So, my musical theory bombs? I can imagine that.
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
>
> 2629, vaguely resembles boxes used for sound equipment, for travelling
> musicians. Except for the open ends....
Looks like it was used by the Air Force to carry aerial bombs
Leon wrote:
> On 8/10/2012 7:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local
>>>>> range would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any
>>>>> smart bombs in the '40s.
>>>>
>>>> Just does not seem that there would be any need to house a bomb in
>>>> a container - even back then.
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you get them from the factory to the battlezone? Would
>>> you want to be on a ship with them rolling around in the hold,
>>> while the ship is rocked in rough waters?
>>>
>>> You can't use bubblewrap. :)
>>
>> As previously stated - bombs are traditionally supported on dunnage.
>> No need for the covering of a box.
>>
>
>
> FWIW
>
> http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/47311-napalm-bombs-vietnam-1969/
Yes - I have seen those "crates" up close and personal, over there. Not the
same. Simply dunnage with a superstructure to support more dunnage on top
of it. They often simply showed up strapped to basic dunnage as well.
Napalm was somewhat unique in that it is a thin skinned bomb that requires a
bit more protection than your basic bomb. They were often filled in the
bomb dump - just showed up as empty casings.
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From an earlier set, I am remembering something about 2632 being used in
repair of tires, maybe early tube tires on rims. Separate the tire from the
rim, maybe.
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"Rob H." <[email protected]> on Thu, 9 Aug 2012 04:08:44 -0400
typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
>Today's set of items has been posted:
>
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Shipping container, crank shaft / axle / generator type "core."
>
>
>Rob
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you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.
On 8/10/2012 7:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local
>>>> range would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any smart
>>>> bombs in the '40s.
>>>
>>> Just does not seem that there would be any need to house a bomb in a
>>> container - even back then.
>>
>>
>> How do you get them from the factory to the battlezone? Would you
>> want to be on a ship with them rolling around in the hold, while the
>> ship is rocked in rough waters?
>>
>> You can't use bubblewrap. :)
>
> As previously stated - bombs are traditionally supported on dunnage. No
> need for the covering of a box.
>
FWIW
http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/47311-napalm-bombs-vietnam-1969/
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local
> range would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any smart
> bombs in the '40s.
Just does not seem that there would be any need to house a bomb in a
container - even back then.
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> Rob
2629 looks like the sort of re-usable box used to store an expensive,
delicate part in a factory between fabrication and installation. Could be
for aircraft, turbine, missile, tank, etc. The openings at the ends may
mean it held a shaft that rested on the semicircular cutout (which looks
like it is metal-lined for wear). The little removeable sides allowed it to
be picked up more easily.
2630 Shul-son made cobblers and leather tools. Maybe ask a leather worker.
On 8/9/2012 6:17 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
> 2629, vaguely resembles boxes used for sound equipment, for travelling
> musicians. Except for the open ends....
> 2630, no clue.
> 2631, the ramped compartments at the ends might be for coins?
> 2632, and it's still unidentified.
> 2633, maybe a bread box?
> 2634, no clue.
>
> Great selection, this week. I sense that I'm going to learn a lot.
>
> Christopher A. Young
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> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Rob
>
>
2632. Looks like the gun used in the Road Runner cartoons.
On 08/09/2012 04:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
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>
>
> Rob
#2629 appears to have started life as a shipping crate for some heavy
piece of machinery. Something round with a heavy duty shaft on either end.
Someone then decorated the sturdy box for who knows what.
John
Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > All I can say is that I saw what looked to be the same crates marked
> > 'Practice Bomb' in a surplus store near Ft. Rucker in '72 or '73.
> > They were dropped repeatedly, then refurbished for more practice
> > bombing. They were filled with sand at the airfield to simulate the
> > weight of a real bomb, to reduce shipping weight. I was more
> > interested in the ejection seat from a jet fighter.
>
> So - we both speak from our own experiences - which is of limited value.
> You have seen, and I have not seen. It will be interesting to ultimately
> discover what this thing really is. For me - I have no problem in having
> been wrong...
Me either. There are lots of old & oddball shipping crates that no
one will ever learn why they were built. Including some in my shop.
They came from where I worked, but I have no idea what was in them. The
old man who ran shipping would come to my bench and ask, 'Doya want
another wood box?' They are useful to store tools & parts so I took
them. All the labeling was removed before they disposed of them.
Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Leon wrote:
> > On 8/10/2012 7:42 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>> Mike Marlow wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local
> >>>>> range would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any
> >>>>> smart bombs in the '40s.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just does not seem that there would be any need to house a bomb in
> >>>> a container - even back then.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How do you get them from the factory to the battlezone? Would
> >>> you want to be on a ship with them rolling around in the hold,
> >>> while the ship is rocked in rough waters?
> >>>
> >>> You can't use bubblewrap. :)
> >>
> >> As previously stated - bombs are traditionally supported on dunnage.
> >> No need for the covering of a box.
> >>
> >
> >
> > FWIW
> >
> > http://gmic.co.uk/index.php/topic/47311-napalm-bombs-vietnam-1969/
>
> Yes - I have seen those "crates" up close and personal, over there. Not the
> same. Simply dunnage with a superstructure to support more dunnage on top
> of it. They often simply showed up strapped to basic dunnage as well.
> Napalm was somewhat unique in that it is a thin skinned bomb that requires a
> bit more protection than your basic bomb. They were often filled in the
> bomb dump - just showed up as empty casings.
All I can say is that I saw what looked to be the same crates marked
'Practice Bomb' in a surplus store near Ft. Rucker in '72 or '73. They
were dropped repeatedly, then refurbished for more practice bombing.
They were filled with sand at the airfield to simulate the weight of a
real bomb, to reduce shipping weight. I was more interested in the
ejection seat from a jet fighter.
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> Then what's the purpose of the doors on each end that can only be
> removed if the top is removed first?
Think about it. IF it was used to hold a beam, they'd want to close it
up entirely during shipment to keep trash, vermin, etc., out.
At the receiving end, they'd remove the top and the doors, then insert
the lift spike in through the ends (doors). They have to be there,
because the center of the 'spool' (beam) is below the top of the crate.
Insert spike, lift beam out of the box. Re-install doors, re-install
top, ship empty back to the mill again. There, they remove the top and
doors, lift a beam back into the box, remove spike, reinstall doors and
lid, then ship.
LLoyd
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> Like why is the
> interior painted black?
>
That answer could be as simple as my situation. If something that won't
show needs painting, I paint it with whatever color I have handy; and
usually that's whatever has already been opened.
LLoyd
2629, vaguely resembles boxes used for sound equipment, for travelling
musicians. Except for the open ends....
2630, no clue.
2631, the ramped compartments at the ends might be for coins?
2632, and it's still unidentified.
2633, maybe a bread box?
2634, no clue.
Great selection, this week. I sense that I'm going to learn a lot.
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Rob
2634 film retriever. To get 35mm film out of cassette ....
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> All I can say is that I saw what looked to be the same crates marked
> 'Practice Bomb' in a surplus store near Ft. Rucker in '72 or '73.
> They were dropped repeatedly, then refurbished for more practice
> bombing. They were filled with sand at the airfield to simulate the
> weight of a real bomb, to reduce shipping weight. I was more
> interested in the ejection seat from a jet fighter.
So - we both speak from our own experiences - which is of limited value.
You have seen, and I have not seen. It will be interesting to ultimately
discover what this thing really is. For me - I have no problem in having
been wrong...
--
-Mike-
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>>
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local
>>> range would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any smart
>>> bombs in the '40s.
>>
>> Just does not seem that there would be any need to house a bomb in a
>> container - even back then.
>
>
> How do you get them from the factory to the battlezone? Would you
> want to be on a ship with them rolling around in the hold, while the
> ship is rocked in rough waters?
>
> You can't use bubblewrap. :)
As previously stated - bombs are traditionally supported on dunnage. No
need for the covering of a box.
--
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Rob H. wrote:
> "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>>
>>> 2629, vaguely resembles boxes used for sound equipment, for
>>> travelling musicians. Except for the open ends....
>>
>>
>> Looks like it was used by the Air Force to carry aerial bombs
>
>
> That would be my guess as well, but I don't have any proof at all.
I would tend not to believe that. Bombs are usually not held in
containers - just on dunnage. Smart bombs are just bombs with bolt on
electronics and they ship/store in completely different types of containers.
Besdies that - the dimensions are all wrong for any type of bomb.
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Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Rob H. wrote:
> > "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> Stormin Mormon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 2629, vaguely resembles boxes used for sound equipment, for
> >>> travelling musicians. Except for the open ends....
> >>
> >>
> >> Looks like it was used by the Air Force to carry aerial bombs
> >
> >
> > That would be my guess as well, but I don't have any proof at all.
>
> I would tend not to believe that. Bombs are usually not held in
> containers - just on dunnage. Smart bombs are just bombs with bolt on
> electronics and they ship/store in completely different types of containers.
> Besdies that - the dimensions are all wrong for any type of bomb.
Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local range
would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any smart bombs in
the '40s.
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>
> Rob
2629 Shipping crate
2630 Glass cutter
2631 Home made tool cabinet
2632 air hose gun
2633 Bread box
2634 35 mm Film leader retriever http://www.adorama.com/BLFLR.html
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>
> Stormin Mormon wrote:
>>
>> 2629, vaguely resembles boxes used for sound equipment, for travelling
>> musicians. Except for the open ends....
>
>
> Looks like it was used by the Air Force to carry aerial bombs
That would be my guess as well, but I don't have any proof at all.
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>2632: I can't see what the handle does, but maybe this somehow is used to
>stretch wire or take kinks out of it? The wire goes through a little groove
>in the 'flag', then >wraps around the handle. When you pull the handle, it
>pulls the wire. Hell, I don't know.
Just heard from someone who saw this tool many years ago, if his memory
serves correctly the rectangular part at the end was two pieces that spread
open when the handle was pulled. It could have possibly inserted or grabbed
something that was hard to reach, maybe a wire or piece of paper, though
probably something totally different.
On 8/9/12 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> Today's set of items has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
2569: If the shaft would fit within the end doors, why have open ends
at all? Why not make the box 2" longer?
I think it was for a spool that was handled by a shaft, which was
withdrawn for shipment. It makes me think of beams in textiles. A beam
might be wound with 1500 threads for the woof. They might have a
particular color pattern. Beams would be wound in one department, then
transported to looms. I don't remember how they were lifted, but it
would have been disastrous for a machine to grab one around the threads.
So, if you have to ship or store a wound beam, you lift it by the shaft
into the box, then withdraw the shaft. Mice would love to chew up yarns
to get nesting material. Hence the doors.
On 8/10/12 11:51 AM, J Burns wrote:
> On 8/9/12 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> Today's set of items has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
> 2569: If the shaft would fit within the end doors, why have open ends at
> all? Why not make the box 2" longer?
>
> I think it was for a spool that was handled by a shaft, which was
> withdrawn for shipment. It makes me think of beams in textiles. A beam
> might be wound with 1500 threads for the woof. They might have a
> particular color pattern. Beams would be wound in one department, then
> transported to looms. I don't remember how they were lifted, but it
> would have been disastrous for a machine to grab one around the threads.
>
> So, if you have to ship or store a wound beam, you lift it by the shaft
> into the box, then withdraw the shaft. Mice would love to chew up yarns
> to get nesting material. Hence the doors.
http://2.imimg.com/data2/KI/ST/MY-3731351/weavers-beam-500x500.jpg
Here's the sort of beam I have in mind. If a textile mill has a few
looms ten miles from the main plant, it will want to truck wound beams
without messing up the threads.
If the box was for a beam like this, the notches would be to fit the
hubs, but I think the open ends were to insert and withdraw a shaft used
to hoist it.
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> On 08/09/2012 04:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> Today's set of items has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>
> #2629 appears to have started life as a shipping crate for some heavy
> piece of machinery. Something round with a heavy duty shaft on either end.
>
> Someone then decorated the sturdy box for who knows what.
>
> John
I'm told the previous owner of this large box had used it as a coffee table
in Manhattan.
> 2632) Without other views, I don't know.
>
> I suspect that there is a center hole in the right-hand end and
> a plunger which would push out something from the center hole
> when the handles ase squeezed.
>
> Really -- other views, including the end of the tube, and
> details of the handle pivots would make this a lot easier.
Someone had taken just one photo of this tool over ten years ago, so I can't
get more pictures at this time. This device and the large box are still
mysteries for now, the rest of the answers can be seen here:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2012/08/set-453.html#answers
On 8/10/12 4:25 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>
> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On 08/09/2012 04:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> Today's set of items has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>
>>
>> #2629 appears to have started life as a shipping crate for some heavy
>> piece of machinery. Something round with a heavy duty shaft on either
>> end.
>>
>> Someone then decorated the sturdy box for who knows what.
>>
>> John
>
>
> I'm told the previous owner of this large box had used it as a coffee
> table in Manhattan.
A lot of Manhattan apartments are in converted factories. With the
wheels, the box looks about three feet high. A maintenance man may have
adapted it as a combination scaffold and tool chest. The sideboards
appear to be a foot off the floor. They would help a worker step onto
the box and serve as foot rests if he used the box as a high seat.
The slots suggest it was made for something with a shaft. The doors
suggest that the shaft was removed before they were closed. That sounds
like a beam for a loom.
Patterson, the world's silk capital, was 20 miles away. For cotton and
wool, the world's biggest mill complex was 150 miles up the Hudson. An
apparel manufacturer might pay top dollar for a single roll of cloth
woven to his specifications on a quick turnaround. A mill might not
even accept an order for one roll.
I see a market for small weave shops in Manhattan. A mill would gladly
wind beams for them as they would not be competing for large orders. A
weaver would keep several beams of different color patterns on hand. At
the mill, the 836 may have told a foreman what pattern was to be wound
on the beam. The D may have told him what weave shop it was to be
shipped to. At the weave shop, the weaver would want to know which end
of the beam was which so that the box could be properly positioned at
the loom before it was opened. The H door may have identified the head
end of the beam.
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> On 8/10/12 11:51 AM, J Burns wrote:
>> On 8/9/12 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> Today's set of items has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> 2569: If the shaft would fit within the end doors, why have open ends at
>> all? Why not make the box 2" longer?
>>
>> I think it was for a spool that was handled by a shaft, which was
>> withdrawn for shipment. It makes me think of beams in textiles. A beam
>> might be wound with 1500 threads for the woof. They might have a
>> particular color pattern. Beams would be wound in one department, then
>> transported to looms. I don't remember how they were lifted, but it
>> would have been disastrous for a machine to grab one around the threads.
>>
>> So, if you have to ship or store a wound beam, you lift it by the shaft
>> into the box, then withdraw the shaft. Mice would love to chew up yarns
>> to get nesting material. Hence the doors.
>
> http://2.imimg.com/data2/KI/ST/MY-3731351/weavers-beam-500x500.jpg
>
> Here's the sort of beam I have in mind. If a textile mill has a few looms
> ten miles from the main plant, it will want to truck wound beams without
> messing up the threads.
>
> If the box was for a beam like this, the notches would be to fit the hubs,
> but I think the open ends were to insert and withdraw a shaft used to
> hoist it.
Sounds plausible, didn't find anything though when I did a quick search. I
thought the D in the black rectangle might be a logo I could find on the web
but no luck with that either.
J Burns wrote the following on 8/10/2012 3:24 PM (ET):
> On 8/10/12 11:51 AM, J Burns wrote:
>> On 8/9/12 4:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> Today's set of items has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>> 2569: If the shaft would fit within the end doors, why have open ends at
>> all? Why not make the box 2" longer?
>>
>> I think it was for a spool that was handled by a shaft, which was
>> withdrawn for shipment. It makes me think of beams in textiles. A beam
>> might be wound with 1500 threads for the woof. They might have a
>> particular color pattern. Beams would be wound in one department, then
>> transported to looms. I don't remember how they were lifted, but it
>> would have been disastrous for a machine to grab one around the threads.
>>
>> So, if you have to ship or store a wound beam, you lift it by the shaft
>> into the box, then withdraw the shaft. Mice would love to chew up yarns
>> to get nesting material. Hence the doors.
>
> http://2.imimg.com/data2/KI/ST/MY-3731351/weavers-beam-500x500.jpg
>
> Here's the sort of beam I have in mind. If a textile mill has a few
> looms ten miles from the main plant, it will want to truck wound beams
> without messing up the threads.
>
> If the box was for a beam like this, the notches would be to fit the
> hubs, but I think the open ends were to insert and withdraw a shaft used
> to hoist it.
Then what's the purpose of the doors on each end that can only be
removed if the top is removed first?
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote the following on 8/12/2012 10:58 AM (ET):
> willshak <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:k08g16$gps$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>> Then what's the purpose of the doors on each end that can only be
>> removed if the top is removed first?
>
> Think about it. IF it was used to hold a beam, they'd want to close it
> up entirely during shipment to keep trash, vermin, etc., out.
>
> At the receiving end, they'd remove the top and the doors, then insert
> the lift spike in through the ends (doors). They have to be there,
> because the center of the 'spool' (beam) is below the top of the crate.
>
> Insert spike, lift beam out of the box. Re-install doors, re-install
> top, ship empty back to the mill again. There, they remove the top and
> doors, lift a beam back into the box, remove spike, reinstall doors and
> lid, then ship.
>
>
> LLoyd
Yeah maybe, but the box doors seem too elaborate for that simple
process. When I first saw the box, I thought it was a magicians prop for
the famous 'cutting a woman in half' trick, but there's no saw slot in
the sides. :-)
It may be that this box started out as something very simply made, but
was customized more than once for other purposes. Like why is the
interior painted black?
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On 2012-08-09, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Today's set of items has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
2629) Purely a guess, but I suspect it is for some form of
airborne ordinance -- probably mounted on a central pole
under the wing. The two openable ports at the end would allow
it to be slid onto the pole and then the box lowered from under
the ordinance. (Probably a rocket of some sort, and maybe after
it is mounted on the pole, a guidance system will be inserted in
the nose.
2630) No guess at all.
2631) It looks as though the drawer shown could hold paper money in the
back compartments, and coins in the front ones. The curved
front of the front compartments makes it easy to scoop out
coins.
When the central drawer is locked, does it also lock the other
drawers?
If it were not for the compartments in the shown drawers, I
would think that it would make an excellent machinist's
toolchest.
2632) Without other views, I don't know.
I suspect that there is a center hole in the right-hand end and
a plunger which would push out something from the center hole
when the handles ase squeezed.
Really -- other views, including the end of the tube, and
details of the handle pivots would make this a lot easier.
2633) Assuming that the darker wood is the only part being asked
about and it is just sitting freely on the lighter wood, I think
that this could be used as a shoeshine box with the heel of the
shoe resting behind the cross-bar on top center.
2634) This looks like a template for trimming the end of 16mm movie
film. Just a guess, though.
Now to post and then see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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Mike Marlow wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> >
> > Todays bombs, yes. The dummy bombs that were used on the local
> > range would drop right in a box like that. There weren't any smart
> > bombs in the '40s.
>
> Just does not seem that there would be any need to house a bomb in a
> container - even back then.
How do you get them from the factory to the battlezone? Would you
want to be on a ship with them rolling around in the hold, while the
ship is rocked in rough waters?
You can't use bubblewrap. :)