Leon wrote:
> On 2/27/2012 3:27 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Mike Marlow<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>>> Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify
>>>> rebuilding, which is a shame.
>>>
>>> you definitely looked in the wrong places Ed. Generally around $35 for a
>>> good rebuild.
>>
>> Yep, that's pretty much what I found. And here's
>> a replacement for $31, including shipping:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-1500AH-Replacement-battery-Titan/dp/B0023S8F9U
>>
>> Any chance the rebuild is significantly better than the replacement?
>>
>
> Rebuilds tend to be "fresh" they have not been setting on the shelf
> waiting for your to buy them and they typically have significantly
> higher amperage ratings.
My experience has not been "typical". I used Batteries Plus to
rebuild a couple of DeWalt batteries and another machine with built-in
batteries. They did not last nearly as long as the new batteries did
and did not hold a charge as long.
--
Gerald Ross
If an experiment works, you must be
using the wrong equipment.
>>> Yep, that's pretty much what I found. And here's
>>> a replacement for $31, including shipping:
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-1500AH-Replacement-battery-Titan/dp/B0023S8F9U
>>>
>>> Any chance the rebuild is significantly better than the replacement?
Seems like the ones from www.primecell.com are.
NIMH -Maximum capacity packs: NiMh batteries are usually available in
two battery sizes. Small packs were 1.5 AH and large battery packs
were 2.2 AH to 2.6 AH We rebuild the small case with 2.1 AH and the
larger packs are improved to 3.3 AH. Either rebuild usually adds 50%
more run time.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:55:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>If your batteries die, get a good rebuild and have better than new in
>most cases.
What I'd like to see is someone rebuilding the older batteries with
the newer and lighter Li-ion technology.
Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> If your batteries die, get a good rebuild and have better than new in
>> most cases.
>
> I looked into doing that for my DeWalt a few months ago -- the
> rebuilds were as expensive as new. Even the rebuild *kits* were was
> expensive as new.
>
> Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify
> rebuilding, which is a shame.
you definitely looked in the wrong places Ed. Generally around $35 for a
good rebuild.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 20:49:35 -0500, Gerald Ross <[email protected]>
>My experience has not been "typical". I used Batteries Plus to
>rebuild a couple of DeWalt batteries and another machine with built-in
>batteries. They did not last nearly as long as the new batteries did
>and did not hold a charge as long.
Unfortunately, I had a similar experience when I had my Milwaukee
drill batteries rebuilt. But, this was at least ten years ago, so the
rebuilding technology and type of batteries being rebuild these days
might have improved.
On 2/27/2012 3:27 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Mike Marlow<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify
>>> rebuilding, which is a shame.
>>
>> you definitely looked in the wrong places Ed. Generally around $35 for a
>> good rebuild.
>
> Yep, that's pretty much what I found. And here's
> a replacement for $31, including shipping:
> http://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-1500AH-Replacement-battery-Titan/dp/B0023S8F9U
>
> Any chance the rebuild is significantly better than the replacement?
>
+1. At the green battery shop. Whazit'sname?
That may be true of festool. I doubt they use a stupid charge technology.
I have computerized chargers for my lithium and lipo batteries, the
lithium ion and lithium poly invalidated my old computerized chargers
used for nicad, and nimh.
What festool probably has is a computer chip that senses voltage and is
working off that for charge, for nicad and nimh it is probably either
shutting off based on a curve, when the battery starts taking less amperage.
For lithium ion and poly it probably uses a different set of criteria.
Not like your Rigid, Dewalt, Bosch, Makita, Milwakee, or Royobi... Which
probably don't have the sophistication built into the charger.
BTW the more advanced lithium batteries prevent you from deep discharge.
The lesser batteries don't.
Temperature is not a great way to stop charging. It's the cheapest, and
most destructive.
On 2/26/2012 5:33 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/26/2012 1:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Can't be done.
>>
>> The lithium generally use different prongs, so the charger knows what it
>> is charging. Lithium can not be charged the same as nicad or nimh.
>> Also the cell voltage is different.
>
> Yeah, that is incorrect. AAMOF you can plug any Festool battery that
> will fit into a current Festool Charger regaudless of chemical makeup or
> voltage.
>
> http://www.festoolusa.com/products/cordless-drills/batteries-and-chargers/battery-charger-trc-3-495227.html
>
>
>>
>> You'll never see an old nicad/nimh holding lithium.
>
> This link leads to batteries with same cases and diferent chemical make
> up batteries that will all fit the same tool and charger.
>
>
> http://www.festoolusa.com/accessories/cordless-drills/batteries-and-chargers.html
>
On 2/26/2012 1:10 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson"<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>> other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>> and vice-versa.
>
> Better yet, get all mfgrs to standardize the battery pack interface.
>
They already do... on the inside anyway.
The manufacturers of power tools are unlikely to manufacture batteries
as well. Those are bought from the battery makers.
The battery case is just a hollow container there to allow the batteries
to be removable. That's a much better setup than batteries
wired-in.
I've had my Ryobi 9 and 12 volt drill batteries rebuilt - using Nimh
cells. I _think_ they were originally NiCad. Nice increase in run-time
as a result.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:11:21 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:10:26 -0800, Larry Jaques
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>>>other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>>>and vice-versa.
>>
>>Better yet, get all mfgrs to standardize the battery pack interface.
>
>
>There is a plan to do just that. The tool manufacturers have agreed
>to use a universal battery pack staring the day after printer
>manufacturers standardize on ink cartridges. They all agreed they
>now make too much profit from selling replacement packs so they are
>petitioning the government for $10 billion funding for the design work
>and charger replacements Obama calls is the Cash for Chargers
>program. Trade in your old style charger and buy a new one with two
>battery packs and you get a coupon for a free Chevy Volt.
What a fantastic plan! I'd happily trade in an old style charger (my
Ryobi 14.4 and two dead batts) for an EV. Oh, wait, you said Chebby?
Uh, wull, OK, even then.
I'll bet I could trade it for 1.5 Festools.
--
Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before
which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air.
-- John Quincy Adams
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson" <[email protected]>
>I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>and vice-versa.
There's probably too many infringement problems for that to happen.
In article <[email protected]>,
Richard <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/26/2012 1:10 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson"<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>>> other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>>> and vice-versa.
>>
>> Better yet, get all mfgrs to standardize the battery pack interface.
>>
>
>
>They already do... on the inside anyway.
>The manufacturers of power tools are unlikely to manufacture batteries
>as well. Those are bought from the battery makers.
>
>The battery case is just a hollow container there to allow the batteries
>to be removable. That's a much better setup than batteries
The smart chargers most manufacturers use today depend on heat sensors
built into their battery packs to determine optimum charging times. That's
one of the reasons the cheap tools, like HF, all have low-amp chargers that
must be manually disconnected after a time, or risk frying either the
battery or charger. If you wanted to use a plain charger with no logic
control, and take responsibility for correct charging cycle time and
polarity yourself, you could always get a power wart of adequate voltage
and current capacity and attach a set of alligator clips. Doubtful you
would get the same battery life as the dedicated charger provides though.
--
Often wrong, never in doubt.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
In article <[email protected]>,
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>If your batteries die, get a good rebuild and have better than new in
>most cases.
I looked into doing that for my DeWalt a few months ago -- the rebuilds
were as expensive as new. Even the rebuild *kits* were was expensive as
new.
Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify rebuilding,
which is a shame.
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify
>> rebuilding, which is a shame.
>
>you definitely looked in the wrong places Ed. Generally around $35 for a
>good rebuild.
Yep, that's pretty much what I found. And here's
a replacement for $31, including shipping:
http://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-1500AH-Replacement-battery-Titan/dp/B0023S8F9U
Any chance the rebuild is significantly better than the replacement?
--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>and vice-versa.
>
The only motive for that is to make a profit. I don't see much of a
profit in providing such an adapter considering the potential number
of combinations.
If your batteries die, get a good rebuild and have better than new in
most cases.
Can't be done.
The lithium generally use different prongs, so the charger knows what it
is charging. Lithium can not be charged the same as nicad or nimh.
Also the cell voltage is different.
You'll never see an old nicad/nimh holding lithium.
You will see a reload of the lithium with lithium.
On 2/26/2012 12:22 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:55:30 -0500, Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>> If your batteries die, get a good rebuild and have better than new in
>> most cases.
>
> What I'd like to see is someone rebuilding the older batteries with
> the newer and lighter Li-ion technology.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 21:12:47 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/26/2012 9:11 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> program. Trade in your old style charger and buy a new one with two
>> battery packs and you get a coupon for a free Chevy Volt.
>
>Battery not included ...
I _knew_ it was too bad to be true...
--
Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before
which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air.
-- John Quincy Adams
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:10:26 -0800, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>>other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>>and vice-versa.
>
>Better yet, get all mfgrs to standardize the battery pack interface.
There is a plan to do just that. The tool manufacturers have agreed
to use a universal battery pack staring the day after printer
manufacturers standardize on ink cartridges. They all agreed they
now make too much profit from selling replacement packs so they are
petitioning the government for $10 billion funding for the design work
and charger replacements Obama calls is the Cash for Chargers
program. Trade in your old style charger and buy a new one with two
battery packs and you get a coupon for a free Chevy Volt.
On Sun, 26 Feb 2012 11:45:49 -0500, "Buck Turgidson" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I wish someone would make an adapter that would allow powertools to use
>other manufacturer's batteries, like using my Ridgid batteries for DeWalt
>and vice-versa.
Better yet, get all mfgrs to standardize the battery pack interface.
--
Courage and perseverance have a magical talisman, before
which difficulties disappear and obstacles vanish into air.
-- John Quincy Adams
On 2/26/2012 1:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Can't be done.
>
> The lithium generally use different prongs, so the charger knows what it
> is charging. Lithium can not be charged the same as nicad or nimh.
> Also the cell voltage is different.
Yeah, that is incorrect. AAMOF you can plug any Festool battery that
will fit into a current Festool Charger regaudless of chemical makeup or
voltage.
http://www.festoolusa.com/products/cordless-drills/batteries-and-chargers/battery-charger-trc-3-495227.html
>
> You'll never see an old nicad/nimh holding lithium.
This link leads to batteries with same cases and diferent chemical make
up batteries that will all fit the same tool and charger.
http://www.festoolusa.com/accessories/cordless-drills/batteries-and-chargers.html
On 2/27/2012 4:17 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/27/2012 3:27 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Mike Marlow<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>>> Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify
>>>> rebuilding, which is a shame.
>>>
>>> you definitely looked in the wrong places Ed. Generally around $35 for a
>>> good rebuild.
>>
>> Yep, that's pretty much what I found. And here's
>> a replacement for $31, including shipping:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-1500AH-Replacement-battery-Titan/dp/B0023S8F9U
>>
>>
>> Any chance the rebuild is significantly better than the replacement?
>>
>
> Rebuilds tend to be "fresh" they have not been setting on the shelf
> waiting for your to buy them and they typically have significantly
> higher amperage ratings.
Actually I would shy from a pre-rebuilt, they have been setting on the
shelf also. Have you own battery rebuilt.
On 2/27/2012 3:27 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Mike Marlow<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Ed Pawlowski<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unless I was looking in the wrong place, I couldn't justify
>>> rebuilding, which is a shame.
>>
>> you definitely looked in the wrong places Ed. Generally around $35 for a
>> good rebuild.
>
> Yep, that's pretty much what I found. And here's
> a replacement for $31, including shipping:
> http://www.amazon.com/Dewalt-1500AH-Replacement-battery-Titan/dp/B0023S8F9U
>
> Any chance the rebuild is significantly better than the replacement?
>
Rebuilds tend to be "fresh" they have not been setting on the shelf
waiting for your to buy them and they typically have significantly
higher amperage ratings.