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jo4hn

07/11/2003 6:35 PM

OT:Living with the forest fire

I haven't been posting or reading for nearly two weeks now. I do have a
reason. The following is a short reminiscence on my family’s
experiences with the recent forest fires in Southern California. We do
live in interesting times.

The Forests

The forests here are not unlike those abutting other communities in
other parts of the country. They have too many trees towering above
thick undergrowth; in short, fuel. Add to this a bark beetle
infestation that has been killing off drought weakened pines.

No one wants his home to burn down, so fire suppression is the rule of
the day. Fast moving cool fires taking out sparse undergrowth have been
replaced with very hot, more disastrous fires. Flares moving through
the tops of the trees send out embers to start fires in the undergrowth,
sometimes miles away.

The Weather

This area boasts of a weather phenomenon known as the Santa Ana winds.
These winds are formed when a high pressure area forms to the north and
east over Nevada and Utah. As the air sinks, it is forced down the
slope of California's coastal mountains, gathering speed as it shoots
through narrow canyon passes and rising in temperature as it compresses.
Fall days with temperatures in the 90s and humidity in single digits
are not uncommon.

In Raymond Chandler's "Red Wind," he describes the Santa Anas as winds
that "curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On
nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives
feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husband’s necks.
Anything can happen."

And when a lost hunter shoots off a flare to invite rescue, or when a
burning cigarette is thrown from a car, or when someone throws an
incendiary device into dry brush, it happens.

The Fire

For us, it all started sometime in the middle of the week of 19 October.
Forecasts of rising temperatures, low humidity, and high winds, put
everybody’s nerves on edge. We start to pack photo albums into boxes
and to move these and a small file of papers into the garage. On
Saturday, we attend the Breeder’s Cup horse races at Santa Anita in
Arcadia. There is one fire (the “Grand Prix” fire) burning. It has
burned to the edge of the road and has turned day into night with smoke.
But since it is many miles away from our home, no problem.

On the way back, a second fire (the “Old” fire) has been started by an
arsonist and is spreading rapidly. The highway to our town is open only
to residents. By Sunday, our car and pickup truck are packed with
keepsakes and impedimentia. Late Sunday, we have decided that nothing
will happen tonight and Margaret goes to bed. A knock on the door, and
a quiet evening is put aside. Coffee is brewed, the cats are rounded
up and put into their carrying cases, a few last minute items are saved,
good-byes are said to the neighbors, and we are off to our youngest
daughter’s house (cats are welcome there). An hour and a half trip is
doubled due to the route we must take to avoid flames. We arrive safely
and bed down for the night.

Family and friends are really wonderful at a time like this. All the
kids and siblings were willing to have us (most did not want the cats).
Friends tried to reach us by phone and email to see how we were and if
we needed anything. It is a great feeling not to feel alone.

Finding information on the fire is easy. Finding valid and detailed
information is difficult. Television news loves shots of flames soaring
into the heavens, interviews with exhausted fire fighters, and
predictions of doom and gloom. We head for the internet and settle on
http://www.rimoftheworld.net/ as our best overall source of what is
really happening. We read and post on the Green Valley Lake bulletin
board, study the burn map, and avidly read what Ranger Al (a genuine
folk hero) has to say. If you will now turn to the burn map
(http://www.rimoftheworld.net/features/burn), look at the right hand
side for the hamlet of Running Springs. Just above that is a road
leading seemingly to nowhere. At the end of that road is (honest) Green
Valley Lake.

As the week went on, the Santa Anas faded and were replace by an
on-shore flow. The temperatures cooled, humidity went up, but the
direction changed, and the fires stopped ravaging the foothill
communities and focused instead on the mountains. Highway 18, which
runs along the top of the mountain range became the “battleground”.
Rimforest, Skyforest, and parts of Crestline burned. These communities
were still to the west of us. Then finally fuel and wind and the fire
jumped the highway and headed for Lake Arrowhead and environs. The
Cedar Glen area and other canyon communities were heavily damaged. The
fires headed north and east towards Running Springs to the south of us
and into the Deep Creek drainage basin to the west. Nervous time.

Then towards the end of the week, it snowed. Hallelujah. The
temperature dropped 60 degF in a few days and moisture fell. The fires
were slowed but not out. Arrival of more firefighters and equipment
from other states allowed more resources to be applied to the local
fires. One by one, the news crews were pulled from the Los Angeles and
Ventura county fires. Soon only a few were left and were covering our
plight.

At last! On Monday, November 3, the mandatory evacuation order Green
Valley Lake was lifted. On Tuesday, Margaret and I, the cats, and a
newly purchased gasoline powered generator headed home. It was as we
had left it. We unpacked and hooked up the generator to the essentials:
the furnace, a lamp, and the television. It being an absolutely
gorgeous fall day, we walked to “downtown” and chatted with a few other
locals who had made it back. It’s good to be home. Thanks be to God,
we were spared. One thing I learned is that being away from home
voluntarily is much different than being forced out.

The heavy rains forecast for this weekend have been revised to scattered
showers. This could have led to mud slides and an even greater disaster.

Santa Ana winds are forecast for Wednesday.


This topic has 10 replies

Gs

"George"

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

10/11/2003 7:10 AM

Informed, however.

It's that ounce of prevention that counts.

"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You, sir, are an ass.
>
> Glen
>
> "Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > When are youu folks going to wake up and kick the greenies in the
> > teeth? The TELL YOU what YOU will do. So, you lost your house. Tough.
> > Vote them out. Even better, run them! When I can't put a bulldozer in
> > a place to make a fire line, cut a new trail, leave "old" homeplaces,
> > etc. and you expecty people to care? Do you know that in wilderness
> > areas that you can't use machines? Jeeps, bulldozers, skidders,
> > etc..I'm truly sorry your friends lost their house but CA has their
> > priorities SO out of line that they can only pay the price. CA values
> > looks over practicalities; doesn't always work. What IS SO impressive
> > is that people will still fight to help you. You let the foresters do
> > a little thinning (which also helps the forest by the way), cut some
> > fire lanes, do a little burning (sorry, it will ALWAYS look bad),
> > clear out some patches that can't be handles and we will save you
> > houses. But Greenies rule in CA so tough. Vote, vote,
> > vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >

Gg

"Groggy"

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

08/11/2003 12:39 AM

John,

when fighting bushfires here in Australia, I have seen a fireball roll up a
ridge and launch itself over 1 mile to an adjacent ridge (Bright bushfires
1983). The valley it crossed was where we were just about to fly in our
chopper with 5 firemen on board. That spectacle was sobering (to say the
least) and, when I read your actions, I could only think - here is someone
smart enough not to try to be 'brave', and chose to leave on his terms,
following a plan.

I'm glad that your house and property were spared, though you had already
evacuated all the truly important possessions.

Greg

"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been posting or reading for nearly two weeks now. I do have a
> reason. The following is a short reminiscence on my family’s
> experiences with the recent forest fires in Southern California. We do
> live in interesting times.
>
> The Forests
>
<snip>>
> The Weather
> <snip>
> The Fire
>
<snip>

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

08/11/2003 3:38 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
... snip
>
> At last! On Monday, November 3, the mandatory evacuation order Green
> Valley Lake was lifted. On Tuesday, Margaret and I, the cats, and a
> newly purchased gasoline powered generator headed home. It was as we
> had left it. We unpacked and hooked up the generator to the essentials:
> the furnace, a lamp, and the television. It being an absolutely
> gorgeous fall day, we walked to “downtown” and chatted with a few other
> locals who had made it back. It’s good to be home. Thanks be to God,
> we were spared.

very happy to hear that. Our heartfelt thoughts and prayers to those
who weren't so blessed.

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

07/11/2003 7:01 PM


"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote a stirring tale.

Thank you sir. That was inspirational. I have copied it and will be giving
it to a few frinds. This is a lovely story and we do appreciate the time you
took to tell us about it. Far superior to anything I have senn on
television.


Po

"Pounds on Wood"

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

07/11/2003 7:21 PM

John, I am so glad to hear you were spared. I found myself holding my
breath as I read your post, afraid that the ending would not be so good.

My family so far has not had any relative, friend, or even acquaintance that
lost anything significant to the fire. Even so, the destruction is all
around us.

As a fellow SoCal'r, I wish you continued good fortune through the mudslide
season.

--
Bill Pounds
http://www.bill.pounds.net/woodshop


"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been posting or reading for nearly two weeks now. I do have a
> reason. The following is a short reminiscence on my family’s
> experiences with the recent forest fires in Southern California. We do
> live in interesting times.
>
> The Forests
>
> The forests here are not unlike those abutting other communities in
> other parts of the country. They have too many trees towering above
> thick undergrowth; in short, fuel. Add to this a bark beetle
> infestation that has been killing off drought weakened pines.
>
> No one wants his home to burn down, so fire suppression is the rule of
> the day. Fast moving cool fires taking out sparse undergrowth have been
> replaced with very hot, more disastrous fires. Flares moving through
> the tops of the trees send out embers to start fires in the undergrowth,
> sometimes miles away.
>
> The Weather
>
> This area boasts of a weather phenomenon known as the Santa Ana winds.
> These winds are formed when a high pressure area forms to the north and
> east over Nevada and Utah. As the air sinks, it is forced down the
> slope of California's coastal mountains, gathering speed as it shoots
> through narrow canyon passes and rising in temperature as it compresses.
> Fall days with temperatures in the 90s and humidity in single digits
> are not uncommon.
>
> In Raymond Chandler's "Red Wind," he describes the Santa Anas as winds
> that "curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On
> nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives
> feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husband’s necks.
> Anything can happen."
>
> And when a lost hunter shoots off a flare to invite rescue, or when a
> burning cigarette is thrown from a car, or when someone throws an
> incendiary device into dry brush, it happens.
>
> The Fire
>
> For us, it all started sometime in the middle of the week of 19 October.
> Forecasts of rising temperatures, low humidity, and high winds, put
> everybody’s nerves on edge. We start to pack photo albums into boxes
> and to move these and a small file of papers into the garage. On
> Saturday, we attend the Breeder’s Cup horse races at Santa Anita in
> Arcadia. There is one fire (the “Grand Prix” fire) burning. It has
> burned to the edge of the road and has turned day into night with smoke.
> But since it is many miles away from our home, no problem.
>
> On the way back, a second fire (the “Old” fire) has been started by an
> arsonist and is spreading rapidly. The highway to our town is open only
> to residents. By Sunday, our car and pickup truck are packed with
> keepsakes and impedimentia. Late Sunday, we have decided that nothing
> will happen tonight and Margaret goes to bed. A knock on the door, and
> a quiet evening is put aside. Coffee is brewed, the cats are rounded
> up and put into their carrying cases, a few last minute items are saved,
> good-byes are said to the neighbors, and we are off to our youngest
> daughter’s house (cats are welcome there). An hour and a half trip is
> doubled due to the route we must take to avoid flames. We arrive safely
> and bed down for the night.
>
> Family and friends are really wonderful at a time like this. All the
> kids and siblings were willing to have us (most did not want the cats).
> Friends tried to reach us by phone and email to see how we were and if
> we needed anything. It is a great feeling not to feel alone.
>
> Finding information on the fire is easy. Finding valid and detailed
> information is difficult. Television news loves shots of flames soaring
> into the heavens, interviews with exhausted fire fighters, and
> predictions of doom and gloom. We head for the internet and settle on
> http://www.rimoftheworld.net/ as our best overall source of what is
> really happening. We read and post on the Green Valley Lake bulletin
> board, study the burn map, and avidly read what Ranger Al (a genuine
> folk hero) has to say. If you will now turn to the burn map
> (http://www.rimoftheworld.net/features/burn), look at the right hand
> side for the hamlet of Running Springs. Just above that is a road
> leading seemingly to nowhere. At the end of that road is (honest) Green
> Valley Lake.
>
> As the week went on, the Santa Anas faded and were replace by an
> on-shore flow. The temperatures cooled, humidity went up, but the
> direction changed, and the fires stopped ravaging the foothill
> communities and focused instead on the mountains. Highway 18, which
> runs along the top of the mountain range became the “battleground”.
> Rimforest, Skyforest, and parts of Crestline burned. These communities
> were still to the west of us. Then finally fuel and wind and the fire
> jumped the highway and headed for Lake Arrowhead and environs. The
> Cedar Glen area and other canyon communities were heavily damaged. The
> fires headed north and east towards Running Springs to the south of us
> and into the Deep Creek drainage basin to the west. Nervous time.
>
> Then towards the end of the week, it snowed. Hallelujah. The
> temperature dropped 60 degF in a few days and moisture fell. The fires
> were slowed but not out. Arrival of more firefighters and equipment
> from other states allowed more resources to be applied to the local
> fires. One by one, the news crews were pulled from the Los Angeles and
> Ventura county fires. Soon only a few were left and were covering our
> plight.
>
> At last! On Monday, November 3, the mandatory evacuation order Green
> Valley Lake was lifted. On Tuesday, Margaret and I, the cats, and a
> newly purchased gasoline powered generator headed home. It was as we
> had left it. We unpacked and hooked up the generator to the essentials:
> the furnace, a lamp, and the television. It being an absolutely
> gorgeous fall day, we walked to “downtown” and chatted with a few other
> locals who had made it back. It’s good to be home. Thanks be to God,
> we were spared. One thing I learned is that being away from home
> voluntarily is much different than being forced out.
>
> The heavy rains forecast for this weekend have been revised to scattered
> showers. This could have led to mud slides and an even greater disaster.
>
> Santa Ana winds are forecast for Wednesday.
>

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

10/11/2003 3:06 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote:
>"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
>> You, sir, are an ass.
>
>But he does make a good argument for restoring a literacy test
>as a prerequisite for voter registration...
>
Civics and current-events tests might be a good idea, too.

--
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

How come we choose from just two people to run for president and 50 for Miss America?

fF

[email protected] (Fred the Red Shirt)

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

10/11/2003 6:34 AM

"Glen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> You, sir, are an ass.
>
> Glen
>

But he does make a good argument for restoring a literacy test
as a prerequisite for voter registration...

--

FF

LA

Lawrence A. Ramsey

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

09/11/2003 9:20 AM

When are youu folks going to wake up and kick the greenies in the
teeth? The TELL YOU what YOU will do. So, you lost your house. Tough.
Vote them out. Even better, run them! When I can't put a bulldozer in
a place to make a fire line, cut a new trail, leave "old" homeplaces,
etc. and you expecty people to care? Do you know that in wilderness
areas that you can't use machines? Jeeps, bulldozers, skidders,
etc..I'm truly sorry your friends lost their house but CA has their
priorities SO out of line that they can only pay the price. CA values
looks over practicalities; doesn't always work. What IS SO impressive
is that people will still fight to help you. You let the foresters do
a little thinning (which also helps the forest by the way), cut some
fire lanes, do a little burning (sorry, it will ALWAYS look bad),
clear out some patches that can't be handles and we will save you
houses. But Greenies rule in CA so tough. Vote, vote,
vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 11:58:18 GMT, "Glen" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'm glad to hear that all turned out well for you, too. I also was
>evacuated by the sheriff's department at about midnight, and it is a scary
>feeling. Thank God my home, too, was spared. Four people I work with lost
>their homes, and my old neighborhood (I lived in San Bernardino some five
>years back) was almost totally destroyed. It was awful.
>
>Glen
>
>
>"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> I haven't been posting or reading for nearly two weeks now. I do have a
>> reason. The following is a short reminiscence on my family’s
>> experiences with the recent forest fires in Southern California. We do
>> live in interesting times.
>>
>> The Forests
>>
>> The forests here are not unlike those abutting other communities in
>> other parts of the country. They have too many trees towering above
>> thick undergrowth; in short, fuel. Add to this a bark beetle
>> infestation that has been killing off drought weakened pines.
>>
>> No one wants his home to burn down, so fire suppression is the rule of
>> the day. Fast moving cool fires taking out sparse undergrowth have been
>> replaced with very hot, more disastrous fires. Flares moving through
>> the tops of the trees send out embers to start fires in the undergrowth,
>> sometimes miles away.
>>
>> The Weather
>>
>> This area boasts of a weather phenomenon known as the Santa Ana winds.
>> These winds are formed when a high pressure area forms to the north and
>> east over Nevada and Utah. As the air sinks, it is forced down the
>> slope of California's coastal mountains, gathering speed as it shoots
>> through narrow canyon passes and rising in temperature as it compresses.
>> Fall days with temperatures in the 90s and humidity in single digits
>> are not uncommon.
>>
>> In Raymond Chandler's "Red Wind," he describes the Santa Anas as winds
>> that "curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On
>> nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives
>> feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husband’s necks.
>> Anything can happen."
>>
>> And when a lost hunter shoots off a flare to invite rescue, or when a
>> burning cigarette is thrown from a car, or when someone throws an
>> incendiary device into dry brush, it happens.
>>
>> The Fire
>>
>> For us, it all started sometime in the middle of the week of 19 October.
>> Forecasts of rising temperatures, low humidity, and high winds, put
>> everybody’s nerves on edge. We start to pack photo albums into boxes
>> and to move these and a small file of papers into the garage. On
>> Saturday, we attend the Breeder’s Cup horse races at Santa Anita in
>> Arcadia. There is one fire (the “Grand Prix” fire) burning. It has
>> burned to the edge of the road and has turned day into night with smoke.
>> But since it is many miles away from our home, no problem.
>>
>> On the way back, a second fire (the “Old” fire) has been started by an
>> arsonist and is spreading rapidly. The highway to our town is open only
>> to residents. By Sunday, our car and pickup truck are packed with
>> keepsakes and impedimentia. Late Sunday, we have decided that nothing
>> will happen tonight and Margaret goes to bed. A knock on the door, and
>> a quiet evening is put aside. Coffee is brewed, the cats are rounded
>> up and put into their carrying cases, a few last minute items are saved,
>> good-byes are said to the neighbors, and we are off to our youngest
>> daughter’s house (cats are welcome there). An hour and a half trip is
>> doubled due to the route we must take to avoid flames. We arrive safely
>> and bed down for the night.
>>
>> Family and friends are really wonderful at a time like this. All the
>> kids and siblings were willing to have us (most did not want the cats).
>> Friends tried to reach us by phone and email to see how we were and if
>> we needed anything. It is a great feeling not to feel alone.
>>
>> Finding information on the fire is easy. Finding valid and detailed
>> information is difficult. Television news loves shots of flames soaring
>> into the heavens, interviews with exhausted fire fighters, and
>> predictions of doom and gloom. We head for the internet and settle on
>> http://www.rimoftheworld.net/ as our best overall source of what is
>> really happening. We read and post on the Green Valley Lake bulletin
>> board, study the burn map, and avidly read what Ranger Al (a genuine
>> folk hero) has to say. If you will now turn to the burn map
>> (http://www.rimoftheworld.net/features/burn), look at the right hand
>> side for the hamlet of Running Springs. Just above that is a road
>> leading seemingly to nowhere. At the end of that road is (honest) Green
>> Valley Lake.
>>
>> As the week went on, the Santa Anas faded and were replace by an
>> on-shore flow. The temperatures cooled, humidity went up, but the
>> direction changed, and the fires stopped ravaging the foothill
>> communities and focused instead on the mountains. Highway 18, which
>> runs along the top of the mountain range became the “battleground”.
>> Rimforest, Skyforest, and parts of Crestline burned. These communities
>> were still to the west of us. Then finally fuel and wind and the fire
>> jumped the highway and headed for Lake Arrowhead and environs. The
>> Cedar Glen area and other canyon communities were heavily damaged. The
>> fires headed north and east towards Running Springs to the south of us
>> and into the Deep Creek drainage basin to the west. Nervous time.
>>
>> Then towards the end of the week, it snowed. Hallelujah. The
>> temperature dropped 60 degF in a few days and moisture fell. The fires
>> were slowed but not out. Arrival of more firefighters and equipment
>> from other states allowed more resources to be applied to the local
>> fires. One by one, the news crews were pulled from the Los Angeles and
>> Ventura county fires. Soon only a few were left and were covering our
>> plight.
>>
>> At last! On Monday, November 3, the mandatory evacuation order Green
>> Valley Lake was lifted. On Tuesday, Margaret and I, the cats, and a
>> newly purchased gasoline powered generator headed home. It was as we
>> had left it. We unpacked and hooked up the generator to the essentials:
>> the furnace, a lamp, and the television. It being an absolutely
>> gorgeous fall day, we walked to “downtown” and chatted with a few other
>> locals who had made it back. It’s good to be home. Thanks be to God,
>> we were spared. One thing I learned is that being away from home
>> voluntarily is much different than being forced out.
>>
>> The heavy rains forecast for this weekend have been revised to scattered
>> showers. This could have led to mud slides and an even greater disaster.
>>
>> Santa Ana winds are forecast for Wednesday.
>>
>

Gg

"Glen"

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

10/11/2003 11:16 AM

You, sir, are an ass.

Glen

"Lawrence A. Ramsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> When are youu folks going to wake up and kick the greenies in the
> teeth? The TELL YOU what YOU will do. So, you lost your house. Tough.
> Vote them out. Even better, run them! When I can't put a bulldozer in
> a place to make a fire line, cut a new trail, leave "old" homeplaces,
> etc. and you expecty people to care? Do you know that in wilderness
> areas that you can't use machines? Jeeps, bulldozers, skidders,
> etc..I'm truly sorry your friends lost their house but CA has their
> priorities SO out of line that they can only pay the price. CA values
> looks over practicalities; doesn't always work. What IS SO impressive
> is that people will still fight to help you. You let the foresters do
> a little thinning (which also helps the forest by the way), cut some
> fire lanes, do a little burning (sorry, it will ALWAYS look bad),
> clear out some patches that can't be handles and we will save you
> houses. But Greenies rule in CA so tough. Vote, vote,
> vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 11:58:18 GMT, "Glen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm glad to hear that all turned out well for you, too. I also was
> >evacuated by the sheriff's department at about midnight, and it is a
scary
> >feeling. Thank God my home, too, was spared. Four people I work with
lost
> >their homes, and my old neighborhood (I lived in San Bernardino some five
> >years back) was almost totally destroyed. It was awful.
> >
> >Glen
> >
> >
> >"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> I haven't been posting or reading for nearly two weeks now. I do have
a
> >> reason. The following is a short reminiscence on my family's
> >> experiences with the recent forest fires in Southern California. We do
> >> live in interesting times.
> >>
> >> The Forests
> >>
> >> The forests here are not unlike those abutting other communities in
> >> other parts of the country. They have too many trees towering above
> >> thick undergrowth; in short, fuel. Add to this a bark beetle
> >> infestation that has been killing off drought weakened pines.
> >>
> >> No one wants his home to burn down, so fire suppression is the rule of
> >> the day. Fast moving cool fires taking out sparse undergrowth have
been
> >> replaced with very hot, more disastrous fires. Flares moving through
> >> the tops of the trees send out embers to start fires in the
undergrowth,
> >> sometimes miles away.
> >>
> >> The Weather
> >>
> >> This area boasts of a weather phenomenon known as the Santa Ana winds.
> >> These winds are formed when a high pressure area forms to the north
and
> >> east over Nevada and Utah. As the air sinks, it is forced down the
> >> slope of California's coastal mountains, gathering speed as it shoots
> >> through narrow canyon passes and rising in temperature as it
compresses.
> >> Fall days with temperatures in the 90s and humidity in single digits
> >> are not uncommon.
> >>
> >> In Raymond Chandler's "Red Wind," he describes the Santa Anas as winds
> >> that "curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On
> >> nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives
> >> feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husband's necks.
> >> Anything can happen."
> >>
> >> And when a lost hunter shoots off a flare to invite rescue, or when a
> >> burning cigarette is thrown from a car, or when someone throws an
> >> incendiary device into dry brush, it happens.
> >>
> >> The Fire
> >>
> >> For us, it all started sometime in the middle of the week of 19
October.
> >> Forecasts of rising temperatures, low humidity, and high winds, put
> >> everybody's nerves on edge. We start to pack photo albums into boxes
> >> and to move these and a small file of papers into the garage. On
> >> Saturday, we attend the Breeder's Cup horse races at Santa Anita in
> >> Arcadia. There is one fire (the "Grand Prix" fire) burning. It has
> >> burned to the edge of the road and has turned day into night with
smoke.
> >> But since it is many miles away from our home, no problem.
> >>
> >> On the way back, a second fire (the "Old" fire) has been started by an
> >> arsonist and is spreading rapidly. The highway to our town is open
only
> >> to residents. By Sunday, our car and pickup truck are packed with
> >> keepsakes and impedimentia. Late Sunday, we have decided that nothing
> >> will happen tonight and Margaret goes to bed. A knock on the door, and
> >> a quiet evening is put aside. Coffee is brewed, the cats are rounded
> >> up and put into their carrying cases, a few last minute items are
saved,
> >> good-byes are said to the neighbors, and we are off to our youngest
> >> daughter's house (cats are welcome there). An hour and a half trip is
> >> doubled due to the route we must take to avoid flames. We arrive
safely
> >> and bed down for the night.
> >>
> >> Family and friends are really wonderful at a time like this. All the
> >> kids and siblings were willing to have us (most did not want the cats).
> >> Friends tried to reach us by phone and email to see how we were and if
> >> we needed anything. It is a great feeling not to feel alone.
> >>
> >> Finding information on the fire is easy. Finding valid and detailed
> >> information is difficult. Television news loves shots of flames
soaring
> >> into the heavens, interviews with exhausted fire fighters, and
> >> predictions of doom and gloom. We head for the internet and settle on
> >> http://www.rimoftheworld.net/ as our best overall source of what is
> >> really happening. We read and post on the Green Valley Lake bulletin
> >> board, study the burn map, and avidly read what Ranger Al (a genuine
> >> folk hero) has to say. If you will now turn to the burn map
> >> (http://www.rimoftheworld.net/features/burn), look at the right hand
> >> side for the hamlet of Running Springs. Just above that is a road
> >> leading seemingly to nowhere. At the end of that road is (honest)
Green
> >> Valley Lake.
> >>
> >> As the week went on, the Santa Anas faded and were replace by an
> >> on-shore flow. The temperatures cooled, humidity went up, but the
> >> direction changed, and the fires stopped ravaging the foothill
> >> communities and focused instead on the mountains. Highway 18, which
> >> runs along the top of the mountain range became the "battleground".
> >> Rimforest, Skyforest, and parts of Crestline burned. These communities
> >> were still to the west of us. Then finally fuel and wind and the fire
> >> jumped the highway and headed for Lake Arrowhead and environs. The
> >> Cedar Glen area and other canyon communities were heavily damaged. The
> >> fires headed north and east towards Running Springs to the south of us
> >> and into the Deep Creek drainage basin to the west. Nervous time.
> >>
> >> Then towards the end of the week, it snowed. Hallelujah. The
> >> temperature dropped 60 degF in a few days and moisture fell. The fires
> >> were slowed but not out. Arrival of more firefighters and equipment
> >> from other states allowed more resources to be applied to the local
> >> fires. One by one, the news crews were pulled from the Los Angeles and
> >> Ventura county fires. Soon only a few were left and were covering our
> >> plight.
> >>
> >> At last! On Monday, November 3, the mandatory evacuation order Green
> >> Valley Lake was lifted. On Tuesday, Margaret and I, the cats, and a
> >> newly purchased gasoline powered generator headed home. It was as we
> >> had left it. We unpacked and hooked up the generator to the
essentials:
> >> the furnace, a lamp, and the television. It being an absolutely
> >> gorgeous fall day, we walked to "downtown" and chatted with a few other
> >> locals who had made it back. It's good to be home. Thanks be to God,
> >> we were spared. One thing I learned is that being away from home
> >> voluntarily is much different than being forced out.
> >>
> >> The heavy rains forecast for this weekend have been revised to
scattered
> >> showers. This could have led to mud slides and an even greater
disaster.
> >>
> >> Santa Ana winds are forecast for Wednesday.
> >>
> >
>

Gg

"Glen"

in reply to jo4hn on 07/11/2003 6:35 PM

09/11/2003 11:58 AM

I'm glad to hear that all turned out well for you, too. I also was
evacuated by the sheriff's department at about midnight, and it is a scary
feeling. Thank God my home, too, was spared. Four people I work with lost
their homes, and my old neighborhood (I lived in San Bernardino some five
years back) was almost totally destroyed. It was awful.

Glen


"jo4hn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I haven't been posting or reading for nearly two weeks now. I do have a
> reason. The following is a short reminiscence on my family’s
> experiences with the recent forest fires in Southern California. We do
> live in interesting times.
>
> The Forests
>
> The forests here are not unlike those abutting other communities in
> other parts of the country. They have too many trees towering above
> thick undergrowth; in short, fuel. Add to this a bark beetle
> infestation that has been killing off drought weakened pines.
>
> No one wants his home to burn down, so fire suppression is the rule of
> the day. Fast moving cool fires taking out sparse undergrowth have been
> replaced with very hot, more disastrous fires. Flares moving through
> the tops of the trees send out embers to start fires in the undergrowth,
> sometimes miles away.
>
> The Weather
>
> This area boasts of a weather phenomenon known as the Santa Ana winds.
> These winds are formed when a high pressure area forms to the north and
> east over Nevada and Utah. As the air sinks, it is forced down the
> slope of California's coastal mountains, gathering speed as it shoots
> through narrow canyon passes and rising in temperature as it compresses.
> Fall days with temperatures in the 90s and humidity in single digits
> are not uncommon.
>
> In Raymond Chandler's "Red Wind," he describes the Santa Anas as winds
> that "curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On
> nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives
> feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husband’s necks.
> Anything can happen."
>
> And when a lost hunter shoots off a flare to invite rescue, or when a
> burning cigarette is thrown from a car, or when someone throws an
> incendiary device into dry brush, it happens.
>
> The Fire
>
> For us, it all started sometime in the middle of the week of 19 October.
> Forecasts of rising temperatures, low humidity, and high winds, put
> everybody’s nerves on edge. We start to pack photo albums into boxes
> and to move these and a small file of papers into the garage. On
> Saturday, we attend the Breeder’s Cup horse races at Santa Anita in
> Arcadia. There is one fire (the “Grand Prix” fire) burning. It has
> burned to the edge of the road and has turned day into night with smoke.
> But since it is many miles away from our home, no problem.
>
> On the way back, a second fire (the “Old” fire) has been started by an
> arsonist and is spreading rapidly. The highway to our town is open only
> to residents. By Sunday, our car and pickup truck are packed with
> keepsakes and impedimentia. Late Sunday, we have decided that nothing
> will happen tonight and Margaret goes to bed. A knock on the door, and
> a quiet evening is put aside. Coffee is brewed, the cats are rounded
> up and put into their carrying cases, a few last minute items are saved,
> good-byes are said to the neighbors, and we are off to our youngest
> daughter’s house (cats are welcome there). An hour and a half trip is
> doubled due to the route we must take to avoid flames. We arrive safely
> and bed down for the night.
>
> Family and friends are really wonderful at a time like this. All the
> kids and siblings were willing to have us (most did not want the cats).
> Friends tried to reach us by phone and email to see how we were and if
> we needed anything. It is a great feeling not to feel alone.
>
> Finding information on the fire is easy. Finding valid and detailed
> information is difficult. Television news loves shots of flames soaring
> into the heavens, interviews with exhausted fire fighters, and
> predictions of doom and gloom. We head for the internet and settle on
> http://www.rimoftheworld.net/ as our best overall source of what is
> really happening. We read and post on the Green Valley Lake bulletin
> board, study the burn map, and avidly read what Ranger Al (a genuine
> folk hero) has to say. If you will now turn to the burn map
> (http://www.rimoftheworld.net/features/burn), look at the right hand
> side for the hamlet of Running Springs. Just above that is a road
> leading seemingly to nowhere. At the end of that road is (honest) Green
> Valley Lake.
>
> As the week went on, the Santa Anas faded and were replace by an
> on-shore flow. The temperatures cooled, humidity went up, but the
> direction changed, and the fires stopped ravaging the foothill
> communities and focused instead on the mountains. Highway 18, which
> runs along the top of the mountain range became the “battleground”.
> Rimforest, Skyforest, and parts of Crestline burned. These communities
> were still to the west of us. Then finally fuel and wind and the fire
> jumped the highway and headed for Lake Arrowhead and environs. The
> Cedar Glen area and other canyon communities were heavily damaged. The
> fires headed north and east towards Running Springs to the south of us
> and into the Deep Creek drainage basin to the west. Nervous time.
>
> Then towards the end of the week, it snowed. Hallelujah. The
> temperature dropped 60 degF in a few days and moisture fell. The fires
> were slowed but not out. Arrival of more firefighters and equipment
> from other states allowed more resources to be applied to the local
> fires. One by one, the news crews were pulled from the Los Angeles and
> Ventura county fires. Soon only a few were left and were covering our
> plight.
>
> At last! On Monday, November 3, the mandatory evacuation order Green
> Valley Lake was lifted. On Tuesday, Margaret and I, the cats, and a
> newly purchased gasoline powered generator headed home. It was as we
> had left it. We unpacked and hooked up the generator to the essentials:
> the furnace, a lamp, and the television. It being an absolutely
> gorgeous fall day, we walked to “downtown” and chatted with a few other
> locals who had made it back. It’s good to be home. Thanks be to God,
> we were spared. One thing I learned is that being away from home
> voluntarily is much different than being forced out.
>
> The heavy rains forecast for this weekend have been revised to scattered
> showers. This could have led to mud slides and an even greater disaster.
>
> Santa Ana winds are forecast for Wednesday.
>


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