Swingman wrote:
> Mine was Remington Model 11 20 ga (Browning Patent), which I still own
> after 50 years (IIRC, it was 40 years old when Dad bought it for me).
>
> Still an excellent dove/quail gun ... for those who like a challenge.
My dad's dream bird gun was a double barrel 20 ga with a modified and
full chokes.
Never got one, just didn't do enough bird hunting.
Lew
Tom Watson wrote:
| My first shotgun was an Ithaca SuperSingle.
|
| Had a lever on it like a Model 95 but it was only used to open the
| breech.
|
| Learning how to shoot with a single shot was how we all were raised.
I bought an already old Winchester .410 s/s for my kids to learn
with - and required that they take the firearms safety course before
they started hunting. At the end of the course, kids were invited to
bring a shotgun and five shells for a bit of post-graduation skeet
shooting.
Most of the kids showed up with their dad's 12 ga pump - and a some of
'em actually managed to hit a couple of pigeons.
When my oldest's name was called, he stepped out carrying his five
rounds and that old 410. There was a real buzz, a couple of guffaws,
and considerable snickering. He looked pretty serious and I could tell
he didn't feel very comfortable with what he was hearing.
Two or three minutes later, after stuffing the fifth spent shell in
his pocket, he turned around and grinned at the (now /very/ quiet)
spectators. He was five for five.
I'm still grinning.
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Absolutely on point, Lew.
Chipmunks were made for plinking.
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:03:17 GMT, Lew Hodgett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Swingman wrote:
>
> > "J T" wrote in message
> >
> >> One never knows when an enraged chipmunk will charge.
> >
> > For that I much prefer an M79 with buckshot round!
>
>As a junior member of the local NRA while in high school, had access
>to the target range which included an unused pasture field with lots
>of up rooted trees that had fallen over exposing the roots and thus
>providing a home for thousands of chipmunks.
>
>My buddy and I, equipped with a fresh box of 500, .22 cal, long rifle
>hollow points and iron sited rifles spent many a Sunday afternoon
>thinning out the chipmunk population.
>
>BTW, we were quite good at it.
>
>Still have that rifle although I don't know why.
>
>Haven't fired it in at least 40 years.
>
>
>Lew
>
>
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:43:02 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"J T" wrote in message
>
>> One never knows when an enraged chipmunk will charge.
>
>For that I much prefer an M79 with buckshot round!
I do detest the expending of gubment resources on inappropriate
targets.
If Y'all ain't a good enough shot to hit a chipmunk at fifty yards
(with the required delivery device and scoping) with ball ammo, I'd
advise you to join the Air Force.
The zoomies have a different ethic with the regard to accuracy.
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Tom Watson wrote:
> The reason that I still have one is that I have a ten year old boy who
> will eventually be a twelve year old boy, who will then learn the joys
> of working an iron sights 22.
>
> He's been shooting BB guns at paper for a couple of years.
>
> He can't wait to get to the point where the gun makes a bang and a
> smell.
Was recently going thru some of my mother's things and found the spent
.22 shell casing from the first rabbit I shot as a 10 year old boy
hunting with my dad.
Pop pointed him out sitting in a brush pile and handed me a single
cartridge (I carried an UNLOADED, single shot rifle) which I placed in
the chamber, cocked the hammer, squeezed off that round, then claimed
the prize.
Even learned how to dress out a rabbit that year.
As I remember, my rabbit tasted much better than those shot by my
father, at least it seemed that way to me.
Still have that single shot, it is for a young boy, quite small.
BTW, BB guns will kill water snakes if you hit them often enough.
DAMHIKT
Lew
Lew
Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 12:22am (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lew=A0Hodgett) doth sayeth:
<snip> BTW, BB guns will kill water snakes if you hit them often enough.
You probably weren't htting them n te wright place, head shots
should doit. Used to get one shot kills on sparrows wih a lever action
Red Ryder BB gun. It'd shot finishing nails, single shot, nicely too -
less accurate, ad les range, tho, but definitey better penetration.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
> Swingman wrote:
>
> > That little rifle was the instrument for the
> > untimely demise of many a squirrel, nutria, coon, and even my first
> buck.
>
> Now that was one lucky shot or a damn small buck'
That bucks head was a hellava lotter bigger than the squirrels I'd been
hunting for a year with that rifle.
I was nine, was deer hunting with grown ups for the first time, was put
purposely out of the way in a stand where you couldn't see further than 25
yards, was instructed not to shoot unless the deer was standing still and I
could get a clear head shot. I'm sure they thought I wouldn't see a deer,
much less get a shot.
When that buck walked under my tree I was shaking, _bad_, but all the
parameters were met ... bingo, the only one to get a buck on that trip.
On that same trip I won my first $10 bill from one of my Dad's friends by
hitting a beer can at 50 yards with an old Remington rolling block 45/70,
and the second on the very next shot ... after he too had said "lucky shot".
:)
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Lew:
My first shotgun was an Ithaca SuperSingle.
Had a lever on it like a Model 95 but it was only used to open the
breech.
Learning how to shoot with a single shot was how we all were raised.
Don't ask for the second cartridge if you didn't do good enough with
the first.
Do you remember the old Lee Loaders. Reloading shot shells one at a
time. I believe they sold for $9.95 a piece back in the fifties.
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:22:28 GMT, Lew Hodgett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Tom Watson wrote:
>
> > The reason that I still have one is that I have a ten year old boy who
> > will eventually be a twelve year old boy, who will then learn the joys
> > of working an iron sights 22.
> >
> > He's been shooting BB guns at paper for a couple of years.
> >
> > He can't wait to get to the point where the gun makes a bang and a
> > smell.
>
>
>Was recently going thru some of my mother's things and found the spent
>.22 shell casing from the first rabbit I shot as a 10 year old boy
>hunting with my dad.
>
>Pop pointed him out sitting in a brush pile and handed me a single
>cartridge (I carried an UNLOADED, single shot rifle) which I placed in
>the chamber, cocked the hammer, squeezed off that round, then claimed
>the prize.
>
>Even learned how to dress out a rabbit that year.
>
>As I remember, my rabbit tasted much better than those shot by my
>father, at least it seemed that way to me.
>
>Still have that single shot, it is for a young boy, quite small.
>
>BTW, BB guns will kill water snakes if you hit them often enough.
>
>DAMHIKT
>
>Lew
>
>
>
>Lew
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 8:47pm [email protected] (Tom=A0Watson) doth sayeth:
<snip> Do you remember the old Lee Loaders. Reloading shot shells one at
a time. I believe they sold for $9.95 a piece back in the fifties.
One of this type, eh? Still got one in .12 ga, in about as new
condition, circa mid '70s. Dunno if they still make 'em for shotgun
reloading or not, didn't check.
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1183084307.1865=3D/html=
/catalog/cleeloader.html
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
> Being a good coonass you can bet I'm good enough of a shot. It's just
> that I've subscribed to the "lead in the air, meat in the pot" theory
> since I was old enough (9) to hunt my grandfather's old damascus
twisted
> steel barrel 12 ga, the one with the steel forearm that dropped
down to
> load (weighed about a pound/gauge).
>
> ... it wasn't quite so long between meals that way.
My father grew up along the Ohio River in southern Indiana when times
were lean.
Don't know if it is true or not, but he told me that as a young boy,
he was given a single shot .22, and a single cartridge, and was told,
"Go git breakfast".
All that I can tell you is that at the age of 40, he could "bark" a
squirrel at the top of some pretty good sized trees.
THen his eyes changed, got glasses, and couldn't hit a bull in the ass
at 20 ft with a shot gun.
His pool playing went to hell also, I could finally beat him.
Lew
Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 5:43pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Swingman) dotrh
sayeth:
For that I much prefer an M79 with buckshot round!
Where's your sporting instinct? Besides, where you gonna get a
legal M79? I"d go with a pump 12 ga and slugs instead. Or, if you want
to go for biger game -
http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
"Tom Watson" wrote in message
> My first shotgun was an Ithaca SuperSingle.
Mine was Remington Model 11 20 ga (Browning Patent), which I still own after
50 years (IIRC, it was 40 years old when Dad bought it for me).
Still an excellent dove/quail gun ... for those who like a challenge.
Next was a J.C. Higgins 16 ga pump, which I traded for a guitar in HS (the
beginning of a long slippery slope).
Followed by a Browning A5, 12 ga which I also still have.
Then a Browning O/U, 12 ga Mag, which I plumb wore out in 15 years of
hunting white wings in Mexico (a record 286 doves in one afternoon ...
counting the inevitable misses, that's helluva lot of shells, which wasn't
unusual back in those days).
I no longer hunt at all ... had my fill of the killing part, but not the
eating part (had to keep my registered coonass status)
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Swingman wrote:
> "J T" wrote in message
>
>> One never knows when an enraged chipmunk will charge.
>
> For that I much prefer an M79 with buckshot round!
As a junior member of the local NRA while in high school, had access
to the target range which included an unused pasture field with lots
of up rooted trees that had fallen over exposing the roots and thus
providing a home for thousands of chipmunks.
My buddy and I, equipped with a fresh box of 500, .22 cal, long rifle
hollow points and iron sited rifles spent many a Sunday afternoon
thinning out the chipmunk population.
BTW, we were quite good at it.
Still have that rifle although I don't know why.
Haven't fired it in at least 40 years.
Lew
Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 11:03pm (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lew=A0Hodgett)
doth sayeth:
<snip> My buddy and I, equipped with a fresh box of 500, .22 cal, long
rifle hollow points and iron sited rifles spent many a Sunday afternoon
thinning out the chipmunk population. <snip>
Technically, 500 rounds of .22 ammo, packed like that, ten 50 round
boxes, in a larger box, is called a brick.
Uwed to piss a buddy off immensly. He'd shoot a scoped .22 rifle
at soda cans out abot 100 yrds, and I'd shoot a High Standard Victor,
22 target pistol, iron sights, and beat him every time. That pistol
was later stolen, sigh, and never recovered. Sure it was a neighborhood
kid, but never able to prove it.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Swing:
I envy you being able to shoot a true Damascus bbl.
I don't think I'd have the stones to run a high brass shell through
such a contraption.
Beautiful pieces of work, though.
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 19:18:34 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Tom Watson" wrote in message
>
>>>"J T" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> One never knows when an enraged chipmunk will charge.
>>>
>>>For that I much prefer an M79 with buckshot round!
>>
>>
>> I do detest the expending of gubment resources on inappropriate
>> targets.
>
>Yabbut, that chipmonk was probably "enraged" 'cuz he saw the latest gubment
>budget ... you can't be too careful in that case.
>
>> If Y'all ain't a good enough shot to hit a chipmunk at fifty yards
>> (with the required delivery device and scoping) with ball ammo, I'd
>> advise you to join the Air Force.
>
>Being a good coonass you can bet I'm good enough of a shot. It's just that
>I've subscribed to the "lead in the air, meat in the pot" theory since I was
>old enough (9) to hunt my grandfather's old damascus twisted steel barrel 12
>ga, the one with the steel forearm that dropped down to load (weighed about
>a pound/gauge).
>
> ... it wasn't quite so long between meals that way.
>
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>KarlC@ (the obvious)
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 8:41pm [email protected] (Tom=A0Watson) doth sayeth:
I envy you being able to shoot a true Damascus bbl.
I don't think I'd have the stones to run a high brass shell through such
a contraption.
Beautiful pieces of work, though.
All the Turkish farmers the Rod & Gun Club as beaters for wild boar
hunts while I was there all seemed to have one. A few of them probably
reloaded, but every gun shop I was in sold boxes of new black power
ammo, I would say because of the large amount of old shotguns still in
use. Saw one that a farmer had accepted a smokelless round from one of
the club mebers - he a hole about 1/2" by 2" blown out of one barrel
just ahead of the chamber. And NONE of the oones I saw over there could
be considered beautiful pieces of work, even though they were certainly
suitable for use with black-power rounds..It woul have been way to
expesive for a farmer to replace on, unless absolutely necessary, so
they were well taken care of as a rule - at least the ones I saw were.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
"Tom Watson" wrote in message
>>"J T" wrote in message
>>
>>> One never knows when an enraged chipmunk will charge.
>>
>>For that I much prefer an M79 with buckshot round!
>
>
> I do detest the expending of gubment resources on inappropriate
> targets.
Yabbut, that chipmonk was probably "enraged" 'cuz he saw the latest gubment
budget ... you can't be too careful in that case.
> If Y'all ain't a good enough shot to hit a chipmunk at fifty yards
> (with the required delivery device and scoping) with ball ammo, I'd
> advise you to join the Air Force.
Being a good coonass you can bet I'm good enough of a shot. It's just that
I've subscribed to the "lead in the air, meat in the pot" theory since I was
old enough (9) to hunt my grandfather's old damascus twisted steel barrel 12
ga, the one with the steel forearm that dropped down to load (weighed about
a pound/gauge).
... it wasn't quite so long between meals that way.
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:03:17 GMT, Lew Hodgett
<[email protected]> wrote:
The reason that I still have one is that I have a ten year old boy who
will eventually be a twelve year old boy, who will then learn the joys
of working an iron sights 22.
He's been shooting BB guns at paper for a couple of years.
He can't wait to get to the point where the gun makes a bang and a
smell.
>
>Still have that rifle although I don't know why.
>
>Haven't fired it in at least 40 years.
>
>
>Lew
>
>
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 7:24pm [email protected] (Tom=A0Watson) doth sayeth:
The reason that I still have one is that I have a ten year old boy who
will eventually be a twelve year old boy, who will then learn the joys
of working an iron sights 22.
He's been shooting BB guns at paper for a couple of years.
He can't wait to get to the point where the gun makes a bang and a
smell.
If you want an in-between piece, get one of those inexpensive
Chinese army style single shot air rifles, with the under barre cockin
lever.
I piecked up one years back, for about $28. Amazingly well made,
and astonished me with the power. I doesn't just bounce off th side of
a 55 gallon drum, it punches in and sticks. As soon as I can figure out
exactly howI want to pt a ceekrest on it, I'll scope it. Definitely NOT
a toy. The only bad thing about it, it's a .177 and with my stubby
fingers it's not easy for me to chamber a pellet on the first try -but I
think I've figured ut how to make a pellet chambering thingie, no prob.. =
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Tom Watson wrote:
> Do you remember the old Lee Loaders. Reloading shot shells one at a
> time. I believe they sold for $9.95 a piece back in the fifties.
Sorry.
My first shotgun was a off brand, single shot 12 gauge with a 40"
barrel, choked to the point a dime would not fit thru.
At 40 yards, it would pattern every shot inside a 30" circle.
Strictly a duck gun.
Bought it used in the early 50's, from my father's lodge brother, for $10.
Still remember the guy telling me, "When you get around to selling it,
you'll get your $10 back".
I Guess.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
> Still have that single shot, it is for a young boy, quite small.
My first, at the age of nine (times have changed), was a Winchester Model 69
bolt action .22. That little rifle was the instrument for the untimely
demise of many a squirrel, nutria, coon, and even my first buck.
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Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 9:44pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Swingman) doth
sayeth:
My first, at the age of nine (times have changed), was a Winchester
Model 69 bolt action .22. <snip>
Changed indeed. Mine was at age 11 (I think I have a few years on
you), one of tose Savage over and unders, .22 on top, .410 on the
bottom, selecter button on te side rater than on the hammer. Used, of
course, for the not so insignificant sum at the time, of $15. Never
could hit a damn thing flying with the .410, damn thing was full choke.
The .22 on the oher hand, was stiffened by the shotgun barrel, and was
dead on, used that for squirrels rather than the .410 - never did belive
in shotguns for squirrel hunting. Song gone, and not really missed; got
a nice single shot, bolt action, rifle awhile back and mode mods to suit
me. Got me a nice 12 ga pump, with a 19" barrel, too - always did like
stand alone equipment. LOL
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
"J T" wrote in message
>Changed indeed. Mine was at age 11 (I think I have a few years on
>you),
(64) If you do, my sympathies ...
> Got me a nice 12 ga pump, with a 19" barrel, too - always did like
> stand alone equipment. LOL
IOW, no need to aim, just face in the direction of perceived danger ...
basically why, in RVN, I shitcanned the M16 & .45 TOE issues and
commandeered an M-79 and a boatload of buckshot rounds.
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KarlC@ (the obvious)
Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 12:10pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Swingman) did poseth:
(64) If you do, my sympathies ...
IOW, no need to aim, just face in the direction of perceived danger ...
basically why, in RVN, I shitcanned the M16 & .45 TOE issues and
commandeered an M-79 and a boatload of buckshot rounds.
67 next December.
If I recall right, I got in-country just in time for TET '67. I
was fortunate enough to be issued an M-14; love those things; shot
expert, every time. On the other hand, never saw an M-16 I sould sight
in, period - POS. Plus my non-issue .45, another love. Road trips,
especially at night, were much more relaxing with my non-issue M-79, and
2 or 3 bandoleers of buckshot rounds along. Before I left country I was
trying to convince my room-mate to get ahold of a M-60 for me. LOL
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Swingman wrote:
| "J T" wrote in message
|
|| trying to convince my room-mate to get ahold of a M-60 for me. LOL
|
| Hehe, know the feeling ... along with the M79, I "misappropriated"
| a 60mm mortar (strictly to use for illumination rounds - _hated_
| those night attacks), and four (count 'em, 4) 50 cal machine guns,
| none in our TOE, but combined a great comfort on a dark night when
| you literally couldn't see your hand in front of your face.
In different contexts I liked the M-1, hated the M-14, liked my
'greasegun' (but not the .45 sidearm), and liked the M-16 (well enough
to buy a Sporter-1 with a Bushnell 3-9X scope when I got out).
I like the /idea/ of quad-50's, but doubt that I'd much have much
enjoyed jumping with one :-)
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DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 3:03pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris=A0Dovey) doth
sayeth:
In different contexts I liked the M-1, hated the M-14, liked my
'greasegun' (but not the .45 sidearm), and liked the M-16 (well enough
to buy a Sporter-1 with a Bushnell 3-9X scope when I got out).
I like the /idea/ of quad-50's, but doubt that I'd much have much
enjoyed jumping with one :-)
I liked the M-1, but loved the M-14. For one thing the M-14 doesn't
go SPROING when it's empty. Had a M-2 carbine fo awhile. Damn thing
would jam about the third round, every time, on full-auto. But on
semi-auto it was as dependable as yu could want. Took out te selector
switch after a bit. Used to carry a bag full of 30 round magazines
taped in 3s.
Knew of a guy in Ohio, I believe it was, think he's deceased now.
Had a quad .50 mounted in the back of a truck. I think the only place
he fired it was at Knob Creek. I am not envious of too many people and
what they own, but in that case I have to admit I was just a little bit
envious.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Tom Watson wrote:
> I like a 1903-A3 Springfield.
Still remember my first experience with that beast.
Had just turned 16, and went to the local NRA outdoor range one day.
Found some members shooting outdated armor piercing ammo, provided by
the gov't, at targets about 200 yds out, just to get rid of it.
They offered to let me shoot.
Took a sight, squeezed off a round, and the kickback skinned the hell
out of my nose.
Never made that mistake again.
Lew
Tue, Jul 3, 2007, 12:30am (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lew=A0Hodgett) doth sayeth:
<snip> Took a sight, squeezed off a round, and the kickback skinned the
hell out of my nose. <snip>
Hehehe I knew enough that never happened to me. No M-1 thumb
either.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
I like a 1903-A3 Springfield.
If you know what you are about, you can do a lot of damage with it.
I own two.
I like them both.
They are both very accurate.
I also like my Colt 1911.
I do not like plastic pistols, like the Shlocks.
1911's are notoriously inaccurate - unless you own one and know how to
hold them.
Mine is not worked - it is stock.
I still shoot good groups at fifty.
On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 00:19:27 -0400, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 3:03pm (EDT-1) [email protected] (Morris Dovey) doth
>sayeth:
>In different contexts I liked the M-1, hated the M-14, liked my
>'greasegun' (but not the .45 sidearm), and liked the M-16 (well enough
>to buy a Sporter-1 with a Bushnell 3-9X scope when I got out).
>I like the /idea/ of quad-50's, but doubt that I'd much have much
>enjoyed jumping with one :-)
>
> I liked the M-1, but loved the M-14. For one thing the M-14 doesn't
>go SPROING when it's empty. Had a M-2 carbine fo awhile. Damn thing
>would jam about the third round, every time, on full-auto. But on
>semi-auto it was as dependable as yu could want. Took out te selector
>switch after a bit. Used to carry a bag full of 30 round magazines
>taped in 3s.
>
> Knew of a guy in Ohio, I believe it was, think he's deceased now.
>Had a quad .50 mounted in the back of a truck. I think the only place
>he fired it was at Knob Creek. I am not envious of too many people and
>what they own, but in that case I have to admit I was just a little bit
>envious.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>If a man does his best, what else is there?
>- General George S. Patton
Regards,
Tom Watson
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http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Mon, Jul 2, 2007, 7:30pm [email protected] (Tom=A0Watson) doth sayeth:
I like a 1903-A3 Springfield. <snip>
I also like my Colt 1911. <snip>
I still shoot good groups at fifty.
Ah yes, got gifted one (mail order) when I was 13. Cost a whole
$35. Beautiful condition, I could pop beer cans off-hand at 100 yards
no prob. Then when I was in the Army my old man "improved" it by filing
the sight notch deeper, because he was shooting it high. Pissed me off.
Finally had to get rid of it because I was really hurting for cash while
raising my two sons on my own.
Had various .45s at different times, but the last two were a
Argentina Colt, mint condition, and a 1911. Got rid of them for te same
reason as my Springfield.
The only plastic pistols I've shot were water pistos. Most of them
worked out very well. I make do with a Ruger wonder nine. Works
nicely, at the range for my CCH had about 7 rounds thru the 8, 9, and 10
rings. I attribute those to single action the first shots. The rest
punched a fist sized hole thru the X ring. It kinda makes up for not
being a .45 with its 15 round magazies.
At fifty what?
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
Swingman wrote:
| "Morris Dovey" wrote in message
|
|| liked my 'greasegun' (but not the .45 sidearm),
|
| M3? ... never messed with it, although there were a few "base camp
| commando's" who carried it in RVN. Like having a fully automatic
| .45 caliber pistol, IIRC.
A little better than that, but not by much. It was strictly a close
quarters weapon, but hard to beat when you were way too close to way
too many unfriendly people - the normal environment for my MOS. I was
glad to have it, but expected that if I ever needed to use it the best
I could hope for would be proper escort across the rainbow bridge.
| I would love to have brought my service .45 back with me like my
| WWII veteran Dad managed to do. He still has his. Not very
| accurate, but would have served well in some of the streets around
| this urban cess pool today. :)
The one time I thought a handgun would be of any use I went off-post
and bought an old (serial number < 450) Walther P-38. I still have it.
For that job all I needed to do was encourage a relatively small
number of unfriendly folk to keep their heads down until I was on the
ground.
| How's the woodworking going ... doesn't seem to be much happening
| around here in that vein lately?
Well, the stuff I'm working on falls mostly into the "same old - same
old" catagory. In off hours I've been trying to nail down the final
details of my fork lift and (this weekend only) develop a gambrel roof
design for a friend. Not very inspiring stuff.
I did dig out a small (very small) single-shot crossbow pistol that my
dad made (out of mostly cherry and oak) when he was about 16. I'd
pretty much forgotten about it until this thread popped up.
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
"J T" wrote in message
> trying to convince my room-mate to get ahold of a M-60 for me. LOL
Hehe, know the feeling ... along with the M79, I "misappropriated" a 60mm
mortar (strictly to use for illumination rounds - _hated_ those night
attacks), and four (count 'em, 4) 50 cal machine guns, none in our TOE, but
combined a great comfort on a dark night when you literally couldn't see
your hand in front of your face.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 1:55pm (EDT-1) From: [email protected] (Swingman)
"J T" wrote in message
trying to convince my room-mate to get ahold of a M-60 for me. LOL
Hehe, know the feeling ... along with the M79, I "misappropriated" a
60mm mortar (strictly to use for illumination rounds - _hated_ those
night attacks), and four (count 'em, 4) 50 cal machine guns, none in our
TOE, but combined a great comfort on a dark night when you literally
couldn't see your hand in front of your face.
Nah, obviously someone misplaced them, and you were only
safe-guarding them until te rigtful owner(s) showed up.
On occassion a Teddy Bear just doesn't quite provide all the comfort
needd for a secure night's sleep.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton
"Morris Dovey" wrote in message
>
> In different contexts I liked the M-1,
Two years "training" with one in the Corps at Texas A&M in the early 60's
(and in one summer training camp actually firing the damn thing) ...
"reliability" personified. Could probably still field strip one,
blindfolded. :)
> hated the M-14,
The weapon during my Basic/AIT/OCS days ... at least it was accurate, as I
manged to fire "Expert" with it every required qualification, although one
blew up on the rifle range right next to me in Basic, blinding, for life,
the young recruit who was firing it.
> liked my 'greasegun' (but not the .45 sidearm),
M3? ... never messed with it, although there were a few "base camp
commando's" who carried it in RVN. Like having a fully automatic .45 caliber
pistol, IIRC.
I would love to have brought my service .45 back with me like my WWII
veteran Dad managed to do. He still has his. Not very accurate, but would
have served well in some of the streets around this urban cess pool today.
:)
> and liked the M-16 (well enough
> to buy a Sporter-1 with a Bushnell 3-9X scope when I got out).
Threw it away immediately I was assigned to an ARVN Ranger Battalion and
"acquisitioned" the aforementioned M79, which I carried for the next 13
months; light, fit under your arm pointing which every way you were looking,
and would cut a small tree down, and there was not much need for a rifle
when you can't see 50'.
> I like the /idea/ of quad-50's, but doubt that I'd much have much
> enjoyed jumping with one :-)
Neither would I ... but just the sound of them working out _almost_ made you
feel warm/safe inside. :)
How's the woodworking going ... doesn't seem to be much happening around
here in that vein lately?
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Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Morris Dovey wrote:
> A little better than that, but not by much. It was strictly a close
> quarters weapon, but hard to beat when you were way too close to way
> too many unfriendly people - the normal environment for my MOS. I was
> glad to have it, but expected that if I ever needed to use it the best
> I could hope for would be proper escort across the rainbow bridge.
The standard by which all other close quarter weapons should be judged
is a sawed of double barrel 10ga loaded with double 00 buckshot, IMHO.
You only get two shots, but what a harvest.
Remember the old TV western from the 60s'?
Lew
Sun, Jul 1, 2007, 4:15am (EDT+4) [email protected]
(Lew=A0Hodgett) doth sayeth:
The standard by which all other close quarter weapons should be judged
is a sawed of double barrel 10ga loaded with double 00 buckshot, IMHO.
You only get two shots, but what a harvest.
Remember the old TV western from the 60s'?
The Brits, fighting Communists in Malayasia, years back, came to
the conclusion that a .12 ga, with # 4 buck, was preferred for close
range. Denser pattern among other things. I'll go along with them.
Against people that is, for lions I believe the choice is still 00 buck.
MY personal choice for lions is an air rifle, and staying out of
countries where they have lions running around wild.
JOAT
If a man does his best, what else is there?
- General George S. Patton