This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
(Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
when clamping sensitive areas."
Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
My guess is the "oil" is coming from the Cedar, not the clamp.
--
Bill Pounds
http://www.bill.pounds.net/woodshop
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>
> When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
> find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
> wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
> clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
> cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
> not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
> proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
>
> One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
> only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
> when clamping sensitive areas."
>
> Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
>
>
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:57:55 -0700, "Phil Anderson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I love ya man, but I think this may have been a mistake.
I'm just reporting. Don't shoot the messenger.
>Unless I'm reading this wrong, the original poster is simply talking about moisture or,
>perhaps, oil, collecting at the site the clamp is grabbing the wood. I've
>experienced this many times with many different clamps. It's the wood
>giving off the moisture or oil, not the clamps, and it goes away (sinks back
>in) after the clamp has been removed awhile..
All suppositions made and discarded in the original thread. It's no
mystery or fiction. Take a look at http://www.woodcentral.com
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:19:13 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>This is unbelievable. I have looked at your website, LRod, for a long time.
>I got a kick out of a lot of your stories and loved the stuff you've
>compiled about NYW. You're woodworking experience and advice has always
>been appreciated by me.
Thank you. Seriously.
>But, the way you're pushing all this BS about these clamps, for no apparent
>rational reason is baffling. We're talking about clamps, for God's sake. It's
>not religion. I'm sure you won't give a rat's a$$ about it, but I wonder if you
>realize how bizarre you seem by "taking the fight to the Cabinet Masters".
It does seem bizarre that a lot of people do seem to take it
religiously. Actually, I'm kind of ambivalent about the CMs
themselves, partly because I like my K-Bodies and have a lot of them,
so I'm not even in the clamp market (which is to say I don't have a
dog in this hunt, to quote the vernacular).
I think this all started when they first came out and some people got
in a lather about how much better they were than K-Bodies (using some
of the same arguments you did), when in fact, some of those "features"
may not be anything more than marketing gimmicks. We've covered that
subject elsewhere.
The thing that got to me was when people would carry on about the
supposed (and undemonstrated) advantages AND talk about how they were
much cheaper (when in fact they are only a couple of bucks cheaper).
If they were priced by the pound then the CMs have it all over the
Besseys. I have more than $1000 worth of K-Bodies. So I could have
saved what? $60 by buying CMs (which weren't even on the market when I
got the Besseys)? At two or four clamps per purchase, big deal.
Then the sticking head thing cropped up. And it wasn't just an early
run of clamps, it wasn't a rare occurence, and it wasn't from
mishandling. What it was, was unique to the CM design; K-Bodies don't
do that. As far as I know, Gros-Stabils don't do that. The religious
war part began when I pointed that out to people and you would think I
had insulted their imam or something.
>You never even responding in the other thread about that link I posted
>regarding the possible "fatigue" problem with k-bodies.
I checked the link. It was obvious that the site was a Gros-Stabil
seller, thus rendering the "report" suspect. You acknowledged that
when you posted the link.
In any event, as I said about the instance you alleged, there are
thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of K-Bodies in use starting
from maybe 15 years ago. So far, we have what? a couple of allegations
that one or two MIGHT have failed.
Now contrast that with the much smaller sample of CMs extant with the
incredible percentage of users having problems (not one or two users,
but dozens; and not just the sticking head problem, either) and I
think that "design flaw" is not too strong a word.
But let's leave "design flaw" out of it. How would you characterize a
complaint rate of, say 10% vs a complaint rate of, say 0.001%? Massage
the numbers however you want; make it 5% (half) vs 0.01% (X10) if it
makes you feel better. THAT's the point.
As I said, Jorgensen/ACC makes some nice clamps. The CM may even have
some interesting innovations, but to claim it is light years ahead of
the K-Body, particularly given the reliability history, is, um,
slavishly myopic. How's that?
>Anyway, enough time has been wasted on this topic, I think.
I'm sorry my position offends you. However, I like pricking baloons,
but okay. I won't post any more in this thread. You can have the last
word. This is mine (in this thread, not necessarily on this subject).
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:16:16 GMT, "Pounds on Wood"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My guess is the "oil" is coming from the Cedar, not the clamp.
That was suggested in one of the replies in the original thread,
however, two other posters mentioned the same thing had happened with
maple. Not much oil in maple.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:08:59 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>LRod, you seem to really have bug up your @33 about Cabinet Masters,
No, just the third party hyperbole about them. See my reply to Mike.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:43:47 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] (LRod) wrote:
>>I think this all started when they first came out and some people got
>>in a lather about how much better they were than K-Bodies (using some
>>of the same arguments you did), when in fact, some of those "features"
>>may not be anything more than marketing gimmicks. We've covered that
>>subject elsewhere.
>Okay. I certainly agree that getting in a lather about how much better
>they are than K bodies is pretty silly. Both are nice products, and
>there are things that people might like about each. BFD. Sounds like
>you almost decided to counter-lather the latherer.
Bingo.
Add your name to the too-short list of people who get it.
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>BTY, on you pet peeve site, the first word "voila" ;~) I see that you
>were pointing out that the word actually starts out with a "V" sound vs. the
>"W" sound, but did you know that the " a" at the end of the word is a LONG
>"a"?
>Voila is actually pronounced vwa-lay. Thought you might appreciate that.
>;~)
And actually spelled "voilà". Either French has changed since I took
it 30+ years ago, I was taught wrong, or you are wrong. I'm not sure
which, but I'm betting on the third (but not betting big bucks,
because I sucked as a French student!). Interestingly, an online
dictionary pronounces it as you describe, even though their phonetic
spelling of it shows the same vowel sound for the first and second
syllable. And a French pronunciation guide I checked showed à as being
pronounce like the a in papa.
Maybe a native French speaker can chime in here?
--
Alex
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[email protected] (LRod) wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:16:16 GMT, "Pounds on Wood"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>My guess is the "oil" is coming from the Cedar, not the clamp.
>
>That was suggested in one of the replies in the original thread,
>however, two other posters mentioned the same thing had happened with
>maple. Not much oil in maple.
No, the other parties reported that the same thing had happened with
after-market soft pads.
--
Alex
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alexy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (LRod) wrote:
>
>>
>>This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
>>(Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>>
>>When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
>>find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
>>wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
>>clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
>>cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
>>not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
>>proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
>>
>>One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
>>only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
>>when clamping sensitive areas."
>>
>>Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
>>
>>
>>LRod
>
>LRod, you seem to really have bug up your @33 about Cabinet Masters,
>but if this report is true, then I would agree that it falls into the
>category of design flaw rather than minor inconvenience. As I type
>this, I am testing one of my clamps, with a clean sheet of typing
>paper wrapped around a paperback book. Also have a pipe clamp on it,
>to see if any oil is coming from the paper in the book.
>
>I'll report back.
After 9 hours, the CM and the pipe clamp (no pads) came off. The white
typing paper showed no signs of stains, and when held up to bright
light showed none of the enhanced translucence typical of oil or water
on paper.
That's not to prove that no CMs or K-bodies have such a problem, but
just that mine (more accurately, the one of mine that I tested) don't.
--
Alex
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"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >Okay. I certainly agree that getting in a lather about how much better
> >they are than K bodies is pretty silly. Both are nice products, and
> >there are things that people might like about each. BFD. Sounds like
> >you almost decided to counter-lather the latherer.
>
> Bingo.
>
> Add your name to the too-short list of people who get it.
Um, is that paragraph what you are Bingoing? I don't think you were
agreeing earlier that BOTH were nice products or acknowledged that there
were legitimate reasons to like the CM clamps up until now maybe. Anyway,
the K-Body owners have legitimate reasons to like their tools and the CM
owners have legitimate reasons to like their tools. We should all respect
each others reasons for choosing one product over another and not be so dead
set with the idea that what is good for one individual is the absolute best
for every one.
Any way LRod, why don't we get back to focusing more of our energy towards
solving problems and giving good advice.
BTY, on you pet peeve site, the first word "voila" ;~) I see that you
were pointing out that the word actually starts out with a "V" sound vs. the
"W" sound, but did you know that the " a" at the end of the word is a LONG
"a"?
Voila is actually pronounced vwa-lay. Thought you might appreciate that.
;~)
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:41:51 -0500, Unisaw A100 <[email protected]>
commented:
>What I have found quite interesting about all of this is
>that LRod has unwittingly unearthed yet another "Wreck
>WoodDorking Sacred Subject". What I want to know now is how
>this one stacks up in the hierarchy. I realize its way
>below Lee Valley (everything is/Lee Valley is The Scared of
>The Sacred) but did/does it nudge out the Forrest WWII for
>the number two spot?
How could you forget the real #2 sacred cow: Norm.
On the other hand, how could I have missed this prime Anti-FAQ fodder?
I now have to find the best angle for "What are the best clamps?"
Luigi
Replace "no" with "yk" twice
in reply address for real email address
This is unbelievable. I have looked at your website, LRod, for a long time.
I got a kick out of a lot of your stories and loved the stuff you've
compiled about NYW. You're woodworking experience and advice has always
been appreciated by me. But, the way you're pushing all this BS about these
clamps, for no apparent rational reason is baffling. We're talking about
clamps, for God's sake. It's not religion. I'm sure you won't give a rat's
a$$ about it, but I wonder if you realize how bizarre you seem by "taking
the fight to the Cabinet Masters".
You never even responding in the other thread about that link I posted
regarding the possible "fatigue" problem with k-bodies. Anyway, enough time
has been wasted on this topic, I think.
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>
> When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
> find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
> wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
> clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
> cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
> not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
> proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
>
> One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
> only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
> when clamping sensitive areas."
>
> Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
>
>
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
LRod wrote:
>Bingo.
>Add your name to the too-short list of people who get it.
What I have found quite interesting about all of this is
that LRod has unwittingly unearthed yet another "Wreck
WoodDorking Sacred Subject". What I want to know now is how
this one stacks up in the hierarchy. I realize its way
below Lee Valley (everything is/Lee Valley is The Scared of
The Sacred) but did/does it nudge out the Forrest WWII for
the number two spot?
UA100, from the short list...
Naw Jack, I think I have passed that and am already on his S_it list.. LOL
"JackD" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
> > > I wonder if you realize how bizarre you seem by "taking
> > > the fight to the Cabinet Masters".
> >
>
> > I noticed he has a "pet peeve" section.. I suspect that the Cabinet
> Master
> > clamps are going to be added in soon.
>
> Keep it up and he'll add you too!
> :-)
>
> -Jack
>
>
What a coincidence! My cabinet masters infect the wood with ebola virus.
I'm thinking of getting rid of them, but they are locked shut on my a** and
I can't get them loose.
They really suck.
I won't even go into what happened when I used them on "sensitive areas"
-Jack
> "LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> :
> : This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> : (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
> :
> : When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
> : find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
> : wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
> : clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
> : cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
> : not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
> : proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
> :
> : One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
> : only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
> : when clamping sensitive areas."
> :
> : Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
> :
> :
> : LRod
> :
> : Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
> :
> : Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
> :
> : http://www.woodbutcher.net
>
>
LRod,
I love ya man, but I think this may have been a mistake. Unless I'm reading
this wrong, the original poster is simply talking about moisture or,
perhaps, oil, collecting at the site the clamp is grabbing the wood. I've
experienced this many times with many different clamps. It's the wood
giving off the moisture or oil, not the clamps, and it goes away (sinks back
in) after the clamp has been removed awhile..
Phil, a confirmed KBody user.
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"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>
<snip>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
> > I wonder if you realize how bizarre you seem by "taking
> > the fight to the Cabinet Masters".
>
> I noticed he has a "pet peeve" section.. I suspect that the Cabinet
Master
> clamps are going to be added in soon.
Keep it up and he'll add you too!
:-)
-Jack
LRod,
I am a little surprised at some of the regulars shooting the messenger. It
is not improbable that the clamp pad sweats (I have a Snap-On screwdriver
that sweats plasticizer). Reading a few other posts, the reports seem to
agree that the pads *do* sweat.
Perhaps if the discussion continues the emotional rhetoric could cease and
just facts be discussed. After all, this is how we decided the world is
round, and not flat.
Methinks the trolls have stirred everyone up too much.
cheers,
Greg
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
<snip>
Where I come from (S Louisiana) we pronounce it vwä-'lä when speaking
French to each other (leave off your "y"). It is noteworthy that many of
those educated in the last twenty years seem to prefer spelling it "viola".
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"Leon" wrote in message
> BTY, on you pet peeve site, the first word "voila" ;~) I see that you
> were pointing out that the word actually starts out with a "V" sound vs.
the
> "W" sound, but did you know that the " a" at the end of the word is a LONG
> "a"?
> Voila is actually pronounced vwa-lay. Thought you might appreciate
that.
> ;~)
Sounds like a new urban legend in the making.
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
: This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
: (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
:
: When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
: find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
: wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
: clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
: cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
: not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
: proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
:
: One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
: only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
: when clamping sensitive areas."
:
: Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
:
:
: LRod
:
: Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
:
: Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
:
: http://www.woodbutcher.net
[email protected] (LRod) wrote:
>
>This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
>(Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>
>When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
>find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
>wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
>clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
>cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
>not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
>proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
>
>One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
>only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
>when clamping sensitive areas."
>
>Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
>
>
>LRod
LRod, you seem to really have bug up your @33 about Cabinet Masters,
but if this report is true, then I would agree that it falls into the
category of design flaw rather than minor inconvenience. As I type
this, I am testing one of my clamps, with a clean sheet of typing
paper wrapped around a paperback book. Also have a pipe clamp on it,
to see if any oil is coming from the paper in the book.
I'll report back.
--
Alex
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where I come from (S Louisiana) we pronounce it vwä-'lä when speaking
> French to each other (leave off your "y"). It is noteworthy that many of
> those educated in the last twenty years seem to prefer spelling it
"viola".
>
> --
I knew I was going to get something back on this.. ;~) I was using an
internet site that verbally pronounces words so that you can hear how the
word is pronounced. I think most people pronounce the la as like the note
"la" as in do ra me fa so la.
Apparently.... The online dictionary breaks it out as you did with the 2
dots over the "a", which means the "a" should sound like the la or the "a"
in father. Oddly, the verbal that you hear comes out vwa- lay.
My apologies to LRod and others for the bad information on this matter.
Thank you Swingman.. ;~)
If you are talking about the orange pads used on the pipe clamps, I get that
too. I um sand off and finish. I have NEVER had any trouble with the
finish in these areas.
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"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>
> When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
> find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
> wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
> clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
> cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
> not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
> proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
>
> One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
> only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
> when clamping sensitive areas."
>
> Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
>
>
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
[email protected] (LRod) wrote:
>Actually, I'm kind of ambivalent about the CMs
>themselves
You do a masterful job of hiding that ambivalence behind the gleeful
trumpeting of any real or perceived problems with them.
>I think this all started when they first came out and some people got
>in a lather about how much better they were than K-Bodies (using some
>of the same arguments you did), when in fact, some of those "features"
>may not be anything more than marketing gimmicks. We've covered that
>subject elsewhere.
Okay. I certainly agree that getting in a lather about how much better
they are than K bodies is pretty silly. Both are nice products, and
there are things that people might like about each. BFD. Sounds like
you almost decided to counter-lather the latherer.
>The thing that got to me was when people would carry on about the
>supposed (and undemonstrated) advantages
Why does it bother you if these features were perceived or real
advantages to other people, even if they were not to you?
>Then the sticking head thing cropped up. And it wasn't just an early
>run of clamps, it wasn't a rare occurence, and it wasn't from
>mishandling.
Yeah, I checked that out, and it is not just from mishandling. Can
happen just by normal sliding shut. And can be avoided by leaving the
screw turned in 1/2" or so, so that it can be fully backed out if they
become stuck. I agree that better design should not require that, but
I say BFD, particularly knowing that if I do fully back out the screw
and get them stuck the screwdriver solution is still there.
--
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In article <[email protected]>, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Where I come from (S Louisiana) we pronounce it vwä-'lä when speaking
>French to each other (leave off your "y"). It is noteworthy that many of
>those educated in the last twenty years seem to prefer spelling it "viola".
>
Or worse yet, "wallah".
--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Luigi Zanasi wrote:
>How could you forget the real #2 sacred cow: Norm.
AkchooLee, no, there are no humans on the list at this time.
At least none spring to mind. Norm has long been debated,
vilified and beatified here so he ain't onnit. Nope, not on
the list. Now Rob Lee teknikaLee is by his association with
Lee Valley. I'm not sure how it counts though. Now that
Rob has been added to the Highest Order of Canucks I expect
to see churches in his honor (honour David) springing up all
across the lands.
>On the other hand, how could I have missed this prime Anti-FAQ fodder?
>I now have to find the best angle for "What are the best clamps?"
Its the subtleties that we over look. As for angle clamps,
I've yet to find one that I really like. Maybe Lee Valley
has one?
UA100
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is unbelievable. I have looked at your website, LRod, for a long
time.
> I got a kick out of a lot of your stories and loved the stuff you've
> compiled about NYW. You're woodworking experience and advice has always
> been appreciated by me. But, the way you're pushing all this BS about
these
> clamps, for no apparent rational reason is baffling. We're talking about
> clamps, for God's sake. It's not religion. I'm sure you won't give a
rat's
> a$$ about it, but I wonder if you realize how bizarre you seem by "taking
> the fight to the Cabinet Masters".
I have seen LRod's site also.. Lots of info in there... relative easy to
navigate...
I noticed he has a "pet peeve" section.. I suspect that the Cabinet Master
clamps are going to be added in soon.
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:31:00 GMT, alexy <[email protected]>
scribbled
>And actually spelled "voilà". Either French has changed since I took
>it 30+ years ago, I was taught wrong, or you are wrong. I'm not sure
>which, but I'm betting on the third (but not betting big bucks,
>because I sucked as a French student!). Interestingly, an online
>dictionary pronounces it as you describe, even though their phonetic
>spelling of it shows the same vowel sound for the first and second
>syllable. And a French pronunciation guide I checked showed à as being
>pronounce like the a in papa.
>
>Maybe a native French speaker can chime in here?
Close to the "a" in father, but a little more open. No diphtongization
at all.
BTW, the "à" (a with a grave accent) in voilà can be accessed by
holding the ALT key and hitting 133 on the numeric keypad.
Luigi
who grew up in Montreal and likes to say that English is his third
language, without pronouncing the superfluous "h" in third, of course.
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Where I come from (S Louisiana) we pronounce it vwä-'lä when speaking
>French to each other (leave off your "y"). It is noteworthy that many of
>those educated in the last twenty years seem to prefer spelling it "viola".
Even if they are not in the orchestra? <g>
--
Alex
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:39:52 GMT, "Leon"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>LRod you seem to really have a bug up your ass over these clamps.
>
>The people that actually own and use CM clamps know that most of what you
>blurt out is fabricated in you busy little mind...
>
>
>
>TROLL..
>
he's just pissed that he lost out on the woodcraft clamp sale.
sounds like sour clamps to me
LRod <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> This (and part of a response) was posted on a woodworking forum today
> (Friday, 24 October) and presented here without further analysis:
>
> When I clamp ceder (sic) with my new Jorgensen heavy duty clamps I
> find "oil spots" where the clamp pads had been pressing against the
> wood. The "oil" also has leached about 1/4 inch radially out from the
> clamping area. I have washed the pads with hot soapy water and then
> cleaned tham with acetone. This has reduced the oit (sic) spots but
> not completely stopped them from occuring. Has anyone had a similar
> proble (sic) and been able to resolve it?
>
> One of the replies from a chemical engineer said, "My solution is to
> only use clamps with rigid plastic faces (Bessey K bodies for example)
> when clamping sensitive areas."
>
> Note, this isn't me. I just reposted what someone else had posted.
>
>
> LRod
>
> Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
>
> Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
>
> http://www.woodbutcher.net
I haven't used the CM's or K's, but a new pair of Jorgensen heavy duty
F-clamps did this to me last week when clamping MDF. The clamps have soft
pads over the jaws. After the overnight glue-up, there were precisely
pad-shaped oil spots where the clamps had been. At the time I thought to
myself a clamp company should know better. But at least I can take these
pads off. I'd have been really peeved if the clamps' permanent jaws did
this.
Bruce