mark wrote:
> I was refering to verticle panel raising bits in a router table as opposed
> to horizontal panel raising bits in a router table.
>
> verticle
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30115&cat=1,46168,46178&ap=1
>
> horizontal
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30136&cat=1,46168,46178&ap=1
>
>
An alternative is to use the verticle panel raising bit in a horizontal
router
table like the one near the bottom of this page:
http://christophermerrill.net/ww/shop/SimpleRouterTable.html
--
FF
"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
doing
> it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
> solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
horizontally?
> I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
>
>
Plenty of panels are raised on router tables. Slow your router down for the
big cutters. Obviously, with a router you can achieve more than just a
simple 15 degree bevel. Often, that's desirable. Style and rail mating is
easier as well, since the cutters provide proper contours, and actually a
better amount of glue surface - though I'm not sure how much real value that
is. Certainly more is better, but like everything else there is a point of
diminishing returns. Doweled or M/T joinery offer plenty of strength and
stability for the intended purpose. Likewise with the safety aspect.
Properly used, how much more unsafe is a router than a table saw? Lots of
noise from time to time about "3 in whirling cutters", but beyond the
rhetorical value of such statements, the router has an admirable record of
providing safe and efficient woodworking.
Don't know if I really answered your questions...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was refering to verticle panel raising bits in a router table as opposed
> to horizontal panel raising bits in a router table.
>
> verticle
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30115&cat=1,46168,46178&ap=1
>
> horizontal
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30136&cat=1,46168,46178&ap=1
>
>
For 1 1/2 wide areas, you could use vertical, though I find referencing to
a broader table versus the fence easier. I use my jointer hold downs to
both reference and feed that way instead of featherboards or pressure
rollers to reference that I still have to feed around.
Now if you're going for wider detail on the edges, you have to go
horizontal.
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:05:28 GMT, "mark" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than doing
>it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
>solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them horizontally?
>I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
>
Either way works. I prefer moving the panels horizontally over the
bit as I find it easier than the vertical method. Whatever way you
choose, make at least two passes for a cleaner cut. A good DC will
help move the chips for a better cut. For safety, think about
guards, featherboards, push blocks, good lighting, clean floor,
ear/eye protection and a clear-thinking brain.
I was refering to verticle panel raising bits in a router table as opposed
to horizontal panel raising bits in a router table.
verticle
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30115&cat=1,46168,46178&ap=1
horizontal
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=30136&cat=1,46168,46178&ap=1
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
> doing
> > it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a
good
> > solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
> horizontally?
> > I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
> >
> >
>
> Plenty of panels are raised on router tables. Slow your router down for
the
> big cutters. Obviously, with a router you can achieve more than just a
> simple 15 degree bevel. Often, that's desirable. Style and rail mating
is
> easier as well, since the cutters provide proper contours, and actually a
> better amount of glue surface - though I'm not sure how much real value
that
> is. Certainly more is better, but like everything else there is a point
of
> diminishing returns. Doweled or M/T joinery offer plenty of strength and
> stability for the intended purpose. Likewise with the safety aspect.
> Properly used, how much more unsafe is a router than a table saw? Lots of
> noise from time to time about "3 in whirling cutters", but beyond the
> rhetorical value of such statements, the router has an admirable record of
> providing safe and efficient woodworking.
>
> Don't know if I really answered your questions...
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
>
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:55:32 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
>> doing
>> it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
>> solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
>> horizontally?
>> I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
>
>If you are spinning 3" bits a larger router is desirable. Actually it is
>easier to make curved cuts when using a horizontal bit vs. a vertical bit.
>
Also, use a router that can run less than 22,000 rpm.
The recomended speed for a 3" bit is 12,000 rpms which should be the lowest
speed setting on most 21/4 hp routers.
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:55:32 GMT, "Leon"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
> >> doing
> >> it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a
good
> >> solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
> >> horizontally?
> >> I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
> >
> >If you are spinning 3" bits a larger router is desirable. Actually it is
> >easier to make curved cuts when using a horizontal bit vs. a vertical
bit.
> >
>
> Also, use a router that can run less than 22,000 rpm.
"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
> doing
> it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
> solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
> horizontally?
> I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
If you are spinning 3" bits a larger router is desirable. Actually it is
easier to make curved cuts when using a horizontal bit vs. a vertical bit.
A less expensive alternative to a shaper might be to use a vertical
router panel-raising bit horizontally; i.e., with a horizontally mounted
router. Your Bosch would have more than enough power in that mode.
Chuck
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, "mark" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than doing
>
>>it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
>>solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them horizontally?
>>I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
>
>
> One big point in favor of doing them horizontally is that it's obviously
> easier to hold the panel down flat against a large table than to hold it
> perfectly vertical against a relatively tiny fence. I'd think that, at a
> minimum, you'd want to make an auxilliary fence a good six inches tall if
> you're going to do them vertically.
>
> Sounds to me like a good excuse to buy a shaper...
>
Perfect project for the radial arm saw!
"mark" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
> doing
> it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
> solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
> horizontally?
> I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "mark" <[email protected]> wrote:
>From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than doing
>it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
>solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them horizontally?
>I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
One big point in favor of doing them horizontally is that it's obviously
easier to hold the panel down flat against a large table than to hold it
perfectly vertical against a relatively tiny fence. I'd think that, at a
minimum, you'd want to make an auxilliary fence a good six inches tall if
you're going to do them vertically.
Sounds to me like a good excuse to buy a shaper...
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
Maybe make a jig thingy that slides on the table and has a high vertical to
clamp to. Bract to the outside with a couple of 90s and it would be rigid.
I'm sure it's in the books. No need to use the groove, just keep pressure
against the fence. Love my shaper and 5 1/2" cutter, but I'd do this
otherwise.
Wilson
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "mark"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>From what I understand verticle panel raising is easier and safer than
>>doing
>>it with a large 3+" horizontal panel raising bit. Other than making a good
>>solid tall fence is there any reason to re-consider doing them
>>horizontally?
>>I have a 2 1/4" bosch router and a table for it.
>
> One big point in favor of doing them horizontally is that it's obviously
> easier to hold the panel down flat against a large table than to hold it
> perfectly vertical against a relatively tiny fence. I'd think that, at a
> minimum, you'd want to make an auxilliary fence a good six inches tall if
> you're going to do them vertically.
>
> Sounds to me like a good excuse to buy a shaper...
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
>
> It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.
On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:19:38 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Lots of
>noise from time to time about "3 in whirling cutters", but beyond the
>rhetorical value of such statements, the router has an admirable record of
>providing safe and efficient woodworking.
>
I once had a woodworking store salesman tell me that if a 3" bit's
shaft was turning 15,000 RPM, the edge was turning 40,000 RPM. A
planetary geared bit, I guess?
I agree. If treated with the same respect as a table saw, a router
table (or shaper) can be perfectly safe, regardless of the size of the
bit.
Barry
As apposed to ten inch whirling cutters (tablesaw).
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Lots of
> noise from time to time about "3 in whirling cutters", >