I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let me
set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying for
lift gate services.
I can't find anything on Google except wooden toys and commercial
machinery. I started working on a plan last night, and it doesn't seem
like it should be all that difficult to build - surely someone has
already solved the problem...
Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:02:23 -0700, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
>> 250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let me
>> set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying for
>> lift gate services.
>
>Something like this?
>http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?in_merch=1&storeId=6970&productId=787&R=787
>("High lifting pallet truck")
>I assume larger wheels could be installed if the stock ones are too
>small for use outside.
>Andy
Or you could consider adding to the garage and getting a $1500 fork
lift ;-)
http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tls/354912071.html
> I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
> 250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let me
> set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying for
> lift gate services.
Something like this?
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?in_merch=1&storeId=6970&productId=787&R=787
("High lifting pallet truck")
I assume larger wheels could be installed if the stock ones are too
small for use outside.
Andy
I recently saw a video of a guy who is building a replica stonehenge
*by himself* using simple machines to gain the necessary leverage.
Ahhh. here it is:
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com/
Bob the Tomato
On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:15:06 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Bob the Tomato wrote:
>| What about a giant see-saw? You could put the pallet on a platform
>| on one end, then stack weights on the other end until it
>| counterbalances and raises the pallet to the truck deck height.
>| Then wheel up to the pallet with the driver's pallet jack and slide
>| it into the truck.
>
>Kind of like a trebuchet, except that it doesn't actually /throw/ the
>pallet? :-)
On Jun 20, 2:02 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:
Sorry for the double post, but google/ebay have turned up a few more,
i.e.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Hydraulic-Pallet-Stacker-Lift-Truck-Forklift_W0QQitemZ290129467919QQihZ019QQcategoryZ109541QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(eBay item 290129467919, pallet stacker)
"pallet stacker" and "high lift pallet truck" seem to be productive
search terms...
Andy
I am wondering if anyone caught the original header of "Plans for a
WOODEN forklift or pallet lifter/pallet mover"
Note the stress on WOODEN. I am thinking that the industrious Mr.
Dovey is looking for something he can build.
That would seem evident in asking for plans (the first word in the
header).
Just a thought...
Robert
> Note the stress on WOODEN. I am thinking that the industrious Mr.
> Dovey is looking for something he can build.
True; I have to admit I missed the subject line. But he also asked
for photos - before I design/build something, I like to try to find
pictures of as many different types of items like that as I can.
Thanks for paying attention and putting us back on the intended track,
but hopefully some of the ideas/pictures/search terms above might
still be helpful.
Andy
Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 6:32pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (Andy) doth
sayeth:
True; I have to admit I missed the subject line. <snip>
I didn't miss it, I just ignored it.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
On Jun 20, 1:32 pm, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for paying attention and putting us back on the >intended track, but hopefully some of the >ideas/pictures/search terms above might
> still be helpful.
> Andy
No doubt they would be. That wasn't really pointed at you, but the
group sometimes (I include myself in that number) from ADD and cannot
stay on task for more than a couple of posts. Those grinding SawStop
threads (last one still wheezing along) are perfect examples.
To me, finding a lift like you did at Northern would erase any ideas I
entertained about building one. At less than $500, I cannot imagine
the expenditure of time and money would be needed in wood and hardware
to make a suitable platform and then attach a lifting device. It
doesn't sound like an evening project to me. Time being what it is
these days, $ 469 looks like a bargain.
BTW, I saw nothing of shop built wood constructed lifting devices when
I looked.
Just my 0.02.
Robert
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> Once you get that forklift, you'll be amazed at how handy it can be. With a
> platform it is good for high work if it is double or triple mast. .
>
Every place I can recall working at had welded up a pair of pockets for
the forks and a boom with a hook on the far end for a chain lift.
Also (OSHA UN-approved) putting walls around a pallet makes for a decent
work platform. If you make the walls 3' tall and provide a way t clamp
to the forks and to attach a fall harness, you might even slide in under
the OSHA radar.
Bill
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Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 11:33am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris=A0Dovey)
whoe middle name is Scrooge says:
I'm looking <snip> to avoid paying for lift gate services. <snip>
Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
Not seen any plans for lifting AND moving, but several thoughts
immediately spring to mind. Depending on exactly how cheap you actually
are.
Brbe a few teenagers to lift, carry, load, whatever. If they're
employees you can threaten firing if they don't cooperate.
Engine hoist. They've got wheels, albet rather small, and you'd be
best off with a smoth surface to allow relatvely as using. Not sure if
they'd lift high enough.
Make a roling hoist, use a come-along or chain hoist. Put it on
weels.
Make a fork lift. Use a garden tractor, use a hand crank, or a
chain hoist, to lift it. Shouldn't be a biggie.
ff you've got a peekop truck, get one ofthose bed hoists. Should
run around $100. Lift whatever up, back the peekop so the load is in,
viola.
Getch 'cha a big ramp, and push the load up the ramp. You coudd
even make something to jack each corner up a few inches, and hook a
wheel, or large casters, on each corner.
Make a large dirt ramp, make a few dozen wood rollers, get a whip,
get a crew of a dozen or so Egyptians. Or, get the same, without the
Egyptians, get a camera (working or no), get a dozen or so people who
want to be in a movie, tell them you're making a move, charge them for
acting guild fees. You get the work done, you make a profit, life is
good.
That's the best I can come up with without thinking.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
[email protected] wrote:
| To me, finding a lift like you did at Northern would erase any
| ideas I entertained about building one. At less than $500, I
| cannot imagine the expenditure of time and money would be needed in
| wood and hardware to make a suitable platform and then attach a
| lifting device. It doesn't sound like an evening project to me.
I followed all the links and looked at the pix - and also found an
actual propane-fueled fork lift on E-Bay. It's over in Davenport and
has been bid up to $380. My next door shop neighbor has an old Bendix
that I may be able to buy for about $300, but both of these take up a
bit more space than I'm ready to give up (yet).
Thanks, all!
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 3:05pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris=A0Dovey) doth
now sayeth:
<snip> My next door shop neighbor has an old Bendix that I may be able
to buy for about $300, but both of these take up a bit more space than
I'm ready to give up (yet).
Hell Morris. Buy it. Don't even think about te space it'll take
up. Worst case senario, you sell it and make a profit. But the thing
to do is make a wood whatever to fit over the forks, making a work
surface. That will reduce space taken up while increasing usable work
area. You can make some sort of wood structue that fits over the back
for something similar, or temporary storage. You need to use it,
uncover it, you won't care about the space the wooden "structures" take
up, because you'll be loading. When finished, park it again, and put
the "structures" back in pace.
I've got someting along those lines that sets on th top of my wood
lathe stand, gives a substantial increase in work surface, with no
additional space lost.
If I had the chance to buy a forklift for $300, I'd probably buy
it, and I don't have any use for one at all. And, it'd have to be
parked outside, under a tarp. But you can sure betcha I could find a
lot of uses for it.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Morris Dovey wrote:
| I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
| 250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let
| me set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying
| for lift gate services.
|
| I can't find anything on Google except wooden toys and commercial
| machinery. I started working on a plan last night, and it doesn't
| seem like it should be all that difficult to build - surely someone
| has already solved the problem...
|
| Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
Thanks, all, for your input. I think I'm going to try building
something like the drawing posted to abpw.
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:42:54 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>DIY pallet hauling isn't a reasonable alternative for me, and I'm
>perfectly happy to pay the trucking companies to do the hauling. Lift
>gate services are an extra cost option here in the greater DeSoto
>metropolitan area (a joke, folks - there are probably fewer than 1500
>inhabitants, even if you include livestock and visitors from
>out-of-town) - and generally costs $50.
>
>I'm happy to pay the truckers to do the hauling. What I want to do is
>eliminate the lift gate charges when they pick up loads at my shop. I
>could just charge this to my customers, but would prefer keep the cost
>down.
>
>If/when I have a lot of outgoing shipments, a real fork lift will make
>sense. Until then I make-do. If I can, I'll make-do in style - after
>all, how many shops can boast "woody" fork lifts? :-)
Well then what if you took something like this
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=46299
and made a platform?
Mark
Lew Hodgett wrote:
| dpb wrote:
| > Morris, one other note -- occasionally you can find forklift mast
| > assemblies at near giveaway prices.
|
| There are outfits that just part out old fork lifts.
|
| Check with the local fork lift dealers.
|
| They will know how to find them.
|
| Lew
I've found a couple of low-dollar forklifts. I figure there are a lot
of the things around, and that they're all busily aging. In the short
term, all I need to be able to do is hoist a 100-300 lb (maximum)
shop-built pallet onto the back end of a semi trailer. The fork can
will wait until I have a real need. There are other things I need to
spend for first.
I'll touch base with local used equipment dealers and see if I can
find a fork lift "chop shop" in the area. I won't hurt to let people
know that I'm interested...
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Lew Hodgett wrote:
| dpb wrote:
|
| > I expect that must be because of the large metro area -- most
| places > there's a pretty steep surcharge (like in the $100 range)
| for lift gate
| > service.
|
| At a $100/shot, a chain fall and an old pickup start looking pretty
| attractive.
|
| Even the $20, Home Depot truck rental, comes into play.
DIY pallet hauling isn't a reasonable alternative for me, and I'm
perfectly happy to pay the trucking companies to do the hauling. Lift
gate services are an extra cost option here in the greater DeSoto
metropolitan area (a joke, folks - there are probably fewer than 1500
inhabitants, even if you include livestock and visitors from
out-of-town) - and generally costs $50.
I'm happy to pay the truckers to do the hauling. What I want to do is
eliminate the lift gate charges when they pick up loads at my shop. I
could just charge this to my customers, but would prefer keep the cost
down.
If/when I have a lot of outgoing shipments, a real fork lift will make
sense. Until then I make-do. If I can, I'll make-do in style - after
all, how many shops can boast "woody" fork lifts? :-)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Bob the Tomato wrote:
| What about a giant see-saw? You could put the pallet on a platform
| on one end, then stack weights on the other end until it
| counterbalances and raises the pallet to the truck deck height.
| Then wheel up to the pallet with the driver's pallet jack and slide
| it into the truck.
Kind of like a trebuchet, except that it doesn't actually /throw/ the
pallet? :-)
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 19:17:22 -0500, dpb <[email protected]> wrote:
>I expect that must be because of the large metro area -- most places
>there's a pretty steep surcharge (like in the $100 range) for lift gate
>service.
My Performax 22/44, purchased from Amazon, was delivered with a lift
gate to central Connecticut last December at no extra charge. My
total delivery charge was $99.
I'd call my area "light suburban", compared to my travels around the
country. The largest city within an hour's drive has ~ 150,000
residents, I live in a 55 sq/mile town of 50,000.
Another shocker was that the sander was AIR FREIGHTED from a WMH
location (Memphis?) to BDL, where it got put on a ~ 24' straight
truck.
---------------------------------------------
** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------
woodstuff wrote:
> I don't have a fork lift, so I pick up larger and heavier stuff at the
> shipping terminals and use an overhead hoist to unload inside the
shop from
> the pickup or trailer. I am taking donations for a fork lift if
anyone has
> spare change. :-)
I wonder if lift gate charges have something to do with an area?
Here in L/A, the only trailers that aren't equipped with a lift gate
are containers on trailers out for delivery/pickup to a job site and
containers being run back and forth from the docks to the rail yards.
Everything I have delivered comes on a lift gate trailer and there is
no notation of a lift gate surcharge on the invoice. Maybe it is hidden.
Lew
dpb wrote:
> I expect that must be because of the large metro area -- most places
> there's a pretty steep surcharge (like in the $100 range) for lift
gate
> service.
At a $100/shot, a chain fall and an old pickup start looking pretty
attractive.
Even the $20, Home Depot truck rental, comes into play.
Lew
Morris Dovey wrote:
> I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
> 250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let me
> set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying for
> lift gate services.
>
> I can't find anything on Google except wooden toys and commercial
> machinery. I started working on a plan last night, and it doesn't seem
> like it should be all that difficult to build - surely someone has
> already solved the problem...
>
> Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>
This would be ideal if it was in your price range .. .. ..
http://cgi.ebay.com/BIG-JOE-3000-LB-24-VOLT-WALK-BEHIND-FORKLIFT-60-LIFT_W0QQitemZ180130015371QQihZ008QQcategoryZ97185QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 11:33am (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris Dovey)
whoe middle name is Scrooge says:
I'm looking <snip> to avoid paying for lift gate services. <snip>
Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
Not seen any plans for lifting AND moving, but several thoughts
immediately spring to mind. Depending on exactly how cheap you actually
are.
Brbe a few teenagers to lift, carry, load, whatever. If they're
employees you can threaten firing if they don't cooperate.
Engine hoist. They've got wheels, albet rather small, and you'd be
best off with a smoth surface to allow relatvely as using. Not sure if
they'd lift high enough.
Make a roling hoist, use a come-along or chain hoist. Put it on
weels.
Make a fork lift. Use a garden tractor, use a hand crank, or a
chain hoist, to lift it. Shouldn't be a biggie.
ff you've got a peekop truck, get one ofthose bed hoists. Should
run around $100. Lift whatever up, back the peekop so the load is in,
viola.
Getch 'cha a big ramp, and push the load up the ramp. You coudd
even make something to jack each corner up a few inches, and hook a
wheel, or large casters, on each corner.
Make a large dirt ramp, make a few dozen wood rollers, get a whip,
get a crew of a dozen or so Egyptians. Or, get the same, without the
Egyptians, get a camera (working or no), get a dozen or so people who
want to be in a movie, tell them you're making a move, charge them for
acting guild fees. You get the work done, you make a profit, life is
good.
That's the best I can come up with without thinking.
***********************
We can always count on JOAT for a sensible solution. In the midth of the
above suggestions are a couple that are close to what I have seen done.
I have seen a hand crank fork lift that rolled around. I would think if you
looked around some industrial sites, they would have something like this.
Just steal the design and build you own.
The earthen ramp and loading dock is what my dad had us build on the farm.
It works good if you have some cheap labor.
The wood ramp (and platform) built from some two by materials is something
that I have built and used. Maybe install an electric winch on it. Bring
the winch out when you are going to use it to keep it out of the weather.
PS: I have had to buy/build some lifting type things for 55 gallon drums.
Some of that stuff is quite clever. You may look at some of that stuff for
some ideas that could be adapted to what you are doing.
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> | How about a simple platform, 8' x 8' (two sheets of 3/4" ply) on
> | a 2x8 frame with 2x6 joists (24" on center) supported by 4x6 posts
> | at truck bed level. Build up your pallet on the platform, rather
> | than on the ground, then just shift into truck.
>
> I just love usenet! ;-)
>
> That would work if I put the platform on wheels and added an elevator
> to raise the items to go on the pallet.
>
> Kinda like a fork lift that lets one raise the pallet, then build the
> load. :-)
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
>
>
How about a hydraulic lift table? Same idea ... plop the pallet down,
build the load, wheel it to the truck, jack up the table. HF has them
fairly reasonably priced. For your volume, a foot-operated table would
be plenty good enough.
Cheaper than a hi-lo, probably has additional uses in your shop. (place
to set Monday morning donuts & coffee for the crew ;-)
Bill
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Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 6:56pm From: leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net
(Lee=A0Michaels)
We can always count on JOAT for a sensible solution. In the midth of the
above suggestions are a couple that are close to what I have seen done.
<snip>
Glad you like the movie idea. I think turning it into a Russ Meyer
type production would be good.
Now that you mention it, when I was a kid, I don't think I ever saw
a farm without at least one dirt ramp for loading trucks. A lot of the
barns were either built into theside of a hil or had a dirt ramp leading
to an upper floor also. Just because its low tech doesn't mean it's a
bad idea.
Somewhere too I've seen plans for a homemade loader on the front of
a farm tractor. Seen some made without plans too. Never heard of any
of them not working.
Low tech for loading a truck tho, you can't beat a dirt ramp, some
kind of a low bed mover, easy to load, then when it gets up to the
truck, easy to slide the load off. Low tech, low buck, works.
There's a gass company around here wih a neat rig. It's a trailer,
on two wheels. Stradles a home type prone LP gas tank, the ig one, a
chain hoist hooks on and lifts it, then they fasten it to keep it
steady, then drive away to wherever it's going. Clearly homemade (if
not, it should be, it's definitely deasy enough to make).
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Almost forgot. My uncle used to use a homemade wheelbarrow type
thing to move his milk cans. If you've ever messed with a large, full,
milk can, you'll know they're heavy. This thing was very low, with
sides. It'd hold 3-4 milk cans. When you lifted the handles, the
bottom only cam an inch or two offf the ground. Made it quite easy to
load a full can, and easy to unload. You wouldn't want to move it too
far, but fr moving cans from the barn to te milk house, about 100 feet
or so, it worked just fine.
If you don't know what a milk house is, his was cement blocks,
cement floor, with a large, electric powered, water filled, cooler.
Lifting the milk cans in the cooler wasn't as bad as it dould be, becaus
it was set down a bit. There the milk cooled until the next day when
the dairy truck stopped by and picked the raw milk up. Everyhing was
cleaned very well in their, daily. The milking machine and wall were
cleaned with scalding water, every time used. I had an ucle in
Tennessee that used a spring for his drinking water and cooling milk,
butter, etc. Different places, different customs. But the one in
Tennessee didn't sell milk, just produced enough for home use.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Lee Michaels wrote:
| They just wheeled the stock onto the platform, fired up the
| hovercraft engine, and the whole thing just floated a few inches
| above the floor. Then the material was pushed to the new location.
| Shut down the engine, wheeled the stock off, etc.
|
| It was noisy but impressive. So Morris, how about it?? A dirt
| ramp and a hovercraft would be an elegant solution. ;)
Well, I kinda like the idea - but my shop is in an aircraft hanger and
my driveway is a taxiway used by a dozen or so aircraft. I think the
pilots would probably decide the hovercraft was cool - but the dirt
ramp probably wouldn't make the grade.
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Bob the Tomato wrote:
| Morris, would it be possible to dig out a sunken truck ramp/dock?
| That way, you are not lifting the load, you are lowering the truck
| deck.
I can see that I need to post a few photos of the /outside/ of my
shop. It's in an aircraft hanger in the highest (ground) traffic area
of a small town airport.
If I built a dock or ramp (either sunken or raised) I'd be lynched
posthaste by the other tenants /and/ by my landlord.
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Scott Lurndal wrote:
| How about a simple platform, 8' x 8' (two sheets of 3/4" ply) on
| a 2x8 frame with 2x6 joists (24" on center) supported by 4x6 posts
| at truck bed level. Build up your pallet on the platform, rather
| than on the ground, then just shift into truck.
I just love usenet! ;-)
That would work if I put the platform on wheels and added an elevator
to raise the items to go on the pallet.
Kinda like a fork lift that lets one raise the pallet, then build the
load. :-)
--
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DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
RE: Subject
If you can locally (within 100 miles)get a 3,000 lb, propane operated
fork lift, that is in operating condition, for under $500, case
closed, unless you just need an excuse to build something.
Even if the bloody thing leaks a gallon of hydraulic fluid a week,
throw down some kitty litter, and you are still ahead of the game.
Hell, a new aluminum propane tank for a fork lift is more than $100.
Lew
"J T" wrote in message
Now that you mention it, when I was a kid, I don't think I ever saw
a farm without at least one dirt ramp for loading trucks. A lot of the
barns were either built into theside of a hil or had a dirt ramp leading
to an upper floor also. Just because its low tech doesn't mean it's a
bad idea.
----------------
Yep, dirt ramps were everywhere where I grew up as well. We always kept
some planks around as well to augment the dirt ramp.
----------------
Somewhere too I've seen plans for a homemade loader on the front of
a farm tractor. Seen some made without plans too. Never heard of any
of them not working.
------------------
That would have been an easy modification to the lift bucket on the front of
our tractor.
------------------
Low tech for loading a truck tho, you can't beat a dirt ramp, some
kind of a low bed mover, easy to load, then when it gets up to the
truck, easy to slide the load off. Low tech, low buck, works.
----------------
OK, I have to make this comment. It probably won't be implemented by
Morris, but I have seen it done.
I have known three different people who have built hovercraft. One guy
built his when he was 15 years old. It worked well and he ended up donating
it to a school. The other two guys were backyard inventor types. But they
made platforms that could lift some impressive weights. One ultimately was
used in a shop setting.
They just wheeled the stock onto the platform, fired up the hovercraft
engine, and the whole thing just floated a few inches above the floor. Then
the material was pushed to the new location. Shut down the engine, wheeled
the stock off, etc.
It was noisy but impressive. So Morris, how about it?? A dirt ramp and a
hovercraft would be an elegant solution. ;)
"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Almost forgot. My uncle used to use a homemade wheelbarrow type
> thing to move his milk cans. If you've ever messed with a large, full,
> milk can, you'll know they're heavy. This thing was very low, with
> sides. It'd hold 3-4 milk cans. When you lifted the handles, the
> bottom only cam an inch or two offf the ground. Made it quite easy to
> load a full can, and easy to unload. You wouldn't want to move it too
> far, but fr moving cans from the barn to te milk house, about 100 feet
> or so, it worked just fine.
>
> If you don't know what a milk house is, his was cement blocks,
> cement floor, with a large, electric powered, water filled, cooler.
> Lifting the milk cans in the cooler wasn't as bad as it dould be, becaus
> it was set down a bit. There the milk cooled until the next day when
> the dairy truck stopped by and picked the raw milk up. Everyhing was
> cleaned very well in their, daily. The milking machine and wall were
> cleaned with scalding water, every time used. I had an ucle in
> Tennessee that used a spring for his drinking water and cooling milk,
> butter, etc. Different places, different customs. But the one in
> Tennessee didn't sell milk, just produced enough for home use.
>
>
My grandfather did this with cream. He sold this to the "creamery". Back
in the day, many small farmers sold cream to a local co-op. They even hauled
it into the creamery each week. The milk that was left over was used to feed
the hogs.
This was back before the high butterfat milk that we get today due to
genetic manipulation of the cows and the grains, etc. fed to the modern day
dairy cow.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>
> >
> > Yep, dirt ramps were everywhere where I grew up as well. We always kept
> > some planks around as well to augment the dirt ramp.
>
> In my part of the country they were called "barn banks".
>
> Very original don't ya thunk?
>
> Lew
In Oz, we called 'em "Stock Ramps" and every farm with "Stock Yards had
one, Quite ifyen they were built from logs but covered with soil.
Regards
John
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> writes:
>Bob the Tomato wrote:
>
>| Morris, would it be possible to dig out a sunken truck ramp/dock?
>| That way, you are not lifting the load, you are lowering the truck
>| deck.
>
>I can see that I need to post a few photos of the /outside/ of my
>shop. It's in an aircraft hanger in the highest (ground) traffic area
>of a small town airport.
>
>If I built a dock or ramp (either sunken or raised) I'd be lynched
>posthaste by the other tenants /and/ by my landlord.
How about a simple platform, 8' x 8' (two sheets of 3/4" ply) on
a 2x8 frame with 2x6 joists (24" on center) supported by 4x6 posts
at truck bed level. Build up your pallet on the platform, rather
than on the ground, then just shift into truck.
scott
Morris, would it be possible to dig out a sunken truck ramp/dock?
That way, you are not lifting the load, you are lowering the truck
deck.
Bob the Tomato
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:00:55 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>"J T" wrote in message
>
> Now that you mention it, when I was a kid, I don't think I ever saw
>a farm without at least one dirt ramp for loading trucks. A lot of the
>barns were either built into theside of a hil or had a dirt ramp leading
>to an upper floor also. Just because its low tech doesn't mean it's a
>bad idea.
>----------------
>
>Yep, dirt ramps were everywhere where I grew up as well. We always kept
>some planks around as well to augment the dirt ramp.
>
>----------------
> Somewhere too I've seen plans for a homemade loader on the front of
>a farm tractor. Seen some made without plans too. Never heard of any
>of them not working.
>------------------
>
>That would have been an easy modification to the lift bucket on the front of
>our tractor.
>
>------------------
> Low tech for loading a truck tho, you can't beat a dirt ramp, some
>kind of a low bed mover, easy to load, then when it gets up to the
>truck, easy to slide the load off. Low tech, low buck, works.
>----------------
>
>OK, I have to make this comment. It probably won't be implemented by
>Morris, but I have seen it done.
>
>I have known three different people who have built hovercraft. One guy
>built his when he was 15 years old. It worked well and he ended up donating
>it to a school. The other two guys were backyard inventor types. But they
>made platforms that could lift some impressive weights. One ultimately was
>used in a shop setting.
>
>They just wheeled the stock onto the platform, fired up the hovercraft
>engine, and the whole thing just floated a few inches above the floor. Then
>the material was pushed to the new location. Shut down the engine, wheeled
>the stock off, etc.
>
>It was noisy but impressive. So Morris, how about it?? A dirt ramp and a
>hovercraft would be an elegant solution. ;)
>
>
Bob the Tomato wrote:
> Morris, would it be possible to dig out a sunken truck ramp/dock?
> That way, you are not lifting the load, you are lowering the truck
> deck.
There was a time when houses were built with a set of steps down into
the basement from the outside and covered with a door.
Known in my part of the world as "Cellar Steps".
Just had to be careful where you located them cuz a low spot was a
bitch to keep the water out of the basement.
Lew
Lew
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I followed all the links and looked at the pix - and also found an
> actual propane-fueled fork lift on E-Bay. It's over in Davenport and
> has been bid up to $380. My next door shop neighbor has an old Bendix
> that I may be able to buy for about $300, but both of these take up a
> bit more space than I'm ready to give up (yet).
Cheap enough for a forklift. The capacity is much more than most thing
you'd build from wood. There are some small trucks too but finding one
cheap is another story. Remember, getting that 300 pound pallet onto the
truck will require some reach and counterbalance
How about used equipment dealers? I've bought a couple of manual lifts for
a couple of hundred bucks. .
Once you get that forklift, you'll be amazed at how handy it can be. With a
platform it is good for high work if it is double or triple mast. .
"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
| Lew Hodgett wrote:
| > dpb wrote:
<respectuflly snipped>
| Altho another totally different tack, Morris -- instead of the tall lift
| to the semi at your place, what about the lower lift to you pick-em-up
| and then take it to the terminal?
I don't have a fork lift, so I pick up larger and heavier stuff at the
shipping terminals and use an overhead hoist to unload inside the shop from
the pickup or trailer. I am taking donations for a fork lift if anyone has
spare change. :-)
John Deere has pallet attachments for many of their tractor loaders?
Do you own a tractor with a loader? I made a hay mover for my loader.
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:33:02 -0500, "Morris Dovey" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
>250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let me
>set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying for
>lift gate services.
>
>I can't find anything on Google except wooden toys and commercial
>machinery. I started working on a plan last night, and it doesn't seem
>like it should be all that difficult to build - surely someone has
>already solved the problem...
>
>Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
What about a giant see-saw? You could put the pallet on a platform on
one end, then stack weights on the other end until it counterbalances
and raises the pallet to the truck deck height. Then wheel up to the
pallet with the driver's pallet jack and slide it into the truck.
Bob the Tomato
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:41:42 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I followed all the links and looked at the pix - and also found an
>> actual propane-fueled fork lift on E-Bay. It's over in Davenport and
>> has been bid up to $380. My next door shop neighbor has an old Bendix
>> that I may be able to buy for about $300, but both of these take up a
>> bit more space than I'm ready to give up (yet).
>
>Cheap enough for a forklift. The capacity is much more than most thing
>you'd build from wood. There are some small trucks too but finding one
>cheap is another story. Remember, getting that 300 pound pallet onto the
>truck will require some reach and counterbalance
>
>How about used equipment dealers? I've bought a couple of manual lifts for
>a couple of hundred bucks. .
>
>Once you get that forklift, you'll be amazed at how handy it can be. With a
>platform it is good for high work if it is double or triple mast. .
>
"Morris Dovey" wrote
> Bob the Tomato wrote:
> | What about a giant see-saw? You could put the pallet on a platform
> | on one end, then stack weights on the other end until it
> | counterbalances and raises the pallet to the truck deck height.
> | Then wheel up to the pallet with the driver's pallet jack and slide
> | it into the truck.
>
> Kind of like a trebuchet, except that it doesn't actually /throw/ the
> pallet? :-)
>
It is not a bad idea Morris. I did something like this in a home gym
installation many years ago. They wanted a machine to help out with the
chinning bar but there was no room for it. It would assist folks who lacked
the strength to do a chin.
In front of the chin bar was a piece of equipment that I drilled holes in. I
welded up a lever that could be taken out and stored along one wall. It had
a T one one end and a peg to hold weights on the other end. You piled some
weights on, stood on the T, and started to do assisted chins.
I am not sure how practical it would be for you. But if you could roll the
pallet out there, a movable fulcrum with a foldable lever would get the job
done. And it would fold back up out of the way. And the whole process
wouldn't take that long to set up, load, break down and put away.
If you put wheels on the fulcrum/base, you could roll the pallet right onto
the truck. You could also make the lever on your end long enough, that your
body weight would lift the pallet. Just put a knotted rope on it and pull it
down to the ground while the other end rises to truck height.
As for the trebuchet idea, I always wanted to build one.
Morris Dovey wrote:
> I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
> 250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let me
> set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying for
> lift gate services.
>
> I can't find anything on Google except wooden toys and commercial
> machinery. I started working on a plan last night, and it doesn't seem
> like it should be all that difficult to build - surely someone has
> already solved the problem...
>
> Has anyone done or seen anything like this?
>
Find a picture of a scissor table and copy it. Occasionally one can
find them on eBay for not too much.
A used pallet mover isn't all that expensive if you keep looking...
--
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Morris Dovey wrote:
> | I'm looking for a plan or photos of a device that'll let me lift a
> | 250-300# pallet from the floor, can be pushed outside, and will let
> | me set the pallet in a semi trailer. The object is to avoid paying
> | for lift gate services.
...
> Thanks, all, for your input. I think I'm going to try building
> something like the drawing posted to abpw.
Morris, one other note -- occasionally you can find forklift mast
assemblies at near giveaway prices. I found one for the grand sum of
$25 for the trouble of them loading it on the truck. Double-mast,
10k-lb w/ hydraulics but w/o the forks. I used it to build a freight
elevator to the barn loft.
If you can afford to watch and wait, such an item could be the basis for
the lift and you could deal w/ the pallet mover separately.
--
Morris Dovey wrote:
> Lew Hodgett wrote:
> | dpb wrote:
> | > Morris, one other note -- occasionally you can find forklift mast
> | > assemblies at near giveaway prices.
> |
> | There are outfits that just part out old fork lifts.
> |
> | Check with the local fork lift dealers.
> |
> | They will know how to find them.
> |
> | Lew
>
> I've found a couple of low-dollar forklifts. I figure there are a lot
> of the things around, and that they're all busily aging. In the short
> term, all I need to be able to do is hoist a 100-300 lb (maximum)
> shop-built pallet onto the back end of a semi trailer. The fork can
> will wait until I have a real need. There are other things I need to
> spend for first.
>
> I'll touch base with local used equipment dealers and see if I can
> find a fork lift "chop shop" in the area. I won't hurt to let people
> know that I'm interested...
That's the ticket...if you know a few of the local distributors they're
usually pretty good at "keeping an eye out" if they know what you're
looking for and what your budget is...
Are you able to pick these pallets up w/ a sling? If so, an overhead
rail w/ just a block and tackle or manual chain hoist is pretty cheap
(and more importantly, perhaps, quite simple to erect as opposed to
trying to cobble up a homebuilt lift or scissor table). I'd think it
well worth the investment to buy an inexpensive pallet mover, though.
Although another thought just comes to mind -- what about making the
pallets to have a removable axle/wheels -- a la the idea of the movable
saw/planer table? All it takes is a notch to hold the fixed end and a
hole for a handle and dolly on the other end--the turning end probably
only needs one wheel so you have a tripod arrangement...A lever under
the pallet lets you raise it to remove them when you're at the
destination. Most if not all drivers have a pallet mover onboard to get
stuff _to_ the tailgate so all you really need is to be able to wheel it
where you can lift it up, right?
--
--
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> dpb wrote:
>
> >
> > Are you able to pick these pallets up w/ a sling? If so, an overhead
> > rail w/ just a block and tackle or manual chain hoist is pretty cheap
> > (and more importantly, perhaps, quite simple to erect as opposed to
> > trying to cobble up a homebuilt lift or scissor table). I'd think it
> > well worth the investment to buy an inexpensive pallet mover, though.
>
> As mentioned, a trailer with a lift gate and a driver with a pallet
> mover and you are in business.
>
> After sending last post, the idea of a manual chain fall or an electric
> hoist hit me.
>
> Add an overhead rail and you are done.
>
> Certainly the lowest cost, fastest way to solve the problem, if the
> trucking company shows up not prepared.
If you read the beginning the whole point is to avoid the liftgate
charge they make if send truck w/ lift gate...since drivers are
obligated to get it to the rear of the truck (just not to the ground)
they almost always have the pallet truck for inside the truck...
Altho another totally different tack, Morris -- instead of the tall lift
to the semi at your place, what about the lower lift to you pick-em-up
and then take it to the terminal?
--
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> woodstuff wrote:
>
> > I don't have a fork lift, so I pick up larger and heavier stuff at the
> > shipping terminals and use an overhead hoist to unload inside the
> shop from
> > the pickup or trailer. I am taking donations for a fork lift if
> anyone has
> > spare change. :-)
>
> I wonder if lift gate charges have something to do with an area?
>
> Here in L/A, the only trailers that aren't equipped with a lift gate are
> containers on trailers out for delivery/pickup to a job site and
> containers being run back and forth from the docks to the rail yards.
>
> Everything I have delivered comes on a lift gate trailer and there is no
> notation of a lift gate surcharge on the invoice. Maybe it is hidden.
I expect that must be because of the large metro area -- most places
there's a pretty steep surcharge (like in the $100 range) for lift gate
service.
--
dpb wrote:
>
> Are you able to pick these pallets up w/ a sling? If so, an overhead
> rail w/ just a block and tackle or manual chain hoist is pretty cheap
> (and more importantly, perhaps, quite simple to erect as opposed to
> trying to cobble up a homebuilt lift or scissor table). I'd think it
> well worth the investment to buy an inexpensive pallet mover, though.
As mentioned, a trailer with a lift gate and a driver with a pallet
mover and you are in business.
After sending last post, the idea of a manual chain fall or an
electric hoist hit me.
Add an overhead rail and you are done.
Certainly the lowest cost, fastest way to solve the problem, if the
trucking company shows up not prepared.
Lew