On May 22, 11:08 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> boobies...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Tits
--
FF
On May 27, 9:43=A0pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 27, 6:49 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > We are not so continental down 'hyaa. Certain small areas of some
> > > beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
> > > boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
>
> =A0 =A0 Nailshooter speaks of Hippie Hollow on Lake Travis. /:o)
>
>
>
> > Here on the left coast, there are beaches that allow full taste of
> > available sunlight.
>
> > Lew
>
> =A0 =A0 Evidence, Lew! =A0Photos, please.
>
> ....and isn't this kind of thread more enjoyable that all that
> political bullshit?
>
> Dave in Houston
This thread is useless without photographic evidence.
On May 24, 2:47=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 23, 7:35 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Robert, you ol' tongue-in-cheek-bugger-you.
>
> =A0 ;^)
>
> > Btw.. we have a law here in Ontario where boobies are allowed sunlight.
>
> We are not so continental down 'hyaa. =A0Certain small areas of some
> beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
> boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
>
> I was glad you didn't post anything about dreaming of a nuthatch....
>
> *shudder*
>
> Robert
=2E..or worse... a woodpecker.
On May 27, 11:34=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Dave in Houston" wrote:
> > Was just out there end of January-early February. =A0Drove the PCH
> > from L.A. all the way to Pacifica and didn't see one bared boob (not
> > counting Bush on TV).
>
> Winter time is not beach season unless you are a surfer with a wet
> suit.
>
> > I doubt it's the $4/dal gas, Lew. =A0I think it's your age! =A0Too old
> > to care anymore.
>
> Try $3.95/gal cash price last Friday when I filled up.
>
> Add $0.15/gal for credit card purchase.
>
> Your right, my days of driving 35K miles/yr are history.
>
I drive for sport. Not competition, that game is very expensive. But I
know where there are some nice roads up in the Bruce Peninsula and
just love pushing some horses through the gears.
I drive, even if I have nowhere in particular to go. It relaxes me,
unlike some of my passengers.<G>
But only in summer. I absolutely despise having to go out in the snow.
I have rented decent cars in Europe, and the fuel bills have always
been staggering so these prices are annoying, but not unexpected. But
Quattroporte rentals at 9 mpg are over for this hombre.
I do pity the poor owners of RV's and "stink-box' boats. I see LOTS of
them for sale around here.
What really sucks, is that so many people had that in their retirement
dreams. Pack up mom and hit the road; see the continent. I truly feel
for them and I'm not being sarcastic.
Some leasing companies are feeling the pinch too as their expected
sell-out values are dropping well below expected actuarial numbers...
especially stuff like Avalanche and big iron like that.
I had a recent WTF-moment when I held a $ 4.00 loaf of bread in my
hands.
r
On May 23, 7:35 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robert, you ol' tongue-in-cheek-bugger-you.
;^)
> Btw.. we have a law here in Ontario where boobies are allowed sunlight.
We are not so continental down 'hyaa. Certain small areas of some
beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
I was glad you didn't post anything about dreaming of a nuthatch....
*shudder*
Robert
On May 23, 12:16=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 22, 10:08 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > boobies...
>
> I've heard of people like you.
>
> Never understood it though. =A0But hey...
>
> =A0http://tinyurl.com/5ezyuk
>
> Check out the one farther down the page with the blue shoes. =A0It might
> really float your boat!
>
> Robert
Robert, you ol' tongue-in-cheek-bugger-you. NOW you have me looking at
Leitz and Nikon Bino's, so I can observe boobies in free air.
Btw.. we have a law here in Ontario where boobies are allowed sunlight.
On May 27, 6:49=A0pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > We are not so continental down 'hyaa. =A0Certain small areas of some
> > beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
> > boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
>
> Here on the left coast, there are beaches that allow full taste of
> available sunlight.
>
> Lew
=2E...and isn't this kind of thread more enjoyable that all that
political bullshit?
*raises a wee dram*
On May 23, 4:17 pm, "CM" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hairy man boobies or smooth firm woman boobies???
>
> cm"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:c66cf7f1-ad2f-407f-a5af-81df499825b0@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > boobies...
Dreaming, not 'nightmaring.'
--
FF
"dpb" wrote:
> And more of a problem the transmission and distribution becomes. We
> haven't even mentioned the problem of voltage regulation on the grid
> when wind generation becomes a sizable fraction of the total and the
> problem of a sudden drop in wind speed (which event happened last
> summer in the TX panhandle and led to nearly losing a sizable
> portion of a grid from the sudden voltage sag).
> It is again superficially naive to address the variabilities in wind
> as simply a "design parameter" -- there somehow has to be _reliable_
> baseload generation available for the contingencies and wind can't
> be relied on to backup wind.
Now if only a suitable battery bank existed.
This entire subject is very near and dear to a cruising sailor.
Wind turbine, solar, and engine-generator are all found onboard in
various configurations.
> Again, it has a place, but is not going to be the panacea some would
> wish for no matter how earnestly they hope. Technology can't
> control the fuel source in this case. (The wind is still going to
> be sporadic (particularly in winter and mid-summer) and the sun
> still goes down at night when we would generally like to have
> lights. We still don't have cost-effective ways to store large
> quantities so it has to be generated on demand).
Wouldn't batteries be nice?
Maybe someday.
At this point,we are at least 30 years behind in developing alternate
energy sources and all approaches need to be on the table.
> We can only wish -- it was one of the most advanced coal plants that
> even included a developmental biofuel (algae) generation project as
> part of the plan that the governor vetoed... :(
How much oil in your state?
> Which, of course, means the 40 yr old plants and gas turbines it
> would have replaced are still going to be there for the foreseeable
> future and meanwhile the city folks are building casinos,
> racetracks, shopping malls and a zillion other profligate wasters of
> power but feeling good about "protecting the environment" while
> we're strapped for power on the other end of the state.
Interesting to see how GE is betting on the future.
They have been a major turbine/generator as well as propulsion turbine
supplier for years and now are investing heavily in wind turbines.
Wonder what else they are investigating?
Lew
<[email protected]> wrote:
> We are not so continental down 'hyaa. Certain small areas of some
> beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
> boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
Here on the left coast, there are beaches that allow full taste of
available sunlight.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:zp4%j.9558$ED6.1410@trnddc02...
> Try $3.95/gal cash price last Friday when I filled up.
>
> Add $0.15/gal for credit card purchase.
>
> Your right, my days of driving 35K miles/yr are history.
Nice dodge, Lew.
$150 to fill the PowerStroke up weekend before last! Yet another
personal record high. 16 gallons of mid-grade unleaded for the tractor and
riding mower was another $56.
Dave in Houston
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jvd%j.10222$ED6.3101@trnddc02...
>
> "Dave in Houston" wrote:
>
>
>> $150 to fill the PowerStroke up weekend before last! Yet another
>> personal record high. 16 gallons of mid-grade unleaded for the tractor
>> and riding mower was another $56.
>
> I hate to say it but it looks like current crude prices are here to stay
> for awhile.
>
> Are there games being played to manipulate the price other than normal
> supply/demand forces?
>
> Maybe.
>
> It looks like these fuel prices are finally forcing the market to look at
> alternate energy sources.
>
> As one Illinois farmer commented to me recently, "Wind mills are coming
> out of the ground around here like dandelions in spring, and they are easy
> to farm around".
>
> There is hope.
Actually, we (and surrounding ranchers/landowners) have been approached
about the very subject, our ranch being about a 100 miles inland from the
Texas coast. Negotiations are about to get under way.
I wonder can I get some 3-phase plugs on some of those babies?
Dave in Houston
Hairy man boobies or smooth firm woman boobies???
cm
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:c66cf7f1-ad2f-407f-a5af-81df499825b0@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> boobies...
On May 23, 12:13=A0pm, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
> summer.
>
> It snowed up here yesterday with more forecast for today. =A0The current
> temp at my house is 30dF and raining. =A0We quit discriminating against
> gay folks getting married and the weather goes to hell in a handbasket.
> =A0 What is this world coming to. =A0Are these the end days?
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 whimper,
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 jo4hn
My original post and now this. Please connect the boobies..I mean dots.
On May 22, 10:08 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> boobies...
I've heard of people like you.
Never understood it though. But hey...
http://tinyurl.com/5ezyuk
Check out the one farther down the page with the blue shoes. It might
really float your boat!
Robert
On May 23, 12:47=A0pm, Fred the Red Shirt <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 22, 11:08 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > boobies...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Tits
>
> --
>
> FF
They're cute-and-all, but I would NOT call them GREAT tits.
Lew Hodgett wrote:
...
> As one Illinois farmer commented to me recently, "Wind mills are
> coming out of the ground around here like dandelions in spring, and
> they are easy to farm around".
>
> There is hope.
Much of which is overly optimistic -- owing to the flap here over the
Guv's appointee denying a permit for a new power plant (I'll not go into
the details of the east vs west/populated vs rural battle that is really
behind most of it), I looked at the record of the Gray County wind farm
near Dodge City, KS, one of the windiest consistent locations in the US
in the DOE studies for wind farm siting.
In the six years of operation since it went on line (170 towers, 112.2
MW rated output, one of the more sizable), it has averaged 40% capacity
factor and has had months during which its output was only 20% of
capacity. Consequently, it would take 2.5X the installed capacity to
have a 50-50 shot at having the desired generation output on average and
5X for some months.
It is a fact of some problem that for baseload generation one needs 24/7
reliability and wind doesn't provide that even in historically windy
places. Consequently, one still needs to have reserve generation and
however one decides to do that it is expensive because one essentially
has to have double the installed capacity required. The other kicker is
that reserve in these cases generally ends up being gas turbines, thus
adding to the demand for already shrinking natural gas reserves.
Solar, wind, other alternative sources have their place but they're not
the panacea many would like to believe (I think wish is more
appropriate, unfortunately) they are.
--
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "dpb" wrote:
>
>> Much of which is overly optimistic -- owing to the flap here over
>> the Guv's appointee denying a permit for a new power plant (I'll not
>> go into the details of the east vs west/populated vs rural battle
>> that is really behind most of it)
>
> Sounds like a case of whose ox is being gored.
I'll not delve into it, but it's ugly... :(
...
> As a cruising sailor, can certainly appreciate how fickle the wind can
> be.
>
> It always seems to be blowing where I'm not, but that is simply a
> design parameter for a wind turbine "Farm".
>
> The more the connected sources, the less the problem becomes.
And more of a problem the transmission and distribution becomes. We
haven't even mentioned the problem of voltage regulation on the grid
when wind generation becomes a sizable fraction of the total and the
problem of a sudden drop in wind speed (which event happened last summer
in the TX panhandle and led to nearly losing a sizable portion of a grid
from the sudden voltage sag).
It is again superficially naive to address the variabilities in wind as
simply a "design parameter" -- there somehow has to be _reliable_
baseload generation available for the contingencies and wind can't be
relied on to backup wind.
Dad spent 50 years on the board of our local electric co-op and our
closest neighbor took his spot when he retired (before I returned to the
farm) so I've kept very closely in touch w/ the problems and benefits.
> As the technology improves, the more viable both wind and solar
> becomes.
Again, it has a place, but is not going to be the panacea some would
wish for no matter how earnestly they hope. Technology can't control
the fuel source in this case. (The wind is still going to be sporadic
(particularly in winter and mid-summer) and the sun still goes down at
night when we would generally like to have lights. We still don't have
cost-effective ways to store large quantities so it has to be generated
on demand).
> Clean coal offers tremendous potential, maybe $150/bbl oil will
> provide the incentive to get on with the development.
We can only wish -- it was one of the most advanced coal plants that
even included a developmental biofuel (algae) generation project as part
of the plan that the governor vetoed... :(
Which, of course, means the 40 yr old plants and gas turbines it would
have replaced are still going to be there for the foreseeable future and
meanwhile the city folks are building casinos, racetracks, shopping
malls and a zillion other profligate wasters of power but feeling good
about "protecting the environment" while we're strapped for power on the
other end of the state.
--
Dave in Houston wrote:
...
> Actually, we (and surrounding ranchers/landowners) have been approached
> about the very subject, our ranch being about a 100 miles inland from the
> Texas coast. Negotiations are about to get under way.
...
Be _very_ careful about the agreements you sign. Early ones around here
were pretty good and balanced; later offerings have had quite onerous
provisions buried in them -- like no revenue sharing from generation,
unlimited lifetime, no eventual site remediation responsibilities,
right-of-way easements at the developers' whim instead of constrained so
that farming/ranching operations can be carried out efficiently, etc.,
etc., etc., ...
Experienced lawyers on _your_ payroll are mandatory imo before you even
begin to talk halfway seriously. I would recommend forming a group of
the affected landowners and go at it as a bloc rather than individually.
--
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "dpb" wrote:
>
>> And more of a problem the transmission and distribution becomes. We
>> haven't even mentioned the problem of voltage regulation on the grid
>> when wind generation becomes a sizable fraction of the total and the
>> problem of a sudden drop in wind speed (which event happened last
>> summer in the TX panhandle and led to nearly losing a sizable
>> portion of a grid from the sudden voltage sag).
>> It is again superficially naive to address the variabilities in wind
>> as simply a "design parameter" -- there somehow has to be _reliable_
>> baseload generation available for the contingencies and wind can't
>> be relied on to backup wind.
>
> Now if only a suitable battery bank existed.
>
> This entire subject is very near and dear to a cruising sailor.
>
> Wind turbine, solar, and engine-generator are all found onboard in
> various configurations.
>
>> Again, it has a place, but is not going to be the panacea some would
>> wish for no matter how earnestly they hope. Technology can't
>> control the fuel source in this case. (The wind is still going to
>> be sporadic (particularly in winter and mid-summer) and the sun
>> still goes down at night when we would generally like to have
>> lights. We still don't have cost-effective ways to store large
>> quantities so it has to be generated on demand).
>
> Wouldn't batteries be nice?
>
> Maybe someday.
>
> At this point,we are at least 30 years behind in developing alternate
> energy sources and all approaches need to be on the table.
>
>> We can only wish -- it was one of the most advanced coal plants that
>> even included a developmental biofuel (algae) generation project as
>> part of the plan that the governor vetoed... :(
>
> How much oil in your state?
Negligible in the big scheme of things -- it's mostly natural gas and
those are dwindling in production--they've even resorted to pulling
vacuum on many as there no longer is enough positive pressure to make
them productive. What oil "exploration" is ongoing is mostly coming in
and reopening "dry" holes that were of insufficient production levels
when drilled in the 50's and 60's and were, therefore, simply capped at
that time. There are a few wildcat rigs in operation, but not a great
number. Mind you, it looks like a boom again in comparison to the
previous 20 years when new production was absolutely dead, but it's long
from what it was in the 60s and even early 70s. The supply of crude is
tight enough the only refineries in the state were shut down because it
was too costly to tank/truck in enough to keep them in operation.
>> Which, of course, means the 40 yr old plants and gas turbines it
>> would have replaced are still going to be there for the foreseeable
>> future and meanwhile the city folks are building casinos,
>> racetracks, shopping malls and a zillion other profligate wasters of
>> power but feeling good about "protecting the environment" while
>> we're strapped for power on the other end of the state.
>
> Interesting to see how GE is betting on the future.
>
> They have been a major turbine/generator as well as propulsion turbine
> supplier for years and now are investing heavily in wind turbines.
They have been for a long time altho the Germans are far in the lead in
the field--all around here that have been installed since 2000 (must be
nearly a 1000 towers by now from the north TX panhandle above Amarillo
to Dodge City, KS) are German.
The problem in the area I'm in is that we're so short on excess
transmission capacity there's no interest in building further because
the cost of also building transmission lines makes it completely
cost-prohibitive. That's the other (and perhaps even the biggest)
short-sighted effect of the denial of permits for the Holcomb
station--it would have been the impetus for new HV transmission lines
heading west and south which would have also brought in the interest for
further development of wind--the Guv's pet project except in killing one
coal station she inadvertently killed any chance of significant
additional wind development in the western half of the state (where the
wind is, coincidentally).
Ah, well, that's a greenie for ya'. She's fishing for a spot in DC come
January and thinks this is her meal ticket. :(
--
> Wonder what else they are investigating?
Most everything. I spent last 15 years of my career before returning to
the farm after Dad died consulting for EPRI. They are, of course, the
research coordinating organization funded by the electric utilities and
one of their prime areas has been alternative sources for years.
There's a lot of far out stuff going on in places besides the big guys
like GE, etc. that is in many ways more innovative than much of what
they're doing--of course, they have stuff in their own skunk works and
rarely bring that kind of thing to EPRI for funding given their own
resources.
--
dpb wrote:
...
>> Wouldn't batteries be nice?
>>
>> Maybe someday.
Actually, we've been there and done that and it wasn't so nice... :)
Before we were on REA (mid-1948) we had old Delco "wind-charger". They
were 32V DC systems and included a whole room full of storage batteries
in the basement of grandparents' house. Not exactly a friendly thing to
have what w/ H off-gassing and the potential for acid spills, etc.,
etc., etc., ... All in all, I'll take the grid, thank you very much. :)
...
>> How much oil in your state?
>
> Negligible in the big scheme of things -- it's mostly natural gas and
> those are dwindling in production--they've even resorted to pulling
> vacuum on many as there no longer is enough positive pressure to make
> them productive. ...
Which is a prime contributing factor in the rise in electric demand--the
loss of wellhead gas has impacted large numbers of irrigation wells and
at the current prices for diesel and LPG, electric is quite cost
competitive if not the outright winner. Our REC has had requests for
almost 100 new irrigation hook ups this spring already and we expect
that to only increase. We're already so short on power and transmission
capability we'll have to put them on remote-controlled interruptible
service as couldn't otherwise supply them the extra capacity.
That again, doesn't bother the Guv in her mansion in Topeka nor the KC
or Wichita legislators pandering to their populist political base. Nor,
of course, does it bother them the least that their rates are 60% of
ours. :(
--
"dpb" wrote:
> Much of which is overly optimistic -- owing to the flap here over
> the Guv's appointee denying a permit for a new power plant (I'll not
> go into the details of the east vs west/populated vs rural battle
> that is really behind most of it)
Sounds like a case of whose ox is being gored.
> I looked at the record of the Gray County wind farm near Dodge City,
> KS, one of the windiest consistent locations in the US in the DOE
> studies for wind farm siting.
>
> In the six years of operation since it went on line (170 towers,
> 112.2 MW rated output, one of the more sizable), it has averaged 40%
> capacity factor and has had months during which its output was only
> 20% of capacity. Consequently, it would take 2.5X the installed
> capacity to have a 50-50 shot at having the desired generation
> output on average and 5X for some months.
>
> It is a fact of some problem that for baseload generation one needs
> 24/7 reliability and wind doesn't provide that even in historically
> windy places. Consequently, one still needs to have reserve
> generation and however one decides to do that it is expensive
> because one essentially has to have double the installed capacity
> required. The other kicker is that reserve in these cases generally
> ends up being gas turbines, thus adding to the demand for already
> shrinking natural gas reserves.
>
> Solar, wind, other alternative sources have their place but they're
> not the panacea many would like to believe (I think wish is more
> appropriate, unfortunately) they are.
As a cruising sailor, can certainly appreciate how fickle the wind can
be.
It always seems to be blowing where I'm not, but that is simply a
design parameter for a wind turbine "Farm".
The more the connected sources, the less the problem becomes.
As the technology improves, the more viable both wind and solar
becomes.
Clean coal offers tremendous potential, maybe $150/bbl oil will
provide the incentive to get on with the development.
Lew
"Dave in Houston" wrote:
> $150 to fill the PowerStroke up weekend before last! Yet another
> personal record high. 16 gallons of mid-grade unleaded for the
> tractor and riding mower was another $56.
I hate to say it but it looks like current crude prices are here to
stay for awhile.
Are there games being played to manipulate the price other than normal
supply/demand forces?
Maybe.
It looks like these fuel prices are finally forcing the market to look
at alternate energy sources.
As one Illinois farmer commented to me recently, "Wind mills are
coming out of the ground around here like dandelions in spring, and
they are easy to farm around".
There is hope.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:hp3%j.3471$fk.622@trnddc06...
>
> "Dave in Houston" wrote:
>
>
>> Evidence, Lew! Photos, please.
>
>
> At $4+/gal, 2-3 hours of driving each way unless you get lucky, I lose
> interest in a hurry.
>
> You will either accept my word for it or check it out yourself.
>
> You need an excuse to get out of Houston this time of year anyway, don't
> you<G>
Was just out there end of January-early February. Drove the PCH from L.A.
all the way to Pacifica and didn't see one bared boob (not counting Bush on
TV).
I doubt it's the $4/dal gas, Lew. I think it's your age! Too old to care
anymore.
/:o))))))
Dave in Houston
On May 27, 6:49 pm, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > We are not so continental down 'hyaa. Certain small areas of some
> > beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
> > boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
Nailshooter speaks of Hippie Hollow on Lake Travis. /:o)
>
> Here on the left coast, there are beaches that allow full taste of
> available sunlight.
>
> Lew
Evidence, Lew! Photos, please.
....and isn't this kind of thread more enjoyable that all that
political bullshit?
Dave in Houston
This is sad, but funny (and NOT a joke). A few years back, a guy I work
with developed cancer of the penis. He underwent radiation therapy but the
worst case scenario came to pass - amputation. He handled it (no pun
intended) well, with the help of Prozac, but we all decided to help him cope
anyway with a bunch of gag gifts. George (an auto shop teacher) got him a
Snap-On tool catalog and I (wood shop teacher) did a bit of off-center
turning and made him a good sized "member" out of some really dark walnut.
I can't really recall some of the other gifts, but the woodpecker comment
made me remember the event.
Glen
--
"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's
just that they know so much that isn't so."
- Ronald Reagan
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 24, 2:47 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 23, 7:35 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Robert, you ol' tongue-in-cheek-bugger-you.
>
> ;^)
>
> > Btw.. we have a law here in Ontario where boobies are allowed sunlight.
>
> We are not so continental down 'hyaa. Certain small areas of some
> beaches, and of course areas of certain lakes near the college towns
> boobies may taste the sweet sunlight.
>
> I was glad you didn't post anything about dreaming of a nuthatch....
>
> *shudder*
>
> Robert
...or worse... a woodpecker.
"Dave in Houston" wrote:
> Was just out there end of January-early February. Drove the PCH
> from L.A. all the way to Pacifica and didn't see one bared boob (not
> counting Bush on TV).
Winter time is not beach season unless you are a surfer with a wet
suit.
> I doubt it's the $4/dal gas, Lew. I think it's your age! Too old
> to care anymore.
Try $3.95/gal cash price last Friday when I filled up.
Add $0.15/gal for credit card purchase.
Your right, my days of driving 35K miles/yr are history.
Lew