Now Which Miter gauge??

On 6/2/2011 7:24 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/2/2011 7:20 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/2/2011 7:09 AM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>>>
>>> IMO they all have some undesirable traits but, for sheer repeatable
>>> accuracy I've never been able to beat my Woodhaven ...
>>>
>>> I know you don't like it, but mine works and yours doesn't! <g, d & r>
>>>
>>
>> I have a Domino.,... ;~)
>
> I have a Multi-Router ... take that!
>
>> Actually I was looking at the Woodhaven, I keep thinking you have the
>> JDS miter gauge. Actually the Kreg is very much like the Woodhaven.
>>
>> Looks like Woodhaven also uses a brass indexing pin but uses brass in
>> the common indexing holes, perhaps that would prevent the seize problem
>> I had yesterday.
>>
>> Now if only I could get more details that their web site offers....
>
> Come and get it. It's yours anytime you want to use it/give it a try. As
> you know, basically between shops and its not being used at all.
>

Well thank you but I don't want to change you miter slot settings from
your saw to mine and then back again....

I am not sure the thing is available any more. I visited all the
dealers that Woodhaven listed and none show the miter gauge and one
listed the Deluxe as discontinued.. ;~( Next time I am over I'll try to
take a closer look.

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/6/2011 8:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/6/11 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>>>
>>>
>>> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>>>
>>> Thank you EDWARD
>>
>> HAHA!! Leon, it appears you have what my mom calls Halfheimer's. :-)
>>
>>
> I am also claiming lack of sleep. Saturday night a neighbor's 2 Pit Bulls
> went after it barking non stop from 1:00 am Sunday morning until about
> 5:00 am Sunday morning until animal control picked one up.
> Three times neighbors called police, 5 squad cars showed up on 3 different
> occasions that I know of and I got to meet 3~4 of my new neighbors out in
> the street at about 3:00 am in the morning. This barking has been an on
> going problem and it came to a head early Sunday morning. Had the police
> not come there probably would have been a lenching. We all damn near
> rioted because the owners of the dogs would not answer the door. One of
> the dogs escaped his back yard 3 times that night so he was able to spread
> his non stop barking through out the immediate neighborhood. The police
> were so pissed that they told us exactly what we needed to fear to legally
> shoot the dogs.

L:

Insomnia works in wonderous ways. Who was that
unsleepyhead who initially got the Incra model he owned wrong
earlier in the thread? Oh, me. It happens with everybody.

Somehow related, here's a story for your neighborhood.

A neighbor's dog is barking ferociously at night.
The couple next door keeps waking up. It gets
to where the blonde wife punches her husband.
But he just rolls over and pulls the pillow around
his head. Finally, she punches him hard, he does
the same thing and she announces "If you're not
going to do anything about it, I am." He rolls over.

She rushes out of the bedroom. She returns
after a few minutes and triumphantly climbs into
bed. The dog starts barking wildly again.

Her husband
raises up, looks at her and says "I thought you fixed that."
She says, " I sure did. I put that damn dog in our yard.
See how they like it now."

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/1/2011 10:47 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>
>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5
>>> degree cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty
>>> I pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree
>>> setting. Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass
>>> indexing pin would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would
>>> not do any thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to
>>> bound the pin out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too
>>> tight to put back down the hole.
>>>
>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>
>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>> so, been there done that.
>>>
>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>
>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>
>>> Sooooooooo
>>
>> L:
>>
>>
>> After some recommendations here on TS accessories, I went
>> a bump up and got the Incra 1000SE. Waiting and looking, it
>> came to me locally for 120 + the government. The HD was
>> a contender. But the superior refinements of degree selection
>> on the SE, confirmed by comparing accounts of experiences,
>> prodded the decision.
>>
>> I like it. My saw is left-tilt and it goes on the left side. No
>> operation has commanded positioning it on the right yet.
>> I'd guess it might take 5 minutes to switch it the first time,
>> and a lot less once you get the motions on autoprogram.
>>
>> The adjustable, expansive Teflon washers to snug up the
>> miter bar in the slot had one out of position and three
>> that did need the indicated tuning. If you expand them
>> so the slot gets into the no-go zone, flip them up
>> and set the slit line back further before adjusting.
>>
>> If you want to cut degrees into tenths, it will. You
>> can use the flip stop as a hold down on your board
>> for operations where you aren't using it
>> as a stop.
>>
>> There was one slip in the directions. You need to loosen
>> the clamp knob before peforming continuous angle
>> adjustments in step 2 of "Changing Angle Settings".
>> Honestly, if you a guy that far and didn't do it, put
>> the traffic cone on the head...but they mentioned it
>> where appropriate elsewhere and should have there.
>>
>> A ball hex key is supplied for various adjustments.
>> Were I to make a lot of them, I'd be replacing some
>> of the frequently involved hex screws with thumbscrews.
>> If the stop rods were graduated, that would have been
>> nice too. The unit works well without those improvements.
>> Will you be able to make finicky cuts measuring better
>> than you can measuring and making a trial cut? No.
>>
>> There's a toothed engagement strip to fix the positioning
>> of the flip stop when it's moved. They give you a
>> lifetime replacment on said strip. But if you honestly
>> loosen the flip stop enough so it clears the strip
>> when you move it, you'll never have to use the
>> guarantee.
>>
>> Would I buy it again? Hear the hearbeat. And I checked
>> a range of reviews with a unanimous report of the
>> same cardiac response.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edward Hennessey
>>
>>
> You mention the HD as a contender, which one is that?
>
> If I need to do accurate miters, I use my Dubby sled, each degree of
> adjustment requires about 1/4" of fence movement, basically it would be
> difficult to miss a setting with that much movement needed to change the
> angle 1 degree. The degree scale is at the opposite end of the fence
> pivot point.
>
> Basically I like the flip stops and am not that concerned about multiple
> angle cuts since 99.9% of my cuts are at 90 degrees. I just want to know
> that if it looks like the gauge is set on 90 it absolutely is. The Kreg
> indexing pin assured me of that.
>
> Thanks again for the review.

Leon:

The clock beat me up at 3 chimes after 12 yesterday,
so that must mean I rose at 15 o'clock???

If you can read my re-fried mind, my friend,
you must be
a cryptanalyst and a real good cook.

My comments were meant to apply to the
HD. In this parallel universe of you waking
people I got the designations mixed in the
no-funhouse mirror. To affirm, my misgiven
intent was to discuss the HD. The SE is the
one on which I passed. As far as I can determine--pulling
my eyelids open to make sure of what I write--the
only difference between the HD (mine) and the
SE (the contender) is the HD has a superior angle
protractor with vernier cursor adjustment. The
SE fits your requirements for less money.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-keywords=incra+1000HD&x=0&y=0

Above is a page that will lead you to both units.
There are 9 reviews for the HD (mine as discussed)
and 74 for the SE. A survey will give you
the drift. They want 160 for the HD and 123
for the SE. As said, I paid 120 and tax for the
HD.

If you can play the waiting game, go to
www.camelcamelcamel.com and you can set a
price tracker for any Amazon item you want.
If the item has been queried in the camelx3 system,
you may get a decent time/price history for it.
Should you care to register there, you can set
price alerts for the stammering camel to let
you know when prices drop.

Right now, I'm going to drop into the
bedbedbed.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 6/1/2011 11:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>
> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>
>

Looks like a less expensive re-branded Osborne to me!
<http://www.osbornemfg.com/>

I personally use an Osborne and really like it for accuracy and
stability but, I also keep a sled handy and use it far more than I ever
thought I would.

--
Digger
Bob O'Dell

On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:09:34 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 6/1/2011 11:40 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> If you can play the waiting game, go to
>> www.camelcamelcamel.com and you can set a
>> price tracker for any Amazon item you want.
>>
>> Right now, I'm going to drop into the
>> bedbedbed.

Hopefully, that wasn't with a camelcamelcamel, Ed.


>Thank you! I get it now, HD as in 1000HD. LOL I'll check the reviews.

Right, not sold at Home Depot. He fooled me at first, too.

--
Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.

On Jun 1, 5:21=A0pm, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
> been berry happy with it. =A0Until now.
>
> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
> cut and replaced the indexing pin. =A0Felt tight. =A0With difficulty I
> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
> would not come out. =A0Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
> thing but twist the pin. =A0I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
> down the hole.
>
> Any recommendations on another brand?
>
> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
> so, been there done that.
>
> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>
> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
> maintain tolerances.
>
> Sooooooooo

If you have been berry happy with the Kreg, are you sure you want to
back away now? Is there a fix?

RonB

On 6/1/2011 11:41 PM, Dan Coby wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 7:18 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/1/2011 8:12 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
>>> @swbelldotnet says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2011 6:20 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
>>>>> @swbelldotnet says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5
>>>>>> degree
>>>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass
>>>>>> indexing pin
>>>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the
>>>>>> pin
>>>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> down the hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing I'd do is call Kreg and see if they have any sage advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need
>>>>>> not do
>>>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand what you mean by "hanging off the table". If you
>>>>> mean you want a gage without an attached fence, Incra has several of
>>>>> them, and the fence can be removed from any of them without any
>>>>> difficulty.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Say your board is 12" wide, most all but the smallest of gauges have to
>>>> hang off the front side of the fence to allow room for the board to
>>>> sit. The higher end Incras typically stick out way back behind the
>>>> fence. Basically I am not too sure how much of the guide bar ends up
>>>> being out of the slot.
>>>
>>> About as much as on the miter gage that typically comes with the saw.
>>>
>>> You're not obligated to use the Incra fence with the Incra miter gage.
>>> If it's too thick you can bolt on a piece of blind stop molding or
>>> whatever else you find to be of appropriate thickness.
>>>
>>>
>> So far you would have to be a mind reader to have a clue what I am
>> talking about, that is not your fault. ;~)
>>
>> What I am really trying to say is I am more concerned with what is
>> actually behind the miter gauge fence. The fence is not the problem as
>> much as the miter gauge it self, behind
>> the fence.
>>
>> My Kreg jig guide bar is 24" long, 16" is in front of the fence and
>> the gauge itself is only 6" deep. The incra jigs tend to use up a lot
>> of the bar behind the fence. It appears in
>> the pictures that perhaps a much greater portion of some Incra guide
>> bars may be hanging off the front edge of the TS when cutting wide
>> boards or panels. I see that a possible
>> problem if only 10~12 inches of the bar is in front of the fence. Ill
>> have to take a hands on look.
>
> I have the Incra 1000HD. The miter bar is 17.75 inches. There is only
> 8.5 inches in
> front of the fence. The fence is 1.5 inches thick so you could gain some
> by using
> a thinner fence.
>
]
Hummmmm, half the length that mine is. thanks

"Larry Blanchard" wrote
>
> I have wondered about the availability of a diesel locomotive horn for
> the bike :-).
>
I had a friend who put a Big Mack air horn in a little VW bug beater. He
got it from the junk yard. It was big, ugly and LOUD!! He put in an air
tank to run it. It took up much of the little trunk in the front of the
car. When he blasted that thing off, it got people's attention.

There has been a lot of discussion lately about how electric cars are too
quiet and people don't know they are there. So they want to make them put
some kind of noise maker on them so they can be heard. I though being quiet
was a good thing! I find it interesting because I have always had a hearing
problem and have never heard cars very well anyway.

On 6/6/2011 10:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/6/11 9:59 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/6/2011 8:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 6/6/11 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you EDWARD
>>>
>>> HAHA!! Leon, it appears you have what my mom calls Halfheimer's. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> I am also claiming lack of sleep. Saturday night a neighbor's 2 Pit
>> Bulls went after it barking non stop from 1:00 am Sunday morning until
>> about 5:00 am Sunday morning until animal control picked one up.
>> Three times neighbors called police, 5 squad cars showed up on 3
>> different occasions that I know of and I got to meet 3~4 of my new
>> neighbors out in the street at about 3:00 am in the morning. This
>> barking has been an on going problem and it came to a head early Sunday
>> morning. Had the police not come there probably would have been a
>> lenching. We all damn near rioted because the owners of the dogs would
>> not answer the door. One of the dogs escaped his back yard 3 times that
>> night so he was able to spread his non stop barking through out the
>> immediate neighborhood. The police were so pissed that they told us
>> exactly what we needed to fear to legally shoot the dogs.
>
> Sounds like some of the people in my neighborhood.
> I don't know how people have to be raised in order to have complete
> disregard for their neighbors. With most people (I optimistically still
> believe) if they were woken up by their own dog's barking, would
> immediately be in a cold sweat, thinking, "OMG, what will my neighbors
> think?" and they'd go out and shut the dogs up.
>
> Back in Ohio, I had two neighbors. One would bend over backwards to help
> you.... salt of the earth types.
> The other had a dog that barked all night. One day, I couldn't take it
> anymore and went over to talk to them about it. They said, "Well, a dog
> is gonna bark at deer and another animals. They're just being dogs." I
> said, "That's true, but how about if you take him in for the night."
> Their reply (not making this up), "If we take him in, he'll keep us up
> all night, barking to be let out."
>
>
The dogs owner, the wife, told me yesterday that the problem dog was
gone. I told her that if the other dog keeps me from going to sleep
that I would see to it that they would not get any sleep either.

I am not trying to be an ass but as you said some people are stupid.

Oddly they try to explain the whys. I explained the results.

On 6/2/2011 6:44 AM, Han wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Thanks for the review. At the moment my biggest problem with the Incras
>> equiped with the flip stop and expandable fence is the hassle of
>> switching sides.
>>
>> The Kreg takes a couple of seconds with no tools, but it is not
>> expandable. The Incra appears to take perhaps 5 minutes to switch from
>> the left to the right side of the blade. And yes I use both sides about
>> evenly.
>
> What I have is the same or similar. Switching between left and right of
> sawblade isn't much of a problem. A bigger one might be that it really
> needs to have the full width(depth) of the fence on the saw table.
> And, for smaller things I'd like some better holddown method ...

Do you not find switching the fence extension to the other side a
problem/PIA? In my case I might do this 3`4 times a day. With the Kreg
you loosen 2 wing nuts, slide the fence and tighten the wing nuts. But
then again I have no fence extension.I guess I could leave the fence
extension off un less I needed to use it....There is a thought.

For small pieces I use the eraser on the end of a new pencil as a hold
down.


>
> Opinion of a newbie at the craft, but I have had this miterfence for quite
> a while ...
>

-MIKE- wrote:

>
> Yeah, I've seen those guys "maneuver" there way into a fishtail, lose
> it, and end up with road rash for the next 3 months.
>
> The driver who cut them off, meanwhile, just drives on, totally
> clueless as to what they just did.

Yeahbut - how many times - or better asked, what percentage of motorcyclists
do your observations represent?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 6/1/2011 6:20 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
> @swbelldotnet says...
>>
>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>
>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>> down the hole.
>
> First thing I'd do is call Kreg and see if they have any sage advice.
>
>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>
>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>> so, been there done that.
>>
>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>
> I don't understand what you mean by "hanging off the table". If you
> mean you want a gage without an attached fence, Incra has several of
> them, and the fence can be removed from any of them without any
> difficulty.
>

Say your board is 12" wide, most all but the smallest of gauges have to
hang off the front side of the fence to allow room for the board to
sit. The higher end Incras typically stick out way back behind the
fence. Basically I am not too sure how much of the guide bar ends up
being out of the slot.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:09:34 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>>On 6/1/2011 11:40 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>> If you can play the waiting game, go to
>>> www.camelcamelcamel.com and you can set a
>>> price tracker for any Amazon item you want.
>>>
>>> Right now, I'm going to drop into the
>>> bedbedbed.
>
> Hopefully, that wasn't with a camelcamelcamel, Ed.

LJ:

They spit from the front and kick from the rear.
I'll stick to counting sheep.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey
>
>
>>Thank you! I get it now, HD as in 1000HD. LOL I'll check the reviews.
>
> Right, not sold at Home Depot. He fooled me at first, too.
>
> --
> Remember, in an emergency, dial 1911.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>been berry happy with it. Until now.
>
>Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>down the hole.
>
>Any recommendations on another brand?
>
>Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>so, been there done that.
>
>Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>
>JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>maintain tolerances.

JessEm is nice, but so is the Incra 1000HD.

>Sooooooooo

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/8/11 2:39 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, I've seen those guys "maneuver" there way into a fishtail,
>>> lose it, and end up with road rash for the next 3 months.
>>>
>>> The driver who cut them off, meanwhile, just drives on, totally
>>> clueless as to what they just did.
>>
>> Yeahbut - how many times - or better asked, what percentage of
>> motorcyclists do your observations represent?
>>
>
> None of that matters and is completely moot concerning my original
> point. It's an irrelevant tangent.

Sorry - I didn't intend to throw an obtuse point out there. I was
responding to exactly what I included in my reply to you. So - it wasn't a
set up sort of question. If I recall - your position is essentially
anti-motorcycle, correct?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/4/2011 2:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:04:20 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>> wrote:
> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is behind
> a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra miter
> gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter than some
> of the competition.

Leonidas:

Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
give you feedback.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 6/6/2011 4:11 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/5/2011 11:07 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>> Snip
>>
>>
>>>>>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>>>>>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>>>>>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
>>>>>> than some of the competition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leonidas:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
>>>>> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
>>>>> give you feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>>
>>>> That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
>>>> gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge
>>>> of the TS.
>>>>
>>>> The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
>>>> guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the
>>>> track feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled
>>>> back and forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the
>>>> miter slot?
>
> L:
>
> Approximately measured tests were conducted a little after
> the sun awoke.
>
> Observations.
>
> *The horizontal terminal T on the end of the guide bar is
> not adjustable for expansion. It has visible side-to-side and
> vertical clearances.
>
> *The 5 Teflon expansion washers are located on alternate
> bar sides with two paired towards the bar front,
> two paired near the front of the
> of the fence (the forward fence face splits one
> of the washers) and one rear of the fence.
>
> *With the fence/protractor off the table, twisting and purely
> horizontal play were evident. The weight of the unsupported
> components are a prime factor in accentuating the twist.
>
> *The table space in front of the 10" blade cut is about
> 9.75". The miter assembly gains adequate purchase on
> the table to cut a board about 9.5" in width with a 10"
> blade.
>
> *Pushing a wide board off the table front, stability of
> the Incra unit appears best maintained by slightly tilting
> the forward bar upward to give the nose T contact
> with the miter slot while applying a more noticeable
> rightward twist to counter the leftward fence/protractor mass.
>
> As the Incra moves forward to table contact
> (even with a forward table bevel), the necessity for the
> rightward twist affirms itself to avoid fence collision
> with the table.
>
> *With all that weight back of the table and shifted to one
> side, I'm honestly unsure whether a longer bar would
> be corrective.
>
> The OEM fence guide on the front of the trial table saw would
> be an obstruction to contriving any support for the Incra
> off the table. Instead of reinventing the wheel, if your
> interest persists, the Incra people should have good input
> on this and the whole issue.
>
> Also, I tried the OEM miter guage. It suffered from more
> horizontal slop off and on the table. Without the big fence,
> the twist was less. After I fooled with it to refine function
> a long time ago, it cut close enough to dead on that I didn't
> need a micrometer in the argument.
>
> The Incra is better, the fence
> is super once on the table and I haven't cut at enough fat
> boards to give a firm opinion on what can be attained.
>
> That's the qualified skinny.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey


Thank you very much Henry. I really do appreciate all the effort you
went to and the information.

Thanks again.

On 6/6/2011 8:10 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/6/2011 4:11 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 6/5/2011 11:07 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>> Snip
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>>>>>>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>>>>>>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8"
>>>>>>> shorter
>>>>>>> than some of the competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonidas:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
>>>>>> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
>>>>>> give you feedback.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>>>
>>>>> That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
>>>>> gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge
>>>>> of the TS.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
>>>>> guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the
>>>>> track feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled
>>>>> back and forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the
>>>>> miter slot?
>>
>> L:
>>
>> Approximately measured tests were conducted a little after
>> the sun awoke.
>>
>> Observations.
>>
>> *The horizontal terminal T on the end of the guide bar is
>> not adjustable for expansion. It has visible side-to-side and
>> vertical clearances.
>>
>> *The 5 Teflon expansion washers are located on alternate
>> bar sides with two paired towards the bar front,
>> two paired near the front of the
>> of the fence (the forward fence face splits one
>> of the washers) and one rear of the fence.
>>
>> *With the fence/protractor off the table, twisting and purely
>> horizontal play were evident. The weight of the unsupported
>> components are a prime factor in accentuating the twist.
>>
>> *The table space in front of the 10" blade cut is about
>> 9.75". The miter assembly gains adequate purchase on
>> the table to cut a board about 9.5" in width with a 10"
>> blade.
>>
>> *Pushing a wide board off the table front, stability of
>> the Incra unit appears best maintained by slightly tilting
>> the forward bar upward to give the nose T contact
>> with the miter slot while applying a more noticeable
>> rightward twist to counter the leftward fence/protractor mass.
>>
>> As the Incra moves forward to table contact
>> (even with a forward table bevel), the necessity for the
>> rightward twist affirms itself to avoid fence collision
>> with the table.
>>
>> *With all that weight back of the table and shifted to one
>> side, I'm honestly unsure whether a longer bar would
>> be corrective.
>>
>> The OEM fence guide on the front of the trial table saw would
>> be an obstruction to contriving any support for the Incra
>> off the table. Instead of reinventing the wheel, if your
>> interest persists, the Incra people should have good input
>> on this and the whole issue.
>>
>> Also, I tried the OEM miter guage. It suffered from more
>> horizontal slop off and on the table. Without the big fence,
>> the twist was less. After I fooled with it to refine function
>> a long time ago, it cut close enough to dead on that I didn't
>> need a micrometer in the argument.
>>
>> The Incra is better, the fence
>> is super once on the table and I haven't cut at enough fat
>> boards to give a firm opinion on what can be attained.
>>
>> That's the qualified skinny.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edward Hennessey
>
>
> Thank you very much Henry. I really do appreciate all the effort you
> went to and the information.
>
> Thanks again.
>


AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!


sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.

Thank you EDWARD

On 6/1/2011 6:05 PM, RonB wrote:
> On Jun 1, 5:21 pm, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>
>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>> down the hole.
>>
>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>
>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>> so, been there done that.
>>
>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>
>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>> maintain tolerances.
>>
>> Sooooooooo
>
> If you have been berry happy with the Kreg, are you sure you want to
> back away now? Is there a fix?
>
> RonB


Pounding the brass pin out flared the tapered end and distorted the pin
and the hole it went into. I have a letter in to Kreg.

Leon wrote:
>
> Say your board is 12" wide, most all but the smallest of gauges have
> to hang off the front side of the fence to allow room for the board
> to sit. The higher end Incras typically stick out way back behind the
> fence. Basically I am not too sure how much of the guide bar ends up
> being out of the slot.

You might try a table saw sled.

Here's one:
http://www.mywoodprojects.com/plans/crosscutsled.aspx

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have been
>berry happy with it. Until now.
>
> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I pulled
> it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting. Then I had
> to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin would not
> come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any thing but twist
> the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin out from the
> bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back down the hole.
>
> Any recommendations on another brand?
>
> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do so,
> been there done that.
>
> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I don't
> want the gauge hanging off the table.
>
> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
> maintain tolerances.
>
> Sooooooooo

L:


After some recommendations here on TS accessories, I went
a bump up and got the Incra 1000SE. Waiting and looking, it
came to me locally for 120 + the government. The HD was
a contender. But the superior refinements of degree selection
on the SE, confirmed by comparing accounts of experiences,
prodded the decision.

I like it. My saw is left-tilt and it goes on the left side. No
operation has commanded positioning it on the right yet.
I'd guess it might take 5 minutes to switch it the first time,
and a lot less once you get the motions on autoprogram.

The adjustable, expansive Teflon washers to snug up the
miter bar in the slot had one out of position and three
that did need the indicated tuning. If you expand them
so the slot gets into the no-go zone, flip them up
and set the slit line back further before adjusting.

If you want to cut degrees into tenths, it will. You
can use the flip stop as a hold down on your board
for operations where you aren't using it
as a stop.

There was one slip in the directions. You need to loosen
the clamp knob before peforming continuous angle
adjustments in step 2 of "Changing Angle Settings".
Honestly, if you a guy that far and didn't do it, put
the traffic cone on the head...but they mentioned it
where appropriate elsewhere and should have there.

A ball hex key is supplied for various adjustments.
Were I to make a lot of them, I'd be replacing some
of the frequently involved hex screws with thumbscrews.
If the stop rods were graduated, that would have been
nice too. The unit works well without those improvements.
Will you be able to make finicky cuts measuring better
than you can measuring and making a trial cut? No.

There's a toothed engagement strip to fix the positioning
of the flip stop when it's moved. They give you a
lifetime replacment on said strip. But if you honestly
loosen the flip stop enough so it clears the strip
when you move it, you'll never have to use the
guarantee.

Would I buy it again? Hear the hearbeat. And I checked
a range of reviews with a unanimous report of the
same cardiac response.

Good luck.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>
> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>
>


Basicaly an Osbourn. I had an EB-2 Osbourne several years ago for a
couple of days. The concept is good but the execution has an inherant
flaw. The fence will swing to 45 degrees both ways. The telescoping
arm in its closed position, 45 degree setting is plenty sturdy. That
all goes out the window then going to the other 45 degree setting with
the telescoping arm extended to its extreme. The one I had and the
others in the store were very wobbly with the arm telescoped out. You
could easily grab the fence and move it back and forth.

Might explain why you can get the real MaCoy these days for under $100.
IIRC I paid about $180.

On 6/5/2011 11:07 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
Snip


>>>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>>>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>>>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
>>>> than some of the competition.
>>>
>>> Leonidas:
>>>
>>> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
>>> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
>>> give you feedback.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Edward Hennessey
>>
>> That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.
>>
>> Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
>> gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge
>> of the TS.
>>
>> The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
>> guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the
>> track feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled
>> back and forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the
>> miter slot?
>
> L:
>
> My pleasure.
>
> I'll check tomorrow and report.
>
> To review, aside from the terminal metal T on the guide
> bar there are split Teflon washers adjustable by machine
> screws. Mine are expanded for a snug fit that does not
> impede bar movement and, hopefully, won't invite
> their rapid wear.

Now I realize that the Incra probably has a guide bar slot adjustment
just ahead of the fence position and farther forward towards the end of
the bar. How many in the span I do not know, and I am not going to
argue with your results as you have the proof and I only have
speculation to the possible results. Generally speaking the more guide
bar adjustments the less likely that there will be any left/right
pivoting. The 1000 series has 6 adjustments which seems adequate if
they are all on one side of the bar. If there are three on one side and
three on the other maybe not as good. Anyway with approximately half
of the adjustments behind the fence you potentially loose half the slop
adjustments.

Now having said that Incra had been making these things for a long time
and one would think that my concerns are a non issue. But then again
the Osbourne miter gauge had been around a while but still as observed
on Friday the latest version continues to have lots of slop when the
gauge is set on the left side miter slot, the gauge is set to 45 degrees
with the telescoping adjustment mechanism extend to its farthest point.
The opposite 45 degree setting is nice and tight but that telescoping
bar is not fully extended for that particular 45 degree setting. A
sales guy at Woodcraft was showing mt the Osbourn and I told him that I
thought the Osbourn was a pretty good gauge except for that one deal
killer inherent flaw. He said that he uses and owns the Osbourn miter
gauge and then I told him about the problem and "showed" him how the
gauge has that slop problem. The look on his face went from proud to
shocked as he grabbed the miter gauge and double checked what I showed
him. Unfortunately what makes the Osbourn gauge strong also makes it
weak at certain miter settings. BUT ANYWAY....

On 6/1/2011 6:21 PM, Leon wrote:
> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>
> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I pulled
> it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting. Then I
> had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin would
> not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any thing but
> twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin out from
> the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back down the
> hole.
>
> Any recommendations on another brand?
>
> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
> so, been there done that.
>
> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>
> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
> maintain tolerances.
>
> Sooooooooo
Hard to beat an INCRA 1000SE

On 6/7/2011 11:53 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 07:09:45 -0500, Leon wrote:
>
>> Until you have ridden both bikes in heavy traffic you may not understand
>> the advantage the rider has riding a louder bike.
>
> That may (or may not) have been true in the past, but with the plethora
> of drivers entombed in their autos with the stereo blasting and/or a cell
> phone conversation going, your point is certainly not true today.
>
> Fire and police departments around the country have complained about
> drivers either not hearing or ignoring their sirens. If they won't get
> out of the way of a fire truck do you really think they'll pay attention
> to a motorcycle.
>
> BTW, I am a rider and have been for 60 years. My current bike has a
> fairly loud muffler on it although certainly not a straight pipe. I had
> another bike that was much quieter. I could tell no difference in driver
> response.

Getting an uneasy feeling about that state of affairs, and after some
heart stopping near misses, I was strangely relieved when my Sportster
was stolen in 82 and decided not to replace it. Haven't ridden since.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 6/4/2011 2:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:04:20 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>>>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>>>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>>>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>>>>>> down the hole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>>>>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>>>
>>>>> JessEm is nice, but so is the Incra 1000HD.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooooooooo
>>>> .
>>>> JessEm was my first thought, unfortunately their miter gauge is no
>>>> longer in production.
>>>
>>> But you want it to be, um, bisexual (go either way). If that's a requirement,
>>> you wouldn't like the JessEm anyway. I almost always work to the right of my
>>> left-tilt, so that hasn't been a problem.
>>
>> Yup, almost equally use on both sides several times a day. I have not
>> seen the Jeesem in detail lately as far as the fence is concerned.
>> Thanks for pointing that out.
>
> The issue is the extension fence, but I think that'll be a problem with any of
> them. Take that out (and ignore the tape) and it should work.

Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
than some of the competition.

On 6/3/2011 12:35 AM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/2/2011 3:45 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 6/1/2011 11:40 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> On 6/1/2011 10:47 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5
>>>>>>>> degree cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With
>>>>>>>> difficulty
>>>>>>>> I pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree
>>>>>>>> setting. Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the
>>>>>>>> brass
>>>>>>>> indexing pin would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> not do any thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to
>>>>>>>> bound the pin out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too
>>>>>>>> tight to put back down the hole.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need
>>>>>>>> not do
>>>>>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>>>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sooooooooo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> L:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After some recommendations here on TS accessories, I went
>>>>>>> a bump up and got the Incra 1000SE. Waiting and looking, it
>>>>>>> came to me locally for 120 + the government. The HD was
>>>>>>> a contender. But the superior refinements of degree selection
>>>>>>> on the SE, confirmed by comparing accounts of experiences,
>>>>>>> prodded the decision.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like it. My saw is left-tilt and it goes on the left side. No
>>>>>>> operation has commanded positioning it on the right yet.
>>>>>>> I'd guess it might take 5 minutes to switch it the first time,
>>>>>>> and a lot less once you get the motions on autoprogram.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The adjustable, expansive Teflon washers to snug up the
>>>>>>> miter bar in the slot had one out of position and three
>>>>>>> that did need the indicated tuning. If you expand them
>>>>>>> so the slot gets into the no-go zone, flip them up
>>>>>>> and set the slit line back further before adjusting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to cut degrees into tenths, it will. You
>>>>>>> can use the flip stop as a hold down on your board
>>>>>>> for operations where you aren't using it
>>>>>>> as a stop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was one slip in the directions. You need to loosen
>>>>>>> the clamp knob before peforming continuous angle
>>>>>>> adjustments in step 2 of "Changing Angle Settings".
>>>>>>> Honestly, if you a guy that far and didn't do it, put
>>>>>>> the traffic cone on the head...but they mentioned it
>>>>>>> where appropriate elsewhere and should have there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A ball hex key is supplied for various adjustments.
>>>>>>> Were I to make a lot of them, I'd be replacing some
>>>>>>> of the frequently involved hex screws with thumbscrews.
>>>>>>> If the stop rods were graduated, that would have been
>>>>>>> nice too. The unit works well without those improvements.
>>>>>>> Will you be able to make finicky cuts measuring better
>>>>>>> than you can measuring and making a trial cut? No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a toothed engagement strip to fix the positioning
>>>>>>> of the flip stop when it's moved. They give you a
>>>>>>> lifetime replacment on said strip. But if you honestly
>>>>>>> loosen the flip stop enough so it clears the strip
>>>>>>> when you move it, you'll never have to use the
>>>>>>> guarantee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would I buy it again? Hear the hearbeat. And I checked
>>>>>>> a range of reviews with a unanimous report of the
>>>>>>> same cardiac response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mention the HD as a contender, which one is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I need to do accurate miters, I use my Dubby sled, each degree of
>>>>>> adjustment requires about 1/4" of fence movement, basically it would
>>>>>> be difficult to miss a setting with that much movement needed to
>>>>>> change the angle 1 degree. The degree scale is at the opposite end of
>>>>>> the fence pivot point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Basically I like the flip stops and am not that concerned about
>>>>>> multiple angle cuts since 99.9% of my cuts are at 90 degrees. I just
>>>>>> want to know that if it looks like the gauge is set on 90 it
>>>>>> absolutely is. The Kreg indexing pin assured me of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for the review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Leon:
>>>>>
>>>>> The clock beat me up at 3 chimes after 12 yesterday,
>>>>> so that must mean I rose at 15 o'clock???
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can read my re-fried mind, my friend,
>>>>> you must be
>>>>> a cryptanalyst and a real good cook.
>>>>>
>>>>> My comments were meant to apply to the
>>>>> HD. In this parallel universe of you waking
>>>>> people I got the designations mixed in the
>>>>> no-funhouse mirror. To affirm, my misgiven
>>>>> intent was to discuss the HD. The SE is the
>>>>> one on which I passed. As far as I can determine--pulling
>>>>> my eyelids open to make sure of what I write--the
>>>>> only difference between the HD (mine) and the
>>>>> SE (the contender) is the HD has a superior angle
>>>>> protractor with vernier cursor adjustment. The
>>>>> SE fits your requirements for less money.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-keywords=incra+1000HD&x=0&y=0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Above is a page that will lead you to both units.
>>>>> There are 9 reviews for the HD (mine as discussed)
>>>>> and 74 for the SE. A survey will give you
>>>>> the drift. They want 160 for the HD and 123
>>>>> for the SE. As said, I paid 120 and tax for the
>>>>> HD.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can play the waiting game, go to
>>>>> www.camelcamelcamel.com and you can set a
>>>>> price tracker for any Amazon item you want.
>>>>> If the item has been queried in the camelx3 system,
>>>>> you may get a decent time/price history for it.
>>>>> Should you care to register there, you can set
>>>>> price alerts for the stammering camel to let
>>>>> you know when prices drop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now, I'm going to drop into the
>>>>> bedbedbed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thank you! I get it now, HD as in 1000HD. LOL I'll check the reviews.
>>>
>>> L:
>>>
>>> I wouldn't worry about the Incra mitres flopping off
>>> the side of your table unless you extend the fence
>>> way out. With fence compacted, there won't be
>>> a problem except on midget platforms.
>>>
>>> The locking mechanism for degree settings consists
>>> of a 2.5mm thick tooth swung into the protractor
>>> plate and double locked by a thumbscrew on the toothed
>>> plate and a handle/knob on the protractor. With
>>> care in setting the tooth fully into the protractor
>>> detent, I haven't had a problem.
>>>
>>> Because of the weight of the mitre/fence assembly
>>> compared to the stripped-down standard mitre,
>>> the unit will want to nose dive if the center of mass
>>> nears the far ledge of the table while crosscutting
>>> a large board. Inexperienced users would want a
>>> premonition of that.
>>
>>
>> That is my concern with all that real estate behind the fence.
>
> L:
>
> It isn't really a concern on the inboard table because
> the terminal T bar and the expansive Teflon washers on the
> slider bar keep the miter assembly from keeling
> backward. As long as you are watching for imbalance
> when the T bar on the slider clears the miter
> slot on the outgoing end of the table, you'll be fine.
>
> Measuring my saw table today, extending the
> fence can outrig it off the table...but if you have a
> long, broad piece of wood to cut, the complications
> from it are kindred.
>
> Bottom line, there's not much to fuss about that a
> little advance notice and experience won't handle.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>

Ok, thanks! I am still waiting to hear from Kreg after sending them the
requested pictures. I think if I end up buying new it will most likely
be a Woodhaven or the Incra 1000SE.

Thanks again for the input.

On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>
>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>>>> down the hole.
>>>>
>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>
>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>
>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>
>>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>
>>> JessEm is nice, but so is the Incra 1000HD.
>>>
>>>> Sooooooooo
>> .
>> JessEm was my first thought, unfortunately their miter gauge is no
>> longer in production.
>
> But you want it to be, um, bisexual (go either way). If that's a requirement,
> you wouldn't like the JessEm anyway. I almost always work to the right of my
> left-tilt, so that hasn't been a problem.

Yup, almost equally use on both sides several times a day. I have not
seen the Jeesem in detail lately as far as the fence is concerned.
Thanks for pointing that out.

In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...
>
> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>
> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
> down the hole.

First thing I'd do is call Kreg and see if they have any sage advice.

> Any recommendations on another brand?
>
> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
> so, been there done that.
>
> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.

I don't understand what you mean by "hanging off the table". If you
mean you want a gage without an attached fence, Incra has several of
them, and the fence can be removed from any of them without any
difficulty.

In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...
>
> On 6/1/2011 6:20 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
> > @swbelldotnet says...
> >>
> >> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
> >> been berry happy with it. Until now.
> >>
> >> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
> >> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
> >> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
> >> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
> >> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
> >> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
> >> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
> >> down the hole.
> >
> > First thing I'd do is call Kreg and see if they have any sage advice.
> >
> >> Any recommendations on another brand?
> >>
> >> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
> >> so, been there done that.
> >>
> >> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
> >> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
> >
> > I don't understand what you mean by "hanging off the table". If you
> > mean you want a gage without an attached fence, Incra has several of
> > them, and the fence can be removed from any of them without any
> > difficulty.
> >
>
> Say your board is 12" wide, most all but the smallest of gauges have to
> hang off the front side of the fence to allow room for the board to
> sit. The higher end Incras typically stick out way back behind the
> fence. Basically I am not too sure how much of the guide bar ends up
> being out of the slot.

About as much as on the miter gage that typically comes with the saw.

You're not obligated to use the Incra fence with the Incra miter gage.
If it's too thick you can bolt on a piece of blind stop molding or
whatever else you find to be of appropriate thickness.

In article <[email protected]>, lcb11211
@swbelldotnet says...
>
> On 6/1/2011 8:12 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> > Leon wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Pounding the brass pin out flared the tapered end and distorted the
> >> pin and the hole it went into. I have a letter in to Kreg.
> >
> > A letter? Aren't those museum items these days?
> >
>
> Umm er uh....e-Letter. ;~)

Actually paper letters are more likely to get results than email.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 6/7/11 6:19 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:13:58 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> >
> >> There's a reason emergency room personnel refer to motorcycle riders as,
> >> "organ donors."
> >
> > Well, I've still got all of mine after 60 years of riding :-).
> >
> > There was a study quite a while back that had some interesting
> > conclusions on motorcycle accidents. See:
> >
> > http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
> >
> > For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here's an interesting
> > excerpt:
> >
> > "19. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly
> > overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30
> > and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the
> > accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female
> > motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident
> > data."
> >
> > No data on 74 year old motorcyclists like me :-).
> >
>
> I have a saying. "There are no fender benders with motorcycles."
> Doesn't really matter if every motorcyclist is the safest driver in the
> world. If you're driving a car and someone cuts you off, you pull over
> and call your insurance agent. If you're driving a motorcycle and
> someone cuts you off, you call life flight.

Harder to "cut off" a bike though. Fit through much smaller spaces, and
are more maneuverable.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 6/8/11 12:35 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On 6/7/11 6:19 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:13:58 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> There's a reason emergency room personnel refer to motorcycle riders as,
> >>>> "organ donors."
> >>>
> >>> Well, I've still got all of mine after 60 years of riding :-).
> >>>
> >>> There was a study quite a while back that had some interesting
> >>> conclusions on motorcycle accidents. See:
> >>>
> >>> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
> >>>
> >>> For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here's an interesting
> >>> excerpt:
> >>>
> >>> "19. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly
> >>> overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30
> >>> and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the
> >>> accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female
> >>> motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident
> >>> data."
> >>>
> >>> No data on 74 year old motorcyclists like me :-).
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have a saying. "There are no fender benders with motorcycles."
> >> Doesn't really matter if every motorcyclist is the safest driver in the
> >> world. If you're driving a car and someone cuts you off, you pull over
> >> and call your insurance agent. If you're driving a motorcycle and
> >> someone cuts you off, you call life flight.
> >
> > Harder to "cut off" a bike though. Fit through much smaller spaces, and
> > are more maneuverable.
> >
>
> Yeah, I've seen those guys "maneuver" there way into a fishtail, lose
> it, and end up with road rash for the next 3 months.

ATGATT.

> The driver who cut them off, meanwhile, just drives on, totally clueless
> as to what they just did.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 6/8/11 2:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On 6/8/11 12:35 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/7/11 6:19 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:13:58 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> There's a reason emergency room personnel refer to motorcycle riders as,
> >>>>>> "organ donors."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, I've still got all of mine after 60 years of riding :-).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There was a study quite a while back that had some interesting
> >>>>> conclusions on motorcycle accidents. See:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here's an interesting
> >>>>> excerpt:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "19. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly
> >>>>> overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30
> >>>>> and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the
> >>>>> accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female
> >>>>> motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident
> >>>>> data."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No data on 74 year old motorcyclists like me :-).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a saying. "There are no fender benders with motorcycles."
> >>>> Doesn't really matter if every motorcyclist is the safest driver in the
> >>>> world. If you're driving a car and someone cuts you off, you pull over
> >>>> and call your insurance agent. If you're driving a motorcycle and
> >>>> someone cuts you off, you call life flight.
> >>>
> >>> Harder to "cut off" a bike though. Fit through much smaller spaces, and
> >>> are more maneuverable.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah, I've seen those guys "maneuver" there way into a fishtail, lose
> >> it, and end up with road rash for the next 3 months.
> >
> > ATGATT.
> >
>
> Sorry, I'm not privy to these abbreviations you youngsters are using
> these days.

All The Gear All The Time.

Brittany Morrow, who knows a bit about road rash, is the poster girl
<http://vimeo.com/22897515>.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 6/8/11 5:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> > In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>
> >> On 6/8/11 2:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6/8/11 12:35 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >>>>> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/7/11 6:19 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:13:58 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There's a reason emergency room personnel refer to motorcycle riders as,
> >>>>>>>> "organ donors."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, I've still got all of mine after 60 years of riding :-).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There was a study quite a while back that had some interesting
> >>>>>>> conclusions on motorcycle accidents. See:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here's an interesting
> >>>>>>> excerpt:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "19. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly
> >>>>>>> overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30
> >>>>>>> and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the
> >>>>>>> accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female
> >>>>>>> motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident
> >>>>>>> data."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No data on 74 year old motorcyclists like me :-).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have a saying. "There are no fender benders with motorcycles."
> >>>>>> Doesn't really matter if every motorcyclist is the safest driver in the
> >>>>>> world. If you're driving a car and someone cuts you off, you pull over
> >>>>>> and call your insurance agent. If you're driving a motorcycle and
> >>>>>> someone cuts you off, you call life flight.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Harder to "cut off" a bike though. Fit through much smaller spaces, and
> >>>>> are more maneuverable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, I've seen those guys "maneuver" there way into a fishtail, lose
> >>>> it, and end up with road rash for the next 3 months.
> >>>
> >>> ATGATT.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Sorry, I'm not privy to these abbreviations you youngsters are using
> >> these days.
> >
> > All The Gear All The Time.
> >
> > Brittany Morrow, who knows a bit about road rash, is the poster girl
> > <http://vimeo.com/22897515>.
> >
>
> Gotcha. Rarely do I see any of the dentists and lawyers on Harleys
> around here wearing that stuff. I do a lot a young punks on crotch
> rockets wearing that stuff, but they are usually the ones causing
> accidents by weaving in, out, and around cars at twice speed limit.
> When they fly by me, I just wave and say, "See ya at your funeral."

Lot of Harley people are about image. I generally see the ones weaving
in and out wearing t-shirts, shorts, and flip-flops.

> Oh yeah, while we're on the topic, if you're going to ride a motorcycle
> with that tiny little brake might on the back and cut in front of me,
> have the brains of a gnat to at least apply a little bit of brake when
> you're downshifting so I freakin know when you decide to go from 50 to
> 30 in 1.5 seconds.

My "tiny little brake light" is brighter than the ones on my SUV.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On 6/9/11 12:10 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 22:23:31 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
> >
> >> If you're driving a motorcycle and someone cuts you off, you call life
> >> flight."
> >>
> >> You can call that anti-motorcycle or you can call it sage advice. :-)
> >
> > I call it an over-reaction. I've been in 4 of what most would consider
> > relatively serious motorcycle accidents. No ambulance.
> >
> > 1. A drunk ran into the back end of my lightweight bike and sent me over
> > the handlebars into the street. Aside from some road rash and some very
> > sore testicles from contacting the steering damper, I was fine.
> >
> > 2. A driver ran a stop sign directly into my path. I, and my passenger,
> > went airborne over the hood of the car. We both walked away.
> >
> > 3. I lost the bike on a section of dirt road that had just been oiled.
> > The bike and I went sliding down the road. At one point the bike was
> > behind me. When we stopped it was ahead of me. Must have hopped right
> > over me. I had a sore and raw elbow from propping myself up on it while
> > sliding so I could see where the bike was. Got back on the bike and rode
> > it 100 miles home.
> >
> > 4. I borrowed some kids motorscooter when I ran out of gas. The front
> > wheel went into a high speed wobble (at about 30mph!) and I went
> > airborne. Hit the curb and was stunned for a minute.
> >
> > I will admit I was considerably younger then. I'm a bit more brittle now.
> >
> > BTW, I once came around a curve on a mountain road to see two semis, side
> > by side, coming straight at me. With no place else to go, I went between
> > them. Bent the handlebars! If I'd been in a car I wouldn't be here
> > today. But to be fair, I've been in a couple of situations in a car that
> > might well have killed me if I'd been on a bike.
> >
> > Motorcycles are as dangerous as the rider wants them to be. As far as
> > the cars on the road, I was taught to "ride paranoid". Assume that if a
> > car can try to screw you up, assume it will. That advice has served me
> > well.
> >
> > P.S. All the incidents described above happened in the days before
> > riders wore helmets. I usually wore an old greasy HD cap :-).
> >
>
> I'm reading this post and wondering if you're arguing with me or
> agreeing. :-)

He's pointing out that a bike crash does not automatically require "life
flight".

On 6/1/2011 8:12 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> Pounding the brass pin out flared the tapered end and distorted the
>> pin and the hole it went into. I have a letter in to Kreg.
>
> A letter? Aren't those museum items these days?
>

Umm er uh....e-Letter. ;~)

On 6/2/2011 7:20 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/2/2011 7:09 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>>>
>>> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>>
>> IMO they all have some undesirable traits but, for sheer repeatable
>> accuracy I've never been able to beat my Woodhaven ...
>>
>> I know you don't like it, but mine works and yours doesn't! <g, d & r>
>>
>
> I have a Domino.,... ;~)

I have a Multi-Router ... take that!

> Actually I was looking at the Woodhaven, I keep thinking you have the
> JDS miter gauge. Actually the Kreg is very much like the Woodhaven.
>
> Looks like Woodhaven also uses a brass indexing pin but uses brass in
> the common indexing holes, perhaps that would prevent the seize problem
> I had yesterday.
>
> Now if only I could get more details that their web site offers....

Come and get it. It's yours anytime you want to use it/give it a try. As
you know, basically between shops and its not being used at all.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 6/1/2011 8:12 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
> @swbelldotnet says...
>>
>> On 6/1/2011 6:20 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
>>> @swbelldotnet says...
>>>>
>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>
>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>>>> down the hole.
>>>
>>> First thing I'd do is call Kreg and see if they have any sage advice.
>>>
>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>
>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>
>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>
>>> I don't understand what you mean by "hanging off the table". If you
>>> mean you want a gage without an attached fence, Incra has several of
>>> them, and the fence can be removed from any of them without any
>>> difficulty.
>>>
>>
>> Say your board is 12" wide, most all but the smallest of gauges have to
>> hang off the front side of the fence to allow room for the board to
>> sit. The higher end Incras typically stick out way back behind the
>> fence. Basically I am not too sure how much of the guide bar ends up
>> being out of the slot.
>
> About as much as on the miter gage that typically comes with the saw.
>
> You're not obligated to use the Incra fence with the Incra miter gage.
> If it's too thick you can bolt on a piece of blind stop molding or
> whatever else you find to be of appropriate thickness.
>
>
So far you would have to be a mind reader to have a clue what I am
talking about, that is not your fault. ;~)

What I am really trying to say is I am more concerned with what is
actually behind the miter gauge fence. The fence is not the problem as
much as the miter gauge it self, behind the fence.

My Kreg jig guide bar is 24" long, 16" is in front of the fence and the
gauge itself is only 6" deep. The incra jigs tend to use up a lot of
the bar behind the fence. It appears in the pictures that perhaps a
much greater portion of some Incra guide bars may be hanging off the
front edge of the TS when cutting wide boards or panels. I see that a
possible problem if only 10~12 inches of the bar is in front of the
fence. Ill have to take a hands on look.

On 6/1/2011 10:47 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>
>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5
>> degree cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty
>> I pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree
>> setting. Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass
>> indexing pin would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would
>> not do any thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to
>> bound the pin out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too
>> tight to put back down the hole.
>>
>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>
>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>> so, been there done that.
>>
>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>
>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>> maintain tolerances.
>>
>> Sooooooooo
>
> L:
>
>
> After some recommendations here on TS accessories, I went
> a bump up and got the Incra 1000SE. Waiting and looking, it
> came to me locally for 120 + the government. The HD was
> a contender. But the superior refinements of degree selection
> on the SE, confirmed by comparing accounts of experiences,
> prodded the decision.
>
> I like it. My saw is left-tilt and it goes on the left side. No
> operation has commanded positioning it on the right yet.
> I'd guess it might take 5 minutes to switch it the first time,
> and a lot less once you get the motions on autoprogram.
>
> The adjustable, expansive Teflon washers to snug up the
> miter bar in the slot had one out of position and three
> that did need the indicated tuning. If you expand them
> so the slot gets into the no-go zone, flip them up
> and set the slit line back further before adjusting.
>
> If you want to cut degrees into tenths, it will. You
> can use the flip stop as a hold down on your board
> for operations where you aren't using it
> as a stop.
>
> There was one slip in the directions. You need to loosen
> the clamp knob before peforming continuous angle
> adjustments in step 2 of "Changing Angle Settings".
> Honestly, if you a guy that far and didn't do it, put
> the traffic cone on the head...but they mentioned it
> where appropriate elsewhere and should have there.
>
> A ball hex key is supplied for various adjustments.
> Were I to make a lot of them, I'd be replacing some
> of the frequently involved hex screws with thumbscrews.
> If the stop rods were graduated, that would have been
> nice too. The unit works well without those improvements.
> Will you be able to make finicky cuts measuring better
> than you can measuring and making a trial cut? No.
>
> There's a toothed engagement strip to fix the positioning
> of the flip stop when it's moved. They give you a
> lifetime replacment on said strip. But if you honestly
> loosen the flip stop enough so it clears the strip
> when you move it, you'll never have to use the
> guarantee.
>
> Would I buy it again? Hear the hearbeat. And I checked
> a range of reviews with a unanimous report of the
> same cardiac response.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>

Thanks for the review. At the moment my biggest problem with the Incras
equiped with the flip stop and expandable fence is the hassle of
switching sides.

The Kreg takes a couple of seconds with no tools, but it is not
expandable. The Incra appears to take perhaps 5 minutes to switch from
the left to the right side of the blade. And yes I use both sides about
evenly.

On 6/7/2011 4:38 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Larry Blanchard" wrote
>>
>> I have wondered about the availability of a diesel locomotive horn for
>> the bike :-).
>>
> I had a friend who put a Big Mack air horn in a little VW bug beater. He
> got it from the junk yard. It was big, ugly and LOUD!! He put in an air
> tank to run it. It took up much of the little trunk in the front of the
> car. When he blasted that thing off, it got people's attention.
>
> There has been a lot of discussion lately about how electric cars are
> too quiet and people don't know they are there. So they want to make
> them put some kind of noise maker on them so they can be heard. I though
> being quiet was a good thing! I find it interesting because I have
> always had a hearing problem and have never heard cars very well anyway.

Friend of mine has one of the Lexus R-somethinorothers. She asked me to
move it for her one day. No problem .... sheeeiiiiit! I tried to start
it for ten minutes before realizing it was already running.

Plus, you ever tried to start one of those keyless things for the first
time ...?

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On 6/1/2011 11:40 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/1/2011 10:47 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>
>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5
>>>> degree cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty
>>>> I pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree
>>>> setting. Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass
>>>> indexing pin would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would
>>>> not do any thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to
>>>> bound the pin out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too
>>>> tight to put back down the hole.
>>>>
>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>
>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>
>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>
>>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>>
>>>> Sooooooooo
>>>
>>> L:
>>>
>>>
>>> After some recommendations here on TS accessories, I went
>>> a bump up and got the Incra 1000SE. Waiting and looking, it
>>> came to me locally for 120 + the government. The HD was
>>> a contender. But the superior refinements of degree selection
>>> on the SE, confirmed by comparing accounts of experiences,
>>> prodded the decision.
>>>
>>> I like it. My saw is left-tilt and it goes on the left side. No
>>> operation has commanded positioning it on the right yet.
>>> I'd guess it might take 5 minutes to switch it the first time,
>>> and a lot less once you get the motions on autoprogram.
>>>
>>> The adjustable, expansive Teflon washers to snug up the
>>> miter bar in the slot had one out of position and three
>>> that did need the indicated tuning. If you expand them
>>> so the slot gets into the no-go zone, flip them up
>>> and set the slit line back further before adjusting.
>>>
>>> If you want to cut degrees into tenths, it will. You
>>> can use the flip stop as a hold down on your board
>>> for operations where you aren't using it
>>> as a stop.
>>>
>>> There was one slip in the directions. You need to loosen
>>> the clamp knob before peforming continuous angle
>>> adjustments in step 2 of "Changing Angle Settings".
>>> Honestly, if you a guy that far and didn't do it, put
>>> the traffic cone on the head...but they mentioned it
>>> where appropriate elsewhere and should have there.
>>>
>>> A ball hex key is supplied for various adjustments.
>>> Were I to make a lot of them, I'd be replacing some
>>> of the frequently involved hex screws with thumbscrews.
>>> If the stop rods were graduated, that would have been
>>> nice too. The unit works well without those improvements.
>>> Will you be able to make finicky cuts measuring better
>>> than you can measuring and making a trial cut? No.
>>>
>>> There's a toothed engagement strip to fix the positioning
>>> of the flip stop when it's moved. They give you a
>>> lifetime replacment on said strip. But if you honestly
>>> loosen the flip stop enough so it clears the strip
>>> when you move it, you'll never have to use the
>>> guarantee.
>>>
>>> Would I buy it again? Hear the hearbeat. And I checked
>>> a range of reviews with a unanimous report of the
>>> same cardiac response.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>
>>>
>> You mention the HD as a contender, which one is that?
>>
>> If I need to do accurate miters, I use my Dubby sled, each degree of
>> adjustment requires about 1/4" of fence movement, basically it would
>> be difficult to miss a setting with that much movement needed to
>> change the angle 1 degree. The degree scale is at the opposite end of
>> the fence pivot point.
>>
>> Basically I like the flip stops and am not that concerned about
>> multiple angle cuts since 99.9% of my cuts are at 90 degrees. I just
>> want to know that if it looks like the gauge is set on 90 it
>> absolutely is. The Kreg indexing pin assured me of that.
>>
>> Thanks again for the review.
>
> Leon:
>
> The clock beat me up at 3 chimes after 12 yesterday,
> so that must mean I rose at 15 o'clock???
>
> If you can read my re-fried mind, my friend,
> you must be
> a cryptanalyst and a real good cook.
>
> My comments were meant to apply to the
> HD. In this parallel universe of you waking
> people I got the designations mixed in the
> no-funhouse mirror. To affirm, my misgiven
> intent was to discuss the HD. The SE is the
> one on which I passed. As far as I can determine--pulling
> my eyelids open to make sure of what I write--the
> only difference between the HD (mine) and the
> SE (the contender) is the HD has a superior angle
> protractor with vernier cursor adjustment. The
> SE fits your requirements for less money.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-keywords=incra+1000HD&x=0&y=0
>
>
> Above is a page that will lead you to both units.
> There are 9 reviews for the HD (mine as discussed)
> and 74 for the SE. A survey will give you
> the drift. They want 160 for the HD and 123
> for the SE. As said, I paid 120 and tax for the
> HD.
>
> If you can play the waiting game, go to
> www.camelcamelcamel.com and you can set a
> price tracker for any Amazon item you want.
> If the item has been queried in the camelx3 system,
> you may get a decent time/price history for it.
> Should you care to register there, you can set
> price alerts for the stammering camel to let
> you know when prices drop.
>
> Right now, I'm going to drop into the
> bedbedbed.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey
>
>
>
>
Thank you! I get it now, HD as in 1000HD. LOL I'll check the reviews.

On 6/1/2011 6:07 PM, "<<<__ Bøb __>>>" wrote:
>
>
> On 6/1/2011 6:21 PM, Leon wrote:
>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>
>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I pulled
>> it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting. Then I
>> had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin would
>> not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any thing but
>> twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin out from
>> the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back down the
>> hole.
>>
>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>
>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>> so, been there done that.
>>
>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>
>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>> maintain tolerances.
>>
>> Sooooooooo
> Hard to beat an INCRA 1000SE

I am actually looking real hard at that one, on line. ;~)

Which side of the blade do you use yours? My Kreg was easily and
quickly switchable, it took 3 or 4 seconds to readjust the fence from
one side to the other.

I prefer cutting on the left side of the blade but for longer pieces I
switch over to the right side.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Thanks for the review. At the moment my biggest problem with the Incras
> equiped with the flip stop and expandable fence is the hassle of
> switching sides.
>
> The Kreg takes a couple of seconds with no tools, but it is not
> expandable. The Incra appears to take perhaps 5 minutes to switch from
> the left to the right side of the blade. And yes I use both sides about
> evenly.

What I have is the same or similar. Switching between left and right of
sawblade isn't much of a problem. A bigger one might be that it really
needs to have the full width(depth) of the fence on the saw table.
And, for smaller things I'd like some better holddown method ...

Opinion of a newbie at the craft, but I have had this miterfence for quite
a while ...

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Mine is indeed the Incra 1000 SE, with a Woodcraft label on it. It does
have a vernier on it for gauging 1/10 of degree increments.


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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Do you not find switching the fence extension to the other side a
> problem/PIA? In my case I might do this 3`4 times a day.

Yes it is a pain, but I bet that when you've done it a few times, it'll
take less than a minute in all.

> With the Kreg you loosen 2 wing nuts, slide the fence and tighten the
> wing nuts. But then again I have no fence extension.I guess I could
> leave the fence extension off un less I needed to use it....There is a
> thought.

Then the fence becomes real short ... Unlessyou fix somekind of auxiliary
fence to it, but then /it/ will have to switch between left and right .

> For small pieces I use the eraser on the end of a new pencil as a hold
> down.

THANKS!!


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-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> No better than these idiots with mufflers that make the car louder than
> if it had no muffler. Or... I may catch some flack for this.... Harley
> riders. The only purpose of these cars and motorcycles is for the
> drivers to wave a big flag in the air saying, "look at me, look at me!!"
>
> I'm sorry, but if you drive one of these cars or ride one of those bikes,
> you're an inconsiderate jerk. If you do so at night or worse, in
> the early morning hours, you're just a complete moron and a first class
> douche nozzle.

Those are woodpeckers. Just making noise to say "Lookie!! I'm here"

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"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>
>> On 6/7/11 6:19 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>> > On Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:13:58 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>> >
>> >> There's a reason emergency room personnel refer to motorcycle
>> >> riders as, "organ donors."
>> >
>> > Well, I've still got all of mine after 60 years of riding :-).
>> >
>> > There was a study quite a while back that had some interesting
>> > conclusions on motorcycle accidents. See:
>> >
>> > http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
>> >
>> > For those who don't want to read the whole thing, here's an
>> > interesting excerpt:
>> >
>> > "19. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are
>> > significantly overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders
>> > between the ages of 30 and 50 are significantly underrepresented.
>> > Although the majority of the accident-involved motorcycle riders
>> > are male (96%), the female motorcycles riders are significantly
>> > overrepresented in the accident data."
>> >
>> > No data on 74 year old motorcyclists like me :-).
>> >
>>
>> I have a saying. "There are no fender benders with motorcycles."
>> Doesn't really matter if every motorcyclist is the safest driver in
>> the world. If you're driving a car and someone cuts you off, you pull
>> over and call your insurance agent. If you're driving a motorcycle
>> and someone cuts you off, you call life flight.
>
> Harder to "cut off" a bike though. Fit through much smaller spaces,
> and are more maneuverable.

In Paris, on the Boulevard Périferique, 1 foot on either side of the
dashed line between the 2 left-most lanes is reserved for motorcycles.
Truly scary ... at least to 1 passenger ...

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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/5/2011 11:07 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
> Snip
>
>
>>>>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>>>>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>>>>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
>>>>> than some of the competition.
>>>>
>>>> Leonidas:
>>>>
>>>> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
>>>> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
>>>> give you feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>
>>> That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.
>>>
>>> Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
>>> gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge
>>> of the TS.
>>>
>>> The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
>>> guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the
>>> track feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled
>>> back and forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the
>>> miter slot?

L:

Approximately measured tests were conducted a little after
the sun awoke.

Observations.

*The horizontal terminal T on the end of the guide bar is
not adjustable for expansion. It has visible side-to-side and
vertical clearances.

*The 5 Teflon expansion washers are located on alternate
bar sides with two paired towards the bar front,
two paired near the front of the
of the fence (the forward fence face splits one
of the washers) and one rear of the fence.

*With the fence/protractor off the table, twisting and purely
horizontal play were evident. The weight of the unsupported
components are a prime factor in accentuating the twist.

*The table space in front of the 10" blade cut is about
9.75". The miter assembly gains adequate purchase on
the table to cut a board about 9.5" in width with a 10"
blade.

*Pushing a wide board off the table front, stability of
the Incra unit appears best maintained by slightly tilting
the forward bar upward to give the nose T contact
with the miter slot while applying a more noticeable
rightward twist to counter the leftward fence/protractor mass.

As the Incra moves forward to table contact
(even with a forward table bevel), the necessity for the
rightward twist affirms itself to avoid fence collision
with the table.

*With all that weight back of the table and shifted to one
side, I'm honestly unsure whether a longer bar would
be corrective.

The OEM fence guide on the front of the trial table saw would
be an obstruction to contriving any support for the Incra
off the table. Instead of reinventing the wheel, if your
interest persists, the Incra people should have good input
on this and the whole issue.

Also, I tried the OEM miter guage. It suffered from more
horizontal slop off and on the table. Without the big fence,
the twist was less. After I fooled with it to refine function
a long time ago, it cut close enough to dead on that I didn't
need a micrometer in the argument.

The Incra is better, the fence
is super once on the table and I haven't cut at enough fat
boards to give a firm opinion on what can be attained.

That's the qualified skinny.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

On 6/6/2011 10:45 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/6/2011 8:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 6/6/11 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you EDWARD
>>>
>>> HAHA!! Leon, it appears you have what my mom calls Halfheimer's. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> I am also claiming lack of sleep. Saturday night a neighbor's 2 Pit
>> Bulls went after it barking non stop from 1:00 am Sunday morning until
>> about 5:00 am Sunday morning until animal control picked one up.
>> Three times neighbors called police, 5 squad cars showed up on 3
>> different occasions that I know of and I got to meet 3~4 of my new
>> neighbors out in the street at about 3:00 am in the morning. This
>> barking has been an on going problem and it came to a head early
>> Sunday morning. Had the police not come there probably would have been
>> a lenching. We all damn near rioted because the owners of the dogs
>> would not answer the door. One of the dogs escaped his back yard 3
>> times that night so he was able to spread his non stop barking through
>> out the immediate neighborhood. The police were so pissed that they
>> told us exactly what we needed to fear to legally shoot the dogs.
>
> L:
>
> Insomnia works in wonderous ways. Who was that
> unsleepyhead who initially got the Incra model he owned wrong
> earlier in the thread? Oh, me. It happens with everybody.
>
> Somehow related, here's a story for your neighborhood.
>
> A neighbor's dog is barking ferociously at night.
> The couple next door keeps waking up. It gets
> to where the blonde wife punches her husband.
> But he just rolls over and pulls the pillow around
> his head. Finally, she punches him hard, he does
> the same thing and she announces "If you're not
> going to do anything about it, I am." He rolls over.
>
> She rushes out of the bedroom. She returns
> after a few minutes and triumphantly climbs into
> bed. The dog starts barking wildly again.
>
> Her husband
> raises up, looks at her and says "I thought you fixed that."
> She says, " I sure did. I put that damn dog in our yard.
> See how they like it now."


Now that is FUNNY

On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 15:34:17 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 6/4/2011 2:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:04:20 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>>>>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>>>>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>>>>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>>>>>>> down the hole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>>>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>>>>>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JessEm is nice, but so is the Incra 1000HD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sooooooooo
>>>>> .
>>>>> JessEm was my first thought, unfortunately their miter gauge is no
>>>>> longer in production.
>>>>
>>>> But you want it to be, um, bisexual (go either way). If that's a requirement,
>>>> you wouldn't like the JessEm anyway. I almost always work to the right of my
>>>> left-tilt, so that hasn't been a problem.
>>>
>>> Yup, almost equally use on both sides several times a day. I have not
>>> seen the Jeesem in detail lately as far as the fence is concerned.
>>> Thanks for pointing that out.
>>
>> The issue is the extension fence, but I think that'll be a problem with any of
>> them. Take that out (and ignore the tape) and it should work.
>
>Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
>than some of the competition.

I thought they were short too, but with the adjustments they fit extremely
well. I don't think making them longer would be much of an improvement. With
the 'T' slot tang on the front it would just be an incentive to bend it. ;-)

On 6/1/2011 11:41 PM, Dan Coby wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 7:18 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/1/2011 8:12 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
>>> @swbelldotnet says...
>>>>
>>>> On 6/1/2011 6:20 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, lcb11211
>>>>> @swbelldotnet says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5
>>>>>> degree
>>>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass
>>>>>> indexing pin
>>>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the
>>>>>> pin
>>>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> down the hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> First thing I'd do is call Kreg and see if they have any sage advice.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need
>>>>>> not do
>>>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't understand what you mean by "hanging off the table". If you
>>>>> mean you want a gage without an attached fence, Incra has several of
>>>>> them, and the fence can be removed from any of them without any
>>>>> difficulty.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Say your board is 12" wide, most all but the smallest of gauges have to
>>>> hang off the front side of the fence to allow room for the board to
>>>> sit. The higher end Incras typically stick out way back behind the
>>>> fence. Basically I am not too sure how much of the guide bar ends up
>>>> being out of the slot.
>>>
>>> About as much as on the miter gage that typically comes with the saw.
>>>
>>> You're not obligated to use the Incra fence with the Incra miter gage.
>>> If it's too thick you can bolt on a piece of blind stop molding or
>>> whatever else you find to be of appropriate thickness.
>>>
>>>
>> So far you would have to be a mind reader to have a clue what I am
>> talking about, that is not your fault. ;~)
>>
>> What I am really trying to say is I am more concerned with what is
>> actually behind the miter gauge fence. The fence is not the problem as
>> much as the miter gauge it self, behind
>> the fence.
>>
>> My Kreg jig guide bar is 24" long, 16" is in front of the fence and
>> the gauge itself is only 6" deep. The incra jigs tend to use up a lot
>> of the bar behind the fence. It appears in
>> the pictures that perhaps a much greater portion of some Incra guide
>> bars may be hanging off the front edge of the TS when cutting wide
>> boards or panels. I see that a possible
>> problem if only 10~12 inches of the bar is in front of the fence. Ill
>> have to take a hands on look.
>
> I have the Incra 1000HD. The miter bar is 17.75 inches. There is only
> 8.5 inches in
> front of the fence. The fence is 1.5 inches thick so you could gain some
> by using
> a thinner fence.
>
Hummmmm, half the length that mine is. thanks

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/6/2011 8:10 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/6/2011 4:11 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 6/5/2011 11:07 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>>> Snip
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>>>>>>>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The
>>>>>>>> Incra
>>>>>>>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8"
>>>>>>>> shorter
>>>>>>>> than some of the competition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leonidas:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
>>>>>>> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
>>>>>>> give you feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Edward Hennessey
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
>>>>>> gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge
>>>>>> of the TS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
>>>>>> guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the
>>>>>> track feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled
>>>>>> back and forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the
>>>>>> miter slot?
>>>
>>> L:
>>>
>>> Approximately measured tests were conducted a little after
>>> the sun awoke.
>>>
>>> Observations.
>>>
>>> *The horizontal terminal T on the end of the guide bar is
>>> not adjustable for expansion. It has visible side-to-side and
>>> vertical clearances.
>>>
>>> *The 5 Teflon expansion washers are located on alternate
>>> bar sides with two paired towards the bar front,
>>> two paired near the front of the
>>> of the fence (the forward fence face splits one
>>> of the washers) and one rear of the fence.
>>>
>>> *With the fence/protractor off the table, twisting and purely
>>> horizontal play were evident. The weight of the unsupported
>>> components are a prime factor in accentuating the twist.
>>>
>>> *The table space in front of the 10" blade cut is about
>>> 9.75". The miter assembly gains adequate purchase on
>>> the table to cut a board about 9.5" in width with a 10"
>>> blade.
>>>
>>> *Pushing a wide board off the table front, stability of
>>> the Incra unit appears best maintained by slightly tilting
>>> the forward bar upward to give the nose T contact
>>> with the miter slot while applying a more noticeable
>>> rightward twist to counter the leftward fence/protractor mass.
>>>
>>> As the Incra moves forward to table contact
>>> (even with a forward table bevel), the necessity for the
>>> rightward twist affirms itself to avoid fence collision
>>> with the table.
>>>
>>> *With all that weight back of the table and shifted to one
>>> side, I'm honestly unsure whether a longer bar would
>>> be corrective.
>>>
>>> The OEM fence guide on the front of the trial table saw would
>>> be an obstruction to contriving any support for the Incra
>>> off the table. Instead of reinventing the wheel, if your
>>> interest persists, the Incra people should have good input
>>> on this and the whole issue.
>>>
>>> Also, I tried the OEM miter guage. It suffered from more
>>> horizontal slop off and on the table. Without the big fence,
>>> the twist was less. After I fooled with it to refine function
>>> a long time ago, it cut close enough to dead on that I didn't
>>> need a micrometer in the argument.
>>>
>>> The Incra is better, the fence
>>> is super once on the table and I haven't cut at enough fat
>>> boards to give a firm opinion on what can be attained.
>>>
>>> That's the qualified skinny.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Edward Hennessey
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much Henry. I really do appreciate all the effort you
>> went to and the information.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>
>
> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>
>
> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>
> Thank you EDWARD

Leonid:

You have second sight. You saw right through my cybernym.
But watch that guy next door. If he's going by Edward,
he may be a vampire. You're lucky he's not calling himself
"George"; that's number one among captured Russki
spies. But, "Henry"...are Frenchmen dangerous?

And..now seriously...my pleasure, again. You're welcome.

I'm thinking of calling/emailing the Incramen with the
final observations and seeing what they say. If this happens
with feedback, I'll pin it to the thread.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

The real field test would be cutting a piece of scrap. Maybe
there's something in the wood pile. In fact,

On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/4/2011 2:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:04:20 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
>> than some of the competition.
>
> Leonidas:
>
> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
> give you feedback.
>
> Regards,
>
> Edward Hennessey

That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.

Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge of
the TS.

The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the
track feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled
back and forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the
miter slot?

On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>
>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>> down the hole.
>>
>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>
>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>> so, been there done that.
>>
>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>
>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>> maintain tolerances.
>
> JessEm is nice, but so is the Incra 1000HD.
>
>> Sooooooooo
.
JessEm was my first thought, unfortunately their miter gauge is no
longer in production.

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/5/2011 12:54 PM, Edward Hennessey wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 6/4/2011 2:11 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:04:20 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> Actually my concern is how short the guide bar is when the gauge is
>>> behind a wide board, Length of the fence is not a concern. The Incra
>>> miter gauges have Incradabley short guide bars, as much as 8" shorter
>>> than some of the competition.
>>
>> Leonidas:
>>
>> Tell you what, spec me on how wide/thick a board you
>> have in mind and I'll load something on the Incra and
>> give you feedback.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Edward Hennessey
>
> That is mighty generous of you sir. Thank you.
>
> Here is what I am thinking. I try not to cut anything with the miter
> gauge that would require the gauge fence to go behind the front edge of
> the TS.
>
> The 1000 series have pretty shore guide bars. My concern is that the
> guide bar might not wobble left or right a bit until the rest of the track
> feeds into he fence. Basically can the miter gauge be wiggled back and
> forth when half the of the guide bar is not engaged with the miter slot?

L:

My pleasure.

I'll check tomorrow and report.

To review, aside from the terminal metal T on the guide
bar there are split Teflon washers adjustable by machine
screws. Mine are expanded for a snug fit that does not
impede bar movement and, hopefully, won't invite
their rapid wear.

Because vertical play might be a subsequent question,
I'll load the unit with a wider board in your check position
, as well as noting unloaded performance.

Frankly, the basic miter assembly original to the machine
was good and memory says it has a guide bar
of similar length to the Incra, without the final T.
That will win a trial too for comparison.

One of the books I swallowed recently suggests remedies
for tightening simple guide bars worth note. A drill press
would be advisable as an installation tool.

At equidistant points
spaced alternately on both sides along the center line of
the guide bar thickness, drill and install Teflon or brass
screws. Cut off the heads. Turn them in with a pliers/vice
grip until they fit into the miter bar slot and evenly protrude
according to your preference for the degree of snugness
desired. Sounds like a snappy approach to a worn
miter slot.

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Larry Blanchard wrote the following:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:22:24 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>
>> The irony I see is how a guy uses examples of all these accidents he's
>> been as evidence to show how safe bikes are.
>>
>
> Those accidents were all back in my teenage days. I took a lot of stupid
> chances back then. And my point remains, there are a lot of motorcycle
> accidents that the rider walks away from.
>

Or at least, limps away from.
> But you've had your say and I've had mine. Let's leave it at that.
>
>


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On 6/6/2011 8:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/6/11 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>
>> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>>
>>
>> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>>
>> Thank you EDWARD
>
> HAHA!! Leon, it appears you have what my mom calls Halfheimer's. :-)
>
>
I am also claiming lack of sleep. Saturday night a neighbor's 2 Pit
Bulls went after it barking non stop from 1:00 am Sunday morning until
about 5:00 am Sunday morning until animal control picked one up.
Three times neighbors called police, 5 squad cars showed up on 3
different occasions that I know of and I got to meet 3~4 of my new
neighbors out in the street at about 3:00 am in the morning. This
barking has been an on going problem and it came to a head early Sunday
morning. Had the police not come there probably would have been a
lenching. We all damn near rioted because the owners of the dogs would
not answer the door. One of the dogs escaped his back yard 3 times that
night so he was able to spread his non stop barking through out the
immediate neighborhood. The police were so pissed that they told us
exactly what we needed to fear to legally shoot the dogs.

Leon wrote:

>
> Pounding the brass pin out flared the tapered end and distorted the
> pin and the hole it went into. I have a letter in to Kreg.

A letter? Aren't those museum items these days?

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:04:20 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>On 6/2/2011 11:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:43:01 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/2/2011 8:26 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been using a Kreg miter gauge for about 6-8 years now and have
>>>>> been berry happy with it. Until now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today I pulled the brass idexing pin out and adjusted for a 22.5 degree
>>>>> cut and replaced the indexing pin. Felt tight. With difficulty I
>>>>> pulled it out after the cut and returned it to the 90 degree setting.
>>>>> Then I had to make that 22.5 degree cut again and the brass indexing pin
>>>>> would not come out. Pliers and finally vice grips would not do any
>>>>> thing but twist the pin. I finally had to use a drift to bound the pin
>>>>> out from the bottom side and the pin is still way too tight to put back
>>>>> down the hole.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any recommendations on another brand?
>>>>>
>>>>> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
>>>>> so, been there done that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
>>>>> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.
>>>>>
>>>>> JessEm looks great but is out of production, apparently they could not
>>>>> maintain tolerances.
>>>>
>>>> JessEm is nice, but so is the Incra 1000HD.
>>>>
>>>>> Sooooooooo
>>> .
>>> JessEm was my first thought, unfortunately their miter gauge is no
>>> longer in production.
>>
>> But you want it to be, um, bisexual (go either way). If that's a requirement,
>> you wouldn't like the JessEm anyway. I almost always work to the right of my
>> left-tilt, so that hasn't been a problem.
>
>Yup, almost equally use on both sides several times a day. I have not
>seen the Jeesem in detail lately as far as the fence is concerned.
>Thanks for pointing that out.

The issue is the extension fence, but I think that'll be a problem with any of
them. Take that out (and ignore the tape) and it should work.

On 6/2/2011 7:09 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>>
>> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>
> IMO they all have some undesirable traits but, for sheer repeatable
> accuracy I've never been able to beat my Woodhaven ...
>
> I know you don't like it, but mine works and yours doesn't! <g, d & r>

Not @you, Mike ... Leon.

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On 6/2/2011 7:09 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>>
>> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>
> IMO they all have some undesirable traits but, for sheer repeatable
> accuracy I've never been able to beat my Woodhaven ...
>
> I know you don't like it, but mine works and yours doesn't! <g, d & r>
>

I have a Domino.,... ;~)

Actually I was looking at the Woodhaven, I keep thinking you have the
JDS miter gauge. Actually the Kreg is very much like the Woodhaven.

Looks like Woodhaven also uses a brass indexing pin but uses brass in
the common indexing holes, perhaps that would prevent the seize problem
I had yesterday.

Now if only I could get more details that their web site offers....

On 6/5/2011 2:06 PM, Jim Weisgram wrote:
> [...snip...]
>> I am not sure the thing is available any more. I visited all the
>> dealers that Woodhaven listed and none show the miter gauge and one
>> listed the Deluxe as discontinued.. ;~( Next time I am over I'll try to
>> take a closer look.
>
>
> The Woodhaven web site still lists it for sale, as does Amazon.
>
> http://woodhaven.com/Woodhaven-4911K-Deluxe-Miter-Gauge-Kit/M/B002LU3BY4.htm


Yes, I have found them to be available. Thanks.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603

Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.


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On 6/1/11 10:46 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>>
>> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>>
>>
>
>
> Basicaly an Osbourn. I had an EB-2 Osbourne several years ago for a
> couple of days. The concept is good but the execution has an inherant
> flaw. The fence will swing to 45 degrees both ways. The telescoping arm
> in its closed position, 45 degree setting is plenty sturdy. That all
> goes out the window then going to the other 45 degree setting with the
> telescoping arm extended to its extreme. The one I had and the others in
> the store were very wobbly with the arm telescoped out. You could easily
> grab the fence and move it back and forth.
>
> Might explain why you can get the real MaCoy these days for under $100.
> IIRC I paid about $180.

Thanks for the real life info.


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On 6/2/2011 8:41 AM, Leon wrote:


>>> Looks like Woodhaven also uses a brass indexing pin but uses brass in
>>> the common indexing holes, perhaps that would prevent the seize problem
>>> I had yesterday.

I have had a Woodhaven basic model for a number of years and it stays
where you put it every single time.

The two big setting of 90 and 45 are set with a registration pin and
will not move.

I also have my original 1966 Delta miter guage that came with my 12/14
saw and it is "very" accurate even 46 years later.

It also weighs in at about 20 lbs.

I would get on the horn with Kreg...they are very nice folks.

I forget who they bought that miter guage deal from.

On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:21:21 -0500, Leon wrote:

> Any recommendations on another brand?
>
> Those that might suggest the Osbourne or the Delta version need not do
> so, been there done that.
>
> Incra has been a consideration but I do often cut wide boards and I
> don't want the gauge hanging off the table.

I don't recall the model #, but I have the Incra with the notch for every
degree. I bought it without a fence and made my own. I'm happy with it.

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On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 21:40:00 -0700, Edward Hennessey wrote:

> The SE fits your requirements for less money.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dtools&field-
keywords=incra+1000HD&x=0&y=0

And here's the one I bought:

http://www.amazon.com/Incra-MITERV120-INCRA-MiterV120-Miter/dp/B001RCTTG6/
ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1307031374&sr=1-4

Yes, it does have a short bar. But I've never seen that as a problem -
with a board laying on it it isn't going to lift.

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On 6/2/11 7:20 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/2/2011 7:09 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 6/1/2011 10:02 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=30603
>>>
>>> Don't know if this DeWalt DW7470 is any good, but for $75 it might be.
>>
>> IMO they all have some undesirable traits but, for sheer repeatable
>> accuracy I've never been able to beat my Woodhaven ...
>>
>> I know you don't like it, but mine works and yours doesn't! <g, d & r>
>
> Not @you, Mike ... Leon.
>

I was already scratching my head. :-)


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On 6/2/11 11:19 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> And here's the one I bought:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Incra-MITERV120-INCRA-MiterV120-Miter/dp/B001RCTTG6/
> ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1307031374&sr=1-4
>
> Yes, it does have a short bar. But I've never seen that as a problem -
> with a board laying on it it isn't going to lift.
>

Hey, I like that one, especially at that price.
It has a t-tip for the slot, so I don't see how it would lift, anyway.


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On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 06:44:07 -0500, Leon wrote:

> Now I realize that the Incra probably has a guide bar slot adjustment
> just ahead of the fence position and farther forward towards the end of
> the bar. How many in the span I do not know, and I am not going to
> argue with your results as you have the proof and I only have
> speculation to the possible results. Generally speaking the more guide
> bar adjustments the less likely that there will be any left/right
> pivoting.

Years ago, Incra came out with the Miter Slider line. They only had two
slot adjustments, one at each end, which made them pretty well useless
any time either end was off the table. I did a quick check and found
that the 18" model is still like that. The 25" model has 3. Oh well.

Myself, I'm kind of partial to these:

http://www.ptreeusa.com/miter_t_bar_detail.htm

Shouldn't be that hard to replace the bar on a miter gauge with one of
these. So far I've just used them for jigs like sliding tables so I
haven't tried.

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On 6/6/11 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>
> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>
>
> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>
> Thank you EDWARD

HAHA!! Leon, it appears you have what my mom calls Halfheimer's. :-)


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On 6/6/11 9:59 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/6/2011 8:34 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 6/6/11 8:12 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> AND THEN I CALL YOU HENRY. O! M! G!
>>>
>>>
>>> sorry , sorry, sorry.... I just met a new neighbor whose name is Henry.
>>>
>>> Thank you EDWARD
>>
>> HAHA!! Leon, it appears you have what my mom calls Halfheimer's. :-)
>>
>>
> I am also claiming lack of sleep. Saturday night a neighbor's 2 Pit
> Bulls went after it barking non stop from 1:00 am Sunday morning until
> about 5:00 am Sunday morning until animal control picked one up.
> Three times neighbors called police, 5 squad cars showed up on 3
> different occasions that I know of and I got to meet 3~4 of my new
> neighbors out in the street at about 3:00 am in the morning. This
> barking has been an on going problem and it came to a head early Sunday
> morning. Had the police not come there probably would have been a
> lenching. We all damn near rioted because the owners of the dogs would
> not answer the door. One of the dogs escaped his back yard 3 times that
> night so he was able to spread his non stop barking through out the
> immediate neighborhood. The police were so pissed that they told us
> exactly what we needed to fear to legally shoot the dogs.

Sounds like some of the people in my neighborhood.
I don't know how people have to be raised in order to have complete
disregard for their neighbors. With most people (I optimistically still
believe) if they were woken up by their own dog's barking, would
immediately be in a cold sweat, thinking, "OMG, what will my neighbors
think?" and they'd go out and shut the dogs up.

Back in Ohio, I had two neighbors. One would bend over backwards to
help you.... salt of the earth types.
The other had a dog that barked all night. One day, I couldn't take it
anymore and went over to talk to them about it. They said, "Well, a dog
is gonna bark at deer and another animals. They're just being dogs." I
said, "That's true, but how about if you take him in for the night."
Their reply (not making this up), "If we take him in, he'll keep us up
all night, barking to be let out."


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