Assembly Bench Completed

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:10:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:37:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>>>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>>>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>>>
>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>> table has enough. ;~)
>>>>
>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>
>>>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>
>>>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>>>
>>> Very nice.
>>>
>>> How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?
>>
>> The ceiling of a garage is a good place for a lot of this sort of
>> thing.
>>
>
>I used to store stuff like that way up there, total PIA, plus my cieling
>are 12~16" taller now.

I used to store all my ladders hanging from the ceiling. I had pulleys
and lines for each one to help put them away. Worked well.

Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 10:15:09 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, they are to replace some 6 year old Jack Daniels Whiskey barrels.
>> We'll see how well they hold up. I bought them BTW. ;~)
>
> Yep, I'm familiar with those planters. They eventually decay. Taking a
> cue from those barrels (giving a try at barrel and bucket making), long
> ago I made this planter bucket/home decor, adding an accent rope handle:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/5323301973/in/photostream

Cool planter. Did you make the plant too? :-)



>
> With our near 80° weather, I'm getting the spring-planting fever, also.
> Monday, I mowed some of Mom's grass and thought about overhauling one
> flower bed and tilling the garden. I just don't have the all-day energy
> to multitask, that way, any more. The spring-time to-do list is
> growing. Jonas' son came over to help mow, as well.... about 3 acres to
> mow. I washed his car, while he mowed.
>
> Sonny
>

On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>
>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>
>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>
> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
> centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the Comet
> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>
> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.  Looks ok but
> takes up lots of floor/wall space.

When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.


I have neither left.  Too damn many
> tools/cabinets etc for that thing.  I have a 7' tool cabinet on wheels
> the same height as my Tsaw.  So with that, and extensions front and side
> on the TSaw that works together as a 7x7' sanding/painting/assembly table.
>

On 2/18/2018 8:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:24:12 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>>> earlier...
>>>>
>>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>>
>>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>>>> the lower wings.
>>>>
>>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>>>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>
>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>
>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>
>>
>> Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
>> I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
>> Dead flat, light, cheap.
>>
>
> I've picked up a few hollow core door over the years 'cuz I kept hearing
> that they are "Dead flat, light, cheap". Maybe it's the doors I've tried
> 'cuz I only get 2 out of 3 and dead flat ain't one of them.
>
> This style:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/kwcSS1q.jpg
>
> The lower face of the main one in the picture is convex, the other one (on
> the right) is concave, as shown here:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/HzfZ1G3.jpg
>
> I've tossed 2 or 3 more that were also not flat.
>
> On the flip side, last week I ran across a local place on Offer-Up that has
> dozens of salvaged workbenches of all shapes and sizes. Some workbench tops
> without legs also. The guy was tossing around prices of $50 for tops, up to
> $150 for complete benches. I wasn't dressed to dig around and crawl through
> a salvage warehouse and I didn't have a straightedge with me anyway, but I'll
> be going back.
>
Hollow Core are not dead flat. A solid core door has a better chance
since they are particle board usually.

--
Jeff

On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>> together.
>>
>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>
>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
> ...
>
> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
> earlier...
>
> Flat assembly surfaces are always near priceless

Pre-cicely! Worthe their weight in gold!



-what's the height;
I mentioned earlier 50 lbs ish but maybe less, The top and bottom on one
side add up to 40" x 96". All vertical pieces are hollowed put, 2 long
on the sides and 5 shot perpendicular to the sides.
Just a hair over the weight od a full sheet of 1/2" ply. Light enough
to not be concerned about setting up and breaking down by my self.



I
> made mine somewhat lower so a 30" or so piece on top wasn't out of reach
> or such a strain to reach...but they weren't nearly so fancily-built,
> either!  :)
>
> --

I wanted large the large flat area as a work surface. I assemble FF's
and I want them to be flat. This should work for those. IIRC this is
about 39" tall.

A close look and this ain't so fancy, no sir! ;~) I was not going for
purdy so much as functional.


I will say the blue nylon webbing/straps to replace hinges and to limit
the splay of the legs works surprisingly well. I think I got 25' of it
for $11.

On Sun, 25 Feb 2018 11:19:39 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2/24/2018 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:47:30 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>>>>>>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok
>>>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
>>>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each is 96"
>>>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>>>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is 20"x17".
>>>
>>> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>>> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it. Kevin has
>>>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>>>> for it if I did need it.
>>>
>>>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for yourself.
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll take your advice on that. I think Kevin should build one,
>>> he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
>>> as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.
>>
>> If you mean me (it's "Keith", BTW), no it wouldn't be good for an
>> outfeed table, for the same reasons. I don't currently have one,
>> mostly because it hasn't floated to the top of the "do" list. But
>> when I do build one, it'll be made the same way as my cutting table. I
>> already have the parts (though haven't decided if I want it on
>> wheels).
>>
>Yes, sorry about the name, I always thought you were Kevin, not sure
>why. Also not sure what "the same reasons" are you mention that it
>wouldn't work as an outfeed table?

No problem with the name. I don't use it often on the Usenet, so I
wouldn't expect anyone to remember. They usually just use the
initials.

I didn't say it wouldn't work. It's whole purpose is to save space,
which is of no consequence for me. I'd rather have the outfeed table
as a permanent feature.

>What I don't like about it, assuming you are not tearing it down between
>uses, is it has no storage. I would put it on wheels, put drawered
>cabinet under the top and make it the right height for the TS outfeed.
>I try to have cabinets under most of my big tools, other than drill
>press, planer and shaper.

Exactly. Drawers take a lot of time to make, which is something I'm
dearly short of. Of course, right now I have time but can't
physically do the work (for the same reason I have time ;-).

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>
>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>> table has enough. ;~)
>>
>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>
> Very nice.

Thank you.


>
> How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?
>

Weight, not sure. Probably 50 ish. Lbs each. Light enough for me to pick
up in the middle and carry around by my self. Think about the weight of a
single sheet of 1/2" plywood. Just a little more than that. Because the
sides, ends, and inner supports have the middles cut out they are just a
few pounds total. Each section is 20"x96".

I think I will be standing them on their ends at a wall just behind the end
of the garage door support rail. I have 9' ceilings in my garage so that
should not be an issue.

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>> together.
>>>
>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>
>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>> ...
>>
>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>> earlier...
>
>Forgot to address in my precious response.
>
>The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>the lower wings.
>
>It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>
>https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/

See? The fishing works. ;-)

I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?

I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.

On 2/18/2018 5:32 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:10:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:37:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>>>>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>>>>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>>>>
>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>> table has enough. ;~)
>>>>>
>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>
>>>>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>
>>>>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>>>>
>>>> Very nice.
>>>>
>>>> How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?
>>>
>>> The ceiling of a garage is a good place for a lot of this sort of
>>> thing.
>>>
>>
>> I used to store stuff like that way up there, total PIA, plus my cieling
>> are 12~16" taller now.
>
> I used to store all my ladders hanging from the ceiling. I had pulleys
> and lines for each one to help put them away. Worked well.
>

I kept full sheets of plywood up there. ;~(

On 2/18/2018 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>
>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>> earlier...
>>
>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>
>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>> the lower wings.
>>
>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>
> See? The fishing works. ;-)

LOL
>
> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?

Well preciousely I cut on top of a grid of 2x4's and they were not flat
like this. I used a sheet of foam insulation board between sheets to
take the blade hit.

Ron Paulk, just uses thin strips of scrap plywood under the cut and to
support the keeper and waste side. I'm going to try that.


>
> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>

If room was no object..... ;~) Your method sounds great.

On 2/18/2018 6:24 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>> together.
>>>>>
>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>
>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>> earlier...
>>>
>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>
>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>>> the lower wings.
>>>
>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>>> to put my track with parallel guides.  It is normally an issue finding a
>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>
>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>
>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>
>
> Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
> I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
> Dead flat, light, cheap.
>
>
And that is a great use of those cheapie doors too. LOL

I finally wanted something 96" long and wider, 40". I can sit in the
middle of these torsion box sections and I get about 1/16" deflection.

On 2/25/2018 9:48 AM, Jack wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>> Would a picture help?
>>
>> I needed to add this to this drawing anyway.  ;~)
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39564825215/in/dateposted-public/
>>
> Now I get it, thanks.  So the wall space is 96" x 20" x 17.

A picture is worth a thousand words!


I think it
> was the "bottom of one against the top of the other" and ignoring the
> 96" dimension that threw me off.
>

Too many numbers. :~)

On 2/18/2018 9:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:44:24 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>>> earlier...
>>>>
>>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>>
>>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>>>> the lower wings.
>>>>
>>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>>>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>
>> LOL
>>>
>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>
>> Well preciousely I cut on top of a grid of 2x4's and they were not flat
>> like this. I used a sheet of foam insulation board between sheets to
>> take the blade hit.
>
> I've used 2x4s, too, but they're all twisted differently. Kinda
> defeats the purpose of a flat top. Foam insulation board had crossed
> my mind but foam is a PITA to get rid of.

Well the piece I have has the aluminum skin on both sides. There is
little to no foam escaping. But after using this piece for about 7
years it is getting to where it dies not lay flat. Seems to want to bow
on the side that has the most cuts. BUT it tends to be kinda easy to
break and can be a PIA.


>>
>> Ron Paulk, just uses thin strips of scrap plywood under the cut and to
>> support the keeper and waste side. I'm going to try that.
>
> Nice idea. At least they'll lie flat.

Yeah, but who has scraps. LOL


>>
>>>
>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>
>>
>> If room was no object..... ;~) Your method sounds great.
>
> No object at all. As long as it stays in the basement, SWMBO doesn't
> object. ;-) It's my 2000ft^2+ man cave. ;-)
>

That is like my whole house. LOL.

On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>> together.
>>
>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>
>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
> ...
>
> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
> earlier...

Forgot to address in my precious response.

The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
the lower wings.

It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/

On 2/24/2018 10:47 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the
>>>>>> bench?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4"
>>>>>> MDF
>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>>>>> centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.  Looks ok
>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>
>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".  You
>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>
>>>  From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>
>>
>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side.  Each is 96"
>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall.  If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is 20"x17".
>
> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?

I'm sorry but I cannot think of a simpler way to explain it. FWIW, I
said a 20x17 foot print, not 20x8.5.



>
>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it.  Kevin has
>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>> for it if I did need it.
>
>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for yourself.
>
> Thanks, I'll take your advice on that.  I think Kevin should build one,
> he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
> as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.

On 2/24/2018 10:47 AM, Jac
On 2/24/2018 10:53 AM, Leon wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
>>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>>
>>>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each
is 96"
>>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is
>>> 20"x17".
>>
>> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>
> I'm sorry but I cannot think of a simpler way to explain it. FWIW, I
> said a 20x17 foot print, not 20x8.5.


Would a picture help?

On 2/24/2018 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/24/2018 10:47 AM, Jac
> On 2/24/2018 10:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".
> You
> >>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
> >>>>
> >>>>  From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
> >>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
> >>>> anything 20x17"?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side.  Each
> is 96"
> >>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall.  If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
> >>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is
> >>> 20"x17".
> >>
> >> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
> >> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
> >
> > I'm sorry but I cannot think of a simpler way to explain it.  FWIW, I
> > said a 20x17 foot print, not 20x8.5.
>
>
> Would a picture help?

I needed to add this to this drawing anyway. ;~)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39564825215/in/dateposted-public/

On 2/27/2018 8:33 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/25/2018 12:07 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/25/18 10:19 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/24/2018 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:47:30 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the
>>>>>>>>>> bench?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of
>>>>>>>>>> 3/4" MDF
>>>>>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>>>>>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't
>>>>>>>>>> important. It's
>>>>>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work
>>>>>>>>> table "the
>>>>>>>>> centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the
>>>>>>>>> Comet
>>>>>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.
>>>>>>>>> Looks ok
>>>>>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".
>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>>>>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>>>>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side.  Each
>>>>>> is 96"
>>>>>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall.  If I stand both on end, 96" tall,
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is
>>>>>> 20"x17".
>>>>>
>>>>> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>>>>> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it.  Kevin
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>>>>>> for it if I did need it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for
>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, I'll take your advice on that.  I think Kevin should build
>>>>> one,
>>>>> he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same
>>>>> height
>>>>> as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean me (it's "Keith", BTW), no it wouldn't be good for an
>>>> outfeed table, for the same reasons.  I don't currently have one,
>>>> mostly because it hasn't floated to the top of the "do" list.  But
>>>> when I do build one, it'll be made the same way as my cutting table. I
>>>> already have the parts (though haven't decided if I want it on
>>>> wheels).
>>>>
>>> Yes, sorry about the name, I always thought you were Kevin, not sure
>>> why. Also not sure what "the same reasons" are you mention that it
>>> wouldn't work as an outfeed table?
>>>
>>> What I don't like about it, assuming you are not tearing it down
>>> between uses, is it has no storage.  I would put it on wheels, put
>>> drawered cabinet under the top and make it the right height for the TS
>>> outfeed. I  try to have cabinets under most of my big tools, other
>>> than drill press, planer and shaper.
>>>
>>
>> I believe the intended purpose of the table, as described by its
>> designer, it to be a portable work surface that is (relatively) light,
>> quickly set-up and torn down, and can be easily handled by one person,
>> and also have some of the features of a shop workbench, like
>> under-surface temporary tool storage.
>>
>> If you put wheels and cabinets underneath, when then you might as well
>> build a non-portable, regular shop work table.  :-)
>
> Yes, for Kevin, I mean Keith, that was my thoughts exactly.  He has
> 2000' of work space.  Wheels makes it portable enough.  For most a pair
> of saw horses is all that's needed for a portable work surface.  This
> thing Leon built is really just a fancy top for a pair of saw horses,
> and would seem best suited to hauling around to work sites.  Jay Bates
> has a youtube video of one he built, and made it permanent.

I only needed a "flat" assembly work surface. I already have adequate
out feed for my TS, 15 roller HTC fold down. I wanted it to break down
because I still take it to a location and more importantly when I'm not
working on a job or project my wife's car gets parked in the garage.
The fancy top, is very rigid and flat, the goal. The tool storage is
just a bonus. I'm in the middle of building a quilters design wall for
my wife and it is ironic that this 40x96 inch work surface is a bit too
narrow, but leaps and bounds better that anything I have used in the
past. Did I mention Flat and Rigid? LOL As far as fancy, nothing like
most others that have all of the holes drilled in the top. Jay's is the
acceptation to that too. But his is the older design built with 3/4"
material and 50% heavier than mine that I built with the later design
and 1/2" material.




>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvkdU5kkqA
>
> I see that as rather dumb, would prefer a cabinet with drawers and such
> for storage, and I'm not a fan of open shelves under a bench. They end
> up collecting junk thats hard to find and dig out. Drawers were invented
> for a reason.  There is a lot of stuff I'm not a fan of however, that
> many people love.  For example, those 5" thick,  solid maple, drawerless
> work benches with tool tray in the back of the top that all the books
> show.  What a waste they are (IMNSHO).
>

Yes, piling stuff under a bench is a RPIA. Drawers are my preference
also. I have 4 mobile and one stationary drawer units/chests.

On 2/18/2018 8:57 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:40:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 5:32 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:10:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:37:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>>>>>>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>>>>>>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>>>> table has enough. ;~)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?
>>>>>
>>>>> The ceiling of a garage is a good place for a lot of this sort of
>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I used to store stuff like that way up there, total PIA, plus my cieling
>>>> are 12~16" taller now.
>>>
>>> I used to store all my ladders hanging from the ceiling. I had pulleys
>>> and lines for each one to help put them away. Worked well.
>>>
>>
>> I kept full sheets of plywood up there. ;~(
>
> You said your bench top wasn't as heavy as a sheet of plywood. Didn't
> the plywood sag? I wouldn't think that would be a good way to store
> sheet goods.
>

I had a support system made up of 2x4's that had an interior opening of
54" wide and spaced 2' apart for 8'. The plywood would have had to bow
between the 2' spans. And I mostly had 3/4" sheet goods up there. AND
that was in a 2 car garage above the garage door.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:07:20 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2/20/2018 4:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>>> >centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>>> >cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>
>> We talked about these but, no, I didn't buy one. I looked at them but
>> decided that I really didn't need such portability. For outside use,
>> I have a six or eight of these:
>>
>> <https://www.homedepot.com/p/TOUGHBUILT-41-5-in-Folding-Sawhorse-TB-C550/205068379>
>
>They look nice, I built my own fold ups that work OK, and store outside
>on french cleats on my sheds outside wall.
>
>I wonder what on earth you do with six or eight of these things? I've
>never used more than two, and never used them in my shop, only for rare
>outside building projects. I think I used them 2-3x since I made them
>about 10 years ago.

I bought them to paint Hardi-plank siding but they're useful for
doors, too.

On 2/20/2018 9:22 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/20/18 8:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>
>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>
>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table
>>> "the centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the
>>> Comet cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>
>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.  Looks ok
>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>
>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".  You
>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>
>
> Depends on what you're staining, right?   :-p
> Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant.
>
>
;~)

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>
> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
> table has enough. ;~)
>
> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>
> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>
> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....

Very nice.

How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?

On Saturday, February 24, 2018 at 11:47:37 AM UTC-5, Jack Stein wrote:
> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
> > On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
> >> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
> >>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
> >>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
> >>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
> >>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
> >>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
> >>>>
> >>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
> >>>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
> >>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok
> >>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
> >>>
> >>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
> >>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
> >>
> >> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
> >> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
> >> anything 20x17"?
> >>
> >
> > Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each is 96"
> > long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
> > the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is 20"x17".
>
> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>

Stand an 8' 2x4 on end. How much floor space does it take up?

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:37:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>
>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>> table has enough. ;~)
>>
>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>
>Very nice.
>
>How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?

The ceiling of a garage is a good place for a lot of this sort of
thing.

On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:33:55 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

>
> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>
> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....

Getting to the party late.

Considering the size, weight, portability, etc., that's a practical solution for many folks. Neat idea, good job.

I see you have some planters, there. I suspect there's a Festool thumb joke lurking about, but I'm getting too far OT, already.

Sonny

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 8:17:53 AM UTC-6, Leon Bridges wrote:

> Cool planter. Did you make the plant too? :-)

LOL. No, it's fake, though. Most of these types of projects are given to friends or family. This planter is at Mom's.

Sonny

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 10:15:09 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

=20
> Yeah, they are to replace some 6 year old Jack Daniels Whiskey barrels.=
=20
> We'll see how well they hold up. I bought them BTW. ;~)

Yep, I'm familiar with those planters. They eventually decay. Taking a c=
ue from those barrels (giving a try at barrel and bucket making), long ago=
I made this planter bucket/home decor, adding an accent rope handle: http=
s://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/5323301973/in/photostream

With our near 80=C2=B0 weather, I'm getting the spring-planting fever, also=
. Monday, I mowed some of Mom's grass and thought about overhauling one f=
lower bed and tilling the garden. I just don't have the all-day energy to=
multitask, that way, any more. The spring-time to-do list is growing. =
Jonas' son came over to help mow, as well.... about 3 acres to mow. I wash=
ed his car, while he mowed.

Sonny

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:24:12 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> >> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
> >>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
> >>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
> >>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.=C2=
=A0 I'm
> >>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
> >>>> together.
> >>>>
> >>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool wo=
rk
> >>>> table has enough.=C2=A0 ;~)
> >>>>
> >>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
> >>> earlier...
> >>
> >> Forgot to address in my precious response.
> >>
> >> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further tha=
n
> >> the lower wings.
> >>
> >> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a plac=
e
> >> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding=
a
> >> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
> >>
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-publi=
c/
> >=20
> > See? The fishing works. ;-)
> >=20
> > I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
> >=20
> > I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
> > just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
> > surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
> > on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
> >=20
>=20
> Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
> I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
> Dead flat, light, cheap.
>=20

I've picked up a few hollow core door over the years 'cuz I kept hearing
that they are "Dead flat, light, cheap". Maybe it's the doors I've tried
'cuz I only get 2 out of 3 and dead flat ain't one of them.

This style:

https://i.imgur.com/kwcSS1q.jpg

The lower face of the main one in the picture is convex, the other one (on=
=20
the right) is concave, as shown here:

https://i.imgur.com/HzfZ1G3.jpg

I've tossed 2 or 3 more that were also not flat.

On the flip side, last week I ran across a local place on Offer-Up that has
dozens of salvaged workbenches of all shapes and sizes. Some workbench tops
without legs also. The guy was tossing around prices of $50 for tops, up to=
=20
$150 for complete benches. I wasn't dressed to dig around and crawl through=
=20
a salvage warehouse and I didn't have a straightedge with me anyway, but I'=
ll
be going back.

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:44:24 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>> together.
>>>>>
>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>
>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>> earlier...
>>>
>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>
>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>>> the lower wings.
>>>
>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>
>LOL
>>
>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>
>Well preciousely I cut on top of a grid of 2x4's and they were not flat
>like this. I used a sheet of foam insulation board between sheets to
>take the blade hit.

I've used 2x4s, too, but they're all twisted differently. Kinda
defeats the purpose of a flat top. Foam insulation board had crossed
my mind but foam is a PITA to get rid of.
>
>Ron Paulk, just uses thin strips of scrap plywood under the cut and to
>support the keeper and waste side. I'm going to try that.

Nice idea. At least they'll lie flat.
>
>>
>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>
>
>If room was no object..... ;~) Your method sounds great.

No object at all. As long as it stays in the basement, SWMBO doesn't
object. ;-) It's my 2000ft^2+ man cave. ;-)

On 2/18/2018 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:37:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>>
>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>> table has enough. ;~)
>>>
>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>>
>> Very nice.
>>
>> How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?
>
> The ceiling of a garage is a good place for a lot of this sort of
> thing.
>

I used to store stuff like that way up there, total PIA, plus my cieling
are 12~16" taller now.

On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:40:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 5:32 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:10:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/18/2018 9:46 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 05:37:26 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 7:33:55 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
>>>>>> I was building and finally today I am just about finished. I'm debating
>>>>>> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>>> table has enough. ;~)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40326963461/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>>>>>
>>>>> Very nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> How heavy is each section? Where will you keep them when the table isn't being used?
>>>>
>>>> The ceiling of a garage is a good place for a lot of this sort of
>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I used to store stuff like that way up there, total PIA, plus my cieling
>>> are 12~16" taller now.
>>
>> I used to store all my ladders hanging from the ceiling. I had pulleys
>> and lines for each one to help put them away. Worked well.
>>
>
>I kept full sheets of plywood up there. ;~(

You said your bench top wasn't as heavy as a sheet of plywood. Didn't
the plywood sag? I wouldn't think that would be a good way to store
sheet goods.

On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table that
> I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm debating
> whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units together.
>
> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
> table has enough.  ;~)
>
> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
...

I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
earlier...

Flat assembly surfaces are always near priceless--what's the height; I
made mine somewhat lower so a 30" or so piece on top wasn't out of reach
or such a strain to reach...but they weren't nearly so fancily-built,
either! :)

--

On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>> together.
>>>>
>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>
>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>> earlier...
>>
>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>
>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>> the lower wings.
>>
>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>
> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>
> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>
> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>

Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
Dead flat, light, cheap.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 2/18/18 7:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:24:12 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>>> earlier...
>>>>
>>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>>
>>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>>>> the lower wings.
>>>>
>>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>>>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>
>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>
>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>
>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>
>>
>> Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
>> I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
>> Dead flat, light, cheap.
>>
>
> I've picked up a few hollow core door over the years 'cuz I kept hearing
> that they are "Dead flat, light, cheap". Maybe it's the doors I've tried
> 'cuz I only get 2 out of 3 and dead flat ain't one of them.
>
> This style:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/kwcSS1q.jpg
>
> The lower face of the main one in the picture is convex, the other one (on
> the right) is concave, as shown here:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/HzfZ1G3.jpg
>
> I've tossed 2 or 3 more that were also not flat.
>
> On the flip side, last week I ran across a local place on Offer-Up that has
> dozens of salvaged workbenches of all shapes and sizes. Some workbench tops
> without legs also. The guy was tossing around prices of $50 for tops, up to
> $150 for complete benches. I wasn't dressed to dig around and crawl through
> a salvage warehouse and I didn't have a straightedge with me anyway, but I'll
> be going back.
>

Maybe it's a regional thing and I'm sure it varies by lot, but the ones
I've gotten have pretty darn nice.
Also, I guess "dead flat" is relative to the context and applications.
I don't mean dead flat like a granite machinists table.
I mean dead flat for portable work surfaces when compared to a couple
2x4s sitting across sawhorses with a sheet of whatever on top.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:

>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>
> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>
> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>
> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.

Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.

Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok but
takes up lots of floor/wall space. I have neither left. Too damn many
tools/cabinets etc for that thing. I have a 7' tool cabinet on wheels
the same height as my Tsaw. So with that, and extensions front and side
on the TSaw that works together as a 7x7' sanding/painting/assembly table.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 2/19/18 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>
>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>
>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>
> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
> centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the Comet
> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>
> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.  Looks ok but
> takes up lots of floor/wall space.  I have neither left.  Too damn many
> tools/cabinets etc for that thing.  I have a 7' tool cabinet on wheels
> the same height as my Tsaw.  So with that, and extensions front and side
> on the TSaw that works together as a 7x7' sanding/painting/assembly table.
>

I think you're referring to me.
I bought the centipede and the jury is still out on it.
It *is* super portable and convenient but I just don't find myself drawn
to use it very often.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 2/19/18 7:29 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/18/2018 8:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:24:12 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool
>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>>>> earlier...
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>>>
>>>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further
>>>>> than
>>>>> the lower wings.
>>>>>
>>>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a
>>>>> place
>>>>> to put my track with parallel guides.  It is normally an issue
>>>>> finding a
>>>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>
>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
>>> I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
>>> Dead flat, light, cheap.
>>>
>>
>> I've picked up a few hollow core door over the years 'cuz I kept hearing
>> that they are "Dead flat, light, cheap". Maybe it's the doors I've tried
>> 'cuz I only get 2 out of 3 and dead flat ain't one of them.
>>
>> This style:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/kwcSS1q.jpg
>>
>> The lower face of the main one in the picture is convex, the other one
>> (on
>> the right) is concave, as shown here:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/HzfZ1G3.jpg
>>
>> I've tossed 2 or 3 more that were also not flat.
>>
>> On the flip side, last week I ran across a local place on Offer-Up
>> that has
>> dozens of salvaged workbenches of all shapes and sizes. Some workbench
>> tops
>> without legs also. The guy was tossing around prices of $50 for tops,
>> up to
>> $150 for complete benches. I wasn't dressed to dig around and crawl
>> through
>> a salvage warehouse and I didn't have a straightedge with me anyway,
>> but I'll
>> be going back.
>>
> Hollow Core are not dead flat. A solid core door has a better chance
> since they are particle board usually.
>

They are flatter than two 2x4's and certainly flat enough for a
temporary work surface.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 2/20/18 8:31 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>
>>>
>>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>>
>>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>
>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>
>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>> centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the Comet
>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>
>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.  Looks ok
>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>
> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".  You
> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>

Depends on what you're staining, right? :-p
Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>
>>>
>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>
>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>
>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>
>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>
>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok
>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>
> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.

From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on anything
20x17"?

Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it. Kevin has
space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space for
it if I did need it.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 2/20/2018 4:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>> >centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>> >cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.

> We talked about these but, no, I didn't buy one. I looked at them but
> decided that I really didn't need such portability. For outside use,
> I have a six or eight of these:
>
> <https://www.homedepot.com/p/TOUGHBUILT-41-5-in-Folding-Sawhorse-TB-C550/205068379>

They look nice, I built my own fold ups that work OK, and store outside
on french cleats on my sheds outside wall.

I wonder what on earth you do with six or eight of these things? I've
never used more than two, and never used them in my shop, only for rare
outside building projects. I think I used them 2-3x since I made them
about 10 years ago.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>>
>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>>>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok
>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>
>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>
>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>> anything 20x17"?
>>
>
> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each is 96"
> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is 20"x17".

You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?

>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it. Kevin has
>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>> for it if I did need it.

> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for yourself.

Thanks, I'll take your advice on that. I think Kevin should build one,
he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.
--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 2/24/2018 12:54 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/24/2018 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/24/2018 10:47 AM, Jac
>> On 2/24/2018 10:53 AM, Leon wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of
>> 20"x17". You
>> >>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>> >>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>> >>>> anything 20x17"?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each
>> is 96"
>> >>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall,
>> with
>> >>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is
>> >>> 20"x17".
>> >>
>> >> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>> >> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>> >
>> > I'm sorry but I cannot think of a simpler way to explain it. FWIW, I
>> > said a 20x17 foot print, not 20x8.5.
>>
>>
>> Would a picture help?
>
> I needed to add this to this drawing anyway. ;~)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39564825215/in/dateposted-public/
>
Now I get it, thanks. So the wall space is 96" x 20" x 17. I think it
was the "bottom of one against the top of the other" and ignoring the
96" dimension that threw me off.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 2/24/2018 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:47:30 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>>>>>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok
>>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>>
>>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
>>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>>
>>>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each is 96"
>>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is 20"x17".
>>
>> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>>
>>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it. Kevin has
>>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>>> for it if I did need it.
>>
>>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for yourself.
>>
>> Thanks, I'll take your advice on that. I think Kevin should build one,
>> he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
>> as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.
>
> If you mean me (it's "Keith", BTW), no it wouldn't be good for an
> outfeed table, for the same reasons. I don't currently have one,
> mostly because it hasn't floated to the top of the "do" list. But
> when I do build one, it'll be made the same way as my cutting table. I
> already have the parts (though haven't decided if I want it on
> wheels).
>
Yes, sorry about the name, I always thought you were Kevin, not sure
why. Also not sure what "the same reasons" are you mention that it
wouldn't work as an outfeed table?

What I don't like about it, assuming you are not tearing it down between
uses, is it has no storage. I would put it on wheels, put drawered
cabinet under the top and make it the right height for the TS outfeed.
I try to have cabinets under most of my big tools, other than drill
press, planer and shaper.

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On 2/25/18 10:19 AM, Jack wrote:
> On 2/24/2018 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:47:30 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See?  The fishing works.  ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like it.  A lot!  How do you deal with cutting the top of the
>>>>>>>> bench?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of
>>>>>>>> 3/4" MDF
>>>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>>>> surface.  I'm not short on space so portability wasn't
>>>>>>>> important. It's
>>>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table
>>>>>>> "the
>>>>>>> centipede" I think it was called?   Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.  Looks ok
>>>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".  You
>>>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>>>
>>>>>   From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side.  Each is
>>>> 96"
>>>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall.  If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>>>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is
>>>> 20"x17".
>>>
>>> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>>> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it.  Kevin has
>>>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>>>> for it if I did need it.
>>>
>>>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for
>>>> yourself.
>>>
>>> Thanks, I'll take your advice on that.  I think Kevin should build one,
>>> he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
>>> as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.
>>
>> If you mean me (it's "Keith", BTW), no it wouldn't be good for an
>> outfeed table, for the same reasons.  I don't currently have one,
>> mostly because it hasn't floated to the top of the "do" list.  But
>> when I do build one, it'll be made the same way as my cutting table. I
>> already have the parts (though haven't decided if I want it on
>> wheels).
>>
> Yes, sorry about the name, I always thought you were Kevin, not sure
> why. Also not sure what "the same reasons" are you mention that it
> wouldn't work as an outfeed table?
>
> What I don't like about it, assuming you are not tearing it down between
> uses, is it has no storage.  I would put it on wheels, put drawered
> cabinet under the top and make it the right height for the TS outfeed.
> I  try to have cabinets under most of my big tools, other than drill
> press, planer and shaper.
>

I believe the intended purpose of the table, as described by its
designer, it to be a portable work surface that is (relatively) light,
quickly set-up and torn down, and can be easily handled by one person,
and also have some of the features of a shop workbench, like
under-surface temporary tool storage.

If you put wheels and cabinets underneath, when then you might as well
build a non-portable, regular shop work table. :-)


--

-MIKE-

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On 2/25/2018 12:07 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/25/18 10:19 AM, Jack wrote:
>> On 2/24/2018 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:47:30 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the
>>>>>>>>> bench?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of
>>>>>>>>> 3/4" MDF
>>>>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't
>>>>>>>>> important. It's
>>>>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work
>>>>>>>> table "the
>>>>>>>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before.
>>>>>>>> Looks ok
>>>>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17".
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>>>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>>>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each
>>>>> is 96"
>>>>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>>>>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is
>>>>> 20"x17".
>>>>
>>>> You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>>>> 96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it. Kevin has
>>>>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>>>>> for it if I did need it.
>>>>
>>>>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for
>>>>> yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, I'll take your advice on that. I think Kevin should build one,
>>>> he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
>>>> as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.
>>>
>>> If you mean me (it's "Keith", BTW), no it wouldn't be good for an
>>> outfeed table, for the same reasons. I don't currently have one,
>>> mostly because it hasn't floated to the top of the "do" list. But
>>> when I do build one, it'll be made the same way as my cutting table. I
>>> already have the parts (though haven't decided if I want it on
>>> wheels).
>>>
>> Yes, sorry about the name, I always thought you were Kevin, not sure
>> why. Also not sure what "the same reasons" are you mention that it
>> wouldn't work as an outfeed table?
>>
>> What I don't like about it, assuming you are not tearing it down
>> between uses, is it has no storage. I would put it on wheels, put
>> drawered cabinet under the top and make it the right height for the TS
>> outfeed. I try to have cabinets under most of my big tools, other
>> than drill press, planer and shaper.
>>
>
> I believe the intended purpose of the table, as described by its
> designer, it to be a portable work surface that is (relatively) light,
> quickly set-up and torn down, and can be easily handled by one person,
> and also have some of the features of a shop workbench, like
> under-surface temporary tool storage.
>
> If you put wheels and cabinets underneath, when then you might as well
> build a non-portable, regular shop work table. :-)

Yes, for Kevin, I mean Keith, that was my thoughts exactly. He has
2000' of work space. Wheels makes it portable enough. For most a pair
of saw horses is all that's needed for a portable work surface. This
thing Leon built is really just a fancy top for a pair of saw horses,
and would seem best suited to hauling around to work sites. Jay Bates
has a youtube video of one he built, and made it permanent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvkdU5kkqA

I see that as rather dumb, would prefer a cabinet with drawers and such
for storage, and I'm not a fan of open shelves under a bench. They end
up collecting junk thats hard to find and dig out. Drawers were invented
for a reason. There is a lot of stuff I'm not a fan of however, that
many people love. For example, those 5" thick, solid maple, drawerless
work benches with tool tray in the back of the top that all the books
show. What a waste they are (IMNSHO).

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
http://jbstein.com

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:47:30 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2/23/2018 12:03 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/23/2018 8:58 AM, Jack wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2018 9:31 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/19/2018 4:30 PM, Jack wrote:
>>>>> On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>>>>> centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>>>>> cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok
>>>>> but takes up lots of floor/wall space.
>>>>
>>>> When not in use and being stored it has a foot print of 20"x17". You
>>>> probably take up more space when you are staining in the shop.
>>>
>>> From the picture and your comments, you say it has a full sheet of
>>> plywood on top. To me, a full sheet of plywood wouldn't fit on
>>> anything 20x17"?
>>>
>>
>> Picture this, the work bench is "2" sections, side by side. Each is 96"
>> long, 20" wide, and 8.5" tall. If I stand both on end, 96" tall, with
>> the bottom of one against the top of the other the foot print is 20"x17".
>
>You lost me on the 96" long part. It's not clear how you get the long
>96" dimension to store against the wall in a 20x8.5" space?
>
>>> Anyway, it looks OK if you need it, and have space for it. Kevin has
>>> space for it, I personally don't really need it, nor have any space
>>> for it if I did need it.
>
>> With that comment, I would recommend that you not build one for yourself.
>
>Thanks, I'll take your advice on that. I think Kevin should build one,
>he won't even need to store it with his 2000' shop. Make it same height
>as TS and he has a nice out feed table if he doesn't already have one.

If you mean me (it's "Keith", BTW), no it wouldn't be good for an
outfeed table, for the same reasons. I don't currently have one,
mostly because it hasn't floated to the top of the "do" list. But
when I do build one, it'll be made the same way as my cutting table. I
already have the parts (though haven't decided if I want it on
wheels).

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:30:25 -0500, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 6:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>
>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>
>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>
>Wasn't it you that bought that goofy accordion folding work table "the
>centipede" I think it was called? Everyone got all over the Comet
>cause he thought it looked gimmick-ee.

We talked about these but, no, I didn't buy one. I looked at them but
decided that I really didn't need such portability. For outside use,
I have a six or eight of these:

<https://www.homedepot.com/p/TOUGHBUILT-41-5-in-Folding-Sawhorse-TB-C550/205068379>

>Anyway, this thing Leon built I've seen on YouTube before. Looks ok but
>takes up lots of floor/wall space. I have neither left. Too damn many
>tools/cabinets etc for that thing. I have a 7' tool cabinet on wheels
>the same height as my Tsaw. So with that, and extensions front and side
>on the TSaw that works together as a 7x7' sanding/painting/assembly table.

On 2/20/2018 6:29 PM, Sonny wrote:
> On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 6:33:55 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> All set up with a full sheet of plywood on top.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/39429408395/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> I jumped up to sit in the middle of one side. Not a sound did I hear....
>
> Getting to the party late.
>
> Considering the size, weight, portability, etc., that's a practical solution for many folks. Neat idea, good job.

All credit goes to Ron Paulk the designer. I bought the plans from him
to help support his efforts. I ended up modifying size like most erery
one else. I wanted flat, and that is what I think I got. ;~)


>
> I see you have some planters, there. I suspect there's a Festool thumb joke lurking about, but I'm getting too far OT, already.

Yeah, they are to replace some 6 year old Jack Daniels Whiskey barrels.
We'll see how well they hold up. I bought them BTW. ;~)



>
> Sonny
>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:29:04 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 2/18/2018 8:52 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 7:24:12 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 2/18/18 5:41 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:27:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/18/2018 9:52 AM, dpb wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/17/2018 6:33 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>>>> A week or so back I posted pictures of the workbench/assembly table
>>>>>>> that I was building and finally today I am just about finished.  I'm
>>>>>>> debating whether to add 2 attachment bolts to hold the two units
>>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I elected to not drill the 32,548 holes in the top.... My Festool work
>>>>>>> table has enough.  ;~)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The legs. With material storage on the wings that stick out.
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had wondered the purpose of the wings in the construction photos
>>>>>> earlier...
>>>>>
>>>>> Forgot to address in my precious response.
>>>>>
>>>>> The top wing, if you will notice, extends out a few inches further than
>>>>> the lower wings.
>>>>>
>>>>> It extends past the side of the work surface so that I can have a place
>>>>> to put my track with parallel guides. It is normally an issue finding a
>>>>> place to put it when working with multiple sheets of plywood.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/40302060902/in/dateposted-public/
>>>>
>>>> See? The fishing works. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I like it. A lot! How do you deal with cutting the top of the bench?
>>>>
>>>> I built my cutting bench on a solid-core door with a sheet of 3/4" MDF
>>>> just sitting on top, held in place by side rails 1/4" shy of the
>>>> surface. I'm not short on space so portability wasn't important. It's
>>>> on casters but it never moves more than a foot or two.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Flat surface doors make great make-shift work surfaces.
>>> I've been known to buy hollow core cheapies for on-site work benches.
>>> Dead flat, light, cheap.
>>>
>>
>> I've picked up a few hollow core door over the years 'cuz I kept hearing
>> that they are "Dead flat, light, cheap". Maybe it's the doors I've tried
>> 'cuz I only get 2 out of 3 and dead flat ain't one of them.
>>
>> This style:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/kwcSS1q.jpg
>>
>> The lower face of the main one in the picture is convex, the other one (on
>> the right) is concave, as shown here:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/HzfZ1G3.jpg
>>
>> I've tossed 2 or 3 more that were also not flat.
>>
>> On the flip side, last week I ran across a local place on Offer-Up that has
>> dozens of salvaged workbenches of all shapes and sizes. Some workbench tops
>> without legs also. The guy was tossing around prices of $50 for tops, up to
>> $150 for complete benches. I wasn't dressed to dig around and crawl through
>> a salvage warehouse and I didn't have a straightedge with me anyway, but I'll
>> be going back.
>>
>Hollow Core are not dead flat. A solid core door has a better chance
>since they are particle board usually.

That's what I use but they're a tad heavy for a portable or worksite
bench.