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"C & E"

05/04/2009 10:55 PM

Dulling a finish

I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
was great! Good grip and nice blend of colors. I decided taht since this
is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to give
a tougher finish. Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good as
it was, shotgun. Is there any product or method that will knock off the
gloss? I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky. Have
any of you tried it. I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
potential for a better method. Anything... first day of spring gobbler is
April 25.


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Bored Borg

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

07/04/2009 1:33 AM

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 03:55:56 +0100, C & E wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
> was great! Good grip and nice blend of colors. I decided taht since this
> is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to give
> a tougher finish. Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good as
> it was, shotgun. Is there any product or method that will knock off the
> gloss? I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky. Have
> any of you tried it. I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
> potential for a better method. Anything... first day of spring gobbler is
> April 25.
>

Barkeeper's Friend or if not, "Vim" if you have it in your neck of the woods
- a kitchen scouring powder that polishes down to a matt finish.
Basically pumice powder.

I think the BF has oxalic acid in it and the Vim types have a bleaching
agent.




What's wrong with wrapping the stock in black duct tape? It covers up the saw
marks when you saw the barrels off, too...

Oops...

CE

"C & E"

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

06/04/2009 9:17 PM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Apr 5, 8:55 pm, "C & E" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
> was great! Good grip and nice blend of colors. I decided taht since this
> is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to
> give
> a tougher finish. Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good as
> it was, shotgun. Is there any product or method that will knock off the
> gloss? I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky. Have
> any of you tried it. I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
> potential for a better method. Anything... first day of spring gobbler is
> April 25.

A few minutes with some 000 or 0000 steel wool will knock the sheen right
off.

You would have been better off to leave the stone finish alone as it is
meant to be a complete, high build, high solid finish in itself.

Interesting finish choice for a shotgun...

<snip>Good luck on your project!

Robert

Yep, that good 'ole hinde sight kicking in. I wanted added durability. The
look is quite good - many
complements that, like you, weren't expecting it to look good. To tell you
the truth, I had my doubts as I
tore it apart and prepped the wood for primer and paint. Why so cheap? The
gun was a junker that was
given to me. Terrible, economy stock and the previous guy's grandfather
slid it into the rafters after a morning
hunt and promptly passed away. The gun laid there for 25 years and was
severely pitted inside and out. I got
the better part of it sanded out. The cold blue is terrible so I'll be
tearing it down again after spring gobbler
season and may just strip this off. Thanks, Robert! Chuck

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

07/04/2009 7:35 PM

Doug Houseman wrote:
>
> Go to a hobby shop where the sell Testors model paints and get a bottle
> (or spray can) of Dull Coat or a Matt finish. It will keep your current
> finish intact and reduce the shine.

Dull Cote will seriously damage Polycylic, as Dull Cote is a lacquer.

Dull Cote over the Rustoleum would have worked pretty well, and it is
nice and flat.

nn

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

05/04/2009 9:45 PM

On Apr 5, 8:55=A0pm, "C & E" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
> was great! =A0Good grip and nice blend of colors. =A0I decided taht since=
this
> is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to gi=
ve
> a tougher finish. =A0Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good=
as
> it was, shotgun. =A0Is there any product or method that will knock off th=
e
> gloss? =A0I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky. =
=A0Have
> any of you tried it. =A0I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
> potential for a better method. =A0Anything... first day of spring gobbler=
is
> April 25.

A few minutes with some 000 or 0000 steel wool will knock the sheen
right off.

You would have been better off to leave the stone finish alone as it
is meant to be a complete, high build, high solid finish in itself.

Interesting finish choice for a shotgun...

You can strip that stuff off next year and put on either GUNKOTE or
DURACOAT.

Both are epoxy finishes. Both have their own strong properties. Both
are almost impervious to oil and solvents when properly applied. This
solvent resistance will prove to be most helpful when cleaning or
maintaining your guns.

IIRC, the 870 is a pumper, so you should able to take it apart and
take off the wood parts (if you don't have the long barreled full
choker) to put it in your oven. If you could get the gun in the oven,
I would use GUNKOTE.

The guys on the custom knives forum say DURACOAT is just about as
good, and no baking. On the firearms forum they claim it works as
well as the GUNKOTE. There is a nice FAQ on this site:
http://www.lauerweaponry.com

I don't see how a non baked finish can be as hard as a baked finish,
but I haven't used either personally.

Good luck on your project!

Robert

DH

Doug Houseman

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

06/04/2009 8:34 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
"MikeWhy" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "C & E" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
> >was great! Good grip and nice blend of colors. I decided taht since this
> >is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to give
> >a tougher finish. Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good as
> >it was, shotgun. Is there any product or method that will knock off the
> >gloss? I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky.
> >Have any of you tried it. I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
> >potential for a better method. Anything... first day of spring gobbler is
> >April 25.
>
> A touch of paste wax applied with steel wool should it.

Go to a hobby shop where the sell Testors model paints and get a bottle
(or spray can) of Dull Coat or a Matt finish. It will keep your current
finish intact and reduce the shine.

Gw

"Geosniper"

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

09/06/2009 7:36 PM

The WD-40 website says that it's a good product for dulling a
finish....can't say I've tried it though, it might be worth giving it a
shot. Mmmm Gobbler


"Bored Borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 03:55:56 +0100, C & E wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
>> was great! Good grip and nice blend of colors. I decided taht since
>> this
>> is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to
>> give
>> a tougher finish. Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good
>> as
>> it was, shotgun. Is there any product or method that will knock off the
>> gloss? I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky.
>> Have
>> any of you tried it. I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
>> potential for a better method. Anything... first day of spring gobbler
>> is
>> April 25.
>>
>
> Barkeeper's Friend or if not, "Vim" if you have it in your neck of the
> woods
> - a kitchen scouring powder that polishes down to a matt finish.
> Basically pumice powder.
>
> I think the BF has oxalic acid in it and the Vim types have a bleaching
> agent.
>
>
>
>
> What's wrong with wrapping the stock in black duct tape? It covers up the
> saw
> marks when you saw the barrels off, too...
>
> Oops...
>

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

06/04/2009 11:47 AM

Doug Houseman wrote:
> Go to a hobby shop where the sell Testors model paints and get a bottle
> (or spray can) of Dull Coat or a Matt finish. It will keep your current
> finish intact and reduce the shine.


You can also find that at an art supply store, and possibly Joann fabrics,
Michaels, or other places you have to wonder around in looking for manly
stuff while your wife is shopping.


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Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

06/04/2009 12:11 PM

Steve Turner wrote:
>> You can also find that at an art supply store, and possibly Joann
>> fabrics,
>> Michaels, or other places you have to wonder around in looking for manly
>> stuff while your wife is shopping.
>
> If some enterprising soul were to open up a "Leroy's Art Supplies and
> Beer Emporium" then we wouldn't have to deal with this embarrassing
> situation.
>

LMAO! I've had that similar sentiment for years.


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"MikeWhy"

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

05/04/2009 11:18 PM

"C & E" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I used Rustoleum 'Stone' finish on a severly bashed up 870 shotgun and it
>was great! Good grip and nice blend of colors. I decided taht since this
>is a tool for the woods I would use satin, Minwax polyvinyl acrylic to give
>a tougher finish. Well, now I have a nice, slightly shiny, not as good as
>it was, shotgun. Is there any product or method that will knock off the
>gloss? I have seen polys dull when when touched while slightly tacky.
>Have any of you tried it. I haven't, yet, so that I don't mess with the
>potential for a better method. Anything... first day of spring gobbler is
>April 25.

A touch of paste wax applied with steel wool should it.

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

06/04/2009 12:03 PM

-MIKE- wrote:
> Doug Houseman wrote:
>> Go to a hobby shop where the sell Testors model paints and get a
>> bottle (or spray can) of Dull Coat or a Matt finish. It will keep your
>> current finish intact and reduce the shine.
>
>
> You can also find that at an art supply store, and possibly Joann fabrics,
> Michaels, or other places you have to wonder around in looking for manly
> stuff while your wife is shopping.

If some enterprising soul were to open up a "Leroy's Art Supplies and
Beer Emporium" then we wouldn't have to deal with this embarrassing
situation.

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Tom Veatch

in reply to "C & E" on 05/04/2009 10:55 PM

06/04/2009 12:37 AM

On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 22:55:56 -0400, "C & E" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>...Is there any product or method that will knock off the gloss?...

I've had pretty good luck using those plastic abrasive cleaning pads
(3M ???) from the grocery store to knock the gloss off finishes. They
come in several "grits" from green (coarse) through blue to white
(very fine). Requires a firm touch, but they don't leave steel fiber
residue behind.

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


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