On May 26, 9:37 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 26, 9:03 pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
>
> > "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
> > > Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> > >>http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>
> > >> Obama 2008
>
> > > Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
>
> > GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> > > How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
> > > blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wish
> > > they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>
> > Cite please.
>
> The oldest right-wing trick in the book: "When you don't agree,
> destroy the source or at least attack the credibility of the source."
>
> It doesn't matter if the source is accurate... if it is inconvenient,
> kill it.
>
> Now, I'm not a big fan of moveon.org or Soros and his ilk but other
> sources have been on Black's case.
>
> What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad
> idea?
They piss off Archer-Daniels_Midland.
--
FF
On May 28, 7:19 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 28, 8:06 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:cb9c1914-f0ca-4e6f-8088-3fb124a1e0f7@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 28, 7:33 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > From there to Coke Zero. How did THAT happen?
>
> > > Dave in Houston
>
> > Coke Zero sucks even with rum in it.
>
> > It's palatable with Crown.
>
> *GASP*
Dave.... say it ain't so.....
I thought Crown was only served on the rocks, or neat in a brandy
snifter. Put "highland Mist" in a soda pop.
Ouch!
Robert
On May 28, 4:50=A0pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:26f24562-b864-431c-b048-4ec3410a97b2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On May 28, 11:13 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On May 28, 6:15 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I don't know if any of the Jones sodas are available where you're at,
> > > Robert, but up here in Canuckistan, we enjoy the Jones made with cane
> > > sugar.http://www.jonessoda.com/
>
> > > Fabulous stuff.
>
> > You know, I think I have seen them at our local "leaning towards
> > health food chain" called Whole Foods. I am not much of a soda
> > drinker, but do enjoy a really cold one on a hot day.
>
> > Any suggestions on flavors?
>
> Their Cola is pretty good, but for that sugar cane goodness, try the
> cream soda. Sweet as an angel's pee, but in a nice way. I like the
> green apple too.
>
> =A0 =A0 Hmmm, maybe Whole Foods here in Houston or Central Market carries =
it.
>
> Dave in Houston
http://www.jonessoda.com/gifs7/product-photos/12oz_Pure_Cane_Cola.jpg
http://www.jonessoda.com/gifs7/product-photos/single_cream_soda.jpg
http://www.jonessoda.com/gifs7/product-photos/single_green_apple_02.jpg
>Shouldnt be eating so much grain anyway, thats part of whats making us
>all so fat.
I don't know about you, but I'm fat from the volume I eat, not *what* I
eat...
No self control after 6:00 PM... :(
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad
idea?
Hah! They've been saying that from day one about not enough corn being
around to make fuel *and* satisfy the food market. About how the competition
for ethanol will cause prices to rise and the average person won't be able
afford it as a staple anymore. And finally, about how competition for
ethanol and the processing it needs will make it rise above the current cost
for oil.
On May 26, 9:03=A0pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:b8idnVPZC-l4w=
[email protected]...
>
> > Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=3DVjCYmjjxp8I
>
> >> Obama 2008
>
> > =A0Ah, moveon.org =A0Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen =
one.
>
> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
>
>
> > =A0How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people =
who
> > blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wis=
h
> > they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>
> Cite please.
>
The oldest right-wing trick in the book: "When you don't agree,
destroy the source or at least attack the credibility of the source."
It doesn't matter if the source is accurate... if it is inconvenient,
kill it.
Now, I'm not a big fan of moveon.org or Soros and his ilk but other
sources have been on Black's case.
What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad
idea?
"Robatoy" wrote:
> CORN ethanol IS a bad idea promoted (I believe) solely to enrich the
> likes of Conagra, ADM, Ralston Purina.
> But, that's just the cynic in me.
Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
The corn used has only two (2) other markets.
1)Fructose.
2)Cattle feed.
It is not a human food source as grown.
An interesting footnote is that there is a by-product of the ethanol
manufacturing process that is used as a cattle feed supplement.
Remember the old saying, "..everything but the squeal"?
Lew
On May 28, 11:13=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 28, 6:15 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I don't know if any of the Jones sodas are available where you're at,
> > Robert, but up here in Canuckistan, we enjoy the Jones made with cane
> > sugar.http://www.jonessoda.com/
>
> > Fabulous stuff.
>
> You know, I think I have seen them at our local "leaning towards
> health food chain" called Whole Foods. =A0I am not much of a soda
> drinker, but do enjoy a really cold one on a hot day.
>
> Any suggestions on flavors?
Their Cola is pretty good, but for that sugar cane goodness, try the
cream soda. Sweet as an angel's pee, but in a nice way. I like the
green apple too.
On May 27, 9:08=A0pm, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Basic contributor to the obesity epidemic being seen in the young
> > right now.
>
> Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar has
> been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to harvest it
> that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation
> appeared.
physiologically cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup cause
different levels of insulin production. The higher insulin response
triggered by hfcs creates a higher rate of body fat storage in the
body. OF COURSE lack of excercise is also a contributing factor,
however you have to exercise harder to defeat the insulin response and
calorie intake from hfcs than you do regular cane sugar.
On May 26, 11:51=A0pm, Tim Daneliuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > On May 26, 11:10 pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Robatoy wrote:
> >>>> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
> >>> It doesn't matter if the source is accurate...
> >> Like Global Warming? Like Liberal teachers in our High Schools and
> >> University's
>
> > Global warming is a farce. You capitalised 'Liberal' like it is some
> > kind of religion?
> > Oh, and it is spelled 'universities'.
> >> Hmmmmmm, I guess if that's what you're use to then it must be ok. Or ma=
ybe
> >> you watch to much CNN for your accurate sources that don't matter.
>
> > I'm a Canuckistani, I have CBC and BBC as my news sources.
> > Oh, and it is 'TOO' much CNN. not 'TO' much.
>
> > So before you hang any tags on me, I'm a fiscal conservative, but
> > believe in lending a hand to a fellow man in trouble. Shoot me
> > already. *shrugs*
>
> > r
>
> Me too, and I do so *voluntarily*. =A0Charity is a marvelous thing when
> it's not done at the point of the government's sword.
I'm only charitable by choice. It's already bad enough to see my tax
dollars go to hell via a poorly run health-care system. The system
works, but it would be more efficient if a solid team of private
(responsible to shareholders) business guys ran it for a while.... and
those guys you have to pay enough so they won't take any kickbacks
from drug companies. If some savvy business manager shaved off 200
million from a regional healthcare budget, without losing too much
service, I'd pay him/her 2 million. It'd be a good deal, right?
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>>
>> Obama 2008
>
> Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
> blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wish
> they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
Cite please.
>
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Of course, there's going to be a lot of hyperbole from all sides as the
> election draws nearer. Your post is just one example, as is the OPs
> remarks about McCain.
The OP made remarks about McCain?? :^)
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Desiderius Erasmus
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:TMo%[email protected]...
> In article <lao%[email protected]>, "Tom Bunetta"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>According to The Book of Revelation the anti-christ is:
>>
>>The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent
>
> Fact check: the Book of Revelation was written approximately five hundred
> years before Muhammad was even born -- and you tell us it predicts the
> antichrist will be a Muslim??
Did you actually read all that crap?
FYI I found using the term "fact check" and references to the bible a little
humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.
On May 26, 11:35 pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> > "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=3DVjCYmjjxp8I
>
> >>> Obama 2008
>
> >> Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one=
.
>
> > GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> >> How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people w=
ho
> >> blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wi=
sh
> >> they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>
> > Cite please.
>
> Will this do any good? OK, here's the list:
> Here=92s a quick run-down of some of Barack Obama=92s questionable and
> disturbing associations:
>
> * Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The
> Obamas were regular dinner guests at Khalidi=92s Hyde Park home for years.=
Is there some reason I should believe they were guests there?
What did he blow up in this country?
>
> * Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel w=
eb
> site Electronic Intifada.
Same questions.
>
> * Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers
Last I heard his Obama was involved in some civic organization
which Ayers was also involved with, independently of Ayers, and
many years after Ayers' involvment with the SDS. Ayers may
have also donated to Obama's campaign, pretty much anybody
can. I am not aware of them working together at present or back
when Ayers was breaking the law. But fill me in on what details you
have.
> and Bernadine
> Dohrn.
Haven't heard of her.
>
> * Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What more needs to be said?
>
Same questions. Plus, being Catholic, I'm strongly disinclined
to criticize others based on their clergy.
> * Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power =97 fired after callin=
g
> Hillary Clinton a =93monster.=94
Same questions, plus, who fired her?
>
> * Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley =97 fired when it was
> revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
Same questions as immediately above.
>
> * Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts,
> closed by the Justice Department. El-Hady=92s web page=97with Michelle Oba=
ma
> listed as an opt-in =93friend=94=97suddenly vanished from the Obama campai=
gn site
> with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
Could you please spell out 'LGF'?
>
> * Tony Rezko =97 a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble=
.
>
What did he blow up?
>
Links:http://www.nysun.com/comments/61007http://www.nysun.com/national/
obamas-ties-to-left-come-under-scrutiny...http://www.thehotjoints.com/
2008/04/25/obama-chose-to-associate-with-...
That link is garbled.
> (opinion piece regarding the facts of associations with various radicals)
>
> A google search for obama and any of these names nets numerous hits --
> some of them opinion sites, left or right either pointing out the problem
> with these associations or apologizing for them.
>
> A few here and there are understandable for a public figure, but there a=
re
> just too many of these to make one comfortable with this person even comin=
g
> close to being Commander in Chief.
>
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"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>
> Obama 2008
>
If you think this is bad, wait tell the Democrats get a candidate. Both
parties will be coming out with enough dirt to create a new state the size
of Texas.
"Ralph" wrote:
> The land used for this corn is land taken out of production of other
> food stuffs.
Dave in Houston
> Which means a reduction in the supply of those commodities and a
> corresponding rise in price per unit along with it.
Actually, according to my customers, who are also farmers producing
these crops, most of the corn produced for ethanol comes from excess
corn capacity that existed the last few years.
The reduction of wheat production comes about as a result of a world
wide drought in the wheat producing areas including Ukraine, Canada,
OZ, and the upper Midwest in the US.
All these sources had drought conditions at the same time.
Haven't seen any numbers on soy beans, which like corn is another cash
crop.
Probably some beans/corn acreage trading going on but have seen
anybody bitchin about soybeans.
Rice requires entirely different conditions than corn; however, rice
shortages are associated with speciality rices from SE Asia, not basic
white rice produced in Louisana and central California.
Yes, big oil is doing all possible to protect their landfall profits.
Lew
On May 26, 11:10=A0pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> >> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> > It doesn't matter if the source is accurate...
>
> Like Global Warming? Like Liberal teachers in our High Schools and
> University's
Global warming is a farce. You capitalised 'Liberal' like it is some
kind of religion?
Oh, and it is spelled 'universities'.
>
> Hmmmmmm, I guess if that's what you're use to then it must be ok. Or maybe=
> you watch to much CNN for your accurate sources that don't matter.
>
I'm a Canuckistani, I have CBC and BBC as my news sources.
Oh, and it is 'TOO' much CNN. not 'TO' much.
So before you hang any tags on me, I'm a fiscal conservative, but
believe in lending a hand to a fellow man in trouble. Shoot me
already. *shrugs*
r
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:94q%j.9427$nx6.8771@trnddc03...
>
>> Add to that it attracts water and causes handling problems to prevent
>> fuel contamination.
>
> Same problem with both gasoline as well as diesel, especially if you are
> in cold weather climates.
The alcohol in gasohol attracts moisture and is absorbed in to the gasoline.
That is tough on injectors and tends to introduce a way for rust to form in
the gas lines, pump, etc.
>
> Basic rule in cold climates: "Fill up when the tank gets to half full"
>
> Keeps the condensate formation at a minimum.
That is not going to matter if you only need to buy gas every 2 weeks.
>
>> At best it is a wash.
>> I have heard about Algae being a good substitute that doubles its size
>> daily and is 40 times more productive in the fields than corn.
>
> Is that the algae found in the bottom of diesel tanks?<G>
LOL, it might be, but I think it is in a different form once used
purposely with gasoline.
>
> The ethanol producers are already gearing up for non cellulose ethanol.
>
> Corn has always been a short term solution.
Yeah, I'm not sure a solution at all, but certainly and hopefully short term
although alcohol in gasoline has been around for 30 plus years that I know
of. I think not so common once computers and fuel injection was introduced
to the common vehicle. You being familiar with diesel and its unique
problems are probably aware of the havoc the slightest amount of water
causes to injection pumps.
"Ralph" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:Jk1%j.123$cV.28@edtnps92...
> The land used for this corn is land taken out of production of other food
> stuffs.
Which means a reduction in the supply of those commodities and a
corresponding rise in price per unit along with it.
Dave in Houston
On May 28, 8:06=A0am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:cb9c1914-f0ca-4e6f-8088-3fb124a1e0f7@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 28, 7:33 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > From there to Coke Zero. How did THAT happen?
>
> > Dave in Houston
>
> Coke Zero sucks even with rum in it.
>
> It's palatable with Crown.
*GASP*
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Basic contributor to the obesity epidemic being seen in the young
> right now.
Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar has
been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to harvest it
that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation
appeared.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:26f24562-b864-431c-b048-4ec3410a97b2@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 11:13 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 28, 6:15 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I don't know if any of the Jones sodas are available where you're at,
> > Robert, but up here in Canuckistan, we enjoy the Jones made with cane
> > sugar.http://www.jonessoda.com/
>
> > Fabulous stuff.
>
> You know, I think I have seen them at our local "leaning towards
> health food chain" called Whole Foods. I am not much of a soda
> drinker, but do enjoy a really cold one on a hot day.
>
> Any suggestions on flavors?
Their Cola is pretty good, but for that sugar cane goodness, try the
cream soda. Sweet as an angel's pee, but in a nice way. I like the
green apple too.
Hmmm, maybe Whole Foods here in Houston or Central Market carries it.
Dave in Houston
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> On May 28, 8:06 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > > Dave in Houston
>> > It's palatable with Crown.
>> *GASP*
> Dave.... say it ain't so.....
> I thought Crown was only served on the rocks, or neat in a brandy
> snifter. Put "highland Mist" in a soda pop.
Actually, I DON'T drink the stuff. I do beer(s).
Dave
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1x0%j.5736$u7.1083@trnddc07...
>
> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
>> CORN ethanol IS a bad idea promoted (I believe) solely to enrich the
>> likes of Conagra, ADM, Ralston Purina.
>> But, that's just the cynic in me.
Robatoy did NOT write it; I did.
>
>
> Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
>
> The corn used has only two (2) other markets.
>
> 1)Fructose.
>
> 2)Cattle feed.
>
> It is not a human food source as grown.
Start checking labels on most any processed foods, Lew. I think you'll
be shocked to see just how much corn and corn by-products go into our food
supplies, corn fructose sweetener being one of the biggest uses.
Dave in Houston
I wrote:
>> Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
"Leon" wrote:
> And deservidely so. While it may only have 2 other markets, it does
> cost more to produce and bring to market than gasoline and it does
> reduce fuel mileage significantly.
Wonder how they manaage to sell ethanol for about 1/2 the price of
gasoline.
> Add to that it attracts water and causes handling problems to
> prevent fuel contamination.
Same problem with both gasoline as well as diesel, especially if you
are in cold weather climates.
Basic rule in cold climates: "Fill up when the tank gets to half full"
Keeps the condensate formation at a minimum.
> At best it is a wash.
> I have heard about Algae being a good substitute that doubles its
> size daily and is 40 times more productive in the fields than corn.
Is that the algae found in the bottom of diesel tanks?<G>
The ethanol producers are already gearing up for non cellulose
ethanol.
Corn has always been a short term solution.
Lew
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:cb9c1914-f0ca-4e6f-8088-3fb124a1e0f7@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 28, 7:33 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> From there to Coke Zero. How did THAT happen?
>
> Dave in Houston
Coke Zero sucks even with rum in it.
It's palatable with Crown.
On May 26, 9:03 pm, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...
>
> > Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>
> >> Obama 2008
>
> > Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
>
> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
I'll try to remember to do that a little later in the week.
>
>
>
> > How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
> > blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wish
> > they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>
> Cite please.
>
I'm also interested.
FF
On May 27, 9:41=A0pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> =A0Account corn
> products are forbidden during Passover Coke that is kosher for Passover is=
> made with real cane sugar.
> =A0 =A0 Or something like that.
>
Oy vay!
On May 26, 11:35=A0pm, Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> > "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=3DVjCYmjjxp8I
>
> >>> Obama 2008
>
> >> =A0Ah, moveon.org =A0Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen=
one.
>
> > GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> >> =A0How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people=
who
> >> blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wi=
sh
> >> they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>
> > Cite please.
>
> =A0 Will this do any good? =A0OK, here's the list:
> Here=92s a quick run-down of some of Barack Obama=92s questionable and
> disturbing associations:
>
> * Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The
> Obamas were regular dinner guests at Khalidi=92s Hyde Park home for years.=
>
> * Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel w=
eb
> site Electronic Intifada.
>
> * Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine
> Dohrn.
>
> * Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What more needs to be said?
>
> * Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power =97 fired after callin=
g
> Hillary Clinton a =93monster.=94
>
> * Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley =97 fired when it was
> revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
>
> * Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts,
> closed by the Justice Department. El-Hady=92s web page=97with Michelle Oba=
ma
> listed as an opt-in =93friend=94=97suddenly vanished from the Obama campai=
gn site
> with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
>
> * Tony Rezko =97 a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble=
.
>
> Links:http://www.nysun.com/comments/61007http://www.nysun.com/national/oba=
mas-ties-to-left-come-under-scrutiny...http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/04/2=
5/obama-chose-to-associate-with-...
> (opinion piece regarding the facts of associations with various radicals)
>
> =A0 A google search for obama and any of these names nets numerous hits --=
> some of them opinion sites, left or right either pointing out the problem
> with these associations or apologizing for them. =A0
>
> =A0 A few here and there are understandable for a public figure, but there=
are
> just too many of these to make one comfortable with this person even comin=
g
> close to being Commander in Chief.
>
> --
> If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
The NY Sun. The NY SUN? Since when is that a fair and balanced news
source?
"depictureboy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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physiologically cane sugar and high fructose corn syrup cause
different levels of insulin production. The higher insulin response
triggered by hfcs creates a higher rate of body fat storage in the
body. OF COURSE lack of excercise is also a contributing factor,
however you have to exercise harder to defeat the insulin response and
calorie intake from hfcs than you do regular cane sugar.
Yeah, that's what I meant. Thanks, PicBoy.
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> On May 28, 7:19 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On May 28, 8:06 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I thought Crown was only served on the rocks, or neat in a brandy
> snifter. Put "highland Mist" in a soda pop.
No kidding, good whiskey/bourbon should only be drank straight. Put the
sweet sody water in the cheap crap.
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 26, 11:10 pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> >> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> > It doesn't matter if the source is accurate...
>
> Like Global Warming? Like Liberal teachers in our High Schools and
> University's
Global warming is a farce. You capitalised 'Liberal' like it is some
kind of religion?
Oh, and it is spelled 'universities'.
>
> Hmmmmmm, I guess if that's what you're use to then it must be ok. Or
> maybe
> you watch to much CNN for your accurate sources that don't matter.
>
I'm a Canuckistani, I have CBC and BBC as my news sources.
Oh, and it is 'TOO' much CNN. not 'TO' much.
So before you hang any tags on me, I'm a fiscal conservative, but
believe in lending a hand to a fellow man in trouble. Shoot me
already. *shrugs*
r
My Canuck ancestry must be working. I agree with you.
Max (now in El Paso)
Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <1x0%j.5736$u7.1083@trnddc07>, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
>
> Not nearly enough IMHO. :-)
>> The corn used has only two (2) other markets.
>>
>> 1)Fructose.
>>
>> 2)Cattle feed.
>>
>> It is not a human food source as grown.
>
> Not correct. Fructose is in fact a human food source; spend a little time
> reading labels, and you'll be surprised how many of your foods contain
> fructose, often in the form of "high fructose corn syrup."
>
> And of course while the corn fed to cattle is not itself a human food source
> directly, the meat, milk, and cheese obtained from the cattle certainly are.
The land used for this corn is land taken out of production of other
food stuffs.
Not to mention He's a black Muslim who's pastor hates white lapel pins!
Pleae, anyone who's monitored this news group for any length of time knows
better than to listen to anything that comes out of your keyboard.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> >
> > "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> Of course, there's going to be a lot of hyperbole from all sides as the
> >> election draws nearer. Your post is just one example, as is the OPs
> >> remarks about McCain.
> >
> > The OP made remarks about McCain?? :^)
>
> Fine. Vote for a candidate whose great uncle helped liberate Auschwitz
> (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml)
> Oh, yeah, the MSM covering for him again indicates he simply mis-spoke.
> Just to make that excuse a little harder, this isn't the first time he has
> done so:
> http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/2008/05/its_nothing_new.html.
>
> and who apparently sees dead people:
> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/05/27/will-media-report-obama-seeing-dead-people-memorial-day-audience
> (Yeah, they have an agenda, but you can watch the video -- this guy doesn't
> even realize that Memorial Day is set aside to honor the war *dead*)
>
> There are several things that are funny about this. 1) Yeah, everybody
> makes mistakes from time to time. This guy is making more gaffes than Dan
> Quayle ever did. 2) When Quayle made a gaffe, or when McCain made a
> mistake regarding Sunni's vs. Shiite, it was all over the media, over and
> over. In Obama's case, how much coverage do these gaffes get?
>
> Like I say, you want to vote for him, go ahead. I really don't give a rip
> anymore. We're going to get the government people ask for. Just don't
> gripe as you see your real freedoms taken and your personal fortunes
> garnished by a voracious government.
>
>
"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>
> Obama 2008
Read it and worry!
http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com:80/2008/05/british-called-they-want-their-guns.html
"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad idea?
CORN ethanol IS a bad idea promoted (I believe) solely to enrich the
likes of Conagra, ADM, Ralston Purina.
But, that's just the cynic in me.
Dave in Houston
In article <lao%[email protected]>, "Tom Bunetta" <[email protected]> wrote:
>According to The Book of Revelation the anti-christ is:
>
>The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent
Fact check: the Book of Revelation was written approximately five hundred
years before Muhammad was even born -- and you tell us it predicts the
antichrist will be a Muslim??
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Do you remember the bite you got from an ice cold Coke when you were a
> kid? Same formula, different sweetner than now. The Cokes in these
> restaurants are made in Mexico (only 2 1/2 hours away) with cane
> sugar, not a limp substitute. The difference is huge. They sell
> those 16 oz bottles in the restaurants for $2 a bottle, and the guys
> at the taco hole a few blocks from my house told me they sell so many
> cases of it that from time to time they sell out completely.
>
> Take a drink of one of those... they will take you back.
From there to Coke Zero. How did THAT happen?
Dave in Houston
On May 27, 5:28=A0am, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad
> idea?
>
> Hah! They've been saying that from day one about not enough corn being
> around to make fuel *and* satisfy the food market. About how the competiti=
on
> for ethanol will cause prices to rise and the average person won't be able=
> afford it as a staple anymore. And finally, about how competition for
> ethanol and the processing it needs will make it rise above the current co=
st
> for oil.
Shouldnt be eating so much grain anyway, thats part of whats making us
all so fat.
On May 29, 12:00=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On May 28, 7:19 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On May 28, 8:06 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I thought Crown was only served on the rocks, or neat in a brandy
> > snifter. =A0 Put "highland Mist" in a soda pop.
>
> No kidding, good whiskey/bourbon should only be drank straight. =A0Put the=
> sweet sody water in the cheap crap.
Which is why I suggested rum. One MUST drown rum.... but nevvverrr
Crown. Shit, there are parts around Canada where one could get shot
for mixing Crown...if there were guns...I guess...
On May 27, 7:53=A0pm, [email protected] (Doug Miller) wrote:
> Not correct.
Imagine MY big fucking surprise that Miller would start off a reply
with INCORRECT!!!!.
What's with this clown????.
On May 27, 8:41 pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've never gotten around to finding any but have been told for years
> that Coca Cola that is kosher for Passover is to die for. Account corn
> products are forbidden during Passover Coke that is kosher for Passover is
> made with real cane sugar.
> Or something like that.
Dave - you can get these same Cokes at your local Mexican restaurant
that actually caters to folks from south of the border. Remember the
16 oz glass bottles (didn't Hippo make a 24?) of Coke? They are
alive and well at many establishments here and are BIG sellers.
Do you remember the bite you got from an ice cold Coke when you were a
kid? Same formula, different sweetner than now. The Cokes in these
restaurants are made in Mexico (only 2 1/2 hours away) with cane
sugar, not a limp substitute. The difference is huge. They sell
those 16 oz bottles in the restaurants for $2 a bottle, and the guys
at the taco hole a few blocks from my house told me they sell so many
cases of it that from time to time they sell out completely.
Take a drink of one of those... they will take you back.
Robert
On May 28, 6:15 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> I don't know if any of the Jones sodas are available where you're at,
> Robert, but up here in Canuckistan, we enjoy the Jones made with cane
> sugar.http://www.jonessoda.com/
>
> Fabulous stuff.
You know, I think I have seen them at our local "leaning towards
health food chain" called Whole Foods. I am not much of a soda
drinker, but do enjoy a really cold one on a hot day.
Any suggestions on flavors?
Robert
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>
> Obama 2008
Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wish
they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
On May 28, 7:33=A0am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:aa52740e-3fe1-4af5-a812-6f1b9ea9da92@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Do you remember the bite you got from an ice cold Coke when you were a
> > kid? =A0Same formula, different sweetner than now. =A0The Cokes in these=
> > restaurants are made in Mexico (only 2 1/2 hours away) with cane
> > sugar, not a limp substitute. =A0The difference is huge. =A0They sell
> > those 16 oz bottles in the restaurants for $2 a bottle, and the guys
> > at the taco hole a few blocks from my house told me they sell so many
> > cases of it that from time to time they sell out completely.
>
> > Take a drink of one of those... they will take you back.
>
> =A0 =A0 From there to Coke Zero. =A0How did THAT happen?
>
> Dave in =A0Houston
Coke Zero sucks even with rum in it.
On May 27, 8:58=A0am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:1f8e6f0d-26af-4564-8842-39447d8567de@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad idea=
?
>
> =A0 =A0 CORN ethanol IS a bad idea promoted (I believe) solely to enrich t=
he
> likes of Conagra, ADM, Ralston Purina.
> But, that's just the cynic in me.
Show me ONE move the Bush administration didn't make to enrich their
cronies. That includes KBR et al.
Everything points to plundering the nation's coffers before all hell
breaks loose. The Big Squeeze.
On May 28, 1:31=A0am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On May 27, 8:41 pm, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > =A0 =A0 I've never gotten around to finding any but have been told for y=
ears
> > that Coca Cola that is kosher for Passover is to die for. =A0Account cor=
n
> > products are forbidden during Passover Coke that is kosher for Passover =
is
> > made with real cane sugar.
> > =A0 =A0 Or something like that.
>
> Dave - you can get these same Cokes at your local Mexican restaurant
> that actually caters to folks from south of the border. =A0Remember the
> 16 oz glass bottles (didn't Hippo make a 24?) of Coke? =A0 They are
> alive and well at many establishments here and are BIG sellers.
>
> Do you remember the bite you got from an ice cold Coke when you were a
> kid? =A0Same formula, different sweetner than now. =A0The Cokes in these
> restaurants are made in Mexico (only 2 1/2 hours away) with cane
> sugar, not a limp substitute. =A0The difference is huge. =A0They sell
> those 16 oz bottles in the restaurants for $2 a bottle, and the guys
> at the taco hole a few blocks from my house told me they sell so many
> cases of it that from time to time they sell out completely.
>
> Take a drink of one of those... they will take you back.
>
> Robert
I don't know if any of the Jones sodas are available where you're at,
Robert, but up here in Canuckistan, we enjoy the Jones made with cane
sugar.
http://www.jonessoda.com/
Fabulous stuff.
r
On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:09:49 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>The corn used has only two (2) other markets.
>
>1)Fructose.
Isn't that an ingredient in many prepared foods?
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"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On May 27, 8:58 am, "Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:1f8e6f0d-26af-4564-8842-39447d8567de@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> What happens when moveon.org says something about ethenol being a bad
> idea?
>
> CORN ethanol IS a bad idea promoted (I believe) solely to enrich the
> likes of Conagra, ADM, Ralston Purina.
> But, that's just the cynic in me.
>Show me ONE move the Bush administration didn't make to enrich their
>cronies. That includes KBR et al.
I'm sure you meant to say "Cheney." Laying this at the feet of Shrub is
giving the idiot far, far too much credit.
>Everything points to plundering the nation's coffers before all hell
>breaks loose. The Big Squeeze.
Fuck 'em till they squeal; then fuck 'em some more. Then get the hell
out of Dodge and let the next group deal with the aftermath. After all, we
got ours; get your own [if you can].
Dave in Houston
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Robatoy" wrote:
>
>> CORN ethanol IS a bad idea promoted (I believe) solely to enrich
>> the
>> likes of Conagra, ADM, Ralston Purina.
>> But, that's just the cynic in me.
>
>
> Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
>
> The corn used has only two (2) other markets.
>
> 1)Fructose.
>
> 2)Cattle feed.
>
> It is not a human food source as grown.
A specious argument. The same land can grow other crops that humans
can consume. If the cost of cattle feed rises, the cost of beef
rises. Corn doesn't grow at random, somebody decides what to plant
based on the profit he thinks he can make from selling it. If there's
more profit in field corn for ethanol production than in sweet corn
for human consumption then the farmers plant field corn and there's
less sweet corn to go around and so the price of that rises, further
if the price paid by the fuel producers is higher than that paid by
the cattle ranchers, then the price of cattle feed rises, and so the
price of beef rises, and either way the price of food rises.
> An interesting footnote is that there is a by-product of the ethanol
> manufacturing process that is used as a cattle feed supplement.
>
> Remember the old saying, "..everything but the squeal"?
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
"Upscale" wrote:
> Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar
> has
> been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to
> harvest it
> that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation
> appeared.
It's not called "The Pepsi Generation" for nothing.
Don't sell good marketing programs short.
Both Coke and Pepsi probably have marketing and advertising programs
that are the major cost component of their product.
Lew
"Dave in Houston" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vL2%[email protected]...
>
> "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:h02%j.9784$9H6.1018@trnddc04...
>>
>> "Upscale" wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar has
>>> been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to harvest it
>>> that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation
>>> appeared.
>
> IIRC the body doesn't convert fructose [sweetener] as readily as it can
> other sugar forms meaning that somehow or another [nutritionally] it is
> not particularly good for you.
The more refined a food product is the harder the body has to work to
process it, if at all. The body needs all the natural ingredients of a food
source to be processed efficiently.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Dave.... say it ain't so.....
>
> I thought Crown was only served on the rocks, or neat in a brandy
> snifter. Put "highland Mist" in a soda pop.
>
> Ouch!
Back in the days when I did such things, the only thing that touched
my lips was a good single malt scotch, either straight up or with
maybe a club soda or branch water chaser.
Lew
Robatoy wrote:
>> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
> It doesn't matter if the source is accurate...
Like Global Warming? Like Liberal teachers in our High Schools and
University's
Hmmmmmm, I guess if that's what you're use to then it must be ok. Or maybe
you watch to much CNN for your accurate sources that don't matter.
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586
"Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote in message
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> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>
> Obama 2008
Please make sure you know who you are voting for.
Subject: A Black Columnist on Obama
Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun
It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in
this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first
viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first
front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be
a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every
candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we
no longer talk about skin color or gender. Now that Barack Obama steps to
the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race,
and start talking about his policies and his politics.
The reality is this: Though the Democrats will not have a nominee until
August, unless Hillary Clinton drops out, Mr. Obama is now the frontrunner,
and its time America takes a closer and deeper look at him. Some pundits are
calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George
McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in
the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders,
or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner
whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to
raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness,
and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he
lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the
polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty
pageant.. Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and
blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more
defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial 'beauty.'
Start with national security, since the president's most important duties
are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading
Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions
with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another
Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but
emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists -
something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear
weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security
condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who
would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system
is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill
Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so
that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a
generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on 'the rich.' How to
fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes.
Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize
medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take
it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a
stadium rally by saying, 'All praise and glory to God!' but says that
Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have 'hijacked' -
hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to
appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it
unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of
the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse
homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he
refused to vote against a statewide ban - on all handguns in the state.
These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francis co values, not Middle
America values.
The real Mr. Obama is an easy target for the general election. Mrs. Clinton
is a far tougher opponent. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start
looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of 'bringing
America together' means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for
America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his
liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is
and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the
factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical
agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream, to the left of Mrs.
Clinton.
It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts,
let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our
president in a nuclear age during a global civilizational war.
Subject: Kind of scary, wouldn't you think Remember--'God is good, and is in
time, on time, every time.'
According to The Book of Revelation the anti-christ is:
The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will
deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like
appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will
promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy
everything. Is this anti-christ,.......... OBAMA??
I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost with this email as many times as
you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media
outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a
chance on the 'unknown' candidate.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1x0%j.5736$u7.1083@trnddc07...
>
>
> Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
And deservidely so. While it may only have 2 other markets, it does cost
more to produce and bring to market than gasoline and it does reduce fuel
mileage significantly. Add to that it attracts water and causes handling
problems to prevent fuel contamination. At best it is a wash.
I have heard about Algae being a good substitute that doubles its size daily
and is 40 times more productive in the fields than corn.
In article <94q%j.9427$nx6.8771@trnddc03>, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I wrote:
>
>>> Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
>
>"Leon" wrote:
>
>> And deservidely so. While it may only have 2 other markets, it does
>> cost more to produce and bring to market than gasoline and it does
>> reduce fuel mileage significantly.
>
>Wonder how they manaage to sell ethanol for about 1/2 the price of
>gasoline.
Two words: Federal subsidies.
>
>> Add to that it attracts water and causes handling problems to
>> prevent fuel contamination.
>
>Same problem with both gasoline as well as diesel, especially if you
>are in cold weather climates.
Ummm.... no. Humidity can *condense* inside a gasoline tank, but water
actually *dissolves* in ethanol.
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
>
> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>>>
>>> Obama 2008
>>
>> Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
>
> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>
>
>>
>> How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
>> blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wish
>> they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>
> Cite please.
Will this do any good? OK, here's the list:
Hereâs a quick run-down of some of Barack Obamaâs questionable and
disturbing associations:
* Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The
Obamas were regular dinner guests at Khalidiâs Hyde Park home for years.
* Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel web
site Electronic Intifada.
* Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine
Dohrn.
* Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What more needs to be said?
* Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power â fired after calling
Hillary Clinton a âmonster.â
* Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley â fired when it was
revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
* Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts,
closed by the Justice Department. El-Hadyâs web pageâwith Michelle Obama
listed as an opt-in âfriendââsuddenly vanished from the Obama campaign site
with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
* Tony Rezko â a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble.
Links:
http://www.nysun.com/comments/61007
http://www.nysun.com/national/obamas-ties-to-left-come-under-scrutiny/71421/
http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/04/25/obama-chose-to-associate-with-these-people/
(opinion piece regarding the facts of associations with various radicals)
A google search for obama and any of these names nets numerous hits --
some of them opinion sites, left or right either pointing out the problem
with these associations or apologizing for them.
A few here and there are understandable for a public figure, but there are
just too many of these to make one comfortable with this person even coming
close to being Commander in Chief.
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On Mon, 26 May 2008 18:03:33 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote:
> How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
> blew up things in the US?
Friendship? People? According to the Sun article YOU referenced, Obama
served on a couple of education based panels and a non-profit board with a
UI professor who once was a member of the Weather Underground and wrote a
book defending his violent actions.
That's a business relationship with one person, not "friendship" with
"people" as you claimed.
Of course, there's going to be a lot of hyperbole from all sides as the
election draws nearer. Your post is just one example, as is the OPs
remarks about McCain.
On Thu, 29 May 2008 02:45:15 +0000, Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <lao%[email protected]>, "Tom Bunetta" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>According to The Book of Revelation the anti-christ is:
>>
>>The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent
>
> Fact check: the Book of Revelation was written approximately five hundred
> years before Muhammad was even born -- and you tell us it predicts the
> antichrist will be a Muslim??
Now, now, Doug. You know that facts never stand in the way of a good rant :-).
In article <1x0%j.5736$u7.1083@trnddc07>, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.
Not nearly enough IMHO. :-)
>
>The corn used has only two (2) other markets.
>
>1)Fructose.
>
>2)Cattle feed.
>
>It is not a human food source as grown.
Not correct. Fructose is in fact a human food source; spend a little time
reading labels, and you'll be surprised how many of your foods contain
fructose, often in the form of "high fructose corn syrup."
And of course while the corn fed to cattle is not itself a human food source
directly, the meat, milk, and cheese obtained from the cattle certainly are.
In article <[email protected]>, "Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> Basic contributor to the obesity epidemic being seen in the young
>> right now.
>
>Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar has
>been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to harvest it
>that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation
>appeared.
While you're certainly right that the basic factor is lack of exercise, sugar
hasn't been as plentiful, historically, as you think. Cane won't grow in cold
climates, and it's only in the last two centuries that a significant portion
of the world's sugar has come from beets.
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
>>
>> "Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=VjCYmjjxp8I
>>>>
>>>> Obama 2008
>>> Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
>> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>>
>>
>>> How about Obama's friendship and continued relationships with people who
>>> blew up things in the US? People who to this day are unrepentant and wish
>>> they had destroyed more. Doesn't that give you just a moment of pause?
>> Cite please.
>
> Will this do any good? OK, here's the list:
> Hereâs a quick run-down of some of Barack Obamaâs questionable and
> disturbing associations:
>
> * Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi. The
> Obamas were regular dinner guests at Khalidiâs Hyde Park home for years.
>
> * Terrorist sympathizer Ali Abunimah, who runs the viciously anti-Israel web
> site Electronic Intifada.
>
> * Unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine
> Dohrn.
>
> * Reverend Jeremiah Wright. What more needs to be said?
>
> * Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Samantha Power â fired after calling
> Hillary Clinton a âmonster.â
>
> * Anti-Israel foreign policy adviser Robert Malley â fired when it was
> revealed he has been holding talks with Hamas.
>
> * Hatem El-Hady, former official of the Hamas-linked charity Kindhearts,
> closed by the Justice Department. El-Hadyâs web pageâwith Michelle Obama
> listed as an opt-in âfriendââsuddenly vanished from the Obama campaign site
> with no explanation, after being exposed by LGF and others.
>
> * Tony Rezko â a Chicago fixer currently in a whole lot of legal trouble.
>
> Links:
> http://www.nysun.com/comments/61007
> http://www.nysun.com/national/obamas-ties-to-left-come-under-scrutiny/71421/
> http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/04/25/obama-chose-to-associate-with-these-people/
> (opinion piece regarding the facts of associations with various radicals)
>
> A google search for obama and any of these names nets numerous hits --
> some of them opinion sites, left or right either pointing out the problem
> with these associations or apologizing for them.
>
> A few here and there are understandable for a public figure, but there are
> just too many of these to make one comfortable with this person even coming
> close to being Commander in Chief.
>
>
>
Uh oh, you're injecting facts. Stop that. The libs need to *feel* good
about their world without regard to the fact.
I live in Illinois. Anyone voting for this guy is supporting far left
whacko extremism. The only reason it is not more obvious is that he's
not been a senator long enough to make his, er, proclivities obvious.
For the record, I can't stand Hillary or McCain, but Obama is clearly the
worst of a very bad litter.
'Think I'll vote for Reagan, like I said. Even dead, he's a far better choice
than the current field of choices.
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Robatoy wrote:
> On May 26, 11:10 pm, evodawg <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>>> GIVE one example where moveon has been "unreliable".
>>> It doesn't matter if the source is accurate...
>> Like Global Warming? Like Liberal teachers in our High Schools and
>> University's
>
> Global warming is a farce. You capitalised 'Liberal' like it is some
> kind of religion?
> Oh, and it is spelled 'universities'.
>> Hmmmmmm, I guess if that's what you're use to then it must be ok. Or maybe
>> you watch to much CNN for your accurate sources that don't matter.
>>
> I'm a Canuckistani, I have CBC and BBC as my news sources.
> Oh, and it is 'TOO' much CNN. not 'TO' much.
>
> So before you hang any tags on me, I'm a fiscal conservative, but
> believe in lending a hand to a fellow man in trouble. Shoot me
> already. *shrugs*
>
> r
Me too, and I do so *voluntarily*. Charity is a marvelous thing when
it's not done at the point of the government's sword. Most of what
passes for "charity" on the political left is no such thing. It is
forced wealth redistribution for causes that I frankly do not wish
to support and do not appreciate being forced to do.
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"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Garage_Woodworks wrote:
> Ah, moveon.org Yep, there's a reliable source if you've ever seen one.
Gee, didn't see that coming (from dumb and tough)
Dave in Houston
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:h02%j.9784$9H6.1018@trnddc04...
>
> "Upscale" wrote:
>
>
>> Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar has
>> been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to harvest it
>> that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation
>> appeared.
IIRC the body doesn't convert fructose [sweetener] as readily as it can
other sugar forms meaning that somehow or another [nutritionally] it is not
particularly good for you. Apparently, it is significantly cheaper such
that that the soft drink bottlers need it to profit in a highly competitive
market.
I've never gotten around to finding any but have been told for years
that Coca Cola that is kosher for Passover is to die for. Account corn
products are forbidden during Passover Coke that is kosher for Passover is
made with real cane sugar.
Or something like that.
Dave in Houston
In article <[email protected]>, "Garage_Woodworks" <.@.> wrote:
>"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:TMo%[email protected]...
>> In article <lao%[email protected]>, "Tom Bunetta"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>According to The Book of Revelation the anti-christ is:
>>>
>>>The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent
>>
>> Fact check: the Book of Revelation was written approximately five hundred
>> years before Muhammad was even born -- and you tell us it predicts the
>> antichrist will be a Muslim??
>
>Did you actually read all that crap?
Yeah, I thought it was funny. Didn't you?
>
>FYI I found using the term "fact check" and references to the bible a little
>humorous. Thanks for the chuckle.
Then you completely missed the point.
Whether you agree with the contents of the Bible or not, it is a historical
fact that the portion of it which (according to the OP) refers to Muslims was
written some five centuries before any Muslims existed -- thus casting some
doubt, I should think, on the OP's claim.
Garage_Woodworks wrote:
>
> "Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Of course, there's going to be a lot of hyperbole from all sides as the
>> election draws nearer. Your post is just one example, as is the OPs
>> remarks about McCain.
>
> The OP made remarks about McCain?? :^)
Fine. Vote for a candidate whose great uncle helped liberate Auschwitz
(http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml)
Oh, yeah, the MSM covering for him again indicates he simply mis-spoke.
Just to make that excuse a little harder, this isn't the first time he has
done so:
http://www.transterrestrial.com/archives/2008/05/its_nothing_new.html.
and who apparently sees dead people:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/05/27/will-media-report-obama-seeing-dead-people-memorial-day-audience
(Yeah, they have an agenda, but you can watch the video -- this guy doesn't
even realize that Memorial Day is set aside to honor the war *dead*)
There are several things that are funny about this. 1) Yeah, everybody
makes mistakes from time to time. This guy is making more gaffes than Dan
Quayle ever did. 2) When Quayle made a gaffe, or when McCain made a
mistake regarding Sunni's vs. Shiite, it was all over the media, over and
over. In Obama's case, how much coverage do these gaffes get?
Like I say, you want to vote for him, go ahead. I really don't give a rip
anymore. We're going to get the government people ask for. Just don't
gripe as you see your real freedoms taken and your personal fortunes
garnished by a voracious government.
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