Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
proceedure for multi session projects.
My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
cluter of my shop.
It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
talk one's wife into handleing that?
Just wondering.
Russ
Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
In article <[email protected]>,
Joe_Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another vote for "before, during & after" & John Kerry, too.
"I cleaned the shop after, before I cleaned it before"?
[email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (russ) wrote:
> >Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project?
> [snip]
> >It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> >wondering when exactly does a fella do that.
>
> "Clean as you go" seems to be the best AFAIC, although in my shop that's more
> often a goal to be aspired to, than it is a reality.
>
> >And is there anyway to talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> If you offer to do the cooking and cleaning she might go for it. But I'd
> advise against it -- you'll probably spend more time hunting for your tools
> than you do now.
....and she'll probably find her favorite paring knife you swore you didn't take!
Usually before starting a new project or phase of the current job. I make
an exception when it gets dangerous. I do find that if I'm doing repetitive
work (like lots of glueups), I get used to a pile of clamps next to the work
table.
"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:07:19 GMT, "Gary A"
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>I pay my 13 year old $10 to come down into my shop when it gets messy and
>help me shop vac and floor sweep until we're spotless. I try and clean while
>I go (like sweep around the table saw constantly towards the floor
>collection vent I have in my DC system) and then do the major cleanup at end
>of each project.
I just put a floor sweep on my DC and LOVE it. I need to put a
handle on it so I can use it instead of a broom and floor sweep.
The 4" flex line I got from Amazon (50' for $26, free shipping)
is great for that, and it even self-retracts. ;)
I have no kids so I get to clean up on my own. Making toys to
make that more fun is where it's at. I think a PVC pipe will
work well; heat-bent and glued to the sweep.
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"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
During and after.
For a noob - I find the more I *think* about what I'm going to do before I
akshully do it - the fewer mistakes I make. (Much to Paxton's dismay...)
When I need think time, I grab the vacuum.
Before - During - After- It never seems to get completly clean however.
Dave
"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
Before, which is to say, after.
The purpose of having a clean shop is to have room to work. Eye candy isn't
my thing.
"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
when my wife demands to park the car in my shop
russ wrote:
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
I clean (pick up loose items) daily and leave the sawdust that escapes the
dust collector and air filter on the floor until I have finished the
construction and sanding on a project. The day before I am ready to apply
finish to the project I do a really good job of vaccuming the floor and all
other horizontal and vertical surfaces that I can reach to get rid of as
much of the really fine dust as possiable from inside of my shop. My vaccum
has a Clean Stream vaccum filter installed in it so it dumps a minimum of
really fine dust back into the air. I find that my finishing results have
improved signifigantly by removing as much of the dust as possiable. By
doing this the day before or at least several hours before almost all the
remaining airborne dust will settle out or be picked up by the air filter
before I begin my finishing. With a minimum of dust on the floor and other
surfaces, my movement in the shop while applying finishes stirs up much less
dust to settle on my project as it dries.
"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
[email protected] (russ) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
I clean my shop once every other month or so. It has been a while I
try to clean my shop right before I leave it and put everything on
it's place, but so far no chance. You will save lots of time during
each project if you clean you shop more often and you do not have to
look 10 minutes around for a sharp pencil or screw driver even if you
have 10 of each. After all you do not have to walk on top of pile of
scrap wood from one site of the shop to the other side how I do and
each time get agrevated.
When I was working in a big company in Germany, I found that they have
a good process for cleaning, a small put everything back on it's place
proces by end of each day, and a big Organaize and clean the shop by
end of each Friday, which I think it would be very nice i could get
myself to use to it.
Like you said, if you are a organized person by the nature, you will
keep you shop clean, other wise you will look for earything everytime
you need it like me.
good luck
Maxen
[email protected] (russ) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
As I go. I read somewhere that every time you enter your shop, put
away 10 tools. It only takes a couple of minutes, and it's a great
way to keep this straight.
Buck Turgidson wrote:
>> russ wrote:
>>> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
>>> procedure for multi session projects.
>>
>> I clean as I go. I find that it is safer to work in an uncluttered,
>> clean area, and the less the dust, the better in terms of polluting
>> your work.
My Dad had a great deal going - when his wife came down to the basement to
visit him, she would put tools away and sweep the floor. I don't know how
he managed that.
I have tried to keep the things used near a machine near that machine, I
hang the wrenches, hex wrenches, screw drivers used for that machine hung
on the wall near it. I honestly do get these things put back to their
places as I use them, they are duplicates I purchased for this purpose.
I'm sure I'd never find those "right" tools again if I didn't. Hey, a
little paranoia is a good thing.
But the main work bench does get cluttered as I try to keep the things I'm
working on and things I'm using right on the bench within easy reach. That
gets messy. And if I have to take a few things over to help a cousin or
neighbor, then those things tend to stay "messed up" a long time. Any
little spare place I have set aside as temp storage during a job gets
swamped. I'd like to work on getting picked up as I go then I could just
sweep the floor and be done until next time.
I've been in shops where the sawdust is thick on the floor like a carpet
and I find that a little scary. Is that kind of carpet a fire hazard?
Josie
On 14 Sep 2004 00:03:52 -0700, [email protected] (russ) wrote:
>Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project?
I "pick up" each day, putting away tools, scrap and good materials.
Total cleanup comes when I can't stand it anymore or I'm finishing
something in the actual shop. At that point, I'll Shop Vac the whole
place. My shop is in a basement, I usually finish in a garage.
Barry
I have managed to find a place for all my tools. I return them to the same
place everytime I put them away. Usually at the end of the day sometimes at
the beginning. Same for sweeping. Dusting is another issue. Maybe once a
month.
I tend to agree with Paul Sr. when he starts bellowing at Paul Jr. about
putting things away. (Orange County Chopper)
"TWS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:tDL1d.6407$n%[email protected]...
> Hand tools that have a 'place' go to that place when I've finished that
> phase of the work (chisels, screwdrivers, squares, etc.).
>
> Big tools get put back in their resting spot at the end of the project
> (so I can get my garage back to parking two vehicles).
>
> Sadly, there are a number of things on my desk that don't have a 'place'
> that never seem to go anywhere but back on to the desk so it's desk
> search mode whenever I need one of those things.
>
> Dust and shavings get swept sometimes, vaccuumed sometimes, during
> phases of a project but I always get out my leaf blower and blow out the
> shop before finishing (then run the air filter for a day) and after each
> project.
>
> All in all, I can find most things fairly quickly (unless it is a desk
> item).
>
> TWS
>
I pay my 13 year old $10 to come down into my shop when it gets messy and
help me shop vac and floor sweep until we're spotless. I try and clean while
I go (like sweep around the table saw constantly towards the floor
collection vent I have in my DC system) and then do the major cleanup at end
of each project.
Also get him to help me sharpen tools a couple of times a year. Hope he gets
the woodworking bug from coming down to help me, but best thing is I don't
have to do all the cleaning and sharpening.
Gary in KC
"Nick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Pay the kids to do it!
>
> "russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> > proceedure for multi session projects.
> >
> > My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> > reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> > you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> > Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> > it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> > too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> > again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> > stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
> >
> > It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> > little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> > cluter of my shop.
> >
> > It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> > wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> > talk one's wife into handleing that?
> >
> > Just wondering.
> >
> > Russ
> >
> > Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
>
>
[email protected] (russ) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
Someone, here I think, recommended putting away six 'things' whenever they
came into the shop. Big things. Little things. Any six things. Their
rule, so whatever fit the bill, obeyed the rule.
I try to do that now. It's the only way I come close to being able to keep
up with the clutter. It's safer and better for the edge tools, too.
Thanks, who ever it was taught that lesson.
Patriarch
Dave Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote in
news:150920041655330461%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Joe_Stein <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Another vote for "before, during & after" & John Kerry, too.
>
>
> "I cleaned the shop after, before I cleaned it before"?
>
Yesterday, for most of the day, it was 'instead of'. Cleaned out the shop.
Cleaned out the truck. Made a recycling run. Sorted the router bits. Put
the tools where they belonged. Planned a home-made chip 'cyclone'
seperator.
Dreamed about finding another 150 sq ft. Put that thought away, too.
Patriarch
When I must! :-)
Wayne
"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
I clean my shop at the end of the day. If you work in a messy shop
with sawdust all over the place, the chance of an accident increases.
Plus, have you ever dropped a screw or piece of chipped wood that you
need into a pile of sawdust? I like starting the day in a
(reasonably) clean shop where I know where all the tools are stored,
but to each his own. It takes less than 10 minutes to tidy up my
shop; ie, put the tools away, place scrap wood pieces into a bin and
sweep. While cleaning up, I run the shop air filter.
On 14 Sep 2004 00:03:52 -0700, [email protected] (russ) wrote:
>Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
>proceedure for multi session projects.
>
>My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
>reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
>you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
>Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
>it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
>too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
>again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
>stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
>It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
>little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
>cluter of my shop.
>
>It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
>wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
>talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>Russ
>
>Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
Pay the kids to do it!
"russ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
Another vote for "before, during & after" & John Kerry, too.
Joe
russ wrote:
> Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
> proceedure for multi session projects.
>
> My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
> reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
> you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
> Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
> it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
> too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
> again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
> stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
> It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
> little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
> cluter of my shop.
>
> It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
> wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
> talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
> Just wondering.
>
> Russ
>
> Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
On 14 Sep 2004 00:03:52 -0700, [email protected] (russ) wrote:
>Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project? What's the
>proceedure for multi session projects.
After. There's no sawdust before I do a project! For Multi-session
projects, I clean up at the end of each session, and always sweep and
shop-vac the whole thing before applying any stain or topcoat. I do
some minor metalwork in my shop as well (usually just making small
frames to mount benchtop tools) and it's imperitive to get the sawdust
up before making any kind of sparks. When I was in high school, I had
a chemistry teacher who kept a small squeeze bottle of sawdust in the
classroom, and he would demonstrate the increased flammibilty of wood
when ground fine buy squirting a little stream of it past a bunsen
burner. The result was a massive fireball- hardly the sort of thing I
want around my tools.
Anyhow, shame on me for responding, since this seems too obvious a
question to be anything but a troll.
>My dad demonstrated the never clean your shop lifestyle. If for some
>reason you can't find one of the 5 or 6 identical tools that you know
>you own... simply put project on hold and go garage sailing.
>Eventually you will find what you need and the 6 month delay will make
>it clear if afore mentioned project really needs doing. If shop gets
>too crowded no problem simply expand shop... again, or build barn...
>again. (I should mention that out of that chaos has come a steady
>stream of the amazing. Mostly in oak, Cherry and Walnut.)
>
>It is clear that I am my daddy's boy. I am hard wired to spend a
>little much a little to often on tools and then loose them in the
>cluter of my shop.
>
>It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
>wondering when exactly does a fella do that. And is there anyway to
>talk one's wife into handleing that?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>Russ
>
>Yes I know I can't spell, no I don't really care.
Hand tools that have a 'place' go to that place when I've finished that
phase of the work (chisels, screwdrivers, squares, etc.).
Big tools get put back in their resting spot at the end of the project
(so I can get my garage back to parking two vehicles).
Sadly, there are a number of things on my desk that don't have a 'place'
that never seem to go anywhere but back on to the desk so it's desk
search mode whenever I need one of those things.
Dust and shavings get swept sometimes, vaccuumed sometimes, during
phases of a project but I always get out my leaf blower and blow out the
shop before finishing (then run the air filter for a day) and after each
project.
All in all, I can find most things fairly quickly (unless it is a desk
item).
TWS
In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (russ) wrote:
>Do you clean your shop before or after you do a project?
[snip]
>It would seem this cleaning concept might be a good idea. So I am
>wondering when exactly does a fella do that.
"Clean as you go" seems to be the best AFAIC, although in my shop that's more
often a goal to be aspired to, than it is a reality.
>And is there anyway to talk one's wife into handleing that?
If you offer to do the cooking and cleaning she might go for it. But I'd
advise against it -- you'll probably spend more time hunting for your tools
than you do now.
--
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Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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