Most useless power tool you own?

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:42:29 GMT, Mekon <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > "patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> > What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
> >>
> >> Black and Decker "Mouse" Detail Sander.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Mine gave up the ghost on it's first use. Damned if I could find the
> > receipt. so I was stuck with it. I used the cable to replace the one
that my
> > electric planer ate.
>
> Want another one?
>

No thanks :) ... The postage (Brisbane Australia) would exceed even lits
price! Besides, nowadays what I cant do with my new Ryobi, I do by hand! :)

Mekon

My most useless (or, the least used of anything I ever bought) would have to
be the PC profile sander. I bought the accessories too so now I have more
than just the profile sander just sitting there.

My wife says anything not used for at least two years is useless and should
be thrown out. But, next week I might need it - right :O)

Pack Rat

gets my vote

"ToolMiser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Mine is the PC detail sander, and I predict it will be the winner (or
looser).
>

I was just thinking about buying one of these to shave down some
sticking doors. What's so bad about them?

Chuck

David wrote:
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand
plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of
studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm

> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.

You guys ever watch "BIG" on the Discovery Channel? They built a BIG
electric guitar, 9x the size and used a 12" power planer at one point.

Rotozip.

Cuts holes for outlet boxes in drywall, but only if you use metal
boxes. Other than that I haven't found anything useful for this thing
to do.

Hi David:

Someone gave me a Ryobi detail sander about 5 years ago. I've used it
once.

Regards,
John.

A craftsman sheet sander (1972 vintage purchased new). It made so much
noise and sanded so poorly, I just put it away. I just ordered a PC
speedboc to make up for that mistake.

Bob

I think that was a general thread. This one is limited to power tools.

The Wagner "power painter" (AKA power dripper) that I bought in
partnership with another friend. After he completed his project, I got
to keep it. 90% paint on ground, 10% thrown at wall.
It was disassembled for cleaning, then finally thrown away.

"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of
studs when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs.
I'm unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.

What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?

David

"David" <[email protected]> wrote

: Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
: About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
: when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
: unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.

A fairly recent issue of Fine Woodworking showed its use in rough-preparing
a large sawn hardwood board.

The author did the obvious. He reshaped the cutters to a slightly convex
profie as one should do with a hand plane.

I'm at a loss to understand why the manufacturers don't offer this option -
they must have considered it.

Jeff G

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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:25:34 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:
>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:34:04 -0600, Thomas Kendrick <[email protected]>
>>The Wagner "power painter" (AKA power dripper) that I bought in
>>partnership with another friend. After he completed his project, I got
>>to keep it. 90% paint on ground, 10% thrown at wall.
>
> You forgot to include the fact that of that 10% thrown on the wall, 90%
>of it went into one place and formed a huge drip.

Power painter in one hand, 4-inch brush in the other to spread it out.

The secret to getting some value from this painter is to add the
12-inch nozzle extension. The extension seemed to smooth out the
pulses from the pump, resulting in significantly less drip and a
somewhat useable spray pattern. I bought the extension to paint the
overhand without a ladder.

maybe it's a rotary hammer, ya tink? try swingin it round in circles.
Dan

A few years ago a friend gifted me with a Sears Craftsman detail sander, a
dinky little motorized tool that resembles my old Norelco triple-head shaver
except with three little sandpaper pads, each about the size of a quarter,
instead of the "rotary blades" the razor was equipped with. What a POS. I
think the shaver had more horsepower, and I know it was more useful. In
addition to having less torque than your average electric pencil sharpener,
this "tool" was rendered even more worthless because one or more of the
cheesy plastic pads upon which the sanding disks were mounted constantly
popped off during use.

Lee

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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
wrote:

|
|"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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|> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
|> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
|> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
|> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
|>
|> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
|>
|> David
|
|For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
|never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
|tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
|years now. Do you think it might be 220v?

Maybe. The heavy-duty ones were. To meet current code, you need to
replace that old cord with a new four-wire one and a dedicated 30A
circuit.

I was given something similar, but it was an electric screwdriver.
Nice screwdriver... with a 120V cord coming out of the handle. Worked
okay on short screws, but longer ones caused the cord to twist so much
that you had to keep backing up toward the outlet as you drove the
screw. The other problem was that the handle was PVC and if you
turned it too fast, static charge built up on it and caused the
sawdust on the shop floor to explode. I glued on a piece of aluminum
foil and grounded it to a cold water pipe and that fixed that.

You can never be too careful around power tools.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> David
>
>For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
>never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
>years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>
>Bob
>
Jeez! Everyone knows electric hammers are three-phase. You've probably
blown the start capacitor tinkering with it.

--RC
"Sometimes history doesn't repeat itself. It just yells
'can't you remember anything I've told you?' and lets
fly with a club.
-- John W. Cambell Jr.

Mine is the PC detail sander, and I predict it will be the winner (or looser).

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 15:29:04 GMT, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

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>"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:52:57 -0800, David <[email protected]> vaguely
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>> ......and in reply I say!:
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>> Table saw.
>
>Why? Really.

OK. Bit of a troll of sorts. I did it not to get a bite, but I am
surpirised by the lack of nibbles.

I have posted many times about TSs, when people say "I am a newbie
what TS should I buy?".

In a few words, you have to be sure you need one, because cheap ones
are not much good, and expensive are expensive and _relatively_
limited in use. They are better than a planer, or jointer, or
thicknesser in versatility, probably, but still surprisingly limited.
They certainly do not replace a love of woodwork and care for the job.

I have a drill press (floor), bandsaw (floor) and many hand tools. I
was getting along fine as a hobby WWer.

Then I became convinced, by a combinaton of a need for retail therapy
of the boy's toys sort and the general pressure on the wreck, that I
needed a TS.

So I bought one. I should have checked further. I have hardly used it,
and have put it aside for now. I think I believed it would do anything
for me, straight, easy and all that. It will not. It needs a lot of
tuning, add-ons, and practice to use a TS. And in spite of all those
things, in the real world of wood, every job needs a new approach
anyway.

How to cut bent wood? How to handle sheet goods? etc etc. I thought
all those problems were what a TS was _for_. It is.....sort of.

A lot of this is a no-brainer, _if_ you stop to think, or go and get
lessons on using a TS. But I, and I reckon many others, did not.

I would have been far better off spending the money, which was more
than I had spent on any other ww tool I owned, on wood, or other
tools, or even the furniture I was not making while I learnt how much
more work I was going to have to do to make the TS really useful.

Tue, Jan 11, 2005, 8:52am (EST-3) [email protected] (David) claims:
Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?

Then make me a deal, and I'll take it off your hands, so you don't
have the stress anymore. I could definitely use it.

I'd say depends. I thought about it, and I'd say maybe my detail
sander. Yes, it works fine, but the projects I'm doing, and any planned
on for some time, don't call for it's use. I do have some other tools
I'm not using either, but as I do plan on using them in the not too
distant future, I don't term them "useless".

I don't regret ANY power tool I've bought, and would never even
think of regretting any I was given.



JOAT
Success is getting what you want.
Happiness is wanting what you get.
- =A0Dale Carnegie

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:43:48 -0800, David <[email protected]> wrote:

>I'll second that emotion, Leon. My Wagner is up in the attic out of
>reach of anyone wishing to use a decent sprayer.
>
>David

That raises an interesting question, why do we continue to hang on to
tools that we have proven to ourselves to be useless? Moreover, sometimes
even to the extent of angering ourselves everytime we think we have figured
out how to use them for something, only to screw a project up and realize
that the tool really *is* useless?

I know I'm certainly guilty of this, I still have the PC detail sander
even though I have not really been able to make it work all that well
(several years ago I would have said otherwise, but have later found much
better ways to get things done). I did get rid of the Sears vibrator that
was mislabeled a pad sander, the Sears jigsaw that attempted to use
decibels to scream wood apart while vibrating a blade against said wood,
and a useless Wagner PowerPainter, so I think I'm learning that keeping
useless stuff around is wasteful of space as well as the few $ that they
might bring at a garage sale.

>
>Leon wrote:
>
>> I'll add to the list. Although I no longer own one, any tool made by Wagner
>> fills the bill.
>>



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Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry

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On 11 Jan 2005 10:48:43 -0800, Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was just thinking about buying one of these to shave down some
> sticking doors. What's so bad about them?

Are you anywhere near Milwaukee or Madison? I'll give you a hell of
a deal.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:15:30 GMT, toller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Beyond any doubt. Worst tool ever made by a reputable company.


What, a newsreader that posts without including any context, you mean?

Mark & Juanita wrote:

> was mislabeled a pad sander, the Sears jigsaw that attempted to use
> decibels to scream wood apart while vibrating a blade against said wood,

I think I traded mine to JOAT for a corner clamp. LOL!

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Rob Gray wrote:

> All of my older plug-in electric drills. Ever since the rechargeable
> ones have become decent the old plug in ones are a pain and not worth
> the trouble....

Hah. The rechargeable ones are a lot more decent than they used to be, but
a tailed drill will run as long as civilization holds out, *and* it will
wrap about 2' of chain link fence around a bulb augur. Try that with a
cordless. :)

(Neighbor didn't notice the interesting job I did re-weaving his fence.)

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On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:42:29 GMT, Mekon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> Black and Decker "Mouse" Detail Sander.
>>
>>
>
> Mine gave up the ghost on it's first use. Damned if I could find the
> receipt. so I was stuck with it. I used the cable to replace the one that my
> electric planer ate.

Want another one?

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, Bob Schmall <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> David
>
> For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
> never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
> tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
> years now. Do you think it might be 220v?

He wasn't Canadian, was he? Didn't they used to use 50Hz power?

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:37:32 GMT, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>
>>For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
>>never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>>tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
>>years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>>
> Jeez! Everyone knows electric hammers are three-phase. You've probably
> blown the start capacitor tinkering with it.

Yeah, but delta, or wye?

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:59:03 -0500, TaskMule <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> David
>
> Laser level

Ugh. Got _another_ one this year. If it was self-leveling
an accurate, great, but I'm sorry, you can't tell me that this
4 inch long thing with a little vial is going to be accurate
enough for the whole length of a room.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:24:38 -0500, Mike Patterson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hey Kyle, I'd like to play with one if you want to get rid of it
> cheap. Email me if you're interested.

If he doesn't, then you can email me, Mike. It needs some work, I'm
told by a friend here that it's a fan inside that's squealing.

Dave

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:31:21 -0600, Henry St.Pierre <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I keep meaning to throw mine away, but as I get near the trash can my feet
> feet slow down and I start to shake and I just can't throw the useless POS
> away. I must need a 12 step program.

Hi, my name is Dave, and I can't throw away old tools.
(hi Dave)
It's been over 3 weeks since I tried to clean up my shop, and all I
got done was this agreement thing with Silvan about picking up a number
of items each time I went in there - so I'm avoiding the shop.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:15:52 -0500, Mike Patterson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Not that I'd want to prevent you from buying a tool (even a bad tool
> purchase is better than NO tool purchase)...

I'm not sure about that, Mike. Cheap/bad tools are their own punishment.

Henry St.Pierre wrote:

> I keep meaning to throw mine away, but as I get near the trash can my feet
> feet slow down and I start to shake and I just can't throw the useless POS
> away. I must need a 12 step program.

LOL! Junk-don't-haulics Anonymous.

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Old Nick wrote:

> Then I became convinced, by a combinaton of a need for retail therapy
> of the boy's toys sort and the general pressure on the wreck, that I
> needed a TS.

> So I bought one. I should have checked further. I have hardly used it,
> and have put it aside for now. I think I believed it would do anything

It's funny, different strokes and stuff. I've lived without a bandsaw for a
long time, and am going to keep right on living without one for awhile yet.
I have become convinced, by a combination of a need for retail therapy of
the boy's toys sort, and the general pressure of the Wreck, that I need a
BS. :)

I really can't quite think what I will do with it. A few things, maybe, but
it looks like it needs a lot of tuning, practice and add-ons to use a
BS. ;)

Bottom line point here is that a TS is just about the end all and be all of
my shop. I replaced my little benchtop with an almost full-sized
contractor's saw. It's SERIOUSLY too big for my limited space, and it
consumes at least half my shop, if not 2/3 of it.

I use it for everything. Tenons, dadoes, rabbets, miters, crosscutting,
ripping, tapering, beveling. It's worth the space I've given over to it,
but I'm not quite convinced what I would actually do with a bandsaw.
Novelty stuff, mostly. Things I can live without. I like straight lines
anyway. The only really serious thing I can come up with to do with a BS
is resawing, and my local lumber guy only stocks 4/4 anyway, so there's not
a lot to gain there.

I could turn one board into two that are a little too thin to be useful for
much, or I could turn it into one useful board and a piece of scrap. I
might as well generate the scrap in the form of hand plane shavings and
have a little fun in the process if I'm going to waste the wood anyway.

So it's on my someday list, and next in line machine-wise, but I feel like I
can keep living without one pretty much indefinitely.

I guess the moral of the story is you learn to do with whatever you have,
and it shapes how you approach everything.

Unless you have everything. If you do, shaddup about it. :)

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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>> I really can't quite think what I will do with it. A few things, maybe,
>> but
>> it looks like it needs a lot of tuning, practice and add-ons to use a
>> BS. ;)

> Do you have a jig saw? If so, much of what you do on a bandsaw (cutting
> curves) can be done with a hand held rather than stationary tool. It is

Yeah, I do, and I use it about 1.5 times a year. I have a scrollsaw too,
which I've used about... Well, once. I finally used it for something. I
made a tube clamp for my wife's bile bag. Prettiest brass and walnut tube
clamp any woman's bile bag ever had. :) I had the kids help me make it.

Anyway, I'm sure I'd figure out something to do with a bandsaw. It would be
handy for cutting up turning stock, say, which I am currently doing with
hand tools. I don't turn much though. Perhaps because I'm cutting up all
my turning stock with hand tools. Kind of a chicken and egg thing, isn't
it? :)

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Mark & Juanita wrote:

>>made a tube clamp for my wife's bile bag. Prettiest brass and walnut tube
>>clamp any woman's bile bag ever had. :) I had the kids help me make it.
>>
>
> Do you have free plans? I'm not asking for pictures, thank-you.

Why not? <innocent look>

No, no plans. I want to see if this is patentable before I elaborate. It
probably isn't, but hey, maybe I could become a bajillionaire. :) Spend
$4,000 to get a patent, and then earn $4 off my idea. That's how it
usually works.

> I find that I don't use the bandsaw a whole lot, and even less since I
> got a real jig saw. Unless you are going to be doing a lot of re-sawing,
> it's probably a "nice to have" vs. something you're really missing.

Which is why the main reason I keep saying "man, I'd like to have a bandsaw"
is so I can do some resawing.

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David wrote:
>
> ... a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane...unable to ... use it in cabinet or furniture making.

Well, what would you expect? That's <not> what it was designed for...

I keep seeing these threads and wondering the purpose...I don't think
I've ever bought a tool that was "useless"...some haven't been very good
for the purpose and at one time I would buy some cheap stuff that didn't
last, but I can't recall anything that wasn't at least of some value,
even if only for the single task.

On 11 Jan 2005 10:48:43 -0800, "Chuck" <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

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They are probably expected to do stuff they are not really meant for.
They take off a lot of wood, and it's easy to get it wrong really
fast. They are good for taking off lots of wood.

I have one and hardly use it. I used it for shaping the chines etc on
a boat to take the skin, using a jig. That was one good use.

Oh. And never put your fingers underneath to clear the swarf while you
are working....

>I was just thinking about buying one of these to shave down some
>sticking doors. What's so bad about them?
>
>Chuck

"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

Laser level

"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:52:57 -0800, David <[email protected]> vaguely
> proposed a theory
> ......and in reply I say!:
>
> remove ns from my header address to reply via email
>
> Table saw.

Why? Really.

Bob

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 02:15:54 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:


Re PC detail sander utility: [context is helpful, not all postings to a
thread appear in order on all servers]

>Well, the little rubber profiles work pretty well manually. I am not sure
>what that thing with the cord on it is good for. ;~)
>
>

I found it to be a great source of wrist stress, and the vibration was
very good at making my hand go numb. As far as for woodworking, i'ts
probably not useful for much.



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Hey Kyle, I'd like to play with one if you want to get rid of it
cheap. Email me if you're interested.

Mike



On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:01:44 -0500, "Kyle Boatright"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I believe the rotozip is designed with one purpose in mind: Breaking the
>little bits it uses. I broke all 3 or 4 of the bits that came with mine the
>first time I tried to use it. I've used the thing to collect dust ever
>sense.
>
>
>
>
>
>"TaskMule" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> Rotozip.
>>>
>>> Cuts holes for outlet boxes in drywall, but only if you use metal
>>> boxes. Other than that I haven't found anything useful for this thing
>>> to do.
>>>
>>
>> And destroys the vapour barrier you've carefully sealed around electrical
>> boxes
>>
>>
>

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Has to be the PC 4X24 belt sander.
Nice tool , good power, works good if you can handle it. Need arms like
gorilla to work with it.

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:33:12 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

>I'm one of the happy lemmings that bought a table saw. I like it, I use it,
>I won't be without it.
>
>But, there are plenty of craftsman that don't have one and turn out work far
>superior to mine. There was good woodwork before electricity. Nick, you
>have the right idea of at least exposing people to other options.

Hehe! You'd have to be pretty awful for that middle sentence to hold
though! <G>

Anyway. Thanks for the support. I do feel that they are not for
everybody, and there is enormous pressure to get them.

I do not denigrate the saw. But it cost me so much. Some guys just say
"Well sell it!". But I have never sold anything without cursing the
buyer! :-<

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:49:39 GMT, "patrick conroy"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
>Black and Decker "Mouse" Detail Sander.
>

Interesting, as I have one and have used the heck out of it on small
pieces that my 6" ROS would gouge or just plain couldn't reach.


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 15:45:18 -0500, "Lee Gordon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>A few years ago a friend gifted me with a Sears Craftsman detail sander, a
>dinky little motorized tool that resembles my old Norelco triple-head shaver
>except with three little sandpaper pads, each about the size of a quarter,
>instead of the "rotary blades" the razor was equipped with. What a POS. I
>think the shaver had more horsepower, and I know it was more useful. In
>addition to having less torque than your average electric pencil sharpener,
>this "tool" was rendered even more worthless because one or more of the
>cheesy plastic pads upon which the sanding disks were mounted constantly
>popped off during use.
>
>Lee

OK, that pretty much has got to be the winner.




+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

I've got to go with the detail sander. Luckily mine was a $9.99 Harbor
Freight model; seems like the more upscale ones are just as useless.
Lewis


"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

I missed that one. Audience participation today will undoubtedly suffer.

David

Leon wrote:

> I think a google search of a few weeks ago will reveal the answers to this
> same question.
>
>
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>>when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>>unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>>David
>
>
>

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in news:design-483E50.08194612012005
@nr-tor01.bellnexxia.net:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> A craftsman sheet sander (1972 vintage purchased new). It made so much
>> noise and sanded so poorly, I just put it away. I just ordered a PC
>> speedboc to make up for that mistake.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
> Yup.. know it well. Still a source for much laughter during 'What NOT to
> buy' seminars.
> The paper stays stationary whilst the sander body vibrates like a
> sunnvabitch till your hand swells up.
> Narry a scuff upon thyne work surface.
>
> A TRUE contender for The Hall Of Crap, but too hilarious to throw out.
>
> *chuckling at the thought*
>
> Rob

Screwed up my shoulder and elbow enough to cost me 6 months of golf, due to
the tendenitis. It's still around here somewhere, but I put it in the box
of tools designated as the ones the kids can use and loan out.

Should have just chucked it...

Patriarch

IIRC the thread did include the Dremel and probably went back to before
Christmas.


"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I found a lot of chatter about Dremel; was that the thread you are
>referring to? Sidenote: you can't search Google Groups for any date in
>2005 unless you search all dates. Google's aware of the problem and as of
>late last night are still working to fix it. (Or so they promised me)
>
> David
>
> Leon wrote:
>
>> I think a google search of a few weeks ago will reveal the answers to
>> this same question.
>>
>>
>>
>> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>>>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>>>when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>>>unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>>
>>>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>>
>>>David
>>
>>

Lee, I had to laugh when reading your post because I looked over that
very sander at Sears one day. I think each pad had about twelve flecks
of grit apiece; they should last all of maybe 2 minutes? Rubbing a
well-calloused finger over the workpiece might be more effective.

David

Lee Gordon wrote:

> A few years ago a friend gifted me with a Sears Craftsman detail sander, a
> dinky little motorized tool that resembles my old Norelco triple-head shaver
> except with three little sandpaper pads, each about the size of a quarter,
> instead of the "rotary blades" the razor was equipped with. What a POS. I
> think the shaver had more horsepower, and I know it was more useful. In
> addition to having less torque than your average electric pencil sharpener,
> this "tool" was rendered even more worthless because one or more of the
> cheesy plastic pads upon which the sanding disks were mounted constantly
> popped off during use.
>
> Lee
>

Is that the Profile sander? I bought one with all of the rubber sanding
heads. Never used the tool, but used the sanding heads by hand. An expensive
set.
max

> Mine is the PC detail sander, and I predict it will be the winner (or looser).
>

I once had a cabinet job that included two large units with a lot of surface
area. I wanted to apply polyurethane but hated brushing. I bought a Wagner
airless sprayer at Sears. Read the instructions (I think) and proceeded to
spray less than half a quart of the stuff on the work and the rest on me and
the ground. My hand also went to sleep holding it. I was pretty pissed off.
I took it back to Sears and they gave me my money back.
max

> A craftsman sheet sander (1972 vintage purchased new). It made so much
> noise and sanded so poorly, I just put it away. I just ordered a PC
> speedboc to make up for that mistake.
>
> Bob
>

Naw, my power plane is great. Of course, I only paid $3 for it at a garage
sale. If I paid $75, it would be close to the top of the list.

I believe the rotozip is designed with one purpose in mind: Breaking the
little bits it uses. I broke all 3 or 4 of the bits that came with mine the
first time I tried to use it. I've used the thing to collect dust ever
sense.





"TaskMule" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Rotozip.
>>
>> Cuts holes for outlet boxes in drywall, but only if you use metal
>> boxes. Other than that I haven't found anything useful for this thing
>> to do.
>>
>
> And destroys the vapour barrier you've carefully sealed around electrical
> boxes
>
>

I saw that episode. AAMOF, it's the ONLY episode of Big that I've seen.
I had no idea that there was such a large hand held planer .

David

[email protected] wrote:
> David wrote:
>
>>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand
>
> plane.
>
>>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of
>
> studs
>
>>when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>
>
>>unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
>
> You guys ever watch "BIG" on the Discovery Channel? They built a BIG
> electric guitar, 9x the size and used a 12" power planer at one point.
>

Australopithecus scobis wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, Bob Schmall wrote:
>
>
>>>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
>
> X-acto rotary tool. Came out when Dremel was just hitting the market.
> Has a 1/16" collet with runout of 1/8"...
>

All of my older plug-in electric drills. Ever since the rechargeable
ones have become decent the old plug in ones are a pain and not worth
the trouble....

"Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Rotozip.
>
> Cuts holes for outlet boxes in drywall, but only if you use metal
> boxes. Other than that I haven't found anything useful for this thing
> to do.
>

And destroys the vapour barrier you've carefully sealed around electrical
boxes

"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> It's funny, different strokes and stuff. I've lived without a bandsaw for
> a
> long time, and am going to keep right on living without one for awhile
> yet.
> I have become convinced, by a combination of a need for retail therapy of
> the boy's toys sort, and the general pressure of the Wreck, that I need a
> BS. :)
>
> I really can't quite think what I will do with it. A few things, maybe,
> but
> it looks like it needs a lot of tuning, practice and add-ons to use a
> BS. ;)

Do you have a jig saw? If so, much of what you do on a bandsaw (cutting
curves) can be done with a hand held rather than stationary tool. It is
nice to have the ability of re-sawing though. And while not "needed" in a
lot of cases, I find it to be very handy for the smaller cuts. Of course any
power tool can be done without.

I have one of the planers. I hear this all the time, and I use mine for all
kinds of things. There was an article in FWW, PWW or one of the magazines a
couple of issues ago that discussed flattening a large board. I was doing a
large top to a dresser and was using hand planes. This article used the
electric hand planer to take down high areas. I tried it and I admit, it
worked very well. You can finesse it well (just like a belt sander) if you
are careful. After the large areas are done, go back to the hand planes.
Can't say that any of my tools are useless (except maybe the drill sharpener
that I got at Homier). I haven't used my old right angle drill adapter more
than once in 30 years (except about 3 wks ago) or my Fein or Sears detail
sanders, but once in a while they have some uses, especially the Fein. When
it does get used, nothing would do the job better. Dremmel tools are not
used much, but they are the only solution at times. I don't use my wood
lath much anymore since I have not built early american furniture in about
25 years, but I would not want to be without it.

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11 Jan 2005 10:48:43 -0800, Chuck <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I was just thinking about buying one of these to shave down some
> > sticking doors. What's so bad about them?
>
> Are you anywhere near Milwaukee or Madison? I'll give you a hell of
> a deal.
>

"Thomas Kendrick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1105497028.a053889f8e48f02bead3acb7cd23e3bc@teranews...
> The Wagner "power painter" (AKA power dripper) that I bought in
> partnership with another friend. After he completed his project, I got
> to keep it. 90% paint on ground, 10% thrown at wall.
> It was disassembled for cleaning, then finally thrown away.

Hey, I have one of them. Somewhere. Taken apart to clean, but never
reassembled. Never will be either. Yes, it is the top of my useless list
for sure.

I gotta go with the rotozip again...

2nd place would be this cheap skil sawz-all hybrid thing that moved too slow
and had no power.

Beyond any doubt. Worst tool ever made by a reputable company.

I found a lot of chatter about Dremel; was that the thread you are
referring to? Sidenote: you can't search Google Groups for any date in
2005 unless you search all dates. Google's aware of the problem and as
of late last night are still working to fix it. (Or so they promised me)

David

Leon wrote:

> I think a google search of a few weeks ago will reveal the answers to this
> same question.
>
>
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>>when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>>unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>>David
>
>
>

Good point. I think I've gotten about three dollars usage from that
sucker. :) Don't remember what it cost, but it was not a bargain for me.

David

toller wrote:

> Naw, my power plane is great. Of course, I only paid $3 for it at a garage
> sale. If I paid $75, it would be close to the top of the list.
>
>

"Joe Wells" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:31:21 -0600, Henry St.Pierre wrote:

>
> It wasn't easy. I mean, it has a cord and everything! The thing sat on the
> floor of my office for months before I finally marched it to the trash
> can.
>
> The odd thing is that my life has gotten so much better since I
> chucked it. I have a better job, more tools in the shop, a good dog. I'm
> pretty sure my teeth are whiter now. Damn, I shoulda thrown that thing
> away years ago...


No, you are confused, all that good stuff started happening when you
started playing your Country Western record albums backwards.

Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:23:26 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> "Thomas Kendrick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:1105497028.a053889f8e48f02bead3acb7cd23e3bc@teranews...
>>> The Wagner "power painter" (AKA power dripper) that I bought in
>>> partnership with another friend. After he completed his project, I
>>> got to keep it. 90% paint on ground, 10% thrown at wall. It was
>>> disassembled for cleaning, then finally thrown away.
>>
>> Hey, I have one of them. Somewhere. Taken apart to clean, but never
>> reassembled. Never will be either. Yes, it is the top of my useless
>> list for sure.
>
> My Wagner painter is the only tool that I've ever thrown away.
>

I keep meaning to throw mine away, but as I get near the trash can my feet
feet slow down and I start to shake and I just can't throw the useless POS
away. I must need a 12 step program.
Hank

Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
> Unless you have everything. If you do, shaddup about it. :)
>
Some of us who have nearly everything still don't have the time or space to
use most of it. So I've sold off a few of the less used pieces of gear.
Haven't missed them so far.

Patriarch

"Old Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> OK. Bit of a troll of sorts. I did it not to get a bite, but I am
> surpirised by the lack of nibbles.
>
> In a few words, you have to be sure you need one, because cheap ones
> are not much good, and expensive are expensive and _relatively_
> limited in use. They are better than a planer, or jointer, or
> thicknesser in versatility, probably, but still surprisingly limited.
> They certainly do not replace a love of woodwork and care for the job.

stuff snipped here and there
> I would have been far better off spending the money, which was more

> than I had spent on any other ww tool I owned, on wood, or other
> tools, or even the furniture I was not making while I learnt how much
> more work I was going to have to do to make the TS really useful.

I'm one of the happy lemmings that bought a table saw. I like it, I use it,
I won't be without it.

But, there are plenty of craftsman that don't have one and turn out work far
superior to mine. There was good woodwork before electricity. Nick, you
have the right idea of at least exposing people to other options.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

Keith wrote:
> My most useless (or, the least used of anything I ever bought) would have to
> be the PC profile sander. I bought the accessories too so now I have more
> than just the profile sander just sitting there.
>
> My wife says anything not used for at least two years is useless and should
> be thrown out. But, next week I might need it - right :O)
>
> Pack Rat
>
Not true about tools. Wives relate everything to clothing!
Ain't true for mens clothes either.

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:36:03 -0700, Wes Stewart <n7ws_@_yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>|
>|"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>|news:[email protected]...
>|> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>|> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>|> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>|> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>|>
>|> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>|>
>|> David
>|
>|For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
>|never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>|tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
>|years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>
>Maybe. The heavy-duty ones were. To meet current code, you need to
>replace that old cord with a new four-wire one and a dedicated 30A
>circuit.
>
>I was given something similar, but it was an electric screwdriver.
>Nice screwdriver... with a 120V cord coming out of the handle. Worked
>okay on short screws, but longer ones caused the cord to twist so much
>that you had to keep backing up toward the outlet as you drove the
>screw. The other problem was that the handle was PVC and if you
>turned it too fast, static charge built up on it and caused the
>sawdust on the shop floor to explode. I glued on a piece of aluminum
>foil and grounded it to a cold water pipe and that fixed that.
>
>You can never be too careful around power tools.

Clap clap clap... nice one!


Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

Mine tends to burn them (bits) rather than break them. :) A keyhole saw
makes a lot mess when cutting sheetrock, although with the vacuum
attachment, the RZ isn't quite the ungodly fine-dust generator it is by
itself.

David

Kyle Boatright wrote:

> I believe the rotozip is designed with one purpose in mind: Breaking the
> little bits it uses. I broke all 3 or 4 of the bits that came with mine the
> first time I tried to use it. I've used the thing to collect dust ever
> sense.
>
>
>
>
>
> "TaskMule" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Ray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Rotozip.
>>>
>>>Cuts holes for outlet boxes in drywall, but only if you use metal
>>>boxes. Other than that I haven't found anything useful for this thing
>>>to do.
>>>
>>
>>And destroys the vapour barrier you've carefully sealed around electrical
>>boxes
>>
>>
>
>
>

I'll second that emotion, Leon. My Wagner is up in the attic out of
reach of anyone wishing to use a decent sprayer.

David

Leon wrote:

> I'll add to the list. Although I no longer own one, any tool made by Wagner
> fills the bill.
>

I got one for a gift, Xmas of '03. If memory serves me well, it was the
only gift I returned. 'Twas a Bad & Decker. A silly little pin was
supposed to hold it on the wall--NOT! Now they use a silly suction cup;
not sure which is the worse idea.

David

TaskMule wrote:


>
> Laser level
>
>

Ryobi 14.4V cordless trim saw. Damn thing can't cut a 3/4" sheet of plywood
in half on two batteries.


"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:59:03 -0500, "TaskMule"
<[email protected]> vaguely proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> David
>
>Laser level


Interesting. What sort and why?

"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?

Black and Decker "Mouse" Detail Sander.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Kyle Boatright" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've used the thing to collect dust ever
> sense.

I trust you keep it grounded.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote:

> A craftsman sheet sander (1972 vintage purchased new). It made so much
> noise and sanded so poorly, I just put it away. I just ordered a PC
> speedboc to make up for that mistake.
>
> Bob
>

Yup.. know it well. Still a source for much laughter during 'What NOT to
buy' seminars.
The paper stays stationary whilst the sander body vibrates like a
sunnvabitch till your hand swells up.
Narry a scuff upon thyne work surface.

A TRUE contender for The Hall Of Crap, but too hilarious to throw out.

*chuckling at the thought*

Rob

In article <BE09DB06.40540%[email protected]>,
max <[email protected]> wrote:

> I once had a cabinet job that included two large units with a lot of surface
> area. I wanted to apply polyurethane but hated brushing. I bought a Wagner
> airless sprayer at Sears. Read the instructions (I think) and proceeded to
> spray less than half a quart of the stuff on the work and the rest on me and
> the ground. My hand also went to sleep holding it. I was pretty pissed off.
> I took it back to Sears and they gave me my money back.
> max
>
> > A craftsman sheet sander (1972 vintage purchased new). It made so much
> > noise and sanded so poorly, I just put it away. I just ordered a PC
> > speedboc to make up for that mistake.
> >
> > Bob
> >
>

And THAT reminds me of some 'special' edition Simonize High Pressure
sprayer/washer.. it's a blue thing..looks like a Hoover Vac. So many
were retuned to Canadian Tire, that 90% of all the boxes were opened and
taped shut... then a 'refurbished' sale had 20 of them..and nobody
wanted them at half the price...... I guess it wasn't performing as
advertised.

Sorta-kinda like the PC profile sander.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> > About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> > when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> > unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
> >
> > What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
> >
> > David
>
> For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
> never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
> tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
> years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>
> Bob
>
>

Maybe it was designed for metric volts.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (O D) wrote:

> Has to be the PC 4X24 belt sander.
> Nice tool , good power, works good if you can handle it. Need arms like
> gorilla to work with it.
>

HEY! I love that thing! With a 36 grit belt mounted, there is nothing
that removes material like that puppy...(or eats a cord as
efficiently)DAMHIKT... short of maybe the Milwaukee 4x24 version...<G>
For scribing the backs of countertops... there's nothing like it.

It's the 3x21 352VS I dislike. Aside from it eating motor bearings (I
can't cross reference them to other bearing mfg's) the thing is wayyy to
heavy for 7 amp 3x21 kiddie sander.... Truly a substandard tool for my
applications.
#2.. the original PC pocket cutter. What a wobbly, screaming POS that
was. LONG gone.
#3.. PC profile sander LONG gone.

none of the above 3 in particular order.
Funny how those three pieces are all PC... and yet I swear by their
production routers, and a lot of their other tools are great although I
have been buying Hitachi MV12's lately with great success.

*turning ramble mode OFF*

Rob

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> David
>
>For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
>never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
>years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>
>Bob
>


Bob:

It's a Polish Power Hammer.

You ain't never gonna be able to use it, cause you're German.

Pawlowski prolly has the manual.

(watson - who already knows that the Poles invented whiskey so the
Irish wouldn't take over the world - so don't bother)

{don't tell me them Pollaks ain't smart - I married one - er...wait a
minute}

<watson - who just checked with his own personal Pollak and she says
that she knows a lot of Pollak jokes - but only one Irish one - and
she married it - ...sigh>





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On 12 Jan 2005 20:22:35 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:37:32 GMT, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
>>>never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>>>tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
>>>years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>>>
>> Jeez! Everyone knows electric hammers are three-phase. You've probably
>> blown the start capacitor tinkering with it.
>


IIRC from my EE power course, three-phase motors don't need a starting
cap -- they are self starting because the field is always rotating.

>Yeah, but delta, or wye?



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<<For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That
thing never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the
fuses,
tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
years now. Do you think it might be 220v?>>

You can convert this to a cordless model. Lee Valley sells the conversion
kit:

http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.asp?page=10238&category=2,42706,40720&ccurrency=2&SID=

Lee
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"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:15:30 GMT, toller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Beyond any doubt. Worst tool ever made by a reputable company.
>
>
> What, a newsreader that posts without including any context, you mean?


You did not see the text? Maybe you should get a new news reader.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:10:43 GMT, Joe_Stein <[email protected]>
wrote:

>220v & 3 phase
>Joe

Iz dat one a dem zen koan things?




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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 09:49:11 -0800, David <[email protected]> wrote:

>I found a lot of chatter about Dremel; was that the thread you are
>referring to? Sidenote: you can't search Google Groups for any date in
>2005 unless you search all dates. Google's aware of the problem and as
>of late last night are still working to fix it. (Or so they promised me)
>
>David
>
>Leon wrote:
>
>> I think a google search of a few weeks ago will reveal the answers to this
>> same question.
>>
I think it was the "FESS UP" one??


mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:

>For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
>never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
>years now. Do you think it might be 220v?

It's no doubt a 220v Whitworth model, Bob. Sell it on Ebay.uk


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I think a google search of a few weeks ago will reveal the answers to this
same question.



"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

Joe Wells <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>
>
> My Wagner painter is the only tool that I've ever thrown away.
>

A good clearing out is theraputic. Chucking useless crap that clogs the
shop also makes place in our shops for new, even more useless crap.

And the dumpster divers and rust hunters amongst us have something about
which to gloat.

Patriarch,
who hauled three large boxes of offcuts up to the country place this
weekend, and enjoyed the fire...

A Roto Zip



"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

> I'll add to the list. Although I no longer own one, any tool made by
> Wagner
> fills the bill.
>
I only used mine twice, but it did a pretty good job with transparent stain.

"Tom Watson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, "Bob Schmall" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>>
>>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>>
>>> David
>>
>>For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That
>>thing
>>never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
>>tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than
>>20
>>years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>>
>>Bob
>>
>
>
> Bob:
>
> It's a Polish Power Hammer.
>
> You ain't never gonna be able to use it, cause you're German.

Hey! My busia (grandmama) was a Potryzbowski! My Grandpapa was part Trepczyk
(although he never admitted it).

> Pawlowski prolly has the manual.
>
> (watson - who already knows that the Poles invented whiskey so the
> Irish wouldn't take over the world - so don't bother)

The word "whiskey" is derived from the Gaelic. The Irish invented it
themselves.

> {don't tell me them Pollaks ain't smart - I married one - er...wait a
> minute}

This would seem to prove the opposite--that the Irish are smarter than the
Poles.
Nah.

> <watson - who just checked with his own personal Pollak and she says
> that she knows a lot of Pollak jokes - but only one Irish one - and
> she married it - ...sigh>

I like this woman.

Bob

220v & 3 phase
Joe




Bob Schmall wrote:
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>>when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>>unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>>David
>
>
> For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
> never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
> tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
> years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>
> Bob
>
>

"Bob Schmall" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>>
>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>>
>> David
>
> For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That
> thing never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the
> fuses, tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for
> more than 20 years now. Do you think it might be 220v?
>
> Bob

Lotsa good, solid, pragmatic answers. You guys are so great. Sob.

Bob

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:35:19 GMT, max <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

>I once had a cabinet job that included two large units with a lot of surface
>area. I wanted to apply polyurethane but hated brushing. I bought a Wagner
>airless sprayer at Sears. Read the instructions (I think) and proceeded to
>spray less than half a quart of the stuff on the work and the rest on me and
>the ground. My hand also went to sleep holding it. I was pretty pissed off.
>I took it back to Sears and they gave me my money back.

Lucky SOB. I kept trying mine for years and ended up running over with
a Front End Loader. That was the best I ever had from it.

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:27:15 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>> I really can't quite think what I will do with it. A few things, maybe,
>>> but
>>> it looks like it needs a lot of tuning, practice and add-ons to use a
>>> BS. ;)
>
>> Do you have a jig saw? If so, much of what you do on a bandsaw (cutting
>> curves) can be done with a hand held rather than stationary tool. It is
>
>Yeah, I do, and I use it about 1.5 times a year. I have a scrollsaw too,
>which I've used about... Well, once. I finally used it for something. I
>made a tube clamp for my wife's bile bag. Prettiest brass and walnut tube
>clamp any woman's bile bag ever had. :) I had the kids help me make it.
>

Do you have free plans? I'm not asking for pictures, thank-you.

>Anyway, I'm sure I'd figure out something to do with a bandsaw. It would be
>handy for cutting up turning stock, say, which I am currently doing with
>hand tools. I don't turn much though. Perhaps because I'm cutting up all
>my turning stock with hand tools. Kind of a chicken and egg thing, isn't
>it? :)

I find that I don't use the bandsaw a whole lot, and even less since I
got a real jig saw. Unless you are going to be doing a lot of re-sawing,
it's probably a "nice to have" vs. something you're really missing.





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"patrick conroy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> Black and Decker "Mouse" Detail Sander.
>
>

Mine gave up the ghost on it's first use. Damned if I could find the
receipt. so I was stuck with it. I used the cable to replace the one that my
electric planer ate.

Mekon

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 17:40:08 -0600, Bob Schmall wrote:

>> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?

X-acto rotary tool. Came out when Dremel was just hitting the market.
Has a 1/16" collet with runout of 1/8"...

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On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:52:57 -0800, David wrote:

> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

Benchtop tools. I had a bench band saw and a bench table saw. Both under
powered and a poor match for my long term needs.

dga

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 03:23:26 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "Thomas Kendrick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1105497028.a053889f8e48f02bead3acb7cd23e3bc@teranews...
>> The Wagner "power painter" (AKA power dripper) that I bought in
>> partnership with another friend. After he completed his project, I got
>> to keep it. 90% paint on ground, 10% thrown at wall. It was disassembled
>> for cleaning, then finally thrown away.
>
> Hey, I have one of them. Somewhere. Taken apart to clean, but never
> reassembled. Never will be either. Yes, it is the top of my useless list
> for sure.

My Wagner painter is the only tool that I've ever thrown away.

--
Joe Wells

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:31:21 -0600, Henry St.Pierre wrote:

> I keep meaning to throw mine away, but as I get near the trash can my feet
> feet slow down and I start to shake and I just can't throw the useless POS
> away. I must need a 12 step program.

It wasn't easy. I mean, it has a cord and everything! The thing sat on the
floor of my office for months before I finally marched it to the trash
can.

The odd thing is that my life has gotten so much better since I
chucked it. I have a better job, more tools in the shop, a good dog. I'm
pretty sure my teeth are whiter now. Damn, I shoulda thrown that thing
away years ago...

--
Joe Wells

On 11 Jan 2005 10:48:43 -0800, "Chuck" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I was just thinking about buying one of these to shave down some
>sticking doors. What's so bad about them?
>
>Chuck


Not that I'd want to prevent you from buying a tool (even a bad tool
purchase is better than NO tool purchase)...

I just finished fixing 3 sticking doors using a cheap hand plane, no
sweat.

Also did one with a random-orbital sander, just to see how bad it
would be. Actually, I wish I'd used it for the other 3.

YMMV
Mike

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

Ohhhhhhh... I have one....

A electric power washer that my mother-in-law bought
me from Walmart. It wouldn't wash the hub caps on my
truck, little less concrete.

I believe the machine is actually ashamed of it's self.

I am ashamed to throw it away and actually disappoint
another person with how terrible it really is. I would
never be allowed in the dump again.


Henry St.Pierre wrote:

>
>
>>My Wagner painter is the only tool that I've ever thrown away.

> I keep meaning to throw mine away, but as I get near the trash can my feet
> feet slow down and I start to shake and I just can't throw the useless POS
> away. I must need a 12 step program.
> Hank

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:34:04 -0600, Thomas Kendrick <[email protected]>
wrote:

>The Wagner "power painter" (AKA power dripper) that I bought in
>partnership with another friend. After he completed his project, I got
>to keep it. 90% paint on ground, 10% thrown at wall.

You forgot to include the fact that of that 10% thrown on the wall, 90%
of it went into one place and formed a huge drip

>It was disassembled for cleaning, then finally thrown away.
>
>"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of
>studs when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs.
>I'm unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
>David
>



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"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:43:48 -0800, David <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I'll second that emotion, Leon. My Wagner is up in the attic out of
>>reach of anyone wishing to use a decent sprayer.
>>
>>David
>
> That raises an interesting question, why do we continue to hang on to
> tools that we have proven to ourselves to be useless?

I'll go with male ego/stubborness/machismo--whatever.

Bob

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:52:57 -0800, David <[email protected]> vaguely
proposed a theory
......and in reply I say!:

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Table saw.

>Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
>About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
>when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
>unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
>What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
>David

Well, the little rubber profiles work pretty well manually. I am not sure
what that thing with the cord on it is good for. ;~)

I'll add to the list. Although I no longer own one, any tool made by Wagner
fills the bill.



"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

Many years ago the Sears mail order house was the only game in town for
power tools.

First purchased was a Craftsman 3/8 power drill. Chuck broke on first use.
Mail ordered and paid for (too young and didn't know any better then)
another Craftsman chuck replacement and also broke on first use.

Craftsman RAS collecting dust in garage, used perhaps 10 times and motor
bearing went out - replaced by chop and table saw.

Craftsman belt sander - belt wonders all over the place, what a POS.

"David" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Each year, my nomination remains constant; a DeWALT 3-1/4" hand plane.
> About the only use it's seen is to knock down protruding edges of studs
> when I'm framing a wall with less than perfectly straight studs. I'm
> unable to find a use for it in cabinet or furniture making.
>
> What power tool do you regret buying/receiving?
>
> David

For my 40th birthday a friend gave me a hammer with a power cord. That thing
never did work right. In fact, it never ran at all. I changed the fuses,
tried grounded outlets, everything. It's been sitting there for more than 20
years now. Do you think it might be 220v?

Bob