Lew Hodgett wrote:
> CW wrote:
>
>> Figured. Being California though, I thought the unavailability just might be
>> true.
>
> At $3.00/qt, AQMD has pretty much obtained it's objective to make
> distribution of kero expensive and difficult.
>
Since I can buy diesel around here for about $2.50 a gallon, that's what I use
in my garage heater. The OP is correct, kerosene can be difficult to find at
times... but diesel never is. Essentially the same stuff....
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
CW wrote:
> Figured. Being California though, I thought the unavailability just
might be
> true.
At $3.00/qt, AQMD has pretty much obtained it's objective to make
distribution of kero expensive and difficult.
It is the same trick they use to limit VOC based contact cement for
laminate. From memory, think they limit that to pint cans.
Lew
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:59:38 GMT, "deadlock" <nobody@nowhere_yes_its
a_cliche.com> wrote:
>
>Mountain bike citrus degreaser. Water soluble, a 1/2 litre bottle goes a
>long way.
As a guy who sells this in a bike shop, I suggest kerosene or the $6 /
gallon citrus degreaser from the Borg, vs. the $6 1/2 liter from the
bike shop.
Even _the bike_ shop dosen't use that in it's own parts washer. <G>
In article <[email protected]>,
Cap'n 321 <[email protected]> wrote:
>Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
BTDT. GTTS.
*I* called delta tech support and asked them. <grin>
They said 'mineral spiritis', or turpentine, or paint thinner, are all
acceptable substitutes.
They said they recommend kerosene because:
1) it is nearly universally available
2) it is generally the _lowest_price_ of the alternatives.
No, it isn't. Not a bit of kerosene in it. Works for the intended pupose
though.
"Oleg Lego" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Cap'n 321 entity posted thusly:
WD-40, though somewhat expensive, is basically scented
> kerosene.
>
"Oleg Lego" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The Cap'n 321 entity posted thusly:
>
>>Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>>Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>>acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>
> If you can't find it at WalMart or a large gas station or camping
> supplies place, WD-40, though somewhat expensive, is basically scented
> kerosene.
>
Not even close. Stoddard solvent. Kerosene is a bunch heavier. Mineral
spirits a close match.
"deadlock" <nobody@nowhere_yes_its a_cliche.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Cap'n 321 wrote:
>>> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>>> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>>> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>>
>> Lighter fluid.
>>
> Mountain bike citrus degreaser. Water soluble, a 1/2 litre bottle goes a
> long way. And, no, I didn't think it would work either. Trip down to your
> local bike shop and have a word. Trust me.
>
Great idea! Water and cast iron should be friends....
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Most of us don't have a clue what all these different fractions are or how
> they differ. But just because something doesn't say it is kerosene,
> doesn't mean it isn't kerosene or the next best thing. They don't call
> wick type lanterns kerosene lamps because they burn whale oil. Yuppie
> lamps still use kerosene, they just put colors and smells into it.
>
> I don't know what camp stove fuel is but it acts just like lighter fluid,
> excellent for removing gunky labels. It is not what we use to buy as
> "white gas" which, near as I can tell, is regular gasoline without the
> coloring and without the lead. Not too cool to burn gasoline with lead in
> it in a camp stove. Course camp fuel will also work in a gasoline stove.
> In any case, the camp fuel I've bought does not act exactly like gasoline
> which is less viscous and evaporates faster.
All that money wasted on printing labels and warnings.
Suppose you and CW could get together over a cigar and discuss the
difference in volatility and flash point between kerosene and camp stove
fuel?
I'd be willing to bet that I could take a flight to Tucson, and, upon
ariving, I could find kerosene withing 1 hour.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:05:02 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
I bought a new grizzly last July. They recommended orange cleaner. Didn't
work for me. I used a plastic scraper and WD40. Worked great.
"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
Talk about a fire hazard!! I use that for lighter fluid. Does cut the crap
of a new tool real well though
"Darrell Dorsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I like VM&P Naptha.
>
> Darrell
>
> "Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> > Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> > acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>
>
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:05:02 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Standard lantern and camp stove fuel. In Arizona? Got to be everywhere. In
>any case, diesel is available.
>
Never said diesel won't work. Was only responding to the blanket
statement that "kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
world". Despite my occasional protestations that Tucson may not be part of
the civilized world, my comment was meant to point out that kerosene (in
and of itself as a product sold as "kerosene", not lantern nor camp stove
fuel) is not necessarily easily available all over. Also, isn't camp stove
fuel really white gasoline? Not necessarily something to be using as a
solvent.
>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:45:26 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Get some diesel fuel. Close enough that you'd never know the difference.
>WD
>> >40 also works. BTW, kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
>> >word. How hard did you look?
>> >
>>
>> Places like Tucson with very little winter have a limited number of
>> sources. As far as I am aware, there are two places one can get kerosene
>> here, one place here wanted to charge $8/gallon for a pail of kerosene
>last
>> winter. My normal supplier is much more reasonable but they only carry
>> kerosene during the winter months and in limited supply.
>>
>> >
>> >"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>> >> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>> >> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Mineral spirits.
Don Dando
"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
Cap'n 321 wrote:
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
I clean my tools and other things with Permatex Fast Orange smooth hand
cleaner. It may leave a lotiony residue that you may want to remove
with something like kerosene :P
Seriously though, I use it on my hands and my tools. Heck, generally I
wash both at the same time.
There is also brake cleaner. You can probably find some good stuff at
your local autoparts store.
--
Thank you,
"Then said I, Wisdom [is] better than strength: nevertheless the poor
man's wisdom [is] despised, and his words are not heard." Ecclesiastes 9:16
"deadlock" <nobody@nowhere_yes_its a_cliche.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Cap'n 321 wrote:
>>> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>>> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>>> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>>
>> Lighter fluid.
>>
> Mountain bike citrus degreaser. Water soluble, a 1/2 litre bottle goes a
> long way. And, no, I didn't think it would work either. Trip down to your
> local bike shop and have a word. Trust me.
You forgot to say "April Fools"
Putting water into the equation doesn't make any sense to me. I use mineral
spirits and WD-40 from a refillable spray bottle.
> As a guy who sells this in a bike shop, I suggest kerosene or the $6 /
> gallon citrus degreaser from the Borg, vs. the $6 1/2 liter from the
> bike shop.
>
YES something to the same effect was going to be my suggestion. Get it
cheap as possible. I bought some to degrease some old thrift shop brace
augers once, worked like a you-know-what, quite well. They came in an
old cardboard can with a metal screw on cap and they were caked with
grease and dirt. Once done, rinse and dry.
> Even _the bike_ shop dosen't use that in it's own parts washer. <G>
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cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/
Cap'n 321 wrote:
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
Can you find diesel fuel or heating oil? They are essentially kerosene with
different tax schemes attached. As far as that goes, you can also use Jet-A.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
[email protected]
Kerosene is probably recommended as being available and inexpensive.
Mineral Spirits works as well. The recommendation to NOT use gasoline or
acetone is due to flammability.
Dave Paine.
"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
George wrote:
> "George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Most of us don't have a clue what all these different fractions are or how
>>they differ. But just because something doesn't say it is kerosene,
>>doesn't mean it isn't kerosene or the next best thing. They don't call
>>wick type lanterns kerosene lamps because they burn whale oil. Yuppie
>>lamps still use kerosene, they just put colors and smells into it.
>>
>>I don't know what camp stove fuel is but it acts just like lighter fluid,
>>excellent for removing gunky labels. It is not what we use to buy as
>>"white gas" which, near as I can tell, is regular gasoline without the
>>coloring and without the lead. Not too cool to burn gasoline with lead in
>>it in a camp stove. Course camp fuel will also work in a gasoline stove.
>>In any case, the camp fuel I've bought does not act exactly like gasoline
>>which is less viscous and evaporates faster.
>
>
> All that money wasted on printing labels and warnings.
Don't normally take warning labels off but I sure
remove price labels, especially the on every piece
of plastic pipe where a fitting would go.
>
> Suppose you and CW could get together over a cigar and discuss the
> difference in volatility and flash point between kerosene and camp stove
> fuel?
Nope, don't like cigars, quit smoking over 25
years ago, don't care if they do smoke, but assume
they have no selfcontrol and don't mind the stink.
Oh, and I really don't care about volatility and
flash point of kerosene and camp stove, just know
they are not quite the same thing.
Personally, I'd already have that saw outside,
washed with gasoline, good antirust coating added,
and in the shop cutting wood. Beats climbing
around in trees cutting limbs, like I did today.
Course if I was really gung-ho I'd be down at HF
buying a lathe and trying my hand and making some
bowls with the Amur Cork tree wood I cut today.
But, I've never turned anything so...........
>
>
"Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Cap'n 321 wrote:
>> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>
> Lighter fluid.
>
Mountain bike citrus degreaser. Water soluble, a 1/2 litre bottle goes a
long way. And, no, I didn't think it would work either. Trip down to your
local bike shop and have a word. Trust me.
"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
Hey, I just got a new Delta on Wednesday!
I cleaned as much as I could with paper towels, and they got the rest off
with 409.
I bet mineral spirits works better, but 409 smells better.
Get some diesel fuel. Close enough that you'd never know the difference. WD
40 also works. BTW, kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
word. How hard did you look?
"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
> You will play hell trying to find kero in SoCal.
>
> It's an air quality issue.
>
> Lew
I am in socal, and it's everywhere. Cheap too. But it's in any standard
little hardware store, in those two tone rectangular cans, like dirty yellow
and white colored. I think it costs around $2.99 a quart or so.
--
Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/
I like VM&P Naptha.
Darrell
"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 14:31:07 GMT, Cap'n 321
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
Use an entire roll of paper towels to wipe off as much as possible.
Kerosene is not that difficult to find. It is sold at most large gas
stations and Walmart. I'd check the hunting/fishing/camping supplies
area. You don't need a lot of kerosene, and it has a lot of uses
including removing light rust and preventing it, plus it is relatively
non-toxic! Yeah, it does stink, but it's not too bad if open a
window.
Standard lantern and camp stove fuel. In Arizona? Got to be everywhere. In
any case, diesel is available.
"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:45:26 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Get some diesel fuel. Close enough that you'd never know the difference.
WD
> >40 also works. BTW, kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
> >word. How hard did you look?
> >
>
> Places like Tucson with very little winter have a limited number of
> sources. As far as I am aware, there are two places one can get kerosene
> here, one place here wanted to charge $8/gallon for a pail of kerosene
last
> winter. My normal supplier is much more reasonable but they only carry
> kerosene during the winter months and in limited supply.
>
> >
> >"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> >> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> >> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
> >
>
>
>
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"George" <George@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "deadlock" <nobody@nowhere_yes_its a_cliche.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Enoch Root" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Cap'n 321 wrote:
>>>> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>>>> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>>>> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Lighter fluid.
>>>
>> Mountain bike citrus degreaser. Water soluble, a 1/2 litre bottle goes a
>> long way. And, no, I didn't think it would work either. Trip down to your
>> local bike shop and have a word. Trust me.
>>
>
> Great idea! Water and cast iron should be friends....
>
We have a new invention over here called towels. That and a little old
fashioned common sense restraint should see you allright.
The Cap'n 321 entity posted thusly:
>Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
If you can't find it at WalMart or a large gas station or camping
supplies place, WD-40, though somewhat expensive, is basically scented
kerosene.
The George entity posted thusly:
>
>"Oleg Lego" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> The Cap'n 321 entity posted thusly:
>>
>>>Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>>>Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>>>acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>>
>> If you can't find it at WalMart or a large gas station or camping
>> supplies place, WD-40, though somewhat expensive, is basically scented
>> kerosene.
>>
>
>Not even close. Stoddard solvent. Kerosene is a bunch heavier. Mineral
>spirits a close match.
Since WD40 ingredients are proprietary, and since Stoddard solvent is,
like kerosene and Varsol, an aliphatic petroleum distillate, I would
say that the point is pretty much moot. WD40 pours like kerosene,
burns like kerosene, and in all ways except smell, acts like kerosene,
I would consider it to be, most likely, a duck.
On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:43:29 -0500, "Tyke" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Kerosene is probably recommended as being available and inexpensive.
>Mineral Spirits works as well. The recommendation to NOT use gasoline or
>acetone is due to flammability.
>
Thought the admonition against acetone would be due to damage to painted
surfaces? Definitely agree that the gasoline would be flammability
concerns.
>Dave Paine.
>
>"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>
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On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 21:39:12 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
[Top posting fixed]
>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:05:02 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>I'd be willing to bet that I could take a flight to Tucson, and, upon
>ariving, I could find kerosene withing 1 hour.
>
[sigh] As you could note in my original post on this topic, I indicated
that, as best I have been able to find, there are *two* sources for
kerosene in Tucson. One of them is obscenely expensive, the second carries
it as a seasonal item. I didn't say it was impossible to find, only that
it was not as readily available as some alternatives.
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Mark & Juanita wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 06:05:02 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Standard lantern and camp stove fuel. In Arizona? Got to be everywhere. In
>>any case, diesel is available.
>>
>
>
> Never said diesel won't work. Was only responding to the blanket
> statement that "kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
> world". Despite my occasional protestations that Tucson may not be part of
> the civilized world, my comment was meant to point out that kerosene (in
> and of itself as a product sold as "kerosene", not lantern nor camp stove
> fuel) is not necessarily easily available all over. Also, isn't camp stove
> fuel really white gasoline? Not necessarily something to be using as a
> solvent.
>
>
>>"Mark & Juanita" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:45:26 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>
Most of us don't have a clue what all these
different fractions are or how they differ. But
just because something doesn't say it is kerosene,
doesn't mean it isn't kerosene or the next best
thing. They don't call wick type lanterns
kerosene lamps because they burn whale oil. Yuppie
lamps still use kerosene, they just put colors
and smells into it.
I don't know what camp stove fuel is but it acts
just like lighter fluid, excellent for removing
gunky labels. It is not what we use to buy as
"white gas" which, near as I can tell, is regular
gasoline without the coloring and without the
lead. Not too cool to burn gasoline with lead in
it in a camp stove. Course camp fuel will also
work in a gasoline stove. In any case, the camp
fuel I've bought does not act exactly like
gasoline which is less viscous and evaporates faster.
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 02:45:26 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Get some diesel fuel. Close enough that you'd never know the difference. WD
>40 also works. BTW, kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
>word. How hard did you look?
>
Places like Tucson with very little winter have a limited number of
sources. As far as I am aware, there are two places one can get kerosene
here, one place here wanted to charge $8/gallon for a pail of kerosene last
winter. My normal supplier is much more reasonable but they only carry
kerosene during the winter months and in limited supply.
>
>"Cap'n 321" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>
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Got diesel? In any case, I did specify the civilized world.
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
> > BTW, kerosene is easily available in most of the civilized
> > word. How hard did you look?
>
> You will play hell trying to find kero in SoCal.
>
> It's an air quality issue.
>
> Lew
On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 11:47:58 -0600, Oleg Lego <[email protected]> wrote:
>The Cap'n 321 entity posted thusly:
>
>>Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
>>Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
>>acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
>
>If you can't find it at WalMart or a large gas station or camping
>supplies place, WD-40, though somewhat expensive, is basically scented
>kerosene.
Some auto supply stores carry WD-40 in bulk 1 gallon cans and relatively
inexpensive compared to the aerosols. The last place I saw this was at Pep
Boys several years ago; haven't looked since.
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Cap'n 321 wrote:
> Got my new Delta delivered and need to clean the gunk off the tables.
> Delta says use kerosene and specifically says not to use gasoline or
> acetone. Finding kerosene is a pain in the butt. Any ideas?
Good grief! Diesel fuel is essentially the same
thing. How about fuel for wick type lamps, also
many hardware and other places sell kerosene
heaters so they also sell kerosene, also Lowes and
Home Depot. Why not use WD 40.
They probably don't want you to clean it with
gasoline or acetone because it might rust almost
immediately.
Figured. Being California though, I thought the unavailability just might be
true.
"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > You will play hell trying to find kero in SoCal.
> >
> > It's an air quality issue.
> >
> > Lew
>
> I am in socal, and it's everywhere. Cheap too. But it's in any standard
> little hardware store, in those two tone rectangular cans, like dirty
yellow
> and white colored. I think it costs around $2.99 a quart or so.
>
> --
> Alex - "newbie_neander" woodworker
> cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
> not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/