgeries or so -
I forget the exact number. So absolutely look for the best
guy around.
Best of luck to you and let us know what you decide.
--Neil
You've got it, brother. I live in Nederland and work in Port Arthur, which
sometimes means I'm in Sabine Pass. If the afore mentioned aspects of local
don't get you, the skeeters certainly will.
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Oh, you must be down around Orange and the Beaumont area.
> Perry
> "TexasFireGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Incidentally, I live on the Gulf Coast just a few miles from Louisianna,
> so
> > I know what you mean about the heat and humidity.
> >
> > "TexasFireGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same
> question
> > on
> > > > several different forums and discussion groups that I participate
in.
> > My
> > > > lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
> > > (cycling,
> > > > camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
> > > (upholstery
> > > > and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It
> is
> > > > South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping
> on
> > > the
> > > > nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear
> > contacts
> > > > and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing
> caught
> > up
> > > > with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> > > > maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> > > > Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here
> who
> > > is
> > > > the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> > > > appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it
> > done,
> > > > and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and
> does
> > > > angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small
percentage
> > of
> > > > the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your
> > percentage
> > > is
> > > > 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to
be
> > > > corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> > > > If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking
> > here
> > > > for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros
and
> > > cons.
> > > > Perry
> > > >
> > >
> > > I am about to undergo the procedure myself (in 2 months) and am all
for
> > it.
> > > In my profession (firefighting) glasses and contacts are a HUGE
problem.
> > > You can't wear glasses with an SCBA on unless you buy an expensive,
damn
> > > near useless pair of glasses that actually mount inside the mask. And
> > > contacts are a very bad idea as well because there is a possibility,
> > > although pretty darn slim, of having them blown back around your
eyeball
> > > where you can't get to them and they'll cause major problems and
> > discomfort.
> > >
> > > Several of the guys I work with had PRK done several years ago. Some
> had
> > > good results and some not so good....they're still wearing glasses,
just
> > not
> > > so thick. But a lot more of them, as well as friends from off the
job,
> > have
> > > had Lasik done in the last few years and, as far as my recent pre-op
> > polling
> > > has determined, there has been a 100% success rate around here.
> > >
> > > My ophthalmologist, who is not associated with the surgury and has
been
> in
> > > practice for a LONG time, was the one who initially recommended I do
it.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Oh, you must be down around Orange and the Beaumont area.
Perry
"TexasFireGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Incidentally, I live on the Gulf Coast just a few miles from Louisianna,
so
> I know what you mean about the heat and humidity.
>
> "TexasFireGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same
question
> on
> > > several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in.
> My
> > > lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
> > (cycling,
> > > camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
> > (upholstery
> > > and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It
is
> > > South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping
on
> > the
> > > nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear
> contacts
> > > and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing
caught
> up
> > > with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> > > maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> > > Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here
who
> > is
> > > the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> > > appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it
> done,
> > > and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and
does
> > > angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage
> of
> > > the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your
> percentage
> > is
> > > 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> > > corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> > > If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking
> here
> > > for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and
> > cons.
> > > Perry
> > >
> >
> > I am about to undergo the procedure myself (in 2 months) and am all for
> it.
> > In my profession (firefighting) glasses and contacts are a HUGE problem.
> > You can't wear glasses with an SCBA on unless you buy an expensive, damn
> > near useless pair of glasses that actually mount inside the mask. And
> > contacts are a very bad idea as well because there is a possibility,
> > although pretty darn slim, of having them blown back around your eyeball
> > where you can't get to them and they'll cause major problems and
> discomfort.
> >
> > Several of the guys I work with had PRK done several years ago. Some
had
> > good results and some not so good....they're still wearing glasses, just
> not
> > so thick. But a lot more of them, as well as friends from off the job,
> have
> > had Lasik done in the last few years and, as far as my recent pre-op
> polling
> > has determined, there has been a 100% success rate around here.
> >
> > My ophthalmologist, who is not associated with the surgury and has been
in
> > practice for a LONG time, was the one who initially recommended I do it.
> >
> >
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, Gregg Germain <[email protected]> wrote:
>GeeDubb <[email protected]> wrote:
>: Progressive bifocals fix that though they take some getting use to.
>
> You mean, essentially Tri-focals?
>
No. Trifocals have three distinct segments. In a progressive lens (also known
colloquially but incorrectly as a "no-line bifocal"), the correction is
continuously variable from the reading correction in the bottom portion of the
lens up to the distance correction in the upper half. You can get whatever
correction you need in between those two extremes just by tilting your head up
or down slightly. I've been wearing progressives for about four years now, and
I love 'em.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:41:58 GMT, Joe Willmann
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I know two dozen people, no exageration here, that have had lasik.
>>Without fail, every one of them still have to wear glasses. Most of
>>them had their near sightedness fixed. So now they can see great at a
>>distance. But the HAVE to wear reading glasses to see close up.
>>Because of this they have to have glasses with them all the time anyway.
>>Most of them end up wearing glasses all the time now because it is the
>>only way to make sure that they have their glasses with them.
>
>That's funny, my wife had it done about 5 years ago and hasn't had a
>pair of glasses on since. Her eyes are now above 20/20 with zero
>problems and zero complications.
How old is your wife? Just guessing here, I'd imagine she's under 40, and all
of Joe's friends who have had LASIK are over 40. It makes a difference. By and
by, almost everyone needs glasses to read. She just hasn't reached that point
yet. But she will.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
Incidentally, I live on the Gulf Coast just a few miles from Louisianna, so
I know what you mean about the heat and humidity.
"TexasFireGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question
on
> > several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in.
My
> > lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
> (cycling,
> > camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
> (upholstery
> > and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> > South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on
> the
> > nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear
contacts
> > and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught
up
> > with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> > maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> > Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
> is
> > the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> > appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it
done,
> > and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> > angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage
of
> > the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your
percentage
> is
> > 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> > corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> > If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking
here
> > for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and
> cons.
> > Perry
> >
>
> I am about to undergo the procedure myself (in 2 months) and am all for
it.
> In my profession (firefighting) glasses and contacts are a HUGE problem.
> You can't wear glasses with an SCBA on unless you buy an expensive, damn
> near useless pair of glasses that actually mount inside the mask. And
> contacts are a very bad idea as well because there is a possibility,
> although pretty darn slim, of having them blown back around your eyeball
> where you can't get to them and they'll cause major problems and
discomfort.
>
> Several of the guys I work with had PRK done several years ago. Some had
> good results and some not so good....they're still wearing glasses, just
not
> so thick. But a lot more of them, as well as friends from off the job,
have
> had Lasik done in the last few years and, as far as my recent pre-op
polling
> has determined, there has been a 100% success rate around here.
>
> My ophthalmologist, who is not associated with the surgury and has been in
> practice for a LONG time, was the one who initially recommended I do it.
>
>
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > Yes, but the surgery won't do anything to correct for the age-related
loss
> > of close-focus ability.
>
> Yes it will, one time from what the eye doctor told me. He says I'm a
good
> candidate for it but I'm not going to have it done. OTOH, my DIL did and
> she thinks it was great.
The way they correct for that with Lasik is mono-vision; they adjust
one eye for distance vision and the other for close-up. Sounds
pretty weird, but apparently you get used to it. There's currently
no medical way to address the root cause, which is the eye
loosing flexibility as it gets older. Everybody needs reading
glasses eventually, typically once you get over 40.
--Neil
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
(cycling,
> camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
(upholstery
> and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on
the
> nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage
is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and
cons.
> Perry
>
I am about to undergo the procedure myself (in 2 months) and am all for it.
In my profession (firefighting) glasses and contacts are a HUGE problem.
You can't wear glasses with an SCBA on unless you buy an expensive, damn
near useless pair of glasses that actually mount inside the mask. And
contacts are a very bad idea as well because there is a possibility,
although pretty darn slim, of having them blown back around your eyeball
where you can't get to them and they'll cause major problems and discomfort.
Several of the guys I work with had PRK done several years ago. Some had
good results and some not so good....they're still wearing glasses, just not
so thick. But a lot more of them, as well as friends from off the job, have
had Lasik done in the last few years and, as far as my recent pre-op polling
has determined, there has been a 100% success rate around here.
My ophthalmologist, who is not associated with the surgury and has been in
practice for a LONG time, was the one who initially recommended I do it.
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same
> question on several different forums and discussion groups that I
> participate in. My lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as
> possible), hobbies (cycling, camping, hiking, spending time with my
> dogs outside), occupation (upholstery and carpentry) are all impacted
> by the fact that I wear glasses. It is South Louisiana and glasses
> are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the nose, the whole nine
> yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts and didn't need
> close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up with me and
> contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to maintain a
> high standard of detail in my upholstery. Lasik has come such a long
> way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is the area front
> runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an appointment this
> afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done, and he says
> WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage
> of the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your
> percentage is 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will
> still have to be corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking
> here for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros
> and cons. Perry
>
>
I know two dozen people, no exageration here, that have had lasik.
Without fail, every one of them still have to wear glasses. Most of
them had their near sightedness fixed. So now they can see great at a
distance. But the HAVE to wear reading glasses to see close up.
Because of this they have to have glasses with them all the time anyway.
Most of them end up wearing glasses all the time now because it is the
only way to make sure that they have their glasses with them.
One other thing. If you have worn glasses all your life then you are
probaly used to relying on your glasses for safety. So you have not
trained yourself to pick up safety glasses all the time. Be carefull.
My eyes fully correct to 20/15. I have worn glasses since I was 14. I
wouldn't let anyone cus/lazer on my eyes for anything.
Lets say the risk of it going wrong is 1/1000. That is probably a
bigger risk than getting killed by clibing out the window of a moving
car at 60 MPH and climbing on the hood. Would you do that?
I am sorry, vanity just isn't worth it.
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> I like your doctor better. Mine said otherwise, and that's why I
> didn't opt for the surgery. Maybe I should go for a second opinion.
Be careful there. I little while ago, 2 years, there was a 60 Minutes show
about a woman whose face was ruined in cosmetic surgery. She went to one
surgon that told here she wasn't a good candidate becuse of her skin type.
She didn't like what he said so she went for a second, then a third and
then a forth. She finally found one that said it would be great. She had
the surgery and was horribly disfigured. Gues what? she sued the surgon
and used the previous 4 doctors statement to get her money.
The moral is, be careful looking for the opinion you want. You might get
it and then end up in really bad shape.
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
>
> "Swingman" wrote in message >
> > Being 60, I insist that my eye doctor tweak my prescriptions
specifically
> > for "intermediate" vision (approximately 36" away), both in contacts and
> > glasses. We take a good deal of time doing it and it has been well worth
> the
> > effort.
> >
>
> Have you tried progressive lenses? They are much improved over the
> originals and I'd not be without them. I get good vision at every
distance.
I've heard about them, but haven't kept up with the technology. I'll sure
keep those in mind next time ... I just picked up my new prescription
glasses and contacts yesterday.
> It was explained to me that it is a series of small facets on the lends
> instead of one big change like a bi-focal. Years ago it was only in a
> narrow strip below the eye, but new lenses are much wider in the field of
> view.
>
> Of course being 60 is really old. I'm only 58
Tell me about it ... the aches and pains geometrically progress with each
passing year, so you got something to look forward to. The occasional Aleve
is your best friend.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 2/28/04
"mp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Yes, but the surgery won't do anything to correct for the age-related loss
> of close-focus ability.
>
>
Yes it will, one time from what the eye doctor told me. He says I'm a good
candidate for it but I'm not going to have it done. OTOH, my DIL did and
she thinks it was great.
Ed
I had lasik done maybe five years ago. Originally I did it for
whitewater kayaking on cold Montana rivers where glasses are really a
problem, but unfortunately my kayaking days ended soon after my Lasik
for unrelated reasons. I began with very bad eyes, so bad that they
were not doing Lasik on them in the U.S. not too long ago. My results
are mixed. I can read part of the 20/20 line and glasses will not
correct me to 20/20. But most of my vision is a bit odd after the
surgery, a kind of fuzziness. And I have significant haloing at night
so that I prefer not to drive at night too much, though I can do it.
Still, it was worth it, though only marginally so. Prior to Lasick,
particularly since I started wearing bifocals (or rather, "progressive
lenses"), I had pretty much permanent eye strain. After Lasik, that
went away completely. I do need my reading glasses, but can do some
basic reading without them at the moment. Not too big a deal. Every
time I get irritated by a halo at night, my wife reminds me that I no
longer have any eyestrain! Sanford
[email protected] (Charles Erskine) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Glasses with the right lenses act as safety glasses. Lasik doesn't
> provide any protection. I always wear my glasses in the shop, when I
> was younger I wore a non-correcting pair whole working.
>
> "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> > several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> > lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
> > camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
> > and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> > South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
> > nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> > and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> > with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> > maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> > Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is
> > the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> > appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> > and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> > angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> > the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage is
> > 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> > corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> > If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> > for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
> > Perry
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
>>several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
>>lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
>>camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
>>and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
>>South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
>>nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
>
> [snip]
>
>>I do know that close vision will still have to be
>>corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
>
>
> Ask somebody who wears reading glasses if he finds it a nuisance to put them
> on, take them off, put them on, take them off, look around to try to find
> them, wonder what room he left them in... SWMBO is *always* forgetting to
> bring hers along when we go somewhere.
>
> I'm both nearsighted and astigmatic to the extent that my vision cannot be
> corrected with RK surgery. So when LASIK came along, I checked in to that --
> until I realized that I'd need reading glasses anyway. Figured after wearing
> glasses for 30+ years already, I'd rather keep doing so than to have to wonder
> where I left the reading glasses.
>
> Before having the LASIK procedure, talk to an optician about making your
> glasses more comfortable. Silicone nose pads help the slipping-down-your-nose
> problem quite a bit, and adjustments can be made to the earpieces as well.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
> For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
>
>
I just had my eyes checked and asked the same questions of the eye Dr. Not
sure exactly whether he was an ,Optometrist or opthamologist, a military
Dr, but he wears glasses and had looked into it also. He said once you
have the surgery ALL short range vision goes. I wear bifocals now, and
shift to my old simgle vision ones for most general wearing, soon to be two
different pairs of bifocals, and he said I would lose even the very close
up vision that I now remove my glasses to see, about 12" to 4" or so. I'd
have to carry reading glasses and a jewelers loop, or a magnifying visor.
So, I'll wait to see if it gets any better. I'm used to glasses, even the
fairly recent two pair solution.
Joe
TexasFireGuy wrote:
> "Joe Gorman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>>I just had my eyes checked and asked the same questions of the eye Dr.
>
> Not
>
>>sure exactly whether he was an ,Optometrist or opthamologist, a military
>>Dr, but he wears glasses and had looked into it also. He said once you
>>have the surgery ALL short range vision goes. I wear bifocals now, and
>>shift to my old simgle vision ones for most general wearing, soon to be
>
> two
>
>>different pairs of bifocals, and he said I would lose even the very close
>>up vision that I now remove my glasses to see, about 12" to 4" or so. I'd
>>have to carry reading glasses and a jewelers loop, or a magnifying visor.
>>So, I'll wait to see if it gets any better. I'm used to glasses, even
>
> the
>
>>fairly recent two pair solution.
>>Joe
>>
>
>
> I don't really know much about it yet, but there's a new procedure that
> apparently uses air pressure to reshape your cornea. You might want to ask
> about it. It may be a solution to your problem. And it seems that this way
> you're not actually cutting the cornea in any way. As I said, I don't know
> much about it, but it can't hurt to ask.
>
>
Yes, every year as it gets close to setting up the Medical Savings accounts
for such things I look at the newest procedures. If you check my email
addy you'l see I can do some close up research.
Joe
"Gregg Germain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Silvan <[email protected]> wrote:
> : Doug Miller wrote:
>
> :> had LASIK five years ago and doesn't need them. And I'm telling him
that's
> :> probably because she isn't old enough to need them yet. "But she will."
>
> : Near sighted and far sighted at the same time is confusing. I need my
> : glasses to see far away, but I'm getting to the point where my arms
aren't
> : going to be long enough for much longer to read fine print.
>
> : I guess I need bifocals soon.
>
> It can be even more confusing than that ;^)
>
> About 15 years ago my long distance vision went a little bad. A very
> mild prescription fixed that. It hasn't seemed to get worse.
>
> Then about 5-6 years ago my short vision started to deteriorate -
> like you are observing wiht yoruself.
>
> But bifocals are only so good for me:
>
Progressive bifocals fix that though they take some getting use to.
Gary
"Gregg Germain" snip> :>
> : Progressive bifocals fix that though they take some getting use to.
>
> You mean, essentially Tri-focals?
>
See Ed's post for clarification of progressive lenses. Not Tri-focals but
segmented multiple focals that are not visible (not in mine anyway).
With mine, up close is (now) the very lowest part of the lens and the far
away is the very top....guess it's time to get new ones <(;-{. Mid range
varies through the middle.
Gary
"Joe Gorman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> I just had my eyes checked and asked the same questions of the eye Dr.
Not
> sure exactly whether he was an ,Optometrist or opthamologist, a military
> Dr, but he wears glasses and had looked into it also. He said once you
> have the surgery ALL short range vision goes. I wear bifocals now, and
> shift to my old simgle vision ones for most general wearing, soon to be
two
> different pairs of bifocals, and he said I would lose even the very close
> up vision that I now remove my glasses to see, about 12" to 4" or so. I'd
> have to carry reading glasses and a jewelers loop, or a magnifying visor.
> So, I'll wait to see if it gets any better. I'm used to glasses, even
the
> fairly recent two pair solution.
> Joe
>
I don't really know much about it yet, but there's a new procedure that
apparently uses air pressure to reshape your cornea. You might want to ask
about it. It may be a solution to your problem. And it seems that this way
you're not actually cutting the cornea in any way. As I said, I don't know
much about it, but it can't hurt to ask.
Don't lose sight that these ARE the good old days! BTDT!!
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:16:45 -0600, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Tell me about it ... the aches and pains geometrically progress with each
>passing year, so you got something to look forward to. The occasional Aleve
>is your best friend.
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
> camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
> and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
> nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
> Perry
Not trying to scare you but take a look at:
www.surgicaleyes.org
www.lasikdisaster.com
There are complications that happen, and they are usually serious.
Chroinically dry eyes, double or triple vision, starbursts at night,
loss of contrast sensitivity, etc. All of which can still read the
20/20 line on the eye chart, and are deemed a success.
Mark <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
BTW, some lasik
> centers around here line up 30 people for a one day lasik marathon that
> are all performed by the same doc. Then he flies to another city and
> does it again, and again and again. Make sure you talk to the doc who
> will be doing the procedure and ask how many he will be doing on that
> day. Good luck Mark
>
30 is on the low side anymore. It's not uncommon for a doctor to
pound out 60 or more in a day.
This is funny, on my outlook reader, to mark this subject so it's easily
identifiable....the little icon is a pair of eyeglasses!!
"TexasFireGuy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question
on
> > several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in.
My
> > lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
> (cycling,
> > camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
> (upholstery
> > and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> > South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on
> the
> > nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear
contacts
> > and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught
up
> > with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> > maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> > Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
> is
> > the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> > appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it
done,
> > and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> > angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage
of
> > the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your
percentage
> is
> > 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> > corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> > If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking
here
> > for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and
> cons.
> > Perry
> >
>
> I am about to undergo the procedure myself (in 2 months) and am all for
it.
> In my profession (firefighting) glasses and contacts are a HUGE problem.
> You can't wear glasses with an SCBA on unless you buy an expensive, damn
> near useless pair of glasses that actually mount inside the mask. And
> contacts are a very bad idea as well because there is a possibility,
> although pretty darn slim, of having them blown back around your eyeball
> where you can't get to them and they'll cause major problems and
discomfort.
>
> Several of the guys I work with had PRK done several years ago. Some had
> good results and some not so good....they're still wearing glasses, just
not
> so thick. But a lot more of them, as well as friends from off the job,
have
> had Lasik done in the last few years and, as far as my recent pre-op
polling
> has determined, there has been a 100% success rate around here.
>
> My ophthalmologist, who is not associated with the surgury and has been in
> practice for a LONG time, was the one who initially recommended I do it.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:05:53 GMT, [email protected] (Doug Miller)
>wrote:
>
>>How old is your wife? Just guessing here, I'd imagine she's under 40, and all
>>of Joe's friends who have had LASIK are over 40. It makes a difference. By and
>
>>by, almost everyone needs glasses to read. She just hasn't reached that point
>>yet. But she will.
>
>Everyone will whether they have LASIK or not, so that's irrelevant.
Maybe you should read it again. That's exactly the point I was making --
exactly what I *said*, in fact: "By and by, almost everyone needs glasses to
read."
Three posts back, "Joe" said he knows two dozen people that had LASIK and now
they all read reading glasses. The guy I responded to said his wife had LASIK
five years ago and doesn't need them. And I'm telling him that's probably
because she isn't old enough to need them yet. "But she will."
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In article <[email protected]>, "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi Doug,
>Every couple of months I change the non slip nose pads on my glasses so that
>they're really grippy, and my earpieces are form bent and fitted around my
>ear. I can't get glasses to fit any better than this or snugger.
>Perry
For me, reading glasses would be the greater nuisance. YMMV.
Just use caution: if you decide not to have the surgery now, you can always
change your mind in a year. Doesn't work the other way around.
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On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:17:24 -0600, "Perry"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> My
>lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
>camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
>and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
>South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
>nose, the whole nine yards.
The reason that I don't go for surgery or contacts is that I know
myself too well.
My glasses have saved my eyes from various projectiles on a number of
occasions and I know that I would not wear safety glasses, at all of
the appropriate times, if my vision were corrected.
The fact that I can't see very well without my glasses has almost
certainly kept me from not being able to see at all.
Thomas J. Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
(Real Email is tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Hi Doug,
Every couple of months I change the non slip nose pads on my glasses so that
they're really grippy, and my earpieces are form bent and fitted around my
ear. I can't get glasses to fit any better than this or snugger.
Perry
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Perry"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> >This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question
on
> >several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> >lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
(cycling,
> >camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
(upholstery
> >and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> >South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on
the
> >nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> [snip]
> > I do know that close vision will still have to be
> >corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
>
> Ask somebody who wears reading glasses if he finds it a nuisance to put
them
> on, take them off, put them on, take them off, look around to try to find
> them, wonder what room he left them in... SWMBO is *always* forgetting to
> bring hers along when we go somewhere.
>
> I'm both nearsighted and astigmatic to the extent that my vision cannot be
> corrected with RK surgery. So when LASIK came along, I checked in to
that --
> until I realized that I'd need reading glasses anyway. Figured after
wearing
> glasses for 30+ years already, I'd rather keep doing so than to have to
wonder
> where I left the reading glasses.
>
> Before having the LASIK procedure, talk to an optician about making your
> glasses more comfortable. Silicone nose pads help the
slipping-down-your-nose
> problem quite a bit, and adjustments can be made to the earpieces as well.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
> For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
> send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
>
>
Swingman wrote:
> odometer, the fretboard of my bass, etc. without bifocals, or having to
A real bass ain't got no frets, Swingman.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
My wife had it a year ago. Cost US$3400 The doc was one of the more
expensive, but he had done some high profile patients (had pics of them
in his office) and your eyes are not something you want to send to the
lowest bidder!!! Her prescription was around 800 before, and
afterwards she is now 20/25. Her doc recommends a minor touch up to get
to 20/20. She is VERY satisfied with the results. BTW, some lasik
centers around here line up 30 people for a one day lasik marathon that
are all performed by the same doc. Then he flies to another city and
does it again, and again and again. Make sure you talk to the doc who
will be doing the procedure and ask how many he will be doing on that
day. Good luck Mark
Perry wrote:
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
> camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
> and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
> nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and cons.
> Perry
>
My left eye was difficult to see through and close up reading the tape
for cutting was tough! Had cataract removed and next day during
follow-up appointment scheduled the right eye. Drug store glasses
help with newspaper and monitor but I could get by without. Colors
are back, details I'd forgotten about are back, I'm sorry I waited so
long!
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:45:58 -0800, "mp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
>is
>> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
>> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
>> and he says WOWZA!
>
>Yes, but the surgery won't do anything to correct for the age-related loss
>of close-focus ability.
>
"Mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> My wife had it a year ago. Cost US$3400
<SNIP>
I'm lucky in that my insurance covers Lasik. I hear that's a rare thing.
Doug Miller wrote:
> Assembly-line surgery. What a concept. Hard to see how that's good for
> anyone except the surgeon and his accountant.
For a really scary account, google around. Somewhere out there is a
write-up of a clinic in the former Soviet Union that used to do radial
keratotomy (predacessor to LASIK, using a scalpel) on a setup that had
patients lie on beds situated around a giant turret. They did step one,
then rotated you to the next doctor, did step two, etc.
I can't find the original article I read some time back, but I've turned up
a few corroborating factoids. It was the Moscow Eye Microsurgery Centre,
operated by Dr. Svyatoslav Fyodorov. At the peak of this clinic's heyday
they were performing an operation every 19 seconds.
Every 19 seconds...
Wow, I'm glad to be an American.
Anyway, LASIK isn't radial keratotomy, and it's supposed to be much safer.
For my eyes, it's not safe enough. I'd have to have absolutely wretched
vision to even contemplate it. The same goes for the gamut of
alternatives. My eyes are just fine the way they are, and I'm not letting
anybody cut or burn or chemically alter them while I have any control over
my own body.
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Doug Miller wrote:
> had LASIK five years ago and doesn't need them. And I'm telling him that's
> probably because she isn't old enough to need them yet. "But she will."
Near sighted and far sighted at the same time is confusing. I need my
glasses to see far away, but I'm getting to the point where my arms aren't
going to be long enough for much longer to read fine print.
I guess I need bifocals soon.
--
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
In article <[email protected]>, "Perry" <[email protected]> wrote:
>This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
>several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
>lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies (cycling,
>camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation (upholstery
>and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
>South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on the
>nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
[snip]
> I do know that close vision will still have to be
>corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
Ask somebody who wears reading glasses if he finds it a nuisance to put them
on, take them off, put them on, take them off, look around to try to find
them, wonder what room he left them in... SWMBO is *always* forgetting to
bring hers along when we go somewhere.
I'm both nearsighted and astigmatic to the extent that my vision cannot be
corrected with RK surgery. So when LASIK came along, I checked in to that --
until I realized that I'd need reading glasses anyway. Figured after wearing
glasses for 30+ years already, I'd rather keep doing so than to have to wonder
where I left the reading glasses.
Before having the LASIK procedure, talk to an optician about making your
glasses more comfortable. Silicone nose pads help the slipping-down-your-nose
problem quite a bit, and adjustments can be made to the earpieces as well.
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
For a copy of my TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter,
send email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com
"Silvan" wrote in message
> Swingman wrote:
>
> > odometer, the fretboard of my bass, etc. without bifocals, or having to
>
> A real bass ain't got no frets, Swingman.
... and neither does it have more than four strings, but look around you.
While my fretless has a "fingerboard" (I don't need to look at it while
playing), a "fretboard" does not necessarily have frets ... just think Jaco.
:)
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Last update: 3/05/04
"Gregg Germain" wrote in message
>
> They can fix the near vision; they can fix the far vision, but both
> prescriptions TOTALLY SCREW UP the intermediate vision - like
> reading the speedometer in a car. ;^)
Being 60, I insist that my eye doctor tweak my prescriptions specifically
for "intermediate" vision (approximately 36" away), both in contacts and
glasses. We take a good deal of time doing it and it has been well worth the
effort.
Granted, the distant vision suffers a tad from doing so, but I don't really
need "perfect" 20/20 vision to drive, or do anything else, and it is much
more convenient to be able to see the computer screen, the odometer, the
fretboard of my bass, etc. without bifocals, or having to change glasses or
contacts.
I had to twist her arm to do it the first time a few years back, but she now
agrees it was a good idea, at least for me.
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my advice: do one eye at at time. if the first one goes blind, well.....
dont do the other.
randy
"Perry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This may or may not be construed as OT. I am asking this same question on
> several different forums and discussion groups that I participate in. My
> lifestyle (being outside, and active as much as possible), hobbies
(cycling,
> camping, hiking, spending time with my dogs outside), occupation
(upholstery
> and carpentry) are all impacted by the fact that I wear glasses. It is
> South Louisiana and glasses are a real pain. Sweat, foggy, slipping on
the
> nose, the whole nine yards. Up until my early 40's I could wear contacts
> and didn't need close vision correction. Well, the bifocal thing caught up
> with me and contacts don't provide the visual accuity that I need to
> maintain a high standard of detail in my upholstery.
> Lasik has come such a long way, and we have an excellent doctor here who
is
> the area front runner, not the "guy who is the cheapest". I have an
> appointment this afternoon for consultation. My best friend had it done,
> and he says WOWZA! OTOH, I have a friend who works at a clinic and does
> angiograms on eyes and says that Lasik failures are a small percentage of
> the doctor's numbers, but if *you* are that failure, then your percentage
is
> 100%. That's scary. I do know that close vision will still have to be
> corrected with "readers" but that's do-able.
> If anyone is offended by the off topic, I apologize, but I am asking here
> for anyone in a similar situations, etc. who may have input, pros and
cons.
> Perry
>
"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The reason that I don't go for surgery or contacts is that I know
> myself too well.
>
> My glasses have saved my eyes from various projectiles on a number of
> occasions and I know that I would not wear safety glasses, at all of
> the appropriate times, if my vision were corrected.
>
> The fact that I can't see very well without my glasses has almost
> certainly kept me from not being able to see at all.
>
>
I have a pair of safety glasses hanging on every stationary tool and one
hanging in front of my power tool storage. I've seen too many people with
eye and facial injuries that could have been prevented by the use of safety
glasses.