With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet. General
and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't failed
me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged him
on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
TIA!
Jim H.
You appear to contradict the World in regards to getting parts from Delta
since it was acquired by Black and Decker and every local machine/tool shop
stopped carrying them. I'm amazed that you can see into the future and that
Jet, Powermatic or any other manufacturer didn't just happen to fold or get
bought out.
I can speak for Grizzly, simply because I have other pieces of equipment,
and haven't had an issue with parts or service before. So you make a lot of
unfounded fabricated BS statements. See I wasn't looking for your or anyones
validation. You aren't a current owner and really had nothing of any value
to add....Unlike yourself, I'm pretty resourceful and intelligent not to
slam you, but I can figure things out on my own and make very informed
purchases. Kinda why I didn't ask you, but CURRENT OWNERS! I guess you
simply have to much time on your hands to actually be helpful, but don't
waste mine thats just plain rude!
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Tall Oak wrote:
>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>> General
>> and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
>> hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find
>> anything
>> wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't
>> failed
>> me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged
>> him
>> on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for
>> $877.
>>
>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>
>> TIA!
>> Jim H.
>
> I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
> need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
>
> With Delta, Jet, Powematic, etc you won't have that problem.
>
> In all fairness to the sales guy, if he doesn't sell Grizzly, how do
> you expect him to argue its merits? I've been in a lot of stores where
> I've seen other people coming in and "looking" at all the saws there
> and then challenging the sales guy to beat the Grizzly price. When the
> sales people explain the downside of Grizzly.. hard to get spare parts,
> nowhere local to service it (if you need it), etc., the guy usually
> just leaves the store saying "I don't care, I'm buying the Grizzly"..
> That sounds a lot like you. Not a slam on you, but if you want to buy
> the Griz, go ahead, don't wait around for validation from us. Just be
> aware that there is a trade off. I had a big move 6 years ago, and it
> sure was nice to call Jet and Delta to get replacement parts for the
> pieces that got lost/broken in the move. Also, the "name" brands will
> have a lot better resale value if you ever decide to get out of the
> hobby.
>
I'm not Cordial? But you on the otherhand feel that making no valid point,
false assumptions, spreading disinformation and simply wasting your time and
other peoples valuable time is (not) a real positive attribute?.. Possibly
you should spend more time giving thought as to the importance of what you
have to add and the accuracy of such.Not a slam on you, but ignorance is
bliss but spreading it is simply "un-cordial". You should reconsider your
options, when you make false assumptions, ""I don't care, I'm buying the
Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you". Talking out of ones ass, is
Un-Cordial. So it's usually much better to be more reflective and selective
as to what you may reply too, and what you have to ADD, to said discussion..
Now if you had asked questions instead of making false assumptions or
incorrect statements, you might have learned things. You can be as
self-righteous and as cocky as you want, because when your wrong, that's
simply pissing in the wind kid! Don't pout and try not to wet your pants
next time!
Cheers!
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that
>> the
>> old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old Delta
>> machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't count
>> on
>> Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
>
> Thanks for that information. I didn't realize the policy change. That
> will affect my future buying decsions. And thanks for being cordial,
> unlike the OP.
>
Ignorance is Bliss and your just one happy clueless moron.............
Try not patting yourself on the back so hard after you wipe your ass, you're
getting shit on your T-shirt again!
Sorry loser!Try again kid better luck next time! Yeah I happen to think you
don't know two people, especially ones who can operate tools! (actually
know)
Must be tough on ya huh so little self esteem and
all.........................
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> TBM wrote:
>>> And an unbiased observer, I must say you are coming of very poor in this
>> matter... you asked for opinions and you received them.
>>
>
> Thanks man.. I guess we should make sure everything we tell Tall Oaks
> is "admissable in a court of law" as that's his criteria LOL.
>
Yeah some folks here just have to run their sucks, with no knowledge or
experience and can't add crap to a conversation. American tools are crap in
Europe and Asian tools are crap in America. I doubt if any manufacturer
could claim 100% USA components, workmanship or assembly. Basically only the
stupid people will bad mouth Grizzly, because they paid more for less on
almost any other product.
I've talked to almost every shop around they all spoke well of the Jet
Powermatic and General when asked about Grizzly they mostly didn't have any
experience with them, but they wouldn't slam it because they had no
experience and the ones who did have some experience simply said that they
are a good quality piece, at a good price. The Tool Sellers all badmouthed
Grizzly even though none owned or would admit owning one (unlike the first
kid, I was an honest seller and when asked a question gave an honest answer,
even if it hurt my sales) They all told me pretty much the same exact song
Poor Quality Control, Poor Service and they're all the way in PA...(yeah
like I'll just pick up the damn saw and take it to him for repair) I'll ship
to him as easily as PA! I would never have bought Grizzly, didn't even know
who they are. When I finally go a catalog from a friend on a lark I bought a
19 dollar nail gun, worked great, so in baby steps I bought various products
over time all completely satisfied. Then I got a bandsaw and a sliding
router table etc etc.I couldn't complain one bit and basically am laughing
all the way to the bank.
Thanks, Jim
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Zl_Gg.97370$LF4.29293@dukeread05...
> Jim:
> I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S cabinet
> saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other grizzly
> sanders and other items. I started my search about six years ago pretty
> much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with 20-30 year old
> machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality and the high
> degree of support I received in their Springfield store, on the phone and
> during the order/shipment process. I received my saw 36 hours after I
> placed the internet order.
>
> Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't will
> badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a fully
> integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If you buy
> tools of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore content or
> total off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old Powermatic 95A jointer
> that clearly came from the east.
>
> RonB
>
> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:niQGg.2090$qI1.170@trndny04...
>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop
>> for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find
>> anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they
>> haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality
>> control, I challenged him on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to
>> buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>
>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>
>> TIA!
>> Jim H.
>>
>
>
Tall Oak wrote:
> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet. General
> and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
> hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
> wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't failed
> me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged him
> on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>
> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>
> TIA!
> Jim H.
I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
With Delta, Jet, Powematic, etc you won't have that problem.
In all fairness to the sales guy, if he doesn't sell Grizzly, how do
you expect him to argue its merits? I've been in a lot of stores where
I've seen other people coming in and "looking" at all the saws there
and then challenging the sales guy to beat the Grizzly price. When the
sales people explain the downside of Grizzly.. hard to get spare parts,
nowhere local to service it (if you need it), etc., the guy usually
just leaves the store saying "I don't care, I'm buying the Grizzly"..
That sounds a lot like you. Not a slam on you, but if you want to buy
the Griz, go ahead, don't wait around for validation from us. Just be
aware that there is a trade off. I had a big move 6 years ago, and it
sure was nice to call Jet and Delta to get replacement parts for the
pieces that got lost/broken in the move. Also, the "name" brands will
have a lot better resale value if you ever decide to get out of the
hobby.
Frank Howell wrote:
> > I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
> > need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
>
> Based on what? Got proof?
Only ancedotal proof, talking to 2 people with older Grizzly stuff.
Griz discontinued that model and no longer stocks replacement parts. I
didn't ask how easy it is to get replacement parts for stuff that is
still in production.
> So how does calling Jet or Delta for replacement parts make Grizzly
> deficient in that department? If I call Ford for lost or broken parts, does
> that automatically put Yugo in the category of not having parts?
> Not saying that you're wrong, but I don't see any evidence that your right.
The point is that I can call Delta or Jet and get any part I need. Not
always the case with Griz, although maybe my 2 friends are the
exception. I'm not saying Griz is crap, I'm sure it's adequate for a
lot of hobbyist, but you do get something for paying a little more for
a name brand. I'm not a machinery expert, so I don't know if Griz does
extra shortcuts in the manufacturing or not.
Tall Oak wrote:
> I can speak for Grizzly, simply because I have other pieces of equipment,
> and haven't had an issue with parts or service before. So you make a lot of
> unfounded fabricated BS statements. See I wasn't looking for your or anyones
> validation.
Yes, you did ask for my opinion. But if you're going to accuse me of
lying, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your Griz.
Lee Michaels wrote:
> As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that the
> old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old Delta
> machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't count on
> Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
Thanks for that information. I didn't realize the policy change. That
will affect my future buying decsions. And thanks for being cordial,
unlike the OP.
Tall Oak wrote:
> I'm not Cordial?
Yeah, this is real cordial .. You said "What Part of "ANY CURRENT
OWNERS" did you fail to understand? " When I relayed my experience in
talking to other Griz owners. Then you or someone else accused me of
spreading BS.
>You should reconsider your
> options, when you make false assumptions, ""I don't care, I'm buying the
> Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you".
But that's exactly what happened. You went into all these stores, and
basically said "Talk me out of buying a Grizzley", and then you
expected them to be Grizzley experts. And guess what, I'm right, you
already had you mind made up to buy a Grizzley, you just wanted some
other Griz fans to validate your opinion. You sure jumped on my ass for
daring to relate an experience that I thought might be helpful.
And then, it's comical to take me to task for "wasting your time"..
LOL, your time is so valuable that you can flame me for daring
mentioning that 2 people I've talked to in my life have had problems
getting Griz replacement parts. Guess what, it's not BS. I've moved
around a lot in my life and been in 4 different wood working clubs.
I've talked to a lot of people in this hobby. That doesn't make me an
expert, but I was trying to share some information with you, dickhead.
Have fun humping your Griz when it arrives.
That is also a consideration with the Hybrid. 1. It's new and I found it
odd, that no trade publications have reviewed it yet. Everybody waits with
baited breath for a new piece. I did find a good user review on Amazon. Of
all the saws, I liked the General over all of them, and the Jet Super Saw
was pretty neat, but if you weigh all the pro's and con's, Grizzly's price
advantuage. Simply gives you more saw for your money!
BUT it is a table saw this in and of itself, should spell out never needing
to fix. I take excellent care of anything I buy especially my guns and
tools. If I can get 28 years out of most of my tools Circular/ Drills/Sabre
and a 99 dollar table saw. I feel pretty confident that breakage and service
aren't a real big issue, and if it does I can fix it one way or another.
M&A's only work for the Investment Bankers, never the customer or
employee's.This "planned obsolescence,buy and dump" is in EVERYTHING, even
home appliances have all dropped the warranty period. This is the fact that
we have been downgraded from citizens to simply consumers. I owned an RCA
25" color tv for 23 years and gave it to my buddy for his basement, he got a
few years and I think the moisture simply got to it! My First HDTV lasted 2
months past warranty. Duh Extended Warranty What's that? The object is
simply to discover anyway they can think of to get or even take ones money!
just wait until tools get like software and computers. each quarter buy new
tools!
Jim
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:YUoHg.100553$LF4.53224@dukeread05...
> >
>> As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that
>> the old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old
>> Delta machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't
>> count on Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
>>
> Same song Ryobi. I bought one of their 12-1/4' surface planers about 10
> years ago. These older machines have a reputation for running and running
> and running (not necessarily the newer stuff).
>
> Neat part is I could buy a set of blades for about $14, until a couple of
> years ago when they discontinued. When last checked, the aftermarket set
> that replaces mine sells for $74. That put it pretty close to a keep or
> sell decision until I learned that Delta makes a set that will fit it.
> Maybe I had better stock up on the Delta blades.
>
> RonB
>
bf wrote:
> Tall Oak wrote:
>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a
>> woodshop for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I
>> just can't find anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly
>> products and they haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly
>> had poor quality control, I challenged him on that and he waivered.
>> He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>
>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>
>> TIA!
>> Jim H.
>
> I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
> need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
Based on what? Got proof?
>
> With Delta, Jet, Powematic, etc you won't have that problem.
>
> In all fairness to the sales guy, if he doesn't sell Grizzly, how do
> you expect him to argue its merits? I've been in a lot of stores
> where I've seen other people coming in and "looking" at all the saws
> there and then challenging the sales guy to beat the Grizzly price.
> When the sales people explain the downside of Grizzly.. hard to get
> spare parts, nowhere local to service it (if you need it), etc., the
> guy usually just leaves the store saying "I don't care, I'm buying
> the Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you. Not a slam on you, but if
> you want to buy the Griz, go ahead, don't wait around for validation
> from us. Just be aware that there is a trade off. I had a big move 6
> years ago, and it sure was nice to call Jet and Delta to get
> replacement parts for the pieces that got lost/broken in the move.
> Also, the "name" brands will have a lot better resale value if you
> ever decide to get out of the hobby.
So how does calling Jet or Delta for replacement parts make Grizzly
deficient in that department? If I call Ford for lost or broken parts, does
that automatically put Yugo in the category of not having parts?
Not saying that you're wrong, but I don't see any evidence that your right.
--
Frank Howell
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"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cEqHg.10264$6s.4021@trndny08...
> Now your just making me laugh!
>
And an unbiased observer, I must say you are coming of very poor in this
matter... you asked for opinions and you received them.
This is your original post:
"With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet. General
and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't failed
me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged him
on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
So what's your opinion on this bad bear?"
You clearly asked for opinions, bf related the experience of two grizzly
product owners.
It sounds like you are treating bf the same way you treated the salesman....
like someone who had already made up their mind. So what was the point in
asking? So you could beat down anyone who said anything negative? If you
didn't agree with him, you simply could have stated so and why. Everyone
makes mistakes or gives out misinformation at one time or another.
So I don't share the same fate, I think the G0478 is GREAT!
Good day.
"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p5wHg.2746$HW1.1223@trndny03...
> Just had to ask? How many times did you vote for Bush? Small minds think
> alike, and your both batting around zero/zip/nada! on the right scale, I'd
> say your from Texas, but in your case that would be a step up! Must be the
> mid-west!
>
Wow, you're a real class act.
*PLONK*
I forgot to mention - If you call Grizzly's service they will provide you
with names and phone# of up to two people in your general area that have
purchased the tool you are considering. I used this service and the
conversations helped me decide. Also gives you a chance to touch the tool
before buying.
Take a look at the catalogue list of companies Griz does business with. I
used to work for Raytheon and their wood modeling and tool shops are full of
Grizzly tools.
RonB
"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0v%Gg.4134$zS2.1802@trndny01...
> Yeah some folks here just have to run their sucks, with no knowledge or
> experience and can't add crap to a conversation. American tools are crap
> in Europe and Asian tools are crap in America. I doubt if any manufacturer
> could claim 100% USA components, workmanship or assembly. Basically only
> the stupid people will bad mouth Grizzly, because they paid more for less
> on almost any other product.
>
> I've talked to almost every shop around they all spoke well of the Jet
> Powermatic and General when asked about Grizzly they mostly didn't have
> any experience with them, but they wouldn't slam it because they had no
> experience and the ones who did have some experience simply said that they
> are a good quality piece, at a good price. The Tool Sellers all badmouthed
> Grizzly even though none owned or would admit owning one (unlike the first
> kid, I was an honest seller and when asked a question gave an honest
> answer, even if it hurt my sales) They all told me pretty much the same
> exact song Poor Quality Control, Poor Service and they're all the way in
> PA...(yeah like I'll just pick up the damn saw and take it to him for
> repair) I'll ship to him as easily as PA! I would never have bought
> Grizzly, didn't even know who they are. When I finally go a catalog from a
> friend on a lark I bought a 19 dollar nail gun, worked great, so in baby
> steps I bought various products over time all completely satisfied. Then I
> got a bandsaw and a sliding router table etc etc.I couldn't complain one
> bit and basically am laughing all the way to the bank.
>
> Thanks, Jim
>
>
> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:Zl_Gg.97370$LF4.29293@dukeread05...
>> Jim:
>> I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S cabinet
>> saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other grizzly
>> sanders and other items. I started my search about six years ago pretty
>> much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with 20-30 year old
>> machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality and the high
>> degree of support I received in their Springfield store, on the phone and
>> during the order/shipment process. I received my saw 36 hours after I
>> placed the internet order.
>>
>> Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't will
>> badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a fully
>> integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If you buy
>> tools of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore content or
>> total off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old Powermatic 95A jointer
>> that clearly came from the east.
>>
>> RonB
>>
>> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:niQGg.2090$qI1.170@trndny04...
>>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>>> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a
>>> woodshop for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just
>>> can't find anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products
>>> and they haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor
>>> quality control, I challenged him on that and he waivered. He just
>>> wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>>
>>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>>
>>> TIA!
>>> Jim H.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Well Grizz will be sending me someone "local" to contact! So Thanks for
that tip!
Jim
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Z_1Hg.97375$LF4.61475@dukeread05...
> Raytheon Aircraft - Wichita Ks
>
>
> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:7U0Hg.2637$HW1.1100@trndny03...
>> Raytheon in Palo Alto by any chance??? I worked with them on Fiber Optics
>> and the Night Vision stuff!
>>
>> I will do that! The Hybrid is rather new. Getting the 1023SL is just
>> wasting a good saw, and the Hybrid is really a trade off. I considered
>> the Rigid, but way to much plastic, but it will cut 36" and it's own
>> dolly. I would actually have picked it up, but the fence was a sad fence,
>> and aftermarket fences would defeat the cost of the Rigid it's main
>> point! Honestly the solid base of the hybrid simply is cleaner and saves
>> me the trouble of assembling it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Jim.
>>
>>
>> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:460Hg.97372$LF4.87035@dukeread05...
>>>I forgot to mention - If you call Grizzly's service they will provide you
>>>with names and phone# of up to two people in your general area that have
>>>purchased the tool you are considering. I used this service and the
>>>conversations helped me decide. Also gives you a chance to touch the
>>>tool before buying.
>>>
>>> Take a look at the catalogue list of companies Griz does business with.
>>> I used to work for Raytheon and their wood modeling and tool shops are
>>> full of Grizzly tools.
>>>
>>> RonB
>>>
>>> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:0v%Gg.4134$zS2.1802@trndny01...
>>>> Yeah some folks here just have to run their sucks, with no knowledge or
>>>> experience and can't add crap to a conversation. American tools are
>>>> crap in Europe and Asian tools are crap in America. I doubt if any
>>>> manufacturer could claim 100% USA components, workmanship or assembly.
>>>> Basically only the stupid people will bad mouth Grizzly, because they
>>>> paid more for less on almost any other product.
>>>>
>>>> I've talked to almost every shop around they all spoke well of the Jet
>>>> Powermatic and General when asked about Grizzly they mostly didn't have
>>>> any experience with them, but they wouldn't slam it because they had no
>>>> experience and the ones who did have some experience simply said that
>>>> they are a good quality piece, at a good price. The Tool Sellers all
>>>> badmouthed Grizzly even though none owned or would admit owning one
>>>> (unlike the first kid, I was an honest seller and when asked a question
>>>> gave an honest answer, even if it hurt my sales) They all told me
>>>> pretty much the same exact song Poor Quality Control, Poor Service and
>>>> they're all the way in PA...(yeah like I'll just pick up the damn saw
>>>> and take it to him for repair) I'll ship to him as easily as PA! I
>>>> would never have bought Grizzly, didn't even know who they are. When I
>>>> finally go a catalog from a friend on a lark I bought a 19 dollar nail
>>>> gun, worked great, so in baby steps I bought various products over time
>>>> all completely satisfied. Then I got a bandsaw and a sliding router
>>>> table etc etc.I couldn't complain one bit and basically am laughing all
>>>> the way to the bank.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:Zl_Gg.97370$LF4.29293@dukeread05...
>>>>> Jim:
>>>>> I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S
>>>>> cabinet saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other
>>>>> grizzly sanders and other items. I started my search about six years
>>>>> ago pretty much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with
>>>>> 20-30 year old machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality
>>>>> and the high degree of support I received in their Springfield store,
>>>>> on the phone and during the order/shipment process. I received my saw
>>>>> 36 hours after I placed the internet order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't
>>>>> will badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a
>>>>> fully integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If
>>>>> you buy tools of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore
>>>>> content or total off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old
>>>>> Powermatic 95A jointer that clearly came from the east.
>>>>>
>>>>> RonB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:niQGg.2090$qI1.170@trndny04...
>>>>>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>>>>>> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a
>>>>>> woodshop for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just
>>>>>> can't find anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly
>>>>>> products and they haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly
>>>>>> had poor quality control, I challenged him on that and he waivered.
>>>>>> He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TIA!
>>>>>> Jim H.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Raytheon in Palo Alto by any chance??? I worked with them on Fiber Optics
and the Night Vision stuff!
I will do that! The Hybrid is rather new. Getting the 1023SL is just wasting
a good saw, and the Hybrid is really a trade off. I considered the Rigid,
but way to much plastic, but it will cut 36" and it's own dolly. I would
actually have picked it up, but the fence was a sad fence, and aftermarket
fences would defeat the cost of the Rigid it's main point! Honestly the
solid base of the hybrid simply is cleaner and saves me the trouble of
assembling it.
Thanks!
Jim.
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:460Hg.97372$LF4.87035@dukeread05...
>I forgot to mention - If you call Grizzly's service they will provide you
>with names and phone# of up to two people in your general area that have
>purchased the tool you are considering. I used this service and the
>conversations helped me decide. Also gives you a chance to touch the tool
>before buying.
>
> Take a look at the catalogue list of companies Griz does business with. I
> used to work for Raytheon and their wood modeling and tool shops are full
> of Grizzly tools.
>
> RonB
>
> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:0v%Gg.4134$zS2.1802@trndny01...
>> Yeah some folks here just have to run their sucks, with no knowledge or
>> experience and can't add crap to a conversation. American tools are crap
>> in Europe and Asian tools are crap in America. I doubt if any
>> manufacturer could claim 100% USA components, workmanship or assembly.
>> Basically only the stupid people will bad mouth Grizzly, because they
>> paid more for less on almost any other product.
>>
>> I've talked to almost every shop around they all spoke well of the Jet
>> Powermatic and General when asked about Grizzly they mostly didn't have
>> any experience with them, but they wouldn't slam it because they had no
>> experience and the ones who did have some experience simply said that
>> they are a good quality piece, at a good price. The Tool Sellers all
>> badmouthed Grizzly even though none owned or would admit owning one
>> (unlike the first kid, I was an honest seller and when asked a question
>> gave an honest answer, even if it hurt my sales) They all told me pretty
>> much the same exact song Poor Quality Control, Poor Service and they're
>> all the way in PA...(yeah like I'll just pick up the damn saw and take it
>> to him for repair) I'll ship to him as easily as PA! I would never have
>> bought Grizzly, didn't even know who they are. When I finally go a
>> catalog from a friend on a lark I bought a 19 dollar nail gun, worked
>> great, so in baby steps I bought various products over time all
>> completely satisfied. Then I got a bandsaw and a sliding router table etc
>> etc.I couldn't complain one bit and basically am laughing all the way to
>> the bank.
>>
>> Thanks, Jim
>>
>>
>> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:Zl_Gg.97370$LF4.29293@dukeread05...
>>> Jim:
>>> I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S
>>> cabinet saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other
>>> grizzly sanders and other items. I started my search about six years
>>> ago pretty much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with
>>> 20-30 year old machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality
>>> and the high degree of support I received in their Springfield store, on
>>> the phone and during the order/shipment process. I received my saw 36
>>> hours after I placed the internet order.
>>>
>>> Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't will
>>> badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a fully
>>> integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If you buy
>>> tools of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore content
>>> or total off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old Powermatic 95A
>>> jointer that clearly came from the east.
>>>
>>> RonB
>>>
>>> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:niQGg.2090$qI1.170@trndny04...
>>>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>>>> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a
>>>> woodshop for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just
>>>> can't find anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly
>>>> products and they haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had
>>>> poor quality control, I challenged him on that and he waivered. He just
>>>> wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>>>
>>>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>>>
>>>> TIA!
>>>> Jim H.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:1frHg.5979$jX.5360@trndny06...
> That is also a consideration with the Hybrid.
It will be kind of interesting to see how the hybrids take off in sales. I
am not sure who started the hybrid movement but the first one I noticed was
Delta. I suspect Delta saw some of their sales going to Grizzly. Also,
Sears came out with a so-called cabinet saw a couple of years ago; and the
Dewalt heavy duty machines might have nipped at Delta sales (it in itself is
a hybrid of sorts). All of these products sold well below the $1,500 to
1,700 price of the Unisaw at the time.
It is hard to see how Sears could justify the $1,100 price tag on their
"professional 10" saw" because the ones I looked at in the store looked a
lot like their lighter weight home shop saw with a better fence and a pretty
skirt. The Griz 1023, on the other hand, was a pretty good attempt to
re-engineer the Unisaw in a form that was available 10 years ago.
I think the hybrids can fill a good nitch for the user that wants to move up
from lighter-weight equipment but not commit $2,000 in doing so. This also
fits Grizzly's strategy. Cut out the retail chain, let the buyer pay
shipping and offer good products with less distribution expense.
RonB
And an unbiased observer. BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
See your life revolves around you being wrong, it comforts you.
Kid you wouldn't know class if it bit you in the ass, to you dishonesty and
ignorance are virtues!
"TBM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:p5wHg.2746$HW1.1223@trndny03...
>> Just had to ask? How many times did you vote for Bush? Small minds think
>> alike, and your both batting around zero/zip/nada! on the right scale,
>> I'd say your from Texas, but in your case that would be a step up! Must
>> be the mid-west!
>>
>
> Wow, you're a real class act.
>
> *PLONK*
>
Please Read Carefully;
Subject: "Before I leap, let me ask around! Buying the Grizzly G0478, any
current owners out there?
That is a specific question to "ANY CURRENT OWNERS (of the G0748) OUT THERE
See ref: Question Mark? See G0748
BF is neither a Grizzly owner much less of a G0478, and second hand
information relayed through 3rd party's is never reliable much less
admissable in a court of law.So the ONLY one's who were solicited would be
ANY CURRENT OWNERS of G0478!
On top of that he offers wrong and misleading advice... Every local shop
pretty much dumped Delta because of the purchase by B&D.
Then he actually feels he's astute enough to make false assumptions on my
part (Highly Insulting in the least) and WRONG AGAIN! I personally wanted
to purchase the Rigid until I examined it and it had to much plastic for my
desire. The next was a General at this point I wanted to see what Grizzly
had to offer, For the money it looked great, but BF didn't understand
much..... that the Hybrid is a NEW SAW, without a proven track record, so
it wasn't my FAVORITE choice, also the lack of any trade magazine comparison
and reviews also does not appear to place a + sign next to the Grizzly. This
Assumption He makes on my part simply proves he is both clueless and familar
with talking outa his ass. Nothing more, nothing less
BF states verbatim "I don't care, I'm buying the Grizzly"..
That sounds a lot like you. Not a slam on you, but if you want to buy
the Griz, go ahead, don't wait around for validation from us.
FALSE! So why am I asking? You can see that that assumption was false, Why
would I post then.
BF states verbatim "When the sales people explain the downside of Grizzly..
hard to get spare parts,
nowhere local to service it (if you need it)"
FALSE and dragging a 400 lb saw around can be heavy carrying to a local
service center huh?
BF states verbatim With Delta, Jet, Powematic, etc you won't have that
problem.
FALSE! ( Delta's B&D)
Where I come from, people know what their talking about, we make a great
deal of money on our accuracy and our recommendations to our clients. We
also know where our experiences lie and if we don't, we don't shoot off our
mouths, make statements of error, nor do we make false assumptions. We
simply ask questions................
Mis & Dis-information is a poor product of our time and the Internet.
Suppose I was naive, and took his advice?.... We don't have to make excuses
for it or tolerate it, and if you do, then you have to live with all the
errors. I, on the otherhand have a higher degree of acceptance.........
Then has the balls to tell me.......... I'm not Cordial? Ya just gotta laugh
at 'em
"TBM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:cEqHg.10264$6s.4021@trndny08...
>> Now your just making me laugh!
>>
>
> And an unbiased observer, I must say you are coming of very poor in this
> matter... you asked for opinions and you received them.
>
> This is your original post:
>
> "With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
> General
> and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
> hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
> wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't
> failed
> me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged
> him
> on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>
> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?"
>
> You clearly asked for opinions, bf related the experience of two grizzly
> product owners.
>
> It sounds like you are treating bf the same way you treated the
> salesman.... like someone who had already made up their mind. So what was
> the point in asking? So you could beat down anyone who said anything
> negative? If you didn't agree with him, you simply could have stated so
> and why. Everyone makes mistakes or gives out misinformation at one time
> or another.
>
> So I don't share the same fate, I think the G0478 is GREAT!
>
> Good day.
>
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Frank Howell wrote:
>> > I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
>> > need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
>>
>> Based on what? Got proof?
>
> Only ancedotal proof, talking to 2 people with older Grizzly stuff.
> Griz discontinued that model and no longer stocks replacement parts. I
> didn't ask how easy it is to get replacement parts for stuff that is
> still in production.
>
>
>> So how does calling Jet or Delta for replacement parts make Grizzly
>> deficient in that department? If I call Ford for lost or broken parts,
>> does
>> that automatically put Yugo in the category of not having parts?
>> Not saying that you're wrong, but I don't see any evidence that your
>> right.
>
> The point is that I can call Delta or Jet and get any part I need. Not
> always the case with Griz, although maybe my 2 friends are the
> exception. I'm not saying Griz is crap, I'm sure it's adequate for a
> lot of hobbyist, but you do get something for paying a little more for
> a name brand. I'm not a machinery expert, so I don't know if Griz does
> extra shortcuts in the manufacturing or not.
>
I have seen Grizzly in a lot of commercial shops and have not heard about
anybody having problems with parts. Grizzly makes a lot of commercial
equipment as well. This is far heavier than any hobby stuff.
As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that the
old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old Delta
machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't count on
Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
Three years ago or so my belt/disk sander broke after only 8 years of use. I
called Griz and they sent replacement parts no problem. Turned out the
sander had more problems then I had seen at first, new sander needed.
Called Griz, no sanders in stock, went through all avaible sources and no
sander in stock for a few weeks (some earthquake or something in Taiwan had
broken supply chain for a few weeks, and I had hit the middle of it).Called
Grizzly and asked if they had anything in stock at all, I had orders to get
out and couldn't wait for 3 to 4 weeks for the sander. They found a
returned unit shipped it to me with replacement parts as needed and took the
replacement parts for the broken sander back with out any problem. They
were the ones that suggested I send the parts I had ordered back to them for
a refund. You will have problems with Grizzly machines, You will have
problems with other brand machines. Grizzly has always given me as good or
better service then the other brands. I would buy the 1023z over the 478 if
it were me buying JMO.
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Tall Oak wrote:
> > With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
General
> > and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
> > hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find
anything
> > wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't
failed
> > me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged
him
> > on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for
$877.
> >
> > So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
> >
> > TIA!
> > Jim H.
>
> I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
> need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
>
> With Delta, Jet, Powematic, etc you won't have that problem.
>
> In all fairness to the sales guy, if he doesn't sell Grizzly, how do
> you expect him to argue its merits? I've been in a lot of stores where
> I've seen other people coming in and "looking" at all the saws there
> and then challenging the sales guy to beat the Grizzly price. When the
> sales people explain the downside of Grizzly.. hard to get spare parts,
> nowhere local to service it (if you need it), etc., the guy usually
> just leaves the store saying "I don't care, I'm buying the Grizzly"..
> That sounds a lot like you. Not a slam on you, but if you want to buy
> the Griz, go ahead, don't wait around for validation from us. Just be
> aware that there is a trade off. I had a big move 6 years ago, and it
> sure was nice to call Jet and Delta to get replacement parts for the
> pieces that got lost/broken in the move. Also, the "name" brands will
> have a lot better resale value if you ever decide to get out of the
> hobby.
>
>
> As for Delta. When black and Decker took them over, they declared that
> the old policy of stocking parts forever was going to stop. Those old
> Delta machines that run forever just won't make them enough money! Don't
> count on Delta for parts forever. That was the old Delta.
>
Same song Ryobi. I bought one of their 12-1/4' surface planers about 10
years ago. These older machines have a reputation for running and running
and running (not necessarily the newer stuff).
Neat part is I could buy a set of blades for about $14, until a couple of
years ago when they discontinued. When last checked, the aftermarket set
that replaces mine sells for $74. That put it pretty close to a keep or
sell decision until I learned that Delta makes a set that will fit it.
Maybe I had better stock up on the Delta blades.
RonB
Thanks!
"Joe Bemier" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:52:51 GMT, "Tall Oak"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>>General
>>and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
>>hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
>>wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't
>>failed
>>me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged
>>him
>>on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>
>>So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>
>>TIA!
>>Jim H.
>>
>
> Jim - I've posted many times before as to my support for Grizzly. IMO,
> they offer the finest balance of quality and price.
> I run a 12inch, 5hp RT machine and I could not be happier with the
> performance.
> I'd say - Go Grizzly!
Raytheon Aircraft - Wichita Ks
"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:7U0Hg.2637$HW1.1100@trndny03...
> Raytheon in Palo Alto by any chance??? I worked with them on Fiber Optics
> and the Night Vision stuff!
>
> I will do that! The Hybrid is rather new. Getting the 1023SL is just
> wasting a good saw, and the Hybrid is really a trade off. I considered the
> Rigid, but way to much plastic, but it will cut 36" and it's own dolly. I
> would actually have picked it up, but the fence was a sad fence, and
> aftermarket fences would defeat the cost of the Rigid it's main point!
> Honestly the solid base of the hybrid simply is cleaner and saves me the
> trouble of assembling it.
>
> Thanks!
> Jim.
>
>
> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:460Hg.97372$LF4.87035@dukeread05...
>>I forgot to mention - If you call Grizzly's service they will provide you
>>with names and phone# of up to two people in your general area that have
>>purchased the tool you are considering. I used this service and the
>>conversations helped me decide. Also gives you a chance to touch the tool
>>before buying.
>>
>> Take a look at the catalogue list of companies Griz does business with.
>> I used to work for Raytheon and their wood modeling and tool shops are
>> full of Grizzly tools.
>>
>> RonB
>>
>> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:0v%Gg.4134$zS2.1802@trndny01...
>>> Yeah some folks here just have to run their sucks, with no knowledge or
>>> experience and can't add crap to a conversation. American tools are crap
>>> in Europe and Asian tools are crap in America. I doubt if any
>>> manufacturer could claim 100% USA components, workmanship or assembly.
>>> Basically only the stupid people will bad mouth Grizzly, because they
>>> paid more for less on almost any other product.
>>>
>>> I've talked to almost every shop around they all spoke well of the Jet
>>> Powermatic and General when asked about Grizzly they mostly didn't have
>>> any experience with them, but they wouldn't slam it because they had no
>>> experience and the ones who did have some experience simply said that
>>> they are a good quality piece, at a good price. The Tool Sellers all
>>> badmouthed Grizzly even though none owned or would admit owning one
>>> (unlike the first kid, I was an honest seller and when asked a question
>>> gave an honest answer, even if it hurt my sales) They all told me pretty
>>> much the same exact song Poor Quality Control, Poor Service and they're
>>> all the way in PA...(yeah like I'll just pick up the damn saw and take
>>> it to him for repair) I'll ship to him as easily as PA! I would never
>>> have bought Grizzly, didn't even know who they are. When I finally go a
>>> catalog from a friend on a lark I bought a 19 dollar nail gun, worked
>>> great, so in baby steps I bought various products over time all
>>> completely satisfied. Then I got a bandsaw and a sliding router table
>>> etc etc.I couldn't complain one bit and basically am laughing all the
>>> way to the bank.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> "RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:Zl_Gg.97370$LF4.29293@dukeread05...
>>>> Jim:
>>>> I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S
>>>> cabinet saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other
>>>> grizzly sanders and other items. I started my search about six years
>>>> ago pretty much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with
>>>> 20-30 year old machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality
>>>> and the high degree of support I received in their Springfield store,
>>>> on the phone and during the order/shipment process. I received my saw
>>>> 36 hours after I placed the internet order.
>>>>
>>>> Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't
>>>> will badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a
>>>> fully integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If
>>>> you buy tools of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore
>>>> content or total off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old
>>>> Powermatic 95A jointer that clearly came from the east.
>>>>
>>>> RonB
>>>>
>>>> "Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:niQGg.2090$qI1.170@trndny04...
>>>>> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
>>>>> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a
>>>>> woodshop for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just
>>>>> can't find anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly
>>>>> products and they haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had
>>>>> poor quality control, I challenged him on that and he waivered. He
>>>>> just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>>>>>
>>>>> TIA!
>>>>> Jim H.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Jim:
I am not familiar with the G0478 but I have owned a Grizzly 1023S cabinet
saw for about five years and love it. I also own a few other grizzly
sanders and other items. I started my search about six years ago pretty
much predisposed to the Unisaw, based on experience with 20-30 year old
machines. I decided on the 1023 base on value, quality and the high degree
of support I received in their Springfield store, on the phone and during
the order/shipment process. I received my saw 36 hours after I placed the
internet order.
Many who own Grizzly products feel good about them. Many who don't will
badmouth them - largely based on its off-shore origin. I have a fully
integrated shop (Green, Grey, Beige and Baby-Poop Yellow). If you buy tools
of any of these colors today you'll likely get off-shore content or total
off-shore assembly. I have a 1-1/2 year old Powermatic 95A jointer that
clearly came from the east.
RonB
"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:niQGg.2090$qI1.170@trndny04...
> With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
> General and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop
> for a hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find
> anything wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they
> haven't failed me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control,
> I challenged him on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his
> Powermatic for $877.
>
> So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>
> TIA!
> Jim H.
>
Now your just making me laugh!
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
Yes, you did ask for my opinion. But if you're going to accuse me of
lying, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your Griz.
What Part of "ANY CURRENT OWNERS" did you fail to understand?
What Part of Delta being owned by B&D didn't you understand.
Make up all the shit you want kid. Apparently you appear to suffer from
bi-polar disorder....confuse easily and comprehension is batting around zero
. Have fun humping your cat, though!.....................and throw your
pants in the drier, you just keep pissing on yourself!
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Tall Oak wrote:
>> I'm not Cordial?
>
> Yeah, this is real cordial .. You said "What Part of "ANY CURRENT
> OWNERS" did you fail to understand? " When I relayed my experience in
> talking to other Griz owners. Then you or someone else accused me of
> spreading BS.
>
>
>>You should reconsider your
>> options, when you make false assumptions, ""I don't care, I'm buying the
>> Grizzly".. That sounds a lot like you".
>
> But that's exactly what happened. You went into all these stores, and
> basically said "Talk me out of buying a Grizzley", and then you
> expected them to be Grizzley experts. And guess what, I'm right, you
> already had you mind made up to buy a Grizzley, you just wanted some
> other Griz fans to validate your opinion. You sure jumped on my ass for
> daring to relate an experience that I thought might be helpful.
> And then, it's comical to take me to task for "wasting your time"..
> LOL, your time is so valuable that you can flame me for daring
> mentioning that 2 people I've talked to in my life have had problems
> getting Griz replacement parts. Guess what, it's not BS. I've moved
> around a lot in my life and been in 4 different wood working clubs.
> I've talked to a lot of people in this hobby. That doesn't make me an
> expert, but I was trying to share some information with you, dickhead.
> Have fun humping your Griz when it arrives.
>
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 03:52:51 GMT, "Tall Oak"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet. General
>and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
>hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find anything
>wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't failed
>me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I challenged him
>on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for $877.
>
>So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>
>TIA!
>Jim H.
>
Jim - I've posted many times before as to my support for Grizzly. IMO,
they offer the finest balance of quality and price.
I run a 12inch, 5hp RT machine and I could not be happier with the
performance.
I'd say - Go Grizzly!
What Part of "ANY CURRENT OWNERS" did you fail to understand?
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Tall Oak wrote:
>
>> I can speak for Grizzly, simply because I have other pieces of equipment,
>> and haven't had an issue with parts or service before. So you make a lot
>> of
>> unfounded fabricated BS statements. See I wasn't looking for your or
>> anyones
>> validation.
>
> Yes, you did ask for my opinion. But if you're going to accuse me of
> lying, I'm done with this thread. Enjoy your Griz.
>
Just had to ask? How many times did you vote for Bush? Small minds think
alike, and your both batting around zero/zip/nada! on the right scale, I'd
say your from Texas, but in your case that would be a step up! Must be the
mid-west!
TaTa!
"bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> TBM wrote:
>>> And an unbiased observer, I must say you are coming of very poor in this
>> matter... you asked for opinions and you received them.
>>
>
> Thanks man.. I guess we should make sure everything we tell Tall Oaks
> is "admissable in a court of law" as that's his criteria LOL.
>
I'm doing a comparison now examining the General 50-220C ~$899. I think I'd
grab the General Contractor over the Grizzlys Contractor, but still the
Grizzly Hybrid is both a blessing and a concern, something about the drive
mechanism that I have to look over a little more carefully, but still a
better cost! I'd like to know who is doing the manufacturing for Grizzly
overseas, I could atleast see who the manufacterer builds for or have
someone go visit for me. China is most likely doing the grunt work in the
least, the castings, I'll have to ask around I have relatives who own a
couple of shops in HK & Mainland.
As for Craftsman, I just feel sorry for them. Honestly they could have
easily dominated the US tool market with all their stores, but as it helped
build the Sears/Craftsman label, the desire to expand both market place and
product line. Something had to give and it was just the tools, appliances
are next.. When I looked at Craftsman saws a few years back and just noted
how sad it was.
The bottom line being when you accept less, your going to get less and that
goes for tools, coffee and even freedom, it's not about the product, but
what they can sell you and what you'll buy! Quality is always the first to
go!
"RonB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>"Tall Oak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> That is also a consideration with the Hybrid.
>
> It will be kind of interesting to see how the hybrids take off in sales.
> I am not sure who started the hybrid movement but the first one I noticed
> was Delta. I suspect Delta saw some of their sales going to Grizzly.
> Also, Sears came out with a so-called cabinet saw a couple of years ago;
> and the Dewalt heavy duty machines might have nipped at Delta sales (it in
> itself is a hybrid of sorts). All of these products sold well below the
> $1,500 to 1,700 price of the Unisaw at the time.
>
> It is hard to see how Sears could justify the $1,100 price tag on their
> "professional 10" saw" because the ones I looked at in the store looked a
> lot like their lighter weight home shop saw with a better fence and a
> pretty skirt. The Griz 1023, on the other hand, was a pretty good attempt
> to re-engineer the Unisaw in a form that was available 10 years ago.
>
> I think the hybrids can fill a good nitch for the user that wants to move
> up from lighter-weight equipment but not commit $2,000 in doing so. This
> also fits Grizzly's strategy. Cut out the retail chain, let the buyer pay
> shipping and offer good products with less distribution expense.
>
> RonB
>
I concur my experiences with Grizzly have been always professional! I was
looking at the 1023, but that's just way to much saw for my needs.
Essentually, I'm simply replacing a 99 buck table saw I've had since 78, and
a circular saw, that have served my every need. All I'm doing is making a
couple of cabinets, and think it's about time to upgrade. Money isn't a real
issue, but I do have to be real about how much I'm going to use it versus my
investement.
Thanks!
"sweetsawdust" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Three years ago or so my belt/disk sander broke after only 8 years of use.
> I
> called Griz and they sent replacement parts no problem. Turned out the
> sander had more problems then I had seen at first, new sander needed.
> Called Griz, no sanders in stock, went through all avaible sources and no
> sander in stock for a few weeks (some earthquake or something in Taiwan
> had
> broken supply chain for a few weeks, and I had hit the middle of
> it).Called
> Grizzly and asked if they had anything in stock at all, I had orders to
> get
> out and couldn't wait for 3 to 4 weeks for the sander. They found a
> returned unit shipped it to me with replacement parts as needed and took
> the
> replacement parts for the broken sander back with out any problem. They
> were the ones that suggested I send the parts I had ordered back to them
> for
> a refund. You will have problems with Grizzly machines, You will have
> problems with other brand machines. Grizzly has always given me as good
> or
> better service then the other brands. I would buy the 1023z over the 478
> if
> it were me buying JMO.
> "bf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Tall Oak wrote:
>> > With everything it's a little over a Grand. I've looked at the Jet.
> General
>> > and Powermatic (along with Rigid & Delta) There wasn't a woodshop for a
>> > hundred miles that would recommend the later 2. I just can't find
> anything
>> > wrong with the Grizzly. I own other Grizzly products and they haven't
> failed
>> > me. One sales guy told me Grizzly had poor quality control, I
>> > challenged
> him
>> > on that and he waivered. He just wanted me to buy his Powermatic for
> $877.
>> >
>> > So what's your opinion on this bad bear?
>> >
>> > TIA!
>> > Jim H.
>>
>> I don't have it, but one disadvantage with Grizzly is that when you
>> need a part 7 years down the road, they probably won't have it.
>>
>> With Delta, Jet, Powematic, etc you won't have that problem.
>>
>> In all fairness to the sales guy, if he doesn't sell Grizzly, how do
>> you expect him to argue its merits? I've been in a lot of stores where
>> I've seen other people coming in and "looking" at all the saws there
>> and then challenging the sales guy to beat the Grizzly price. When the
>> sales people explain the downside of Grizzly.. hard to get spare parts,
>> nowhere local to service it (if you need it), etc., the guy usually
>> just leaves the store saying "I don't care, I'm buying the Grizzly"..
>> That sounds a lot like you. Not a slam on you, but if you want to buy
>> the Griz, go ahead, don't wait around for validation from us. Just be
>> aware that there is a trade off. I had a big move 6 years ago, and it
>> sure was nice to call Jet and Delta to get replacement parts for the
>> pieces that got lost/broken in the move. Also, the "name" brands will
>> have a lot better resale value if you ever decide to get out of the
>> hobby.
>>
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