when is it too cold to work?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Silvan,
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, what is a reasonable distance to pull in front
> > of a truck when in traffic that is more or less stop and go (never
> > exceeding 20 MPH)? I always try to allow at least a couple of (your-
> > size) truck lengths. This occurs mostly when pulling in from an on-ramp
> > and trying to get out of a right turn only lane into the continuous lane
> > in above mentioned backup conditions.
>
> Mark,
> Not Silvan, but for my part . . . in almost all traffic, *most* truckers
> will give you an even break, provided you use a little common sense, like
> "use your friggin turn signal!!",

OK, I do that.

> and try and pick an opening, not really
> necessary to have a 2 truck length hole(like you're gonna find one in
> traffic like that).

That hole is usually left by the truckers in the stop & go, as long as
they aren't getting cut off

> You ever notice that with normal hgihway traffic, most
> trucks, if they are able, will move over into middle or left lane to give
> you a clear shot entering from a ramp.

Yes, I've noticed that; my issue is related to a particular ramp, that
upon entry to the freeway, one must immediately get into the (at the
moment) center lane, because the right lane that I just merged on
becomes a required exit lane in about 1/4 mile after the on-ramp ends.
The middle and left lanes at that time of day are pure stop and go, with
of course the usual idiots in the right (soon to be non-existent) lane
who didn't realize two miles ago that the lane was going to end, despite
the bazillion warnings along that lane! (/end rant) also trying to get
into the middle and left lanes.

> If they don't, it usually means there
> is someone alongside them so they can't move over, in which case, either get
> on it enough to get out well ahead of them and @ speed, or lay back and let
> them go by before entering.
> One of the most *endearing* 4 wheeler tricks is when they are behind an
> 18 wheeler going @ or above the limit, they see the sign "1 mile to exit
> ***", where they are going to get off. They suddenly decide they can't
> POSSIBLY wait that 30-40 seconds to get to the exit ramp, they MUST get
> around that @#$^&()_*( truck first, and usually succeed in scaring the
> living bejeezis out of the driver when they cut right under his front bumper
> while standing on the brakes and trying to make the exit ramp before they
> are past it.

Those idjuts do it to regular vehicle drivers also -- something about
that all-important one car length I guess. Although there have been a
few times when I think I'm too close to the exit to pass the slow car in
front of me, only to have it exit also and have to follow it at even
slower speed on the next road for the next umpty-ump miles.


>
> OK, rant mode off.
> Nahmie
>
>

Don't blame you, I appreciate courteous truck drivers, 4 wheel drivers
should show the same respect. I don't appreciate the discourteous
drivers of either stripe, but the 18 wheel maniacs scare the crap out of
me, wife almost got run off the road by a truck that insisted it needed
the left lane despite the fact she was in that lane alongside the truck
trying to pass.


>

I just got back from northern Va. last night....There was about 4-5 inches
on the ground. None here in SE VA any way.......Brian

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:53:58 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:


> I left the MidWest and came to Southern California to get away from winter
> weather.
>
> At that time, I considered anything below 50F to be unfit for human
> habitation.
>
> Since then, I have upgraded that number to 60F which is why I will leave
> California when the boat is finished.
>
> Seriously, consider anything below 60F as unacceptable for painting,
> glue-ups, etc.
>
> Those chemical processes above like warmer weather.

Bringing the boat to Arizona ? ;-)

-Doug

Silvan wrote:
> I know there are people in other parts of the world laughing at the notion
> that I would consider six inches a lot of snow. Well, I don't, really, but
> it's not so much this snowfall as what it represents. Another long damn
> winter of hoping I can continue to say I've never experienced a jacknife.

You've got my sympathy. Driving in MI on 131 about 30 years ago I had
the trailer show up next to my window. Couldn't figure out who had the
same load I was carrying around here or why their emblem was backwards.
Tappped my Johnny brake and used the trailer to straighten us back out.
Definitely check your shorts. Sorry you don't enjoy driving, I loved
seeing this country go by, especially the northern and southern loops.
Just the paperwork and idiots for problems, and you get that with any
job.
Dave in Fairfax
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solarman wrote:

> When the snow starts building up against the door to the shop so
> you can't open it or the fire in the woodstove freezes...
> Then its too cold to work out in the shop.

Thanks for reminding me. I always get it confused and think it's when
you can't FIND the shop it's time to quit.

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Silvan wrote:

> Nova wrote:
>
> > Thanks for reminding me. I always get it confused and think it's when
> > you can't FIND the shop it's time to quit.
>
> > Buffalo, NY - USA
>
> I'll bet. How many feet do you have on the ground now? Four? Five? :)

Actually none. We've only had a couple of dusting so far this year.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Norman D. Crow wrote:
>
> >> winter of hoping I can continue to say I've never experienced a jacknife.
> >
> > Don'tcha just hate it when that happens??????
>
> Like I said to Dave a bit ago, "Whee ha." :)
>
... snip
>
> I was the *victim* of a hit and run last winter. Damn fool had to get
> around me, and he wiped out beside my landing gear. Bounced off of me
> several times, and did a real number on my truck. Nobody ever hears
> *those* stories. They think everything is always our fault; that even when
> it's not our fault, we're supposed to be able to avoid *everything*.
>
... more snip

Silvan,

Just out of curiosity, what is a reasonable distance to pull in front
of a truck when in traffic that is more or less stop and go (never
exceeding 20 MPH)? I always try to allow at least a couple of (your-
size) truck lengths. This occurs mostly when pulling in from an on-ramp
and trying to get out of a right turn only lane into the continuous lane
in above mentioned backup conditions.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:25:14 GMT, DCH <[email protected]> wrote:

>Greetings All...
>
>It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
>space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
>except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
>I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
>temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
>temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
>the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
>I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
>
>Thanks for the help...
>
>DCH
>
>BTW check out my site at:
>http://dchaynie.home.mindspring.com


It's supposed to be in the low 60's here tomorrow, and as far as I'm
concerned, that's too cold to hang Xmas lights.

My shop shares space with the washer and dryer, so if it gets too cold
in there, I just do a load of laundry. Warms it right up.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:25:14 GMT, DCH <[email protected]> wrote:

The tried and true method for determining if it is too cold to work in
your shop is a method I use all the time, as follows: Go to your table
saw bend over and stick your tongue to the bed, if it sticks, its too
cold if not go ahead.
>Greetings All...
>
>It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
>space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
>except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
>I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
>temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
>temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
>the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
>I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
>
>Thanks for the help...
>
>DCH
>
>BTW check out my site at:
>http://dchaynie.home.mindspring.com

Doug Winterburn writes:

>Bringing the boat to Arizona ? ;-)

Naw, gotta leave someplace for the stink boats and the jet skis.

Better your neighborhood than mine<G>.


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Norman D. Crow wrote:

>> winter of hoping I can continue to say I've never experienced a jacknife.
>
> Don'tcha just hate it when that happens??????

Like I said to Dave a bit ago, "Whee ha." :)

> school(tractor close to inside wall, trailer *almost* scraping outside
> retaining wall)? I said "No, but I think I will pull over @ the top of the
> next hill & check my shorts!"

That's one of the worst parts of it, isn't it? Trying your damndest not to
kill someone who can't drive, and really needs to be parked somewhere.
That's part of the day to day, but in winter it gets a lot harder. I much
prefer bad weather when no one is out but cops, snow plows, and only the
most determined of trucks.

I was the *victim* of a hit and run last winter. Damn fool had to get
around me, and he wiped out beside my landing gear. Bounced off of me
several times, and did a real number on my truck. Nobody ever hears
*those* stories. They think everything is always our fault; that even when
it's not our fault, we're supposed to be able to avoid *everything*.

I sure can't wait for it to be spring. Sixteen days until the solstice, and
then the day length will start moving in the right direction. That will
cheer me up. I'll really get cheered up in about February, when the
hepatica starts to bloom in the forest.

Think spring!

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Mark wrote:

>> I could spend a couple of hours scaring the hell out of you with blind
>> spot stories, but for the sake of argument, we'll just assume that
>> particular driver was a total maniac and let it go.

> of me if I tangled with a heavy truck. Damnit if I'm going to make a
> pass I'm going to get the hell around trucks with haste and never ride/
> drive next to one longer than I have to.

FWIW, even though I'm driving a truck myself, I echo everything you just
said wholeheartedly. The situation changes somewhat in thick, slow
traffic, but at highway speeds I never dawdle beside another truck any
longer than I have to. Makes me edgy. Since I'm wider than you, the
chances of him slipping into my lane and bumping me go way up, and if your
right mirror gets torn off, you're in for a bad day. DAMHIKT.

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On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:00:45 -0600, "Sweet Sawdust"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Isn't the stray sawdust a little hard on the lint trap?? or do you use it as
>dust collector??

Yes. <G>


>"Ehvee8or" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:25:14 GMT, DCH <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Greetings All...
>> >
>> >It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
>> >space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
>> >except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
>> >I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
>> >temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
>> >temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
>> >the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
>> >I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
>> >
>> >Thanks for the help...
>> >
>> >DCH
>> >
>> >BTW check out my site at:
>> >http://dchaynie.home.mindspring.com
>>
>>
>> It's supposed to be in the low 60's here tomorrow, and as far as I'm
>> concerned, that's too cold to hang Xmas lights.
>>
>> My shop shares space with the washer and dryer, so if it gets too cold
>> in there, I just do a load of laundry. Warms it right up.
>

:
>
> The tried and true method for determining if it is too cold to work in
> your shop is a method I use all the time, as follows: Go to your table
> saw bend over and stick your tongue to the bed, if it sticks, its too
> cold if not go ahead.

=================
That is the dumbest way I ever heard of... tried it once and almost froze
out in the shop because it was pure hell dragging the tablesaw up to the
house with my tongue stuck to it because my hands could not reach any good
points to get a grip.... NOW I just pick up one of my chisels ... IF it
sticks to my tongue It is no problem walking into the house... NO PROBLEM AT
ALL..

Actually I do have some glue ups to do today and it is 27 degrees and
snowing outside now... in less then an hour
my shop will be up to 65 (my prefered working temp) and I will be set to
go... only question is I still have to check if I have gas in the snowblower
...

Bob G..

"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > I'll bet. How many feet do you have on the ground now? Four? Five?
:)
>
> Actually none. We've only had a couple of dusting so far this year.
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
> (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)

So far we have 6" with another 12 to come. I just shoveled a path to the
shop and stated the heater. I'll go out there in a half hour or so and it
will be comfy. Christmas gifts to work on today.

--
Ed
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Mike does the heater raise the humidity in your shop?

dave

Mike in Mystic wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Isn't the snow great? Here in Mystic we're up to about 8" I think, but it's
> snowing again, so who knows where it will end up. I had some glue-ups to do
> so I fired up that propane 80,000 BTU heater I got last year. I have a
> digital thermometer on the an outside wall kitty-corner from where the
> heater is. When I went out there it was reading 37.5 degrees F and after
> letting the heater run full blast it was up to 72.4 after about 25 minutes.
> Not bad, not bad at all :)
>
> Mike
>
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>>I'll bet. How many feet do you have on the ground now? Four? Five?
>>
>>:)
>>
>>>Actually none. We've only had a couple of dusting so far this year.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jack Novak
>>>Buffalo, NY - USA
>>>(Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>>
>>So far we have 6" with another 12 to come. I just shoveled a path to the
>>shop and stated the heater. I'll go out there in a half hour or so and it
>>will be comfy. Christmas gifts to work on today.
>>
>>--
>>Ed
>>[email protected]
>>http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>>
>>
>
>
>

Silvan wrote:

> I could spend a couple of hours scaring the hell out of you with blind spot
> stories, but for the sake of argument, we'll just assume that particular
> driver was a total maniac and let it go.



The people that get me are the ones who drive next to a truck for miles
on end.

I don't care how good an operator a trucker may be, there are things
that happen where they can't keep the truck in lane. Sudden cross winds
are a good example.

Not all trucks are in the best of repair. Slacks go out of adjustment
causing brakes to pull. Tires have been known to part from rims.


Mayhaps it's because I'm paranoid, or because I've ridden motorcycle off
and on for 20 years that I've had occasion to imagine what would be left
of me if I tangled with a heavy truck. Damnit if I'm going to make a
pass I'm going to get the hell around trucks with haste and never ride/
drive next to one longer than I have to.






>

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Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

DCH wrote:
> Greetings All...
>
> It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
> space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
> except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
> I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
> temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
> temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
> the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
> I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
>
> Thanks for the help...
>
> DCH

The instruction on your glue bottle should give you some
good clues on suitable temperatures.


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"DCH" writes:

> It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
> space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
> except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
> I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
> temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
> temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
> the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
> I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....

I left the MidWest and came to Southern California to get away from winter
weather.

At that time, I considered anything below 50F to be unfit for human
habitation.

Since then, I have upgraded that number to 60F which is why I will leave
California when the boat is finished.

Seriously, consider anything below 60F as unacceptable for painting,
glue-ups, etc.

Those chemical processes above like warmer weather.

HTH


--
Lew

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Visit: <http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett> for Pictures

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> DCH wrote:
> I know there are people in other parts of the world laughing at the notion
> that I would consider six inches a lot of snow. Well, I don't, really,
but
> it's not so much this snowfall as what it represents. Another long damn
> winter of hoping I can continue to say I've never experienced a jacknife.

Don'tcha just hate it when that happens??????

Coming up on a string of 5-6 4 wheelers following a snowplow, all except me
planning to exit with the plow, when Granny decides she doesn't want to stay
in line and pulls over in front of me! I'm waltzing an empty 53 footer all
over the snowy/icy bridge trying to chop down that 15-20 MPH speed
difference when she decides maybe she WILL wait in line!!! )*(&^&*(%%$#%^$
Trucker behind asked if I learned that move in driving school(tractor close
to inside wall, trailer *almost* scraping outside retaining wall)? I said
"No, but I think I will pull over @ the top of the next hill & check my
shorts!"

Nahmie

"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Silvan,
>
> Just out of curiosity, what is a reasonable distance to pull in front
> of a truck when in traffic that is more or less stop and go (never
> exceeding 20 MPH)? I always try to allow at least a couple of (your-
> size) truck lengths. This occurs mostly when pulling in from an on-ramp
> and trying to get out of a right turn only lane into the continuous lane
> in above mentioned backup conditions.

Mark,
Not Silvan, but for my part . . . in almost all traffic, *most* truckers
will give you an even break, provided you use a little common sense, like
"use your friggin turn signal!!", and try and pick an opening, not really
necessary to have a 2 truck length hole(like you're gonna find one in
traffic like that). You ever notice that with normal hgihway traffic, most
trucks, if they are able, will move over into middle or left lane to give
you a clear shot entering from a ramp. If they don't, it usually means there
is someone alongside them so they can't move over, in which case, either get
on it enough to get out well ahead of them and @ speed, or lay back and let
them go by before entering.
One of the most *endearing* 4 wheeler tricks is when they are behind an
18 wheeler going @ or above the limit, they see the sign "1 mile to exit
***", where they are going to get off. They suddenly decide they can't
POSSIBLY wait that 30-40 seconds to get to the exit ramp, they MUST get
around that @#$^&()_*( truck first, and usually succeed in scaring the
living bejeezis out of the driver when they cut right under his front bumper
while standing on the brakes and trying to make the exit ramp before they
are past it.

OK, rant mode off.
Nahmie

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Norman D. Crow wrote:
>
> > you a clear shot entering from a ramp. If they don't, it usually means
> > there is someone alongside them so they can't move over, in which case,
> > either get on it enough to get out well ahead of them and @ speed, or
lay
> > back and let them go by before entering.
>
> What he said... 20 mph traffic... I can't give you a figure really.

I understood and answered that part Mike, then "switched" to general highway
safety(LOL).

>If you pull out in front of a truck and then suddenly your rear view mirror
is
> filled with the word "Peterbilt" backwards, half a second later, you cut
> him off. Especially if he's honking his air horn and sticking his middle
> finger out the window at you, and you see roiling clouds of blue smoke
> pouring off his tires accompanied by a horrifying screeching noise. :)

Isn't it amazing how that screeching noise & bloe clouds will wake up some
drivers? :)


> AT SPEED is a key thing here. Something I've been noticing is that older
> people know how to merge, and younger people think the way to merge is to
> just go out into the highway when you get to the end of the ramp, without
> even looking.
>
> I saw someone literally do that. They got to the end, and then just
jerked
> the wheel. The car they almost plowed into was paying attention, and so
> was the car beside that one. The left most car started eating rocks and
> grass to get out of harm's way. It was excellent driving for those two
> that they both managed to come out of that unscathed. If there had been a
> wreck, I'd have driven back down there to testify against that psychotic
> bitch.

Few years back, SIL was chased down by some guy from USAF, then he asked SIL
if he didn't stop for accidents. SIL said "what accident?", guy told him to
check trailer tandems, paint all over tires. Went back, discovered some li'l
ol' lady came down the ramp, SIL couldn't move over, she moved sideways into
the trailer tandems. He never even felt it. SIL wasn't blamed, as USAF had
witnessed it.

Myself, leaving Brooklyn in Fri. afternoon rush hour(right! RUSH? fagiddit.)
Crossed VZ Narrows bridge onto Staten Island, crawling along in 2nd gear in
right lane, 3 guys in a p/u truck come up ramp, disappear in blind spot and
I'm looking to see them pull in ahead of me when I feel this little bump,
still don't see anything, then they pull up ahead almost on shoulder and
there's this neat little crease in the side of the p/u bed where they drove
into the tip of my front bumper travelling same speed as me! The guy on the
right was givin' the driver
hell, and next thing I know, they're out in front, then over in inside lane
& gone! Apparently didn't want to explain to cops how stupid they were!


> > One of the most *endearing* 4 wheeler tricks is when they are behind
> > an
> > 18 wheeler going @ or above the limit, they see the sign "1 mile to exit
> > ***", where they are going to get off. They suddenly decide they can't
> > POSSIBLY wait that 30-40 seconds to get to the exit ramp, they MUST get
> > around that @#$^&()_*( truck first, and usually succeed in scaring the
> > living bejeezis out of the driver when they cut right under his front
> > bumper while standing on the brakes and trying to make the exit ramp
> > before they are past it.
>
> Yes, and near Philadelphia a few years back, an asshole pulling that stunt
> managed to kill himself, and IIRC two truck drivers, plus the occupants of
> at least one more vehicle.

Philly gives me shivers. AM rush hour, PA TP, exit backed up into rh lane
for 1/4 mi. I'm in middle lane on my way through @ 50-55MPH, some gal passes
me, pulls over in front & STOPS because she wants to get in that blocked up
exit
lane!!!!!! Obligatory loud noises & blue smoke, she suddenly decided that
*was not* a good place to stop, scooted on up to head of exit lane and tried
to crowd in there. Went about 10 mi. to my drop, got out & discovered that
the trailer I was pulling(an older one) was now about 1 ft. longer@ the left
front corner!!!! Discovered aluminum rail & rivets were all corroded & when
I hit the brakes, 45K of assorted Welchs' Grape juice, jam & jelly hit the
front wall & damn near ended up in my sleeper.

> Four lanes in maybe 100' at 70 mph.
>
> They didn't make it. (*She* didn't make it.)
>
> Hit the guard rail, spun out of control, and they were doing donuts so
close
> in front of me that all I could see was the ass end of the thing
> occasionally, while the ass end was pointing away from me.
>
> I stood on the brakes and steered for the shoulder, but I couldn't miss
that
> thing. No way.
>
> On the bright side, nobody rode away from that in an ambulance.
>
> The cop wrote it up that she blew a tire. Bull. Fucking. Shit.

I just love highway games!
Nahmie

Norman D. Crow wrote:

> some li'l ol' lady came down the ramp, SIL couldn't move over, she moved
> sideways into the trailer tandems. He never even felt it. SIL wasn't
> blamed, as USAF had witnessed it.

Saw one where I-581 merges into I-81 southbound. Someone merged right under
a guy's truck, and got stuck there at about a 30 degree angle to the
trailer. Got dragged more than a mile.

> hell, and next thing I know, they're out in front, then over in inside
> lane & gone! Apparently didn't want to explain to cops how stupid they
> were!

I figure the same for that fourwheeler that hit-and-ran me last winter.
Either that, or they were illegal aliens...

> Philly gives me shivers.

Me too.

> for 1/4 mi. I'm in middle lane on my way through @ 50-55MPH, some gal
> passes me, pulls over in front & STOPS because she wants to get in that
> blocked up exit

Been there, done that. Why do people do that? Why?

> ft. longer@ the left front corner!!!! Discovered aluminum rail & rivets
> were all corroded & when I hit the brakes, 45K of assorted Welchs' Grape
> juice, jam & jelly hit the front wall & damn near ended up in my sleeper.

Good grief! Makes me glad I'm a stick hauler. Even with some of our most
rattle-trap trailers, that isn't very likely to happen.

>> The cop wrote it up that she blew a tire. Bull. Fucking. Shit.
>
> I just love highway games!

To beat it all, her insurance tried to get us to pay.

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I believe this is a matter of personal preference. For me, it is too cold to
work, exactly one degree below when it is too hot to work. <G>

Hi Ed,

Isn't the snow great? Here in Mystic we're up to about 8" I think, but it's
snowing again, so who knows where it will end up. I had some glue-ups to do
so I fired up that propane 80,000 BTU heater I got last year. I have a
digital thermometer on the an outside wall kitty-corner from where the
heater is. When I went out there it was reading 37.5 degrees F and after
letting the heater run full blast it was up to 72.4 after about 25 minutes.
Not bad, not bad at all :)

Mike

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > I'll bet. How many feet do you have on the ground now? Four? Five?
> :)
> >
> > Actually none. We've only had a couple of dusting so far this year.
> >
> > --
> > Jack Novak
> > Buffalo, NY - USA
> > (Remove "SPAM" from email address to reply)
>
> So far we have 6" with another 12 to come. I just shoveled a path to the
> shop and stated the heater. I'll go out there in a half hour or so and it
> will be comfy. Christmas gifts to work on today.
>
> --
> Ed
> [email protected]
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
>

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 02:43:01 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:


> When I was there in '74, I made 3 months' rent by helping
> the landlord remove the water-damaged carpeting from the
> lower level of the apartments I lived in. The powers that
> be in Phoenix decided that they wouldn't release any of their
> precious stored water and we got about 6" that week. Indian
> School Road was 3-4' deep on the south side and we got a foot
> of water in the lower apartment buildings. Lots of fun for a
> sailor...or a duck.
>

That's almost the average annual of 7"! The last (substantial)
rain I saw here was in the winter of '92/'93 when the Salt and
Gila not only had water in them, but were overflowing their
banks. No water in either of them since :-(

-Doug

DCH <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Greetings All...

> I was wondering how cold is to cold

When you nick yourself and can't feel it. At all. And the blood
doesn't flow because it's coagualed already? That's when it's time to
go in.

Nova wrote:

> Thanks for reminding me. I always get it confused and think it's when
> you can't FIND the shop it's time to quit.

> Buffalo, NY - USA

I'll bet. How many feet do you have on the ground now? Four? Five? :)

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When the snow starts building up against the door to the shop so
you can't open it or the fire in the woodstove freezes...
Then its too cold to work out in the shop.

"DCH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greetings All...
>
> It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my
shop
> space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is
unheated
> except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in
the shop,
> I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right
in cooler
> temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think
the
> temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good )
and would
> the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry
right, should
> I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
>
> Thanks for the help...
>
> DCH
>
> BTW check out my site at:
> http://dchaynie.home.mindspring.com

"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi Ed,
>
> Isn't the snow great? Here in Mystic we're up to about 8" I think, but
it's
> snowing again, so who knows where it will end up. I had some glue-ups to
do
> so I fired up that propane 80,000 BTU heater I got last year. I have a
> digital thermometer on the an outside wall kitty-corner from where the
> heater is. When I went out there it was reading 37.5 degrees F and after
> letting the heater run full blast it was up to 72.4 after about 25
minutes.
> Not bad, not bad at all :)
>
> Mike

After your shop cleanup you inspired me to insulate my shop. It is over half
done and makes a difference. It got comfy and I had to turn the heat off
before I came in for lunch.

I shoveled a path to the side door. My neighbor across the street bought a
new snowblower. He was just out playing with his toy and did my driveway
also. He missed a spot so I may have to call and complain; unless he
finishes the job tomorrow.

I found a couple more square feet of space on my workbench by cleaning it
up, planed some boards and cut out some parts for a couple of projects I'm
working on for Christmas gift. One is a maple tray, the other a high chair
for granddaughter's doll.

Back out to get a couple of more steps done.
Ed

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:35:51 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:


>>Bringing the boat to Arizona ? ;-)
>
> Can it handle the waves at Big Surf in Tempe? (Is that
> still there? I was in Phoenix last in '73.)

Yup, it's called the "Tempe Town Lake" - a couple of inflatable dams
across the raging Salt River with actual water in between.

-Doug

DCH wrote:

> It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop

Starting? I'm looking at a good six inches of snow, and it's only early
December.

I know there are people in other parts of the world laughing at the notion
that I would consider six inches a lot of snow. Well, I don't, really, but
it's not so much this snowfall as what it represents. Another long damn
winter of hoping I can continue to say I've never experienced a jacknife.
More gray hair. Kids going to school until June. Sigh.

> the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
> I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....

All I have for heat are a pair of 1500W space heaters. I can run one full
tilt and one at half wattage without tripping the breaker on the only
circuit I put out there, so long as I remember to turn them off before
using any machinery. (So *that*'s why everybody suggests putting lighting
on a separate circuit. Sigh.)

I haven't really seen a *cold* day yet, so it's hard to say how effective
they will be as winter progresses. Whatever temperature it was yesterday
(probably somewhere in the 30s) I never managed to get the shop what you'd
call comfortable. I let the heaters run for a good while, then dialed the
thermostats back until they just cut off, to get them to hold pretty much
the highest temperature they could realistically sustain without running
continuously.

At the end of the day, when I rolled them back to the lowest setting for the
"anti-freeze" mode, I only moved the dial a fraction of an inch before
hitting the stop. They couldn't hope to come remotely close to bringing
the space up to the temperatures suggested by all those unattainable higher
settings on the dial.

Today, it was colder, and snowing. I set one for the max (on the end of my
workbench, up on a piece of granite), and left the other (on the floor near
the table saw) in "anti-freeze" mode. The "anti-freeze" heater never cut
off all day, and with the two of them doing their best, I never saw 50 in
the shop. With nothing close to insulation, I expected at least the snow
on the roof would melt as a testament to how much heat I was throwing away.
It's unfazed.

Titebond says that both glue and parts have to be above 50. I did a glue-up
at 50, and while it set up, it just doesn't look normal. I think the
strength of these joints has probably been compromised (they need only
minimal strength anyway, so this is of no concern in this particular
instance), and I think 60 is a more realistic minimum temperature target
for glue-ups.

Shellac cures fine at 50 or below, but it seems to take longer to set up,
and the evaporating alcohol really puts a chill in the air. Poly just
won't cure at that temperature at all. I don't think lacquer will either.
Paste wax takes a long time to develop a good haze, but it works at 50.

All things considered, I got my final project of the year to a state where I
could do the final waxing and assembly stages in my den, and I closed up my
shop. I just don't think I have enough heat to do anything useful out
there this winter. Not when the temperature is much below 40 anyway. I
will probably leave it closed until I get my lathe for Christmas. I'm
hoping I can turn at temperatures much too cold for glue. Everything else
is just going to have to wait until the weather warms up, or else I suck it
up and buy some kind of propane heater that can put out some real BTUs.

Insulating the shop would help too, but that's a hard thing to justify since
I don't expect it to remain standing all that much longer. The termites
have done their work well, and it needs replacing. There's no A/C either,
and insulation would just help keep it at 120 longer in the summer. Sigh.

Today was the first day off in a long time where I didn't spend at least
half of it puttering in the shop. I think I will go nuts.

All snow and no shop makes Silvan a dull boy.
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REDRUM!! REDRUM!!!!!!! REDRUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[email protected] wrote:

>> it's not so much this snowfall as what it represents. Another long damn
>> winter of hoping I can continue to say I've never experienced a jacknife.
>
> You've got my sympathy. Driving in MI on 131 about 30 years ago I had

The weather here was actually bad enough to make the national news.
Second-hand account, since I don't watch TV, but Mom said the Today Show on
NBC did a piece on how the nasty weather was causing a huge number of
wrecks on the new bypass (the one outside my bedroom window) in
Christiansburg, VA. I probably narrowly missed my big shot at the
limelight. I could have been nationally recognized as "that guy in the
orange hat who crashed into a wall in some town I never heard of in
Virginia." :)

> the trailer show up next to my window. Couldn't figure out who had the
> same load I was carrying around here or why their emblem was backwards.
> Tappped my Johnny brake and used the trailer to straighten us back out.

Whee ha. I'm glad that didn't end badly!

> Definitely check your shorts. Sorry you don't enjoy driving, I loved
> seeing this country go by, especially the northern and southern loops.
> Just the paperwork and idiots for problems, and you get that with any
> job.

There are parts of it I like, and parts of it I hate. This time of year, I
get gloomy. Winter *scares* me. I've been through enough adversity by now
that I should be over that, but I'm not. Not by a long shot. I definitely
miss the work-a-day world this time of year.

In spring, it will be different. I love how long my springs are as a truck
driver. When things start to bloom down in Georgia, it makes it that much
easier to bear winter here in Virginia, because I can see what's coming
just around the corner.

In the end though, the reason I have to find a new job in the next few years
is because it's just beating me up. My right knee is almost completely
shot, and I want to get out while I can still qualify this with an
"almost." Winter only happens once a year, but the knee pain is my
constant companion.

Since retiring at 35 is probably not a real option, I'm going to have to
come up with something else. :)

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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 01:56:46 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> complained:

>Insulating the shop would help too, but that's a hard thing to justify since
>I don't expect it to remain standing all that much longer. The termites
>have done their work well, and it needs replacing. There's no A/C either,
>and insulation would just help keep it at 120 longer in the summer. Sigh.

Why not slap some fiberglass batts between the studs now and plan on
reusing them when you build the palace? It'll prolly save you a bunch
in electricity costs.

Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" for real email address

Mark & Juanita wrote:

> That hole is usually left by the truckers in the stop & go, as long as
> they aren't getting cut off

It's called following distance. The wisest among us try to maintain it.
You probably *are* cutting them off to an extent, as far as eating up the
cushion they're trying to maintain, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

There's one spot on my regular route where I have to come off a clover leaf
and then make it across four lanes of traffic to the extreme left within
about 1/4 mile. That gets interesting sometimes.

Actually, there are *two* such places I can think of.

> who didn't realize two miles ago that the lane was going to end, despite
> the bazillion warnings along that lane! (/end rant) also trying to get
> into the middle and left lanes.

Tell me about it. Milepost 279 on I-40. Why the hell can't those idiots
figure out that the right two lanes exit off, and the left two lanes go
through? WHY???

> few times when I think I'm too close to the exit to pass the slow car in
> front of me, only to have it exit also and have to follow it at even
> slower speed on the next road for the next umpty-ump miles.

Been there, done that. Hooo boy, have I ever. Try passing on a two-lane
road in a non-flat part of the country in a tractor-trailer too. It can be
done, but it's extremely difficult to find a spot with enough sight
distance to do so safely, and finding such spots at a moment when there is
no on-coming traffic is damn near impossible.

(And when you finally get around Grandpa after 50 miles of torment, you look
in the mirror to see if you're clear, and see that he's in the process of
turning off.)

> drivers of either stripe, but the 18 wheel maniacs scare the crap out of
> me, wife almost got run off the road by a truck that insisted it needed
> the left lane despite the fact she was in that lane alongside the truck
> trying to pass.

I could spend a couple of hours scaring the hell out of you with blind spot
stories, but for the sake of argument, we'll just assume that particular
driver was a total maniac and let it go.

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Tim Douglass wrote:

> getting DOT tickets in excess of $3,500 and just paying it as a
> routine cost of doing business. When hauling logs was profitable it
> was *really* profitable.

I don't think anybody is getting that rich, but it sounds like the type.
Chip and bull haulers too. The last of the cowboy supertruckers.

Back when this road used to go somewhere, before they cut it in half with a
new highway, trucks used to use this street to get out to the place where
they shred up all the Christmas trees they collect at the end of the
season.

I was in the house one day, and heard an incredibly loud metal wrenching
sound. I went out to see what the hell had happened.

It was a chip hauler loaded with mulch. His trailer broke in the middle and
collapsed to the ground. The sides bowed out, and it spewed mulch all over
the place. The steer axle was a foot off the ground, and he couldn't get
the thing out of the road.

Guy tried to tell me he had scaled only 20,000 pounds.

His tires were down to the wires too.

Gack. I give those things a *wide* berth now.

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Luigi Zanasi wrote:

>>I don't expect it to remain standing all that much longer. The termites
>>have done their work well, and it needs replacing. There's no A/C either,
>>and insulation would just help keep it at 120 longer in the summer. Sigh.
>
> Why not slap some fiberglass batts between the studs now and plan on
> reusing them when you build the palace? It'll prolly save you a bunch
> in electricity costs.

Thinking about it. It would help if I didn't have so many things between
the studs. I'm not sure I could get enough insulation in there to do any
good without ripping my shop apart and putting it back together.

Is anything better than nothing, or is it pretty pointless to do any of it
if I'm not going to do all of it?

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On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:36:11 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Norman D. Crow wrote:
>> ft. longer@ the left front corner!!!! Discovered aluminum rail & rivets
>> were all corroded & when I hit the brakes, 45K of assorted Welchs' Grape
>> juice, jam & jelly hit the front wall & damn near ended up in my sleeper.
>
>Good grief! Makes me glad I'm a stick hauler. Even with some of our most
>rattle-trap trailers, that isn't very likely to happen.

Stick hauler? Lumber? Logs? Is this and OWWR?

I've known a couple of log truck drivers who have died when the load
overran the cab. Usually their own fault, though. Sixty mph+ on dirt
logging roads just aint smart.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 12:03:15 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> scribbled

>> Why not slap some fiberglass batts between the studs now and plan on
>> reusing them when you build the palace? It'll prolly save you a bunch
>> in electricity costs.
>
>Thinking about it. It would help if I didn't have so many things between
>the studs. I'm not sure I could get enough insulation in there to do any
>good without ripping my shop apart and putting it back together.
>
>Is anything better than nothing, or is it pretty pointless to do any of it
>if I'm not going to do all of it?

IMNSHO, something slowing down heat transfer is better than nothing,
especially higher up and on the ceiling. Behind the cabinets is
probably not as important. There is some insulation value already,
albeit not very efficient. Also, you could put some styrofoam outside
on the vertical portion of the walls. Think of reusing it on your
future ceiling/roof.

Luigi
The wreck's self-proclaimed expert on cold weather.
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Luigi
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 03:00:53 GMT, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:53:58 +0000, Lew Hodgett wrote:

>> Since then, I have upgraded that number to 60F which is why I will leave
>> California when the boat is finished.
>>
>> Seriously, consider anything below 60F as unacceptable for painting,
>> glue-ups, etc.
>>
>> Those chemical processes above like warmer weather.
>
>Bringing the boat to Arizona ? ;-)

Can it handle the waves at Big Surf in Tempe? (Is that
still there? I was in Phoenix last in '73.)


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In article <[email protected]>,
DCH <[email protected]> wrote:

> how cold is too cold?....

When you got on your woolies, Sorel's, Expedition Capilene, Polartec
300, fingerless gloves, tasseled wool bean cover, and you still find
yourself shivering, then it's time to call it quits.

BTW, even with heaters, it takes *awhile* to warm up cast iron - tho I
would really know since I'm heaterless but hope to gas-ify by next
winter.

For glue-ups, I bring it into the house if the temps are below the 60's.

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On Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:36:31 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I don't think I'd ever consider hauling logs for the simple reason that the
>DOT cops seem to love them so very, very much.

Can't blame 'em, really. A lot of the log haulers I've known seem to
delight in driving 7 day a week, 18-20 hours a day on icy roads with
one headlight out, broken springs and bald tires traveling 25 over the
limit while hauling 15,000 lbs over weight. I've heard of those guys
getting DOT tickets in excess of $3,500 and just paying it as a
routine cost of doing business. When hauling logs was profitable it
was *really* profitable.

Of course this was NE Washington state, local mileage may vary.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Norman D. Crow wrote:

> you a clear shot entering from a ramp. If they don't, it usually means
> there is someone alongside them so they can't move over, in which case,
> either get on it enough to get out well ahead of them and @ speed, or lay
> back and let them go by before entering.

What he said... 20 mph traffic... I can't give you a figure really. If
you pull out in front of a truck and then suddenly your rear view mirror is
filled with the word "Peterbilt" backwards, half a second later, you cut
him off. Especially if he's honking his air horn and sticking his middle
finger out the window at you, and you see roiling clouds of blue smoke
pouring off his tires accompanied by a horrifying screeching noise. :)

AT SPEED is a key thing here. Something I've been noticing is that older
people know how to merge, and younger people think the way to merge is to
just go out into the highway when you get to the end of the ramp, without
even looking.

I saw someone literally do that. They got to the end, and then just jerked
the wheel. The car they almost plowed into was paying attention, and so
was the car beside that one. The left most car started eating rocks and
grass to get out of harm's way. It was excellent driving for those two
that they both managed to come out of that unscathed. If there had been a
wreck, I'd have driven back down there to testify against that psychotic
bitch.

> One of the most *endearing* 4 wheeler tricks is when they are behind
> an
> 18 wheeler going @ or above the limit, they see the sign "1 mile to exit
> ***", where they are going to get off. They suddenly decide they can't
> POSSIBLY wait that 30-40 seconds to get to the exit ramp, they MUST get
> around that @#$^&()_*( truck first, and usually succeed in scaring the
> living bejeezis out of the driver when they cut right under his front
> bumper while standing on the brakes and trying to make the exit ramp
> before they are past it.

Yes, and near Philadelphia a few years back, an asshole pulling that stunt
managed to kill himself, and IIRC two truck drivers, plus the occupants of
at least one more vehicle.

Speaking of stupid 4-wheeler tricks... Going up a highway to a major split.
Fourwheeler in the right most lane, left turn signal on. I saw that, and
gave it room. For a long time. For miles. Finally, the split-off lanes
opened up to the left, and I moved over one lane to the left, which was to
become the right lane of the off-shoot highway I was following. Right
before the guard rail in the V, they went for it. I just couldn't friggin'
believe they went for it. Four lanes in maybe 100' at 70 mph.

They didn't make it. (*She* didn't make it.)

Hit the guard rail, spun out of control, and they were doing donuts so close
in front of me that all I could see was the ass end of the thing
occasionally, while the ass end was pointing away from me.

I stood on the brakes and steered for the shoulder, but I couldn't miss that
thing. No way.

On the bright side, nobody rode away from that in an ambulance.

The cop wrote it up that she blew a tire. Bull. Fucking. Shit.

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On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:32:13 -0500, "solarman" <[email protected]>
scribbled

>When the snow starts building up against the door to the shop so
>you can't open it or the fire in the woodstove freezes...
>Then its too cold to work out in the shop.

I just came up from the gara^H^H^H^Hshop to check out the wreck as I
just finished cutting a bunch of mortises. I did manage to screw one
up, arghh! It's a pretty warm -15 degrees (5 degrees Fahrenheit,
Keith) outside right now. I disagree with solarman, and I know about
cold. I live in North America's coldest area - the Yukon - and I can
testify that woodstove fires do not freeze. Also, if you can't get in
the shop, just shovel the snow off. Sheesh! :-)

So, it's never too cold to work in the shop. My shop is only partially
insulated. I use a bathroom fan and some 4" ducting to blow warm air
into the shop from the furnace room, which gets too hot anyway. That
keeps the shop above a toasty 0 degrees (32 Fahrenheit, Keith). When
it gets really cold (like 30-40 below zero), or if I want things
heated up in a hurry, I use a propane radiant heater that attaches
directly to a tank. The rest of time, I use one or two small electric
ceramic heaters. My insulated coveralls and felt-lined hunting boots
are nice. My hands don't usually get cold, so I don't wear gloves.

For glue-ups, I've used three different strategies, as the instruction
on the bottles require temperatures above 15 degrees (59 Fahrenheit,
Keith):
1. Bring them inside the house.
2. Remove the clamps after an hour or so and bring inside the house.
3. Leave them on the bench, put an electric heater under the bench.
The heater is plugged into an extension cord to which I have connected
an electric heating thermostat. The thermostat hangs below the bench,
away from the heater. Cover the whole thing with a tarp & go to bed.

#3 is also used for finishes.

Glues and finishes stay inside the house when not in use.

Luigi
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On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:39:35 GMT, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:

>On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 05:35:51 +0000, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>>Bringing the boat to Arizona ? ;-)
>> Can it handle the waves at Big Surf in Tempe? (Is that
>> still there? I was in Phoenix last in '73.)
>
>Yup, it's called the "Tempe Town Lake" - a couple of inflatable dams
>across the raging Salt River with actual water in between.

When I was there in '74, I made 3 months' rent by helping
the landlord remove the water-damaged carpeting from the
lower level of the apartments I lived in. The powers that
be in Phoenix decided that they wouldn't release any of their
precious stored water and we got about 6" that week. Indian
School Road was 3-4' deep on the south side and we got a foot
of water in the lower apartment buildings. Lots of fun for a
sailor...or a duck.


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My shop in central Maine is unheated so far. Eventually it gets too cold
to work in there, no matter how much I would like to.

A lot of stuff like gluing and painting stops below 50 Degree F. That
stops a lot of my work right there. Below 30 I start noticing how
everything in there is made of steel and is so damn cold I need to work
with gloves. About that time the lights stop coming on and the batteries
for my portable tools freeze. At this point I reluctantly close the door
and go find something else to do until Spring.

My $.02

Tim Douglass wrote:

> Stick hauler? Lumber? Logs? Is this and OWWR?

Furniture, man, furniture. We stick haulers, as a rule, don't need no
stinkin' training wheels, so we drive 14-wheelers. Saves on tolls, saves
on taxes. We're rated to haul only 56,000, which is less than we *could*
haul, and a lot more than we ever do. I've never scaled out in seven
years, and don't remember how to slide tandems. Some guy asked one time,
and I had to just throw up my hands and say "Man, I'm a stick hauler. I
have no idea how to do that anymore."

> I've known a couple of log truck drivers who have died when the load
> overran the cab. Usually their own fault, though. Sixty mph+ on dirt
> logging roads just aint smart.

I don't think I'd ever consider hauling logs for the simple reason that the
DOT cops seem to love them so very, very much.

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Nova wrote:

>> > Buffalo, NY - USA
>>
>> I'll bet. How many feet do you have on the ground now? Four? Five? :)
>
> Actually none. We've only had a couple of dusting so far this year.

In *Buffalo*? You mean I have more snow on the ground in Virginia than you
do in Buffalo?

Sumpin' ain't right.

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I would think the glue is the least of your worries. If something is built
and glued at a cold temp. once it is brought into the house, the wood will
expand. This will result in joints loosening and possibly wood splitting.
Think about it, it is recommended to have wood flooring in the environment
for 48 hours before installation. If you build a bookshelf in a shop which
is, lets say 60 degrees then bring it in your house which is 70 degrees. The
wood will expand and possibly ruin your work.

You know it's too cold to work when the lights in your shop won't come on
because the power lines are down due to freezing weather and all of the oil
lamps are in the house doing domestic duty. To prevent this tragedy I now
have 14 kerosene lamps (4 Aladdin) and 12 kerosene lanterns and 3 gas
lanterns. No I don't collect them they just seem to like to settle here.
Feeding them can be a problem but they do put out the heat.
"DCH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greetings All...
>
> It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
> space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
> except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
> I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
> temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
> temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
> the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
> I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
>
> Thanks for the help...
>
> DCH
>
> BTW check out my site at:
> http://dchaynie.home.mindspring.com

Isn't the stray sawdust a little hard on the lint trap?? or do you use it as
dust collector??
"Ehvee8or" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 02:25:14 GMT, DCH <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Greetings All...
> >
> >It seems that winter is really starting to set in, and since my shop
> >space ( read that as " about 2/3 of a single car garage") is unheated
> >except for a small space heater I turn on when I am actually in the shop,
> >I was wondering how cold is to cold, will the glue set up right in cooler
> >temps, should I bring a glue up indoors to cure? ( I would think the
> >temperature and humidity swings would do more harm than good ) and would
> >the same apply to finishing a project, will the finish dry right, should
> >I bring it inside to dry....how cold is too cold?....
> >
> >Thanks for the help...
> >
> >DCH
> >
> >BTW check out my site at:
> >http://dchaynie.home.mindspring.com
>
>
> It's supposed to be in the low 60's here tomorrow, and as far as I'm
> concerned, that's too cold to hang Xmas lights.
>
> My shop shares space with the washer and dryer, so if it gets too cold
> in there, I just do a load of laundry. Warms it right up.